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Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, September 6, 2012, 1:22am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion

I have been looking at this drug for a while now. I know several people who are on it and love it--they are all O's.

I'm sure it would be bad for A's, B's, and AB's, but O's may find benefit from Bupropion. Thoughts?

I know this is a naturopathic forum, so a lot of people will have a negative knee-jerk reaction to a drug.

I'm just curious if I can raise my dopamine levels even more, which I (as an O) have often struggled with (even with tyrosine supplementation). :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 6, 2012, 8:31am; Reply: 1
Sertraline is less toxique .... side effects of all N/SSRI always ends in dependancy!!!
All my nonnie-clients on those drugs do have a problem to tapper down :-/ they need extremely long time to handle situations without this drug... (dizzy)

to raise dopanine levels you shouldn't use l'tyrosine but GABA and or L'dopa but this only is foreseen for Mb.Parkinson patients !
Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, September 6, 2012, 9:27pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Amazone I.
Sertraline is less toxique .... side effects of all N/SSRI always ends in dependancy!!!
All my nonnie-clients on those drugs do have a problem to tapper down :-/ they need extremely long time to handle situations without this drug... (dizzy)

to raise dopanine levels you shouldn't use l'tyrosine but GABA and or L'dopa but this only is foreseen for Mb.Parkinson patients !


Thanks for the advice, but I don't think Bupropion is an SSRI. It works on dopamine--not serotonin. I actually hate the feeling I get from anything like tryptophane or 5-HTP.
Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, September 6, 2012, 9:27pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Amazone I.
Sertraline is less toxique .... side effects of all N/SSRI always ends in dependancy!!!
All my nonnie-clients on those drugs do have a problem to tapper down :-/ they need extremely long time to handle situations without this drug... (dizzy)

to raise dopanine levels you shouldn't use l'tyrosine but GABA and or L'dopa but this only is foreseen for Mb.Parkinson patients !


Dopamine always makes me feel incredibly happy and confident. Serotonin--I try to minimize that one.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:21pm; Reply: 4
Concentrate first on proper exercise.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 7, 2012, 12:04am; Reply: 5
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I'm just curious if I can raise my dopamine levels even more, which I (as an O) have often struggled with (even with tyrosine supplementation).

add Catechol to your supplement regimen to help raise dopamine levels

Make sure you stay hydrated

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Question
Dopamine depletion (?) by bupropion--ironic or logical?
Dr D
Two strong ABO associations might wind up coloring things of this sort (both with group O). The first is the gene linkage between ABO, DBH (dopamine beta
hydroxylase) and norepinephrine. The second is the association between group O and lower platelet MAO levels (linked to gambling, impulsive behavior, etc).

video by Dr. D'Adamo about blood type and stress, in case anyone hasn't watched it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXGk7ppTL0

arginine is used to recycle nitrous oxide in the nervous system

when we eat for our blood/geno type it has a positive influence on our neuro transmitters
The gene for DBH which affects dopamine and the gene for ABO blood type is located at the same place: 9q34.  In other words, blood type and personalities
maybe related for this reason.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, September 7, 2012, 12:32am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Lola

add Catechol to your supplement regimen to help raise dopamine levels

Make sure you stay hydrated


video by Dr. D'Adamo about blood type and stress, in case anyone hasn't watched it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXGk7ppTL0

arginine is used to recycle nitrous oxide in the nervous system

when we eat for our blood/geno type it has a positive influence on our neuro transmitters
The gene for DBH which affects dopamine and the gene for ABO blood type is located at the same place: 9q34.  In other words, blood type and personalities
maybe related for this reason.


Didn't know it could lead to dopamine depletion. Fantastic quote. Thank you.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, September 7, 2012, 12:33am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Lloyd
Concentrate first on proper exercise.


True.
Posted by: Mickey, Friday, September 7, 2012, 3:41am; Reply: 8
I've been taking bupropion for a while and do well on it.  I did try the natural stuff but it didn't work for me, i wish it did because i'm not one who likes to take medication.  If i were you i'd try the natural stuff first like exercise and the suggested supplements, i would only take the medication as a last resort.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, September 7, 2012, 3:27pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Mickey
I've been taking bupropion for a while and do well on it.  I did try the natural stuff but it didn't work for me, i wish it did because i'm not one who likes to take medication.  If i were you i'd try the natural stuff first like exercise and the suggested supplements, i would only take the medication as a last resort.


It's easy to see that O's would do very well on a dopamine booster.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, September 7, 2012, 3:36pm; Reply: 10
I don't have a "knee jerk negative reaction to drugs" because I know that, in some situations drugs are literally life savers.

But I do think that drugs are often over-used.  Many people are on drugs who don't need to be, and many who do need drugs are on higher doses than absolutely necessary.

There are numerous natural dopamine-boosters out there. L-tyrosine is just one. Rhodiola root (an herb) is another. Both are contained in one of Dr D's formulas (the name of the product escapes me at the moment.) If one doesn't work, try another, or try a few natural things in combination, or play around with the doses of each ingredient. Make sure you're exercising consistently, eating enough red meat (and animal proteins in general) and avoiding the "avoid" foods.

If you're doing all that, and it's still not enough, then medication may be needed.  But chances are you'll do well on a low dose if you're also exercising and eating right. Combining herbs and drugs needs to be done cautiously; sometimes it's safer to stop the herbs and amino acids if you're taking a pharmaceutical that does the same thing.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, September 7, 2012, 3:54pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't have a "knee jerk negative reaction to drugs" because I know that, in some situations drugs are literally life savers.

But I do think that drugs are often over-used.  Many people are on drugs who don't need to be, and many who do need drugs are on higher doses than absolutely necessary.

There are numerous natural dopamine-boosters out there. L-tyrosine is just one. Rhodiola root (an herb) is another. Both are contained in one of Dr D's formulas (the name of the product escapes me at the moment.) If one doesn't work, try another, or try a few natural things in combination, or play around with the doses of each ingredient. Make sure you're exercising consistently, eating enough red meat (and animal proteins in general) and avoiding the "avoid" foods.

If you're doing all that, and it's still not enough, then medication may be needed.  But chances are you'll do well on a low dose if you're also exercising and eating right. Combining herbs and drugs needs to be done cautiously; sometimes it's safer to stop the herbs and amino acids if you're taking a pharmaceutical that does the same thing.


True - I'm just mentally entertaining the idea, since O's do well on it. ;)
Posted by: stephanieelisej, Monday, October 15, 2012, 11:39pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Christopher1


It's easy to see that O's would do very well on a dopamine booster.


Looks good for BTO's, especially those with hypoadrenia or adrenal fatigue. I tend towards hypotension (sometimes as low as 75/55) so I'm going to look into this for myself !

:) good find !
Posted by: BluesSinger, Monday, October 15, 2012, 11:56pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Christopher1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion

I have been looking at this drug for a while now. I know several people who are on it and love it--they are all O's.

I'm sure it would be bad for A's, B's, and AB's, but O's may find benefit from Bupropion. Thoughts?

I know this is a naturopathic forum, so a lot of people will have a negative knee-jerk reaction to a drug.

I'm just curious if I can raise my dopamine levels even more, which I (as an O) have often struggled with (even with tyrosine supplementation). :)



I did this for awhile.  I went to a diet doctor who prescribed it.  I was on it for like 6 months.  The entire time I would have extreme hot flashes.. to the point of flat out dripping.  It was awful.  For awhile it worked as far as making me not want to eat junk. But then it stopped working.  I got off of it and became ravenous for junk and couldn't stop.

In the midst of that agnst ridden time.. I stumbled upon The Mood Cure by Julia Ross.  I highly recommend getting it - it's cheap, and will guide you to what 'you personally' need to do.  I cannot recommend it enough.  

I took the tests in the book and ended up taking 4 of the amino acid supp's they recommend.  I am a new person and finally got to the point where I could handle the cravings without them driving me to the store to buy a load of junk to eat.  This gave me the time frame needed to get going on my Swami compliance.  

I would try this first before any chemical laden pill.  Plus you don't stay on these forever.. it will describe in the book how you slowly get your brain chemistry back in order and then wean off the amino's.  

Much luck!


Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:14am; Reply: 14
Saved my life, probably.  I'm glad I don't need it anymore though as it did have a weird long-lasting side-effect.

That being said, it worked well for me when I needed it, much better than SSRIs.  Then I found BTD and that along with intense exercise helped me wean off it.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 5:16am; Reply: 15
Hypnotherapy works nicely as we'll.  Last fall that was all I needed.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, October 18, 2012, 7:17am; Reply: 16
isn't that also a MAO inhibitor ??).... :-/
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