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Posted by: JJR, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 7:17pm
Down!!!!!!!  30 points.  And my ratio is 2.9.

Last time I had it done, I was on the Book Teacher diet and was not eating red meat at all.  Now I eat beef regularly and I had lamb this week.  Yet despite this, it went down.  Plus, I'm eating butter.  And I have an egg every day.  All the things they tell you will make your cholesterol go up, is not.  

My guess is following swami, and staying away from processed foods is more of the reason.  I'm not really sure exactly, but the fact is, I've eaten more red meat this last year than I have in a long time and my numbers are still down.  I don't eat it like it's going out of style.  And I would guess my main source of protein is still fish.  And nuts.  I do eat more of those than any other category of protein.  

But I think there must be something to swami.  I'm guessing.  It might not be the only reason, but I'm sure it plays a part.  

We got it done at a health assessment for my wife's work, that gets you money off on your insurance if you participate.  And I was really nervous this morning about doing it.  Because I've been eating more lately to gain weight.  But it was a huge weight off of my shoulders to get better numbers than last time.  And I'm around 60 points down from where it used to hover at 3 years ago and previous.  Although my ratio's have always been good.  I have high HDL's always.  

Anyways......  I'm rambling.

But I just thought I'd share because my diet goes against "conventional" wisdom about staying away from eggs and red meat to lower cholesterol.  And even butter on a daily basis.  I'm thanking God for my swami, as I'm sure it plays a part.  
Posted by: BluesSinger, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 7:37pm; Reply: 1
ya hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I looooooveee my red meat!!!! Bison NY Strip with grilled onions in olive oil!!! oh yah!

Congrats!!!!   ;D
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 7:50pm; Reply: 2
Yeah well, you O's........

Of course some have told me my swami is more like an O's in the amount of meat I get for some reason.  
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 8:08pm; Reply: 3
Great news...very encouraging and great for newcomers to see! (I love lamb also and sometimes have it for my first meal of the day which is 3-4 hours after I'm up. I eat fruit before that and my tea.  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 8:27pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from JJR

But I think there must be something to swami.  


Ya think?  (hehehe!)  (hehe)
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 8:30pm; Reply: 5
JJR....that's awesome~! :)

I love just it when someone shares a success story....just proves how right-on Dr. D has always been
about our individuality!  And how well these diets work!
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 10:23pm; Reply: 6
Good job, JJ...
Glad that your numbers are looking better.  Hope you're feeling better as well!
Posted by: 21953 (Guest), Saturday, September 29, 2012, 11:49pm; Reply: 7

Never an advocate of sacrificing the life of another creature. I therefore ask what alternative vegetarian sources for your blood group did you try.   :)
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:09am; Reply: 8

B12 only comes in animal protein.  Each meat has it's own vitamin make up, which are rich in life giving nutrients.  All of them different.  

You are entitled to your opinion and I have no problem with that.  Eat what you want.  But please be understanding of other viewpoints that aren't your own.  

God told me I can eat meat in his word, therefore I have no problem with it.  Many other people I trust, including Dr.D are proponents of eating meat and their healthful qualities for your body.  Therefore, I again, have no problem with it.  Although my first reason is good enough.  

You will find other vegetarians on this board that have helpful posts and so on and so forth about that subject.  But you will not change all of our opinions and I would hope you can be respectful of us, despite the fact that some of us LOVE eating meat.  



Thank you Joe!!!!  The feeling better will come with keeping overcoming the lymes.  But it's a slow process.  It is helpful to not have to worry about if what I'm eating is hurting me or not though.  At least in that respect.    
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 1:24am; Reply: 9
Good new, neighbor!
BTD/GTD/SWAMI rock!

Welcome Helen! There are vegetarians or low meat eaters on this board. You will learn a lot & make good friends on the forum. It's a great community!
Posted by: Spring, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:11am; Reply: 10
Great news, JJR!!! (woot)
Posted by: Kumar, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 9:51am; Reply: 11
Some simple facts even many famous doctors miss on cholesterol:

Food contributes only 10-15 percent of blood cholesterol and the rest is made by liver!

When cholesterol is not ingested in food, there is more reason for the liver to make it!

Anyway, the facts are more true of B and O, and your experience as an AB tells a lot to all of us!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:53pm; Reply: 12
Congrats JJR!
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 4:09pm; Reply: 13
I eat red meat and have high of the good cholesterol and low of the bad cholesterol.  I eat according to my Swami.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 4:42pm; Reply: 14
Congratulations, JJR!  My experience was the same.  During my 25 years of very careful vegetarian eating with full attention to getting a well-rounded nutritional profile in my meals, plenty of protein and abundant fresh produce and some cultured goat dairy, I struggled with my cholesterol numbers continuously.  Also I experienced a loss of muscle tone, break-down of digestive functions and a gradual deterioration of my health in many areas of my life.

I have never wanted to take the lives of animals.  Therefore I didn't start eating meat again without much serious thought and soul-searching.  I realized that it was a matter of if I chose to live or not.  Since I have been eating the Superfood red meats, my cholesterol balance has become close to perfect.  Back to my ideal weight and IBS is a thing of the past.  I can do much more good in my life if I am healthy.
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 6:00pm; Reply: 15
Yeah, hopefully it means my liver is getting better.  I know at the beginning of all of my health challenges, I had some teeth problems and for a few stints lived on ibuprofen for the pain. And for an explorer like me, I don't think that was good.  Plus with the amalgams, etc etc.  Bad food.  

Wow Victoria, that is quite the story.  I didn't realize this.  I can't relate, as I grew up hunting.  Meat has always been a staple in our lives.  I don't fault anyone if they believe differently.  But with my raising and along with my belief in God's word, I've never struggled with those types of things.  However, I have become more sensitive to animals in general and more tender and compassionate towards them.  And I think the way some of them are treated in our food chain is really not good.  And I wish that would change.  But that doesn't mean every source treats their animals so poorly.  We were getting lamb from a local farmer that just loved their sheep.  Took great care of them and they were like their pets.  But they also believed that the lambs were very good for your health and they raised them for the meat.  But it's hard not to love them in the process of raising them.  Quite the deal there.  

Anyways....
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 6:38pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from JJR
. . that doesn't mean every source treats their animals so poorly.  We were getting lamb from a local farmer that just loved their sheep.  Took great care of them and they were like their pets.  But they also believed that the lambs were very good for your health and they raised them for the meat.  But it's hard not to love them in the process of raising them.  


I agree with this perspective.  :)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 8:12pm; Reply: 17
Victoria.. how long did it take for your IBS to abate and what specific things did you do at the time?  You can write me privately if you want.. i've had two weeks of approx. 98% compliancy and still have horrid pain at bowel movement time and then after the diarrhea, i'm pain free until the next time.  It's bizarre.  I have a doc appt tomorrow.  I'm kind of hoping it's parasites!  That way I could figure a way back to sanity with this..  ??)
Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 8:14pm; Reply: 18
P.S. My husband - an O and Hunter, quite eating all meat except fish about 2 months ago.   He lost weight but he looks like alot of muscle tone is gone.  he does not work out and he still indulges in wheat and white bread products when the urge hits him.  

He did it for Spiritual reasons... He's been delving into Eastern Indian work lately and it's wonderful but the meat thing is not good for him.. but then again what do i know.  He goes in for his annual blood work tomorrow.. i'm anxious to see what his numbers are.  
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 9:33pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from BluesSinger
Victoria.. how long did it take for your IBS to abate and what specific things did you do at the time?  You can write me privately if you want.. i've had two weeks of approx. 98% compliancy and still have horrid pain at bowel movement time and then after the diarrhea, i'm pain free until the next time.  It's bizarre.  I have a doc appt tomorrow.  I'm kind of hoping it's parasites!  That way I could figure a way back to sanity with this..  ??)


It was a process of trial and error for quite a while.  After living with IBS for 3 decades, loose stools for nearly 20 years and always having pain within a short time after eating, I discovered the BTD in 1998.  I had a lot of health improvement but my IBS stuck around.  

After 11 years, I switched to the Genotype diet, which further improved my health and weight, but not my IBS.  I was still eating Spelt and the Ezekial/Essene type of breads, as well as cow yogurt and cheeses.  I did go through a couple of anti-parasite and anti-candida regimes, and got only a little improvement in my digestion.  

Then I eliminated all gluten products as well as oats, and stopped eating all cow dairy except for ghee.  I switched to eating a few spoonfuls of homemade goat yogurt daily instead of a couple cups of cow yogurt.  The results were almost immediate.  Even though my tests were negative for Celiac, I believe my reaction to gluten is significant enough that I'll never willingly eat it again.  I eat a little sheep cheese (Manchego) 2 or 3 times a week with no problem.  If I occasionally eat a little cow cheese (at someone else's house), it does not throw me into IBS, but does makes my stomach hurt.  So I just don't go there.

My Nomad SWAMI is more emphatic about me staying away from gluten, but by the time I started to follow it, I had already been gluten-free for a couple of years.  So it was easy at this point.  
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 9:41pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from BluesSinger
P.S. My husband - an O and Hunter, quite eating all meat except fish about 2 months ago.   He lost weight but he looks like alot of muscle tone is gone.  he does not work out and he still indulges in wheat and white bread products when the urge hits him.  

He did it for Spiritual reasons... He's been delving into Eastern Indian work lately and it's wonderful but the meat thing is not good for him.. but then again what do i know.  He goes in for his annual blood work tomorrow.. i'm anxious to see what his numbers are.  


I understand.  I was a yoga teacher for more than 20 years and that was a big part of my vegetarianism.  Also I was eating wheat products during that time, too.

It's not the best thing for his health over the long-term.  If he would be willing to stay away from wheat breads, unless homemade from sprouted wheat, focusing instead on millet, quinoa, rice, teff and all buckwheat pasta, he might do better.  

He'll have to work hard to get enough of the right kind of protein.  I hope he will eat plenty of fish and follow the Hunter guidelines for vegetable protein foods.  Beans, nuts and seeds, eggs and some sheep cheeses.  

He might need methylcobalamin B12 and taurine supplementation.  

And I feel sure he won't be interested in being pushed.  ;)

Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, September 30, 2012, 9:41pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from 21953

Never an advocate of sacrificing the life of another creature. I therefore ask what alternative vegetarian sources for your blood group did you try.   :)


When you eat anything, it is organic in origin and came from something that was alive at one point.  It is good to be thankful for abundance and to have good food to eat.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 1, 2012, 7:19am; Reply: 22
:o(oh)(eek)(hehe)(clap)(ok)(dance) ;D ;D ;D :D
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, October 1, 2012, 10:02am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Easy E


When you eat anything, it is organic in origin and came from something that was alive at one point.  It is good to be thankful for abundance and to have good food to eat.


Well said!  :)
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, October 1, 2012, 12:55pm; Reply: 24
This is a great article about the whole cholesterol thing:

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease
Posted by: D.L., Monday, October 1, 2012, 2:17pm; Reply: 25
Yes, EP, that is an interesting and timely article. Thank you for posting it. From personal experience, in the last year and eight months, I had given up eating almost all cholesterol. I diligently checked all labels and ate hardly any cholesterol-containing proteins. My cholesterol had been dangerously high but I had to stop taking the statins the doctor prescribed because of inflamed liver. So I have been taking red yeast rice instead, and milk thistle to heal my liver. Well, my cholesterol dropped a lot but is still pretty high, my LDL is too high, my HDL is too low, and my triglycerides are still way too high. So the practically meat-less, low cholesterol diet thing hasn't worked for me. A friend told me that even though her husband didn't eat any cholesterol and his doctor put him on high-powered anti-cholesterol meds, his cholesterol still remained too high and he died.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, October 1, 2012, 4:00pm; Reply: 26
I forgot to say I uesed to drink lots of caffeine too, about 6 years ago and more.  When my cholesterol was a lot higher.  And possibly quitting that has helped bring it down.  As I have a lot of explorer traits and maybe it was also gumming up my liver.  

I don't know what the actual reasons are, I just know I'm eating more red meat now.  I have eaten more beef this last year than I have in years.  But we do buy grass fed beef.  And beef is only a neutral on my swami.  But it's the red meat I eat most of.  Lamb is better for me and I love it, but it's harder to get and much more expensive.  

I guess I'd be looking at how to detox your liver D.L.  But that's just a thought.  I have really no clue what will help you.  I think it's different for all of us.  

But one thing is certain, I am very thankful that BTD got updated in to GTD/SWAMI, because I believe my immune system is stronger eating red meat.  And if I was following BTD, I wouldn't eat it nearly as much as I do.  And I wouldn't eat beef at all because BTD says it's an avoid for AB's.  And every once in a while we get a thread on here how Red meat is really BAD for A's and AB's, and I don't think it's the case for ALL parties.  Even some A's.  Probably the A's that are more explorer like I would imagine.  And I'm sure they are in the minority.  Maybe I'm in the minority for AB's too.  I don't know.  But I get quite a few choices for red meats on my swami, in the superfood and neutral category.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, October 1, 2012, 4:08pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from JJR
Maybe I'm in the minority for AB's too.  But I get quite a few choices for red meats on my swami, in the superfood and neutral category.  

I think you tend to follow more Type B than Type A, where my food lists are definitely more A-like...  I get Beef and Calf liver, goat, lamb, mutton and rabbit for superfood and no neutral red meats.  Beef is a black dot, so I can eat it, but tend to stay away from even the black dots - at least until most of my healing is done.

SWAMI gives me 4 servings of red meat per week, and I definitely need to eat it.  Last week, I was starting to crave red meat, but didn't want liver, so I got a lamb leg and must say, I needed it and felt better for eating it.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, October 1, 2012, 4:13pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from D.L.
My cholesterol had been dangerously high but I had to stop taking the statins the doctor prescribed because of inflamed liver. So I have been taking red yeast rice instead, and milk thistle to heal my liver.

Have you attempted to use a castor oil pack on your liver?  I have done it several times and it seems to help, even if you don't follow all of the steps for a complete "cleanse" as shown on page 252 of "The Genotype Diet" book.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:46pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from ABJoe

I think you tend to follow more Type B than Type A, where my food lists are definitely more A-like...  I get Beef and Calf liver, goat, lamb, mutton and rabbit for superfood and no neutral red meats.  Beef is a black dot, so I can eat it, but tend to stay away from even the black dots - at least until most of my healing is done.

SWAMI gives me 4 servings of red meat per week, and I definitely need to eat it.  Last week, I was starting to crave red meat, but didn't want liver, so I got a lamb leg and must say, I needed it and felt better for eating it.


Isn't lamb great?  I love those legs too.

I got all those you have as superfoods, plus Beef, Buffalo/bison, Veal, moose, and venison as neutrals.  Beef tongue, Caribou and kangaroo as black dots.  Although I've never had any of those black dots.  I wonder what elk would fall under?  Would that be considered venison?  It's strange to me that moose, caribou and deer are singled out, yet elk aren't.  Unless "venison" means deer or elk.  Hmmmmm....

Mine is 4x a week also.  Unless I do the "more frequency" package.  Then it goes to 5x.  Which is also a bit odd, because not every category jumps up like that.  

Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, October 6, 2012, 1:26pm; Reply: 30
Good article EquiPro
Posted by: 17484 (Guest), Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 10:49am; Reply: 31
Easy E I also agree with your statement. I was wondering if, as an A and also Explorer like myself, whether you, Spring and D.L. are eating meat. Via Swami, I now have lamb, goat and mutton (as superfoods) added to my previous vegetarian diet and feel I'm doing better with these changes. Being an A and also an Explorer seems to be somewhat a contradiction in terms. What do you think?
    
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 1:51pm; Reply: 32
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lamb, goat and mutton (as superfoods)


those are not considered red meat....enjoy
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 2:13pm; Reply: 33
Lola- lamb, goat, and mutton are all in the "red meat" category on SWAMI and GTD. Any meat from a mammal is considered "red meat."

Since Monika Linton's SWAMI gives her three kinds of red meat as beneficials, it's certainly fine for her to eat them, even though she's an A.

From what I understand, it's the people who didn't do well on BTD (especially A Explorers) that inspired Dr D to keep searching, which led him to develop GTD and then SWAMI.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 4:32pm; Reply: 34
I would trust the swami as an explorer and eat the red meat.  Maybe just don't have huge amounts at one time.  I'm sure you'll figure it out.

I'm with ruthie on this one Lola.  If those aren't "red meat" what are they?  Pink?  hehehhehehe
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 5:56pm; Reply: 35
Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you. ;)


(I first saw that in somebody's sig line when I was on a low-carb forum, before I found BTD.)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 1:52am; Reply: 36
beef is and bison.....

bio molecular complexity, remember? ;)
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 5:12pm; Reply: 37
Huh?  What about venison and Moose and caribou?  

I always wondered if pork is "technically" a red meat.  It's so light.  But as far as the lists go, those are all under "red meats", aren't they?
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 5:57pm; Reply: 38
Pork...the "other" white meat. ;)
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