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Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:14am
I was reminded of my blood test results this week. I never went back to discuss them with my Dr as he did not seem too concerned and I can't really afford it. I've had all these symptoms for so long that I've learned to ignore them until they make me aware again. I have chronic fatigue. The diet has helped and avoiding certain foods helps so much but theres always this feeling that something is wrong with me and I'm not sure how to tackle it. My syptoms are so similar to anemia but that seems incorrect for my numbers. My blood test results showed high RBC and Hemoglobin. Looking over it again I noticed HCT is just barely below the limit so that looks high to me as well. This is what I've found in the forums: Polycythemia and hypoxia stick out to me. I have always felt like I can't get enough oxygen. I would like to learn more about this. Can diet really help this? I do have swami but I haven't followed the portions like I should. I only get red meat 3x a week, poultry 2x a week, and fish 5x a week. This means I would be eating lots of fish and some vegetarian meals. I almost always have meat for lunch and dinner. Often red meat. Trying to change habits. I'm unable to exercise, since I'm so fatigued already. I could stand to gain a little weight too in my opinion. I'm so tired of feeling tired. Sorry everyone I know this is many topics, just been one of those days. I appreciate any discussion.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:17am; Reply: 1
One more thought, there are no boxes to check in swami for polycythemia. You can check high platelets, low White blood cells, etc. I wish I could add this in.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:36am; Reply: 2
Diet helps the entire body, so diet will help whatever is your problem - whether it provides enough help rapidly enough are the only questions regarding do you need other intervention.

How is your digestion?

Is your liver functioning well to eliminate toxins from the body?

These were the biggest challenges I had to overcome.  Digestion entails liver, pancreas, and the normal stomach/intestines/etc...  Actually, lymph drainage also enters in here, as if/when the lymph backs up, then drains all at once, it can be a huge damper on digestion - if you are cleaning "junks" out of the body.  

It can take time to get all of this kind of working all together again, so don't get too frustrated if it doesn't all happen at once.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:42am; Reply: 3
My digestion seems to be fine 90% of the time. Liver, I really have no idea. How can you tell with these things?
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:48am; Reply: 4
I "played" with the liver cleanse foods and castor oil pack and realized that the more I did, the better I felt.

Lymph is more difficult, but rebounding is great for moving lymph and when I started doing it (or just exercising my arms to move the chest muscles, etc.), I dumped major junk out and had to work to get the gut back in order...  

Hope this helps some...
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:40am; Reply: 5
Might want to get an infared sauna.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:52pm; Reply: 6
I think you ought to NOT stick with SWAMI portions as you wish to gain weight..

I would change to all Beneficial  for fullness and Super/ Diamonds as medicine. For me 'neutrals' eat with caution.. some are a drag on my strength.

I was exhausted to the point of not wanting to breath.. my oxy levels are low 90 nearly always.. I deep sye breath all the time.. but I feel stronger every day.. on the diet for seems soon 20 years..

Doctors and their test are good measures but healing health comes from what we take in..

Even if you had a label .. I had near all of them,, they only point in a direction, food points in the direction of fixing the label.. LONG TERM..

Keep up looking for small answers.. and re-reading all the books and learn from the tidbits in between the lines..  

all the best.. YOU are here, that counts for 90% ..

Do you have a juicer?  Make green leaf juices and drink (no need for pleasure) two three times a day.. including dandelion leaves,, all organic is a must.. or at least cut off the first section liberally- it is where the toxins might be stored ..  wash well ..

and exercise not as exercise but as walking to and fro.. as often as you can get a few steps in.. in time it will get easier.. also feel how you 'drag' out of a chair.. are you pushing with your arms or using leg muscles.. by folding your arms across and then getting up.. lifting your leg one at a time 1-2 inches of the floor and holding is a good thing for everyone.. especially weak people..

drinking teas, or green teas with 'caffeine' .. eat berries, and for muscle pain .. look for magnesium and or manganese foods.. less sugary fruits, maybe more beans in small portions every meal.. ..

Actually what else is going on with you???    
Posted by: amyflood, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 12:59pm; Reply: 7
The Deflect has helped me tremendously with fatigue. At first i felt worse, kinda flu-like, but by the end of the second bottle, i was feeling really good. it is kinda expensive, so i would only take 2 per day. If you can afford it, you should take the recommended 4 per day and you may see positive results quicker than i did. good luck. this chronic fatigue has plagued me for a long time too and is what led me to this diet. i've also found that staying off wheat, corn and coffee has helped a lot too. good luck.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 1:22pm; Reply: 8
Deflect, catechol and Methyl 12 plus. as per fatigue, stress protocol plus a low lectin diet. will help a great deal.

also short term solutions like soaking in a Epsom salts bath for 20 mins, no more initially and only one cup of Epsom salts. Google it it works a treat.

get to bed by 10 pm and get up at 6 am
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 2:31pm; Reply: 9
Did you get Vitamin D levels checked?
Also realized from another thread that D NEEDS magnesium to metabolize. 80% are deficient in magnesium and no easy test (what they do doesn't work).

Several blood tests nutrients will show normal because the body will steal from itself to make the blood normal. By the time you show on a test, it is super severe- plus ranges are just a mid band of people's average-- not comparative to YOU. Listen to your body.

Google Vitamin D Council

Posted by: D.L., Thursday, October 11, 2012, 2:52pm; Reply: 10
There is a blood test that will tell you if your liver enzymes are elevated. What about your thyroid?
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 6:17pm; Reply: 11
You might want to also check out Gluten intolerance/celiac as that can throw off your lab numbers and mess with different parts of the body. I say this from personal experience.
Wheat which has most of the gluten protein has been so re-engineered a lot since the 1960's.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:49pm; Reply: 12
ABjoe- I do need to do the liver cleanse. I have a feeling mine needs some help.
Goldie- Your advice really hits home for me..I need to gain maybe 5lbs at the most. Note much but that's a lot for me. I'm 5'1 and have been 104lbs for quite some time. The most I have been was 115 so around 108 feels right to me. It'd be nice to gain muscle but that is hard when I can't exercise. I actually have a good core, I used to work my abs often even though I couldn't do much else. I store fat in my legs, hips, and chest. Everywhere else is skinny, collarbones, hipbones, etc stick out. I will try eating mostly only bennies and diamonds and see if that helps my energy. Try the portions as a guideline. What is psye breathing? Do have a juicer, have to see if it still works. I walk a little every day. I have the energy to walk quite a way but too much and my inner thighs and hips are sore. What did you mean by what else is going on? Do you have time to hear that? Heh. There is a lot going on.
Amy and Policy- I still have deflect and am going to start taking it again. I only used it when I ate something bad (in town with not much choice to eat) to try to block the lectins. I didn't think to take it with bennnies. I also have catechol that I've taken for bad moods. I checked it and the capsules have black spots in them. Cant remember if that is normal I'm afraid it's mold? Might try the epsom is that for detox. Bedtime is terrible right now. Going to bed at 3am getting up at noon give or take. I need 10hrs most of the time.
AK, DL, Lin- didn't have vit d checked. thyroid was fine. These results were 7mos ago so right now who knows. Can't afford another test yet. I might've been eating gluten at the time but I'm not now except for the rare slip up.

Thank you all for taking the time to answer. It means a lot.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:53pm; Reply: 13
If I stay on this diet for awhile eating mostly bennies and am still fatigued would that likely mean I'm a nonnie? I've checked the 2 swamis against each other and are mostly the same except some beneficials actually become avoids.
Posted by: tessieUK, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 8:26pm; Reply: 14
Rachel I also have chronic fatigue and have been following BT diet since around Feb 2010. (Althought the first 9 months were sort of easing in, I didn't switch to vegetable centred diet and organic until 6 months + after giving up avoids.) Also I didn't go grain free until about a year ago, actually before discovering I was a nonnie.

Although diet and nutrition play a very important role in health, on their own, they do not provide the full answer. M.E/chronic fatigue is a generic label, like all allopathic diagnosises, it does not mean very much, as you can have 10 different people, all with different causes to their fatigue symptoms. In my case the fatigue is not caused by physical/nutritional factors, so BT diet has not cured it. That is not to say that eating this way is not very beneficial in a broader sense to my overall health. I have no doubt if I ate a wheat and processed food based diet, my symptoms would be more severe. I think this is important to emphasize because assuming that energy levels are affected only by what you are (or aren't) eating can lead to negative thought patterns. E.g if you are having a bad day, you are trying to figure out what you have eaten 'wrong' and beating yourself up for it, when that is not the case.

I have had and am continuing to see excellent improvements and changes from a holistic treatment, which treats for disease in the emotional, genetic/inherited predispositions and up to the soul/spiritual level as well as all physical factors including diet, hydration, sleep and exercise. If you would like to know more about it, I would be happy to PM you info and links.      
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Thursday, October 11, 2012, 8:49pm; Reply: 15
Tessie- I've wondered if it isn't a mental thing as well. Avoids make it worse but I'm sure my old depression played a part in it. Sometimes when I am overwhelmed I curl up in bed, close my eyes, and just think. Try and shut out the world. I never go to sleep though because for some reason that makes me feel terrible physically if I nap in the middle of the day. I just want to sleep and sleep if that happens. It'll be interesting to see if my "winter depression" comes more from winter or from avoids.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:04pm; Reply: 16
Avoids will depress you, avoids will make you tired, avoids are depression as is DESSERTS spelled backward is stressed!!!

as far as I am concerned all else is window dressing..

Sugar for O's and sugar for nonnies all are depressants..

the only time you feel a difference if ever you have been really hard lined about staying with B or D's.. the difference s suddenly are clear.. suddenly that feeling of blueness is no more..

Eat grains and the feeling for more junk comes back to .. in no time..

AS for beating your self up.. NO WAY.. you are allowed in my thinking to cheat 5%!! so make up your mind to try it and see how two or three days makes you feel.. I bet you will be able to tell a difference..

but remember for every item you give up, replace it with something of equal value..

love you more then you love all else..

be good to you.. no guilt..

even junk and avoids are needed to remind us of how bad life could be or would be..

all the best..  8)

Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, October 12, 2012, 2:03pm; Reply: 17
Winter depression--- vitamin D3.

I had what I thought was SAD before my first visit to a chiropractor. I was crying for no reason and depressed for 3-4 weeks.

He adjusted my neck and I started laughing hysterically, there was such a rush (apparently of blocked chemicals and/or nerves) and I never felt that way since. 5-6 years ago. Praise God. It was a fluke that we went.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, October 12, 2012, 2:22pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from 16796
I have always felt like I can't get enough oxygen. .

Perhaps Oxycise can help you.
Very gentle stretching with deep breathing developed by Jill Johnson back in the 80's  :)

Also D-Ribose powder is highly recommended to help increase energy.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, October 12, 2012, 9:35pm; Reply: 19
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:05pm; Reply: 20
I've decided to make a fresh start. I've been using my swami as a guide but was eating some avoid fruits and veggies. Starting tomorrow I'm going to try at least a week of 100% compliance if possible and try to eat almost everything from the beneficials. I still have 40 supplements each of deflect and polyflora so I'll be taking some of those to help my gut. I want to do the Explorer cleanse but it says to eat light foods throughout the day. It seems this means vegetarian and I'm afraid I'd be hungry all day. Would it still benefit me if I eat as normal? Could I do it more often than once a month? There is also the question of exercise. I really can't handle much. We have a vast amount of woods on our property. They are filled with hills. Maybe a daily walk in there would help me. So far today I've had 2 eggs, sauteed spinach and turnip greens with garlic, and 1 homemade dinner roll. I've been having greens almost every day and I think its helping. Thanks everyone for all the advice.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:09pm; Reply: 21
Any exercise is better than none. I see my SWAMI exercise recommendations as something I want to work up to, not something I can just start doing right away. SWAMI says to walk 2 miles a day or aerobics for 40 minutes, 6 days a week. Some days I can only handle about a 10 minute walk.

If I do that regularly I can work my way up to slightly longer walks, and the next week I aim for about 20 minutes per day. There are always individual days when I can only go for a few minutes or can't handle it at all, which is why I have weekly goals, not daily ones. I may need a whole day off if I manage a really long walk one day before my body is quite ready.

Keep that up long enough and I'll be up to the recommended 40 minutes a day, 6 days a week, but so far I haven't been consistent enough.
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