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Posted by: EatToLive, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 1:35am
I am sensitive to dairy products, but I have been doing some research into RAW dairy products that come from 100% grass fed cows and goats. Apparently it contains a protein (casein A2) that does NOT cause the digestive upset or allergy problems that the A1 casein protein in pasturized dairy products cause. As a Hunter GT, I am not supposed to eat yogurt. But I would really like to be able to eat the organic Raw yogurt that comes from 100% grass fed cows that contains the benign A2 casein protein. Does anybody know what Dr. D's position is on this?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 5:12am; Reply: 1
it is the whey in milk which is a problem

why not make your own paneer, if it rates right for you in a personalized swami, using the A2 milk

where there s a will, there s a way :)
paneer
http://showmethecurry.com/odds-ends/homemade-paneer-indian-cheese.html

http://www.recipedelights.com/basics/Paneer.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQu5jVagfao
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:21pm; Reply: 2
I've read a number of articles saying that A2 is much easier to digest than A1.  And of course in the US we have mostly A1.  
I have  had a problem with casein protein myself.
Lin
Posted by: JJR, Friday, September 14, 2012, 4:45pm; Reply: 3
My Doctor's assistant was telling me about this stuff too.  Because I've pretty much quit dairy.  It's funny though, I think I can drink milk (meaning I've had stuff with cream or milk in it I think,  I don't drink it though.)  But cheese stops me up and anything cultured makes me feel awful.  Although it's been a while since I've tried any.  And oh yeah, I eat butter and that's fine.  So, I'm not sure what the deal is.  

I don't know where you get the stuff.  Do you?  

You could try it for us and see how it works and be our gunea pig.   :K) ;D

But yeah, she was telling me it might be a good option for me.  
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, September 14, 2012, 5:02pm; Reply: 4
Jersey, Guernsey, goat and sheep milk is A2
I prefer to get my dairy from a2 sources. I have noticed that even my O daughter seems better on a2 dairy :)
Posted by: JJR, Friday, September 14, 2012, 5:12pm; Reply: 5
Goat dairy is even worse for me than regular dairy.  Which is funny because the rest of my family does well on it.  I always wanted to try sheep but it's not easy to get.  And I didn't know that about the cows.  Good info!!!
Posted by: EatToLive, Friday, September 14, 2012, 6:10pm; Reply: 6
Also, when I filled out my Swami questionare, I wasn't sure how to answer the question of "Are you Lactose intolerant?"  I gave up dairy over 10 years ago, because of the added growth hormones and antibiotics and pesticides in dairy products.

Back when I didn't know any better, and organic dairy was not readily available, I used to eat and drink dairy on a daily basis and didn't have any problems digesting it.

But in the last 2 years, when I have cheated on my healthy food program, and indulged in the occasional icecream cone, or bowl of organic unsweetened yogurt with some berries in it, I end up having lots of gas, bloating, and digestive upset, which is new to me!

So I answered the lactose intolerant question: Yes

How do I know for sure if I really am lactose intolerant, or if it was something else in the dairy food that I was eating that caused the digestive upset? What if it was the berries that I was adding to the yogurt, or the artificial flavorings & sugar that were in the icecream cone? What if the problem was just that it contained the A1 casein protein?

I'm not a big fan of cheese, it's so heavy & constipating, and besides, only cheddar cheese and Mozzerella tastes good to me, so I have stayed away from it.

Now with this new information about healthy RAW unpasturized organic A2 dairy from 100% grass fed cows, I would like to be able to be able to re-introduce this kind of dairy into my diet. I am wondering if the Swami program takes into account the difference between traditional sources of pasturized, grain fed, A1 dairy and the RAW dairy that I am referring to? Does anybody know?
Posted by: EatToLive, Friday, September 14, 2012, 6:26pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from JJR
My Doctor's assistant was telling me about this stuff too.  Because I've pretty much quit dairy.  
I don't know where you get the stuff.  Do you?  
But yeah, she was telling me it might be a good option for me.  


I can buy RAW dairy that is organic (A2 casein) and comes from 100% grass fed cows here at my local farmer's market. I can also get a variety of RAW organic cheeses from my local Whole Foods Store. Plus I can buy all of this RAW organic A2 Casein dairy online from a company called Beyond Organics. It's a ranch that has 100% grass fed cows, no A1 casein in their dairy products.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, September 14, 2012, 7:54pm; Reply: 8
Dr D has not (yet?) evaluated raw dairy and/or A2 dairy separately from pasteurized A1 dairy products.

You can evaluate this two ways:

1) Since this form of dairy isn't evaluated separately, use the ratings for dairy already in your food list. That would make the yogurt an "avoid" for Hunters.

or:

2) Consider this food to be "untested" and thus "neutral....with caution." Eat clean (no questionable foods) for a month, then carefully introduce the "questionable" food item, starting with small amounts, and see how you tolerate it.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, September 17, 2012, 5:41pm; Reply: 9
Yeah, but I think she wanting to know what to put in her swami.  It's probably already locked anyways.  

Eattolive, you said cheese causes constipation and yoghurt and ice cream cause bloating and gas and what not.  Yeah, it could be something else in it that caused problems.  And ice cream in and of itself can be bad for people, not just the dairy part.  All that sugar and what not.  But if it was me, I'd leave it and assume you are at least sensitive to lactose.  I used to eat lots of dairy too.  And like I said, I don't think milk and certainly not butter hurt me at all.  But the fact is, some of the other stuff doesn't work for me, so I just leave mine checked "yes" to lactose intolerant also.  Despite that fact, my swami still suggests a few servings of dairy per week.  4 servings.  And I have all kinds of cheeses that are superfoods.  I just don't eat them.  Butter is only neutral and Milk is an avoid, yet I'd rather have some milk than eat some cheese.  So you just have to kind of tweak SWAMI in your mind, knowing what your body has shown you.  It's a computer program that is not somehow magically hooked up to your body.  It can only go so far.  You kind of have to know how to bridge the gap between swami and your body.  It's just that it gets a whole lot close than probably any other diet as to what your body is best eating.  But it's not perfect and all knowing.  
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