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Posted by: Golfzilla, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 7:14pm
Blessings to all from Golfzilla!

As a testimony for those who do not know me I have been on the BT/GT/Swami program for three years now @ 90+% compliance. Was able to get off Lipitor, Paxil, Nexium, and lost 20 pounds (and have kept it off!) all within six months of adopting this lifestyle (woot) I stop in from time to time to wish find all my BT friends well!

I have returned this time to seek advice... While on a golf trip of recent I had an attack of kidney stones, ouch(dissappointed) Unfortunately this is not the first time, but this was the first this has occured since my lifestyle change to BTD/GTD/Swami. I need to pass this stone; be careful what I wish for right?

I have checked the protocols and saw the urinary tract advice. I am taking oil of oregano to keep the possibility of an infection in check as I am passing a fair amount of blood as the stone is moving through and obviously I am drinking as much water as I am able to choke down.

Any thoughts from the experienced would be much appreciated!

BTW, for the golfers out there - I got my second hole in one this past spring and shot my lowest score (74) this year - whoo hoo!

Cheers from Golfzilla!
Posted by: Tom Martens, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 9:17pm; Reply: 1
I have one as we speak.  It has moved into my bladder and now I have no symptoms.
I am hypothesizing that I have been eating too much protein which is one of several causes of kidney stones.

I can't give you any advice except to drink plenty of fluids  ;)
Posted by: Damon, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 10:13pm; Reply: 2
Do you know if you're dealing with uric acid stones or calcium stones? If they are uric acid stones, then supplementing malic acid should help a lot.
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 11:02pm; Reply: 3
There was a long thread on them a while ago by Policychecker.
Welcome back Golf and congrats on your second hole in one.  I'm still playing on the small par 3.  Maybe I'll graduate next year...lol.  I've had 2 hole in ones there on holes that are very short, 70 or 80 yards.  I'm usually thrilled to just get a couple of pars.
Hope you feel better soon. I've heard that it's very painful.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 12:40am; Reply: 4
Quoted from the BTD Encyclopedia, pg. 342
Reduce your intake of oxalate from food as a way to reduce urinary oxalate.  Although many foods contain oxalate, only a few appear to increase urinary oxalate.  These foods are spinach, rhubarb, beet greens, nuts, chocolate, tea, bran, almonds, peanuts, and strawberries.


Urinary Tract Protocol is the only other recommendation.
Posted by: md, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 12:56am; Reply: 5
This seems to be a time of year when kidney stones make their presence. My husband had them several years ago, and that's what he was told by a nurse.

My husband used to work with a Korean woman; and she told him that, in Korea, patients are told to go home and drink beer until the stone(s) pass.

An accupuncturist told my husband that he could've caused them to break apart by his treatment---he didn't try it, so we don't know if it would work)

The following is what was prescribed by our nutrition advisor for my husband's stones.
1 gallon of water a day (can be part cleaver's tea)
Pyridoxal 5 phosphate
Magnesium citrate with B6 (this, he was supposed to take for the rest of his life to prevent them from returning)
Potassium citrate (3 times a day, 3 hours apart---1 then 3 hours a 2nd one, then three hours later take the 3rd one with 1 pyridoxal 5 phosphate)

Note: Our youngest son's coworker also had kidney stones recently.

Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 1:53am; Reply: 6
Hello Golf!  :D

https://mall.ppcserver.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=healing&Product_Code=499V&Category_Code=007

Phyllanthus Niruri or Chanca Piedra (Breakstone)


  Chanca Piedra is a composite name, "chanca" meaning "to break" in Quechua and "piedra" meaning "stone" in Spanish.
   Chanca Piedra got its name because one of the outstanding qualities of this herb, according to Peruvians is to break up and expel both kidney stones and gall stones. It is believed to help stimulate the production of bile and to promote healthy liver and gall bladder function. It is also traditionally used to clear obstruction throughout the various internal organs of the body by promoting the elimination of mucous and stones.


http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-s/2.htm
http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-Kidney-Support-4oz-p/bkrx4.htm
http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-Kidney-Bladder-Support-Veg-Caps-p/bkrvc120.htm

This herb may also be sold in one form or another at a good natural food store or found at various other sites on the internet.

I have also heard of people using unsweetened lemon juice in water, drunk throughout the day.  I don't know the quantities, but perhaps it is an idea you could research some more.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 10:30am; Reply: 7
I think my thread was perhaps on gallstones. anyway the following might help but be aware it is not blood type specific so I would adjust it and personally I use Dr D's supps when and wherever I can.

also note that a lot of protocols don't take into account that people have diabetes for example when they recommend juice cleanses etc so be careful and check everything.

http://curezone.org/cleanse/kidney/default.asp
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:51pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Tom Martens
I have one as we speak.  It has moved into my bladder and now I have no symptoms.
I am hypothesizing that I have been eating too much protein which is one of several causes of kidney stones.

I can't give you any advice except to drink plenty of fluids  ;)


Thanks Tom, hope yours passes easily for you too!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:54pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Damon
Do you know if you're dealing with uric acid stones or calcium stones? If they are uric acid stones, then supplementing malic acid should help a lot.


Damon, I will have it analyzed once I pass it then I will know for sure.
Cheers!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:55pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Jane
There was a long thread on them a while ago by Policychecker.
Welcome back Golf and congrats on your second hole in one.  I'm still playing on the small par 3.  Maybe I'll graduate next year...lol.  I've had 2 hole in ones there on holes that are very short, 70 or 80 yards.  I'm usually thrilled to just get a couple of pars.
Hope you feel better soon. I've heard that it's very painful.


Jane, keep those pars coming! I found the thread, much appreciated!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:58pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ABJoe


Urinary Tract Protocol is the only other recommendation.


Thanks ABJ, I chased this info last night and surfaced a ton of info.
Cheers!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 6:13pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from md
This seems to be a time of year when kidney stones make their presence. My husband had them several years ago, and that's what he was told by a nurse.

My husband used to work with a Korean woman; and she told him that, in Korea, patients are told to go home and drink beer until the stone(s) pass.

An accupuncturist told my husband that he could've caused them to break apart by his treatment---he didn't try it, so we don't know if it would work)

The following is what was prescribed by our nutrition advisor for my husband's stones.
1 gallon of water a day (can be part cleaver's tea)
Pyridoxal 5 phosphate
Magnesium citrate with B6 (this, he was supposed to take for the rest of his life to prevent them from returning)
Potassium citrate (3 times a day, 3 hours apart---1 then 3 hours a 2nd one, then three hours later take the 3rd one with 1 pyridoxal 5 phosphate)

Note: Our youngest son's coworker also had kidney stones recently.



md, interesting about the time of year notation. I like the beer pescription but Lola told me several years ago I couldn't drink it any more ;)  Plus I'd have to fire myself if I showed up at work drunk
(dance)
I am familiar with the mag & b6, will check out the balance of the equasion, thank you!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, October 18, 2012, 6:25pm; Reply: 13
Anyone and I mean anyone who gets kidney stones gets them for one reason. You are dehydrated and not drinking enough water.  64 oz a day.

I'm trying to gag down 48 oz a day. I come from a family of non water drinkers and my father got kidney stones.  My sister hates water and just drinks coffee.. She got kidney stones...I gag down the water. I don't get kidney stones. Such a very simple cure and prevention. really.
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 6:29pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Victoria
Hello Golf!  :D

https://mall.ppcserver.net/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=healing&Product_Code=499V&Category_Code=007

Phyllanthus Niruri or Chanca Piedra (Breakstone)


  Chanca Piedra is a composite name, "chanca" meaning "to break" in Quechua and "piedra" meaning "stone" in Spanish.
   Chanca Piedra got its name because one of the outstanding qualities of this herb, according to Peruvians is to break up and expel both kidney stones and gall stones. It is believed to help stimulate the production of bile and to promote healthy liver and gall bladder function. It is also traditionally used to clear obstruction throughout the various internal organs of the body by promoting the elimination of mucous and stones.


http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-s/2.htm
http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-Kidney-Support-4oz-p/bkrx4.htm
http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Break-Stone-Kidney-Bladder-Support-Veg-Caps-p/bkrvc120.htm

This herb may also be sold in one form or another at a good natural food store or found at various other sites on the internet.

I have also heard of people using unsweetened lemon juice in water, drunk throughout the day.  I don't know the quantities, but perhaps it is an idea you could research some more.


V, I knew all I had to do was reach out and you would be there :K)
The info on the Break Stone tea is fascinating! I will get this ordered tonight and will keep you posted as to results. I began drinking warm water with fresh squeezed lemon juice as soon as I felt the first tingle of the stone moving towards its destination.
I do hope you have been well and your life is good!
Cheers!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 6:32pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from 815
Anyone and I mean anyone who gets kidney stones gets them for one reason. You are dehydrated and not drinking enough water.  64 oz a day.

I'm trying to gag down 48 oz a day. I come from a family of non water drinkers and my father got kidney stones.  My sister hates water and just drinks coffee.. She got kidney stones...I gag down the water. I don't get kidney stones. Such a very simple cure and prevention. really.


I am willing to do whatever it takes, this is the most painful issue I have ever experienced :-/
Thanks for the confirmation as I have read this in several references...
Cheers!
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 11:51pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Golfzilla
... this is the most painful issue I have ever experienced :-/

This about sums up the kidney stone issue...  I've only had a very small one, but it was enough to let me know that I didn't want another...
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 11:56pm; Reply: 17
Warmest wishes for an "easy passage" and hope you know how great it is to see you around these parts.  (hehe)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 19, 2012, 6:32am; Reply: 18
get well soon

are you following a swami?

which dairy options do you get?

the wrong dairy causes stone formations......

have you done liver cleanses?
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, October 19, 2012, 6:52am; Reply: 19
thanx Victoria for your input :K) and yep fine to see ya Gz ;) ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)

btw justamente found out a super programm and stuff called MAP -this isn't producing any harm but still is 100% amino's.....all is held in german language but I'll might do the translation for you- if needed and wanted ;) ;D....
Posted by: Golfzilla, Friday, October 19, 2012, 1:42pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from ABJoe

This about sums up the kidney stone issue...  I've only had a very small one, but it was enough to let me know that I didn't want another...


Yeah, I suspect the issue in size is physically being able to pass it... I can't wait (pray)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Friday, October 19, 2012, 1:45pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Victoria
Warmest wishes for an "easy passage" and hope you know how great it is to see you around these parts.  (hehe)


Thx V, it's always good to come home and be with those whom one cares for ;)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Friday, October 19, 2012, 1:58pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Lola
get well soon

are you following a swami?

which dairy options do you get?

the wrong dairy causes stone formations......

have you done liver cleanses?


Lola! I was so hoping you would weigh in...
Yes still onboard with my brother the Swami~
Dairy is extremely limited to cheese in small amounts - manchego(sp?) the best cheese I ever ate! & Romano~
Liver clense about six months(?) ago~

Is it possible this is genetic as I have passed several over the years. I must say I have not enjoyed this one any more than the others, and it makes me appreciate what my Mom went through to give me life  :)

I hope you are well and your practice is thriving!
Cheers from Atlanta!

(woot)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, October 19, 2012, 2:19pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Golfzilla


I am willing to do whatever it takes, this is the most painful issue I have ever experienced :-/
Thanks for the confirmation as I have read this in several references...
Cheers!


At least you're willing to add water.. my sister is so stubborn. Just start carrying a bottle of water around with you at all times and keep taking sips. That's what I do. I can easily go all day without drinking.. I would find myself somwhere and suddenly I feel thirsty...I have my water with me and I just start drinking! :) I have to constantly police myself.  I buy the 20 oz bottles of spring water. Drink 2 of those a day plus ice tea and you're done.   I count ice tea as water, because I drink it very diluted.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, October 19, 2012, 10:24pm; Reply: 24
Lots of good advice on this thread....
Our urologist friend (who has treated friends of ours) often recommends beer/lemonade along with water and cranberry juice for kidney stones.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 6:22am; Reply: 25
cheers back Golf!! :K)
Posted by: Jennihul, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 11:22pm; Reply: 26
I use UriFlow caps and another product called "Stone Breaker"

UriFlow is on the web about $40 a bottle and the Stone Breaker drops I got at Whole Foods, about $11...

I find them very effective. There will be no passing of any kidney stones here. Too much scarring and damage. I'd rather dissolve them.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 12:32am; Reply: 27
The chanca piedra I gave Golfzilla a couple of links to is also called Stone Breaker.  Is it the same?
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 12:57am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Victoria
The chanca piedra I gave Golfzilla a couple of links to is also called Stone Breaker.  Is it the same?

I believe it is...  I know we have a bottle of it somewhere...

Another product we have used - which is more for keeping from developing stones, rather than dealing with active ones, is Stone Free by Planetary Herbals.
http://www.planetaryherbals.com/products/GP1550/
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 1:57am; Reply: 29
Make sure you get extra magnesium. It is cheap & really works to balance the calcium.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, October 21, 2012, 1:38pm; Reply: 30
Well you can add my stubborn B son to the kidney stone list.  ::)  We had an arguement last night over water and he says he hates water and won't drink it.  My little O son is a water and liquid lover...Maybe he can talk some sense into him
Posted by: Golfzilla, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 9:57pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Amazone I.
thanx Victoria for your input :K) and yep fine to see ya Gz ;) ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)

btw justamente found out a super programm and stuff called MAP -this isn't producing any harm but still is 100% amino's.....all is held in german language but I'll might do the translation for you- if needed and wanted ;) ;D....


Thanks, that would be very interesting!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 10:01pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from ABJoe

I believe it is...  I know we have a bottle of it somewhere...

Another product we have used - which is more for keeping from developing stones, rather than dealing with active ones, is Stone Free by Planetary Herbals.
http://www.planetaryherbals.com/products/GP1550/


Thanks ABJ, I check this out just as soon as I get this one resolved.
Cheers!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, October 22, 2012, 3:36am; Reply: 33
I think that Stone Breaker also helped me with a gallstone. http://www.amazon.com/The-Liver-Gallbladder-Miracle-Cleanse/dp/1569756066/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350876639&sr=8-1&keywords=gallbladder+cleanse

And magnesium, very interesting, http://www.mgwater.com/rod16.shtml
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 22, 2012, 5:48am; Reply: 34
Quoted Text
Dr D
the only people who do go on to form stones have metabolic syndrome

http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=5

a low table-salt, high-potassium diet can probably save you a

lot of misery

the book "Magnesium Miracle" states that kidney stones are not from too much calcium but from a lack of magnesium.  It says that magnesium keeps calcium from depositing in areas where it can cause trouble.

Glucosamine Sulfate can help reduce urinary oxalate levels, thus decreasing the likelihood of kidney stones. check out the deflect formula
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, October 27, 2012, 5:09pm; Reply: 35
Hey there Golfzilla, I've been wondering how things are going with you.  (happy_gangsta)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Saturday, October 27, 2012, 11:27pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Victoria
Hey there Golfzilla, I've been wondering how things are going with you.  (happy_gangsta)


Hi V! Have been taking the"Break Stone" since this past Monday, lemon & water, extra mag, and sipping on water through out the day. Anxiously awaiting results.
Thanks for the  good thoughts, I know you are out there for me:-)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, October 27, 2012, 11:32pm; Reply: 37
Are you still in pain?
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, October 29, 2012, 6:54pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Victoria
Are you still in pain?


V, fortunately the pain has passed ;D I am assuming/hoping the stone has flushed into my bladder due to there seemingly is no obstruction with relieving my bladder. Now it's a waiting game, hoping the Phyllanthus Niruri (Chanca Piedra) for those who would like to take note, will indeed brake the stone up or begin to disolve it which will enable it to pass. So excuse me while I go get another glass of water ;)

Cheers my friend!
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 29, 2012, 7:13pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Golfzilla


V, fortunately the pain has passed ;D I am assuming/hoping the stone has flushed into my bladder due to there seemingly is no obstruction with relieving my bladder. Now it's a waiting game, hoping the Phyllanthus Niruri (Chanca Piedra) for those who would like to take note, will indeed brake the stone up or begin to disolve it which will enable it to pass. So excuse me while I go get another glass of water ;)

Cheers my friend!


Sounds like a plan!  ;)  Please keep up updated.
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