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Posted by: EatToLive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 12:06am
I've been getting these nasty foot cramps in the middle of the night while sleeping. They are not your average muscle cramps. It's like my feet seize up and my toes curl under or sometimes backwards into a deformed knot, so much so, that I can't even use my hands to stretch out my foot cramp, it feels like the bones in my feet are breaking!

I assume it is caused by a mineral deficiency (been drinking Reverse Osmosis water for 2 years) I read that RO water filters out all the minerals along with all the contaminants. So I stopped drinking RO water and have been taking tons of ionic angstrom minerals (about 6 months now) but will occasionally get these bone breaking foot cramps still!

Anybody know what this is about? I've tried loading up on magnesium at the time of the foot cramp and that only helps a little bit. I've noticed if I consume too much potassium in one day, I can count on getting these foot cramps. Any ideas on how to stop this excruciating pain? It is torture!  :'(

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 12:23am; Reply: 1
What form of magnesium are you taking and how much?
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 12:44am; Reply: 2
How much water are you drinking?  I heard it was a sign of dehydration.  But you might be right about it stripping your minerals, because I've heard too much water can do that too.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 1:49am; Reply: 3
Calcium & magnesium would help.  I used to get them years ago when I had very little dairy due to it 'affecting' me, but didn't know about calcium supplementation.
Posted by: EatToLive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 2:05am; Reply: 4
I am taking ionic liquid magnesium (angstrom size) two dropperfuls every morning, plus one 250mg tablet of Magnesium Malate Chelate (physician grade supplement) every evening.
Posted by: EatToLive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 2:08am; Reply: 5
I am drinking 8 glasses of water a day, which is perfect for my body weight.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 2:30am; Reply: 6
I guess I'm thinking you need more magnesium, especially before bed.  

Probably would be ideal if you got some of the topical use magnesium, known as 'Magnesium Oil'.  It isn't really an oil, just feels oily on the skin.  I'd put it all over the feet and ankles in the evening and let dry on the skin.  It absorbs right in.  The easiest way to obtain it (and most expensive) is to buy magnesium oil ready-made, either at a good natural food store or order online.  There are a lot of folks on this forum who use it and swear by the benefits.

I buy magnesium chloride crystals in my health food stores, which is used to make homemade tofu with.  It's also known as Nigari and is quite inexpensive. I mix it in filtered water until no more will dissolve, then dilute it with about 1/4 the amount of additional water and keep in a spray bottle.  

I also take about 750 mg of magnesium glycinate and 1,000 mg of Dr. D'Adamo's calcium - spread throughout the day.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 5:23pm; Reply: 7
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP013
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 5:38pm; Reply: 8
Potassium and sodium have a balanced relationship.

Minerals in mineral water do not really get absorbed and can be kind of hard on your body depending on the makeup. RO water does not strip your body of minerals. You can drink too much, though- if you are too alkaline, drinking excessive water isn't a good idea until you bring your ph back in balance. Some calciums can not be absorbed in certain ph's. Calcium glucanate that is in Detoxical by DPN is one that can be absorbed in any ph.

A lot of people who "eat healthy" with the fruit and veg can get too alkaline. They also tend to be the ones who are faithful in drinking their water. Water is good and essential, but you do better to have more when acidic and a little less when alkaline. (And adjust your eating a bit) I did have some of these foot cramps too. I attribute them stopping to magnesium rich ocean salt foot baths for a period and getting the proper calciums and working on my ph. There are also certain calciums your body can run low on when it is trying to balance the ph of your meals to maximize absorbtion. It will get them from where it can.

I came to a place where I was extremely low on minerals/calcium reserves from several years of malabsorption, IBS, SIBO and food sensitivites. Still working on things, slowly but surely, but I have little reserves so seem to swing around a bit if I am not getting what I need consistently.

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990307125517

Best to you in getting these resolved. They stink and hurt, I know. I think it was a magnesium thing, myself. Maybe rubbing some magesium oil/gel before bed might be what I would try if it was a problem again. http://www.ancient-minerals.com/products/?gclid=CPPHvOKEqbICFYVrKgodeG4AcA The foot baths felt really right to me, at the time, though. Like swimming in a miniature ocean. :)
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 6:20pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from EatToLive
I am drinking 8 glasses of water a day, which is perfect for my body weight.


You could try adding the juice of one lemon to a gallon of your water plus about a pinch to 1/2 tsp of sea salt.  This helped my muscle spasms along with using transdermal magnesium spray.

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 6:38pm; Reply: 10
Do you eat much dairy product and or wheat? being compliant will also help.

does it affect both feet?

how are Achilles tendons on each foot?
Posted by: EatToLive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 9:52pm; Reply: 11
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A lot of people who "eat healthy" with the fruit and veg can get too alkaline. They also tend to be the ones who are faithful in drinking their water. Water is good and essential, but you do better to have more when acidic and a little less when alkaline.

Yes, I was eating a highly alkaline diet for a couple years (green juice smoothies mostly) and drinking plenty of RO water exclusively. I was testing my Ph levels and they proved to be very high on the Alkaline side. So I think you are right, I may have been too alkaline initially.

I know RO water doesn't strip the minerals from your body, the RO filter machine strips the tap water of it's minerals, so that you are drinking de-mineralized water. I've read that if you are going to drink RO water exclusively, then you better re-mineralize the RO water before you drink so much of it. I never did find out the best & easiest way to re-mineralize RO drinking water. Anybody doing this? Please, pray tell.... :)
Posted by: EatToLive, Sunday, September 9, 2012, 10:04pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
Do you eat much dairy product and or wheat? being compliant will also help.

does it affect both feet?

how are Achilles tendons on each foot?



I don't eat dairy or gluten, and I just started the GenoType diet recently. Yes it does affect both feet. Never had problems with Achilles tendons on either foot. It's weird because if I eat a banana or drink coconut water (high in potassium) it seems to throw off my balance of minerals, and I have problems. I can't eat bananas, they cause terrible constipation in me, even though I take an herbal fiber supplement. And bananas are a superfood for me!  ::)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, September 10, 2012, 12:15am; Reply: 13
Your minerals are usable from foods (mainly plants) and supplements. You are on the right track with ionic minerals (absorbtion). The minerals in spring water aren't really in a usable form. Can be rough on your kidneys and you don't want things not broken down accumulating anywhere in your body. Think drinking little rocks. The only reasons someone eating a high amount of plants would need to supplement is because of deficiency from a previous poor diet and/or illness and/or the plants don't have the minerals. The soil has been depleted severely for a long time. There was a congressional report  acknowledging this back in the 30's.

Your body needs pure water. H2O- not H2O and other stuff to process. Distillation or RO is the only way to get this. Rainwater is polluted. Ignore the nonsense about alkaline/acid water. Lemon is acidic if you read it with ph paper, but it has an alkalizing effect on the body.

Hope this is helpful.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, September 10, 2012, 12:23am; Reply: 14
This may be what you're already talking about, but Concentrace Ionic Mineral Drops is the product I use sometimes.
http://www.traceminerals.com/products/liquid-tablet-minerals/concentrace-ionic-minerals
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Monday, September 10, 2012, 4:44am; Reply: 15
Quoted from AKArtlover
Potassium and sodium have a balanced relationship.  

I did have some of these foot cramps too. I attribute them stopping to magnesium rich ocean salt foot baths for a period


It seems to me that if you overdo potassium and are guaranteed foot cramps, then sodium levels are not right. Potassium and sodium are finely balanced and interact with each other. Maybe you need to eat more salt. On my Swami sea salt is highly beneficial.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, September 10, 2012, 4:39pm; Reply: 16
I have to tell you, I used to drink 2 liters of water a day faithfully.  But I cut back, it just seemed like too much water.  Even though it's the right amount for my weight.  I felt like I could never eat and absorb my food well because my stomach was always full of water.  

And my doctors assistant did say sometimes too much water can strip your minerals.  

I doubt you're not getting enough water though.  I was probably wrong about that.  These people probably have it right with the minerals.  

As far as alkaline goes, you're an O, and from what I've read from Dr.D, you are supposed to be more towards the acidic.  I think.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, September 10, 2012, 4:47pm; Reply: 17
If it gets worse when you eat a lot of potassium-rich foods, then you probably need more sodium. Add sea salt to your water and/or your foods and see if it helps. You may also need more calcium and/or magnesium. A complete deficiency of one or the other can cause problems, but an imbalance between the two is also problematic. If you need more magnesium, but you're taking a cal/mag pill, it may not help.

I'd suggest you start by adding sodium to your diet, and then you can tweak the other minerals if that doesn't help, or doesn't help completely.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, September 10, 2012, 5:03pm; Reply: 18
I recommend using the highest quality salt you can find, such as Himalayan crystal salt, from an ancient seabed.  The rich balance of minerals is so good for our bodies.
Posted by: EatToLive, Monday, September 10, 2012, 8:28pm; Reply: 19
Thanks guys for all of the helpful advise! I do use Himalayan Sea salt exclusively in my diet, but I don't really like salty foods (I have a sweet tooth) so I don't consume very much salt. I think you guys are right, it is time to increase the sea salt!  ;D
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, September 10, 2012, 9:08pm; Reply: 20
have you looked into phytic acid and it's ability to deplete minerals and vitamins. do you eat any grains, rice, seeds etc?
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 12:25am; Reply: 21
Just to be clear, I am not referring to stomach acid, in the above posts- urine and saliva ph. Google Carey Reams if you want your mind blown.

Dissolving the salt into a food is the best way to consume. Boiling into beans, setting on top of an avocado for awhile, etc. Second to clean sea vegetables or celery etc grown in a mineral rich soil.

Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 12:37am; Reply: 22
I'm wondering if it could be GOUT, instead of just cramping, Is the big toe the one that stiffens and moves astry, mainly?
Posted by: EquiPro, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:23am; Reply: 23
Hi, EatToLive.

Both my mother (Type A) and I suffer from hideous and horrible leg and foot cramps.  Knock you down, rolling on the floor in agony cramps.  Horrible tears types of cramps.

Only one thing causes it:  SUGAR

If I eat sugar at night, of any sort, I will get them.  Yes, the toe curlers.  The very worst thing I can eat is a bowl of Rice Checks with milk.  I am guaranteed to be in He11 in about an hour or so after that.

Pretty much any refined starch combined with dairy can do it.

Also, refined sugar does me in.  I love gummy bears, but if I eat them, I know there is a good chance I'll be cramping soon.

Sometimes, if I just can't resist eating something (especially in the evening) that I know that will affect me I can stave it off by drinking lime juice in water.  I prefer limes to lemons.

Try eliminating all sugar and starch several hours before going to bed.  Eat fats, nuts, eggs, whatever instead.  My guess is that you will find that you don't have those cramps when you don't eat sugar, starch or dairy before going to bed.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:43am; Reply: 24
I get cramps in my feet in the middle of the night and I'm still not sure what causes them. But I do know that once I feel one coming on, the best thing I can do is to stand up right away, and walk around. If I don't, they only get worse until I can't stand up at all.
Posted by: EquiPro, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:55am; Reply: 25
I got you beat there, Drea....if I feel one coming I'm out of bed so fast that I've hit warp 9. Most of the time it doesn't help, unfortunately.  Bad sugar....BAD!
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:57am; Reply: 26
I don't eat sugar. So that's not what causes them for me...the closest I can come to for my own body is that I eat more calcium-laden foods and not enough magnesium-laden foods. I've been taking extra magnesium the last couple of days, so I'll see if that helps at all.
Posted by: EquiPro, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:05am; Reply: 27
I guess I should re-define "sugar".  For me it means dairy and starch also.  They all break down into sugar, which my body uses to give me leg and foot cramps.

Sometimes a potassium and/ or magnesium pill will help me, but most of the time it's prevention.
Posted by: EatToLive, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:40pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from geminisue
I'm wondering if it could be GOUT, instead of just cramping, Is the big toe the one that stiffens and moves astry, mainly?


No, it's not gout. Big toe is not even affected. It's the whole foot and the smaller toes.
Posted by: EatToLive, Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:43pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
have you looked into phytic acid and it's ability to deplete minerals and vitamins. do you eat any grains, rice, seeds etc?


I have avoided foods high in phytic acid for this very reason. So I don't think it's that. But thank you.
Posted by: EatToLive, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 12:02am; Reply: 30
Quoted from EquiPro
Hi, EatToLive.

Both my mother (Type A) and I suffer from hideous and horrible leg and foot cramps.  Knock you down, rolling on the floor in agony cramps.  Horrible tears types of cramps.

Only one thing causes it:  SUGAR

If I eat sugar at night, of any sort, I will get them.  Yes, the toe curlers.  The very worst thing I can eat is a bowl of Rice Checks with milk.  I am guaranteed to be in He11 in about an hour or so after that.

Pretty much any refined starch combined with dairy can do it.

Also, refined sugar does me in.  I love gummy bears, but if I eat them, I know there is a good chance I'll be cramping soon.

Sometimes, if I just can't resist eating something (especially in the evening) that I know that will affect me I can stave it off by drinking lime juice in water.  I prefer limes to lemons.

Try eliminating all sugar and starch several hours before going to bed.  Eat fats, nuts, eggs, whatever instead.  My guess is that you will find that you don't have those cramps when you don't eat sugar, starch or dairy before going to bed.


Yes! You are right! When I wake up in the middle of the night with bad foot cramps, I always ask myself "what was the last thing I ate before going to bed?" and the last couple of times it happened, I had something with sugar in it late at night, like a Mango Margarita! Aha! I usually don't consume any refined sugars and wasn't making the connection.

But I find it strange that since I rarely eat refined sugar and am very alkaline normally, that a small amount of sugar late at night could cause such a hugely negative reaction. What has happened to my body, that I can no longer even have a single margarita drink once in a blue moon? I used to be able to tolerate sugar in huge quantities when I was younger just fine. Now, it's like... take me to the hospital, my feet are breaking themselves!
Posted by: Patty H, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:02pm; Reply: 31
Have you considered it could be plantar fasciitis?  This is very common at your age.  One of my dear friends has it.  I also have been diagnosed with posterior tibial tendonitis in both legs/feet from running.  This impacts the plantar fascia in the feet as well.  It is very painful and gets worse at night.  My toes all feel like they are broken.  If it is plantar fasciitis, you should see a good podiatrist who can give you a program to correct it.  I went to a chiropractor who diagnosed the tendonitis and he still referred me to a podiatrist.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0004438/
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:08pm; Reply: 32
I have those Yes, the toe curler spasms under foot too.  Didn't know what was causing them, but after reading all of the posts here would suspect it is the minerals cal/magnesium which I've been low in.  Good tips all of you!
Lin
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:11pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from EatToLive
I've noticed if I consume too much potassium in one day, I can count on getting these foot cramps. Any ideas on how to stop this excruciating pain? It is torture!  :'(



Eat to Live, I was just on your other post about avocados and how devastated you are about them being an avoid. Did you know that avocados are really high in potassium? I just googled them and found this site:

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-potassium.php

It may be that avocados are part of the problem with your cramps.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, September 14, 2012, 1:12am; Reply: 34
Those of you who are suffering from cramps in the night, have any of you tried taking an ongoing generous amount of a good quality magnesium, and found it didn't work?  I'm not talking about taking it occasionally or in a low dose.  

I used to be in agony in the night with foot cramps, calf cramps or shoulder cramps.  I have not had one, since I have permanently upped my magnesium intake.  The pill form doesn't work for me - I go for the capsules.  I take about 1,000 mg calcium and 700 to 800 mg magnesium every day to keep a good balance of those two minerals.  If I ever feel like my muscles are tight, I'll add an extra 100 or 200 mg of magnesium on that day.  No cramps ever.

Calcium isn't going to help much.  It benefits bones.  Magnesium relaxes and addresses soft tissues, even the muscles of the heart.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, September 14, 2012, 8:25am; Reply: 35
Perhaps try eating a fattier break fast life beef patties with eggs cooked in ghee with a bit of spinach cooked in ghee too.

Also first thing in the morning I take genoma eq with a glass of filtered water with ONE drop of louguls iodine, followed half an hour later by another glass with my live cell and polyflora.

Even though I don't like to drink in the evening if I am getting cravy I have a mr itarus green tea. and if i still am cravy later I have a bit of cold turkey. seems to be helping with this routine.

I am also doing the AI stretching routine as in http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1346889747/s-new/ , and being pretty compliant of course.
Posted by: EquiPro, Friday, September 14, 2012, 2:13pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from EatToLive


Yes! You are right! When I wake up in the middle of the night with bad foot cramps, I always ask myself "what was the last thing I ate before going to bed?" and the last couple of times it happened, I had something with sugar in it late at night, like a Mango Margarita!


My Mom, Type A, used to always have a few cocktails before bed, but has discovered that even one tiny little drinky-poo can have her hobbling around with foot/leg cramps during the night.  Probably was the drink.    :'(

Posted by: Lin, Friday, September 14, 2012, 5:41pm; Reply: 37
Victoria,
Many thanks for pointing out about the consistent and the ratio of cal/mag.  I need to pay attention to both.
Lin
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, September 14, 2012, 6:09pm; Reply: 38
You're welcome, Lin.  :)
Posted by: EatToLive, Friday, September 14, 2012, 6:37pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from snazzyshazz


Eat to Live, I was just on your other post about avocados and how devastated you are about them being an avoid. Did you know that avocados are really high in potassium? I just googled them and found this site:

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-potassium.php

It may be that avocados are part of the problem with your cramps.


Duh on me! LOL! Boy, I can't believe I never made that connection before! Thanks for reminding me about avocados being high in potassium. I can't have avocados anymore, so it's a non issue now.

It seems like there were a lot of things contributing to my horrible foot cramps: Too much potassium in my diet, not enough sodium, and not enough magnesium, and sugar triggering them! Thank you Swami Gurus for helping me solve this mystery!
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Monday, September 17, 2012, 9:14am; Reply: 40
I seem to have a similar problem with too much potassium, although it gives me dreadful nocturnal restless legs rather than cramps. I thought it was only bananas that cause it, but I tried some licorice recently and that night - restless legs! Bananas are neutral for me, and licorice is a superfood but I avoid both of them completely now.

Hope you find some relief from your cramps.
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