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Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, October 6, 2012, 12:45pm
The word stress is used so overall.. but what is stress .. is it a body reaction, a glandular reaction, is it from lack of nutrients, is it from the body being weak in some area?

Is it that we create stress for us or the body puts us in stress?

Could we avoid stress?  are we avoiding stress on the body by eating BTD.. is that enough..

Do we even know how we stress the body.. is mind stress different?

Can we stop stress or just make it less aggravating?

Do we know when we are in stress and or the body is in stress?

Lets say hives or itching, is that a stress?  'coughing' is it a stress? loneliness, is it stress ?

Waking up happy- is it stress free?  Going to a wedding is it stress.  Dancing a stress?
4 wheeling a stress?  Watching horror movies ? Happy or sad movies?

If the car gets old, or bills are not filed away, is that stress?  is stress a time thing? certain stress for certain time of day- liver or pancreas? or brain?? which part of the brain for what type of stress?

IS RESPONDING to a stressor- stress also?  Is stress healthy? Is stress life or living?  

Always or only some times?

Seriously: is stress a body thing or a mental thing? what are better words then stress?

stressed spells desserts - backward.. does our body or mind or the eyes know that and interpret it as a defense or offense??  


If this where a poem, or a mantra, what would be the ending?
Posted by: Averno, Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:40pm; Reply: 1
Good questions, Goldie.

In the end, the answer is a holistic one. The means to that end...?
Posted by: Damon, Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:47pm; Reply: 2
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Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:51pm; Reply: 3
I could link you to dozens of articles that would answer your questions....TO sum it up in a nutshell,
stress like all energy begins with thoughts and feelings that create either smooth flowing energy
or blocks in the body.  A stressor of any kind, good or bad has an effect on the body...and it could
either cause or help manage a disease process.....  I think you already know this....already
know a lot about stress and how it affects individual physiology.  Just think this subject is so huge and encompasses so many various other subjects like meditation, deep breathing, eating well, exercise, belief, placebo, that I can't even begin to figure out where to focus.  All your questions feel stressful
just reading them because I felt a level of hyperkinetic energy that made me want to not even try
and answer at all....  LOL if you really want to frame your own truth and answer so many questions, it's as simple as googling stress and reading the bazillions of articles out there and all the articles Dr. D wrote that support
his stress relieving protocols. I'm sure you know about cortisol and the products that help manage high levels.

I feel as if you asked "what is the meaning of life?"

Are you testing us?  Or do you really not know much about this subject?

I now need to do some deep alternate nostril breathing and then go meditate.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, October 7, 2012, 10:10am; Reply: 4
I'd explain it likewise: ther's  so called *disstress* which causes disharmony in all levels-body-mind-and soul (burnout...later.. :-/) and ther's so called *eu-stress* which creates also a stress-situation but merely in a benefique manner ;) ;D...ahem
yesssss.... :D(smarty)(whistle)(shrug)
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, October 7, 2012, 10:48am; Reply: 5
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I feel as if you asked "what is the meaning of life?".....



Isa..... I think you nailed it..

THE word Stress might be overused.. Maybe it is the stand-in for DE-stress, while stress may be a good thing..

Exercising, is stress for me.. while it may be a good thing to de-stress the body, while the mind is actually doing a 180.. Getting up to exercise in any form or place, is already 90% winning, since it is creating movement, always a good thing within itself ....

I wonder if calling something as a stress and the good results destress would make a difference? Either interpretation could also be of opposite meaning? Like the chicken or the egg... ;D

The WONDER of all meaning of life, is only in the things that work, even without knowing the how or why, yet all questions become a complete whole (only) as soon as there is on answer to give UNDERSTANDING of a specific detail.

Words are so powerful.. In per-suing health,looking at what WORDS evoke within is key to peace or decision-making.  

Ckoe, Breathing is important...when contemplating ones naval for the meaning of words. 8)

Averno... YES!!!  

For today:  Stress is no longer stress once the de-stresser is found.. Mantra:  It is the pursuit of living that creates life.  Yarn it.. Is it opposite? ??)      
  






Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, October 7, 2012, 4:27pm; Reply: 6
I agree Isa explained it in a nutshell.  Someone who felt no stress would potentially put themselves in danger like a person who feels no pain.  We evolved with stress as a defense mechanism to be aware of an issue and to spur us on to resolve it.  The problem is in our modern society we are over stressed, which is bad for both our mental and physical health.  Our bodies are stress by the environment and unhealthy food.  Our minds are stressed with things like money issues and work pressures.  The hectic sports and social schedules of today’s children surpass what I grew up with.
  
But occasional stress is good.  “Oh no there is something wrong with my car, I better figure out a way to afford to fix it soon and where I should take it” vs. “Yes there’s a rumbling noise when I step on the brakes, so what, when they fail completely I’ll just junk the car.”
  
There’s a probably better example, but that’s an issue I’m dealing with today.  My added stress is I’m making more money but have less spending power every.  The contract I’ve been working on for the past 10 years is ending.  The new contract consolidates jobs.  One of them is mine.  For every Quality Engineer and Safety Engineer there will be one Risk Specialist.  Right now I don’t who will be chosen.  I’ve gone to 5 funerals in two months, only one was elderly, which is a different kind of emotional stress.  So Thursday when my mirror got clipped squeezing around a truck to turn left and I saw it hanging by its power cord, I broke out in a rash of little bumps on my face & throat.  It was the accumulated stress.  I may feel a bit down at moments, but I’m not depressed.  I’ve been in worse situations and handled it.  It’s the people who give in to their stress that get depressed.  I’m not talking about clinically depress people, that’s a medical condition.

OK that’s my 2 cents
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, October 7, 2012, 6:01pm; Reply: 7
:B(woot)(evil)(shhh)(goofy)
Posted by: Kumar, Monday, October 8, 2012, 10:42am; Reply: 8
Stress is what you (your mind and body) receives from the environment and the indicator is increase cortisol or adrenaline level in your blood! Strain is the impact of stress on your body. In the environment, the sources of stress could be mental as well as physical.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 8, 2012, 10:57am; Reply: 9
might be also called an overactive sympaticus/parasympaticus response.... :P(dizzy)(clown) all a question of body's capabilities to regulate itself......(smarty)(whistle)
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, October 8, 2012, 5:23pm; Reply: 10
Some stress is good, it helps things grow stronger.  Too little or too much is a bad thing.
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 5:51am; Reply: 11
Stress is evolution making us suffer the consequences of things we know are bad. If we were so tolerant of "stressful" things then we would of just died out all the time. As is, the people that responded in such a way that they gained incentive to fix the stress, survived.

Biologically it is a lot of chemical reactions and delays, a lot with hormones etc.
Posted by: wanthanee, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 6:24am; Reply: 12
http://stress.about.com/od/lowstresslifestyle/a/stress_relief.htm
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 11:17am; Reply: 13
Eustress: Stress that is healthy or gives one a feeling of fulfillment or other positive feelings

Eustress is a process of exploring potential gains

Distress: persistent stress that is not resolved through coping or adaptation

The most commonly-referred to type of stress, having negative implications

The body itself cannot distinguish between distress and eustress.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 12:48pm; Reply: 14
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The body itself cannot distinguish between distress and eustress.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustress    good reading..

I like this eustress .. a new word (for me) to wrap things( life) around it..

In life it often comes down to choosing the correct WORD in order to respond properly.. I am glad I 'found' this one: thanks to this illustrious group dynamics/education.

The above ref. to the car and breaks issues is a good one..

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might be also called an overactive sympaticus/parasympaticus response....  all a question of body's capabilities to regulate itself......
  also possible,

and possibly more:  starting in the brain.  INSTINCTIVE reacting.. like a dog who senses what is coming..  could we hone/train our 'instinct' capabilities (learn to) react positively to start with, before allowing it to turn negatively.     (-- taking the high road)

EUstress creates a different 'mental response mechanism' like one who uses the correct word.  Makes all the difference..

Could/ should we start a whole new way of looking at (converting when needed) all stress to eustress and thus differentiate how we reason and accomplish / overcome challenges.

(Dr. D. THANKS for adding the * for it lends itself to GREATER interest in any thread where you are present.  Wow you do read a lot.. THANKS) Thanks again!
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:10pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Dr. D
Eustress: Stress that is healthy or gives one a feeling of fulfillment or other positive feelings

Eustress is a process of exploring potential gains

Distress: persistent stress that is not resolved through coping or adaptation

The most commonly-referred to type of stress, having negative implications

The body itself cannot distinguish between distress and eustress.


Eustress can be mentally resolved quicker than distress a lot of the time. The body may not see the difference, but the repercussions of extended stress could interfere with sleep etc.

One might incur eustress, but one might more often be subject to distress.

Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 2:20pm; Reply: 16
Very interesting thread and gives us a lot to think about.  If we never experienced any stress, we'd never have anything to overcome and we'd stagnate....
Jane
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 9:03pm; Reply: 17
If am either excited in a pumped up positive way or a negative way I don't get tired and stay alert, like a switch does not turn off.  Don't fall asleep easily exercise or none, alcohol or none, but never use sleep pills when in this state.  Been this way since a kid.

I'm sort of in that state right now, getting a new job soon, a new house soon, lot of positive changes. Often don't fall asleep until 2 or later, and have to be at work for 8 for 12 hour shifts.  Still not a problem, but wanna knock out sooner!

When "normal" i knock out and sleep sound for 7 hours with no problems and get up ready to go.

I need to watch comedies before going to bed like the tips for the day recommends for explorers, that really does help me more than anything else.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, October 9, 2012, 9:22pm; Reply: 18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustress
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 1:48am; Reply: 19
Ok from another look at stress.. and distress and EUstress..

Some people get angry when stressed, others go to sleep pulling the covers over the head and ignore the whole thing, and another group wants to just (kill) the self..

So which of the three? why?  Where is the difference for those who get energized by stress?  why get energized, get up and go?   Is it hope or energy?  is it seeing the possibility with a way out?

Good teachers can make all the difference in the way a child looks at their future, maybe even go so far as changing a child's acceptance and view of life.   So what makes a teacher able to make such a big change?  Why do some children accept the teaching while others fight or give up completely.

Is a body/mind/chemistry predestined to react in certain ways?  deal with stress a certain way? or allow stress to beat them up?  Can a person change the way they see stress or deal with it.  What makes that momentous difference which will create a changed 'environment' ? Hormones /stress responding ones as ONE simple answer?

I had bosses that intimidated, and work was impossible. I had a teacher who pointed me in a direction I have followed purposefully ever since.... and still I wonder if I have a part of me that will look forever for another answer.. (For instance: another diet to drop weight).. and while I am doing that I feel optimistic and purposeful, but when I feel something a waste of time, I will prefer to shut down and go silent - until I find on answer I can live with. -- then it is again full speed ahead/// no later then the next full moon days.

............... so how does one activate the differences within?  

In England, they no longer prescribe anti-depressants .. they require talk therapy before medication.. are they on to something?  

I do (awake) hypno talking and it works to move those who participate in making  changes.  It is relatively easy, and accessible to most, is it changing a persons stress response enough to provide 'hope' that change is possible.  

IS Isa right!!!  ;D    Is EUstress 'response'... controllable?

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sympaticus/parasympaticus response....  


    
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Saturday, October 13, 2012, 9:37pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Dr. D
Eustress: Stress that is healthy or gives one a feeling of fulfillment or other positive feelings

Eustress is a process of exploring potential gains

Distress: persistent stress that is not resolved through coping or adaptation

The most commonly-referred to type of stress, having negative implications

The body itself cannot distinguish between distress and eustress.


This is very well put. The body generates the same hormones and chemicals either way. Stress is really just the body's response to a challenge, whether that challenge is perceived as good (eustress)or bad (distress) - fighting off a nasty dog, getting married, moving, starting a new job. The hormonal stress response is the same, whatever the situation. This response enables us to think clearly, act decisively and quickly, and heightens our senses - all valuable actions.

However, increased demands for the body to respond over a long period of time can deplete the ability to respond adequately, and the results become detrimental on all levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. Even long term eustress can deplete the resources.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, October 14, 2012, 8:59am; Reply: 21
of course the body can't see differences between those forms of stress coz the one is
merely somaticized and  eu-stress is merele a refelction of positive feelings and expectancies  ;) ;D...
and body reflects those merely as a recompensation-response.... :X ;D(whistle)(goofy)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 12:17pm; Reply: 22
are we so sure that all stress is seen as stress ?  could we not train the bod to see bad stress and good stress as different.. ONE way that was possible when I was younger..  a new relationship made weight LOSS easy.. so the bod does see stress or reacts to stress differently..

HORMONES.. how to activate them???
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