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Posted by: mpolyglottos, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 1:26pm
Any of you have any success with Targeted Amino Acid Therapy (through the company Neuroscience)?

I'm only on a small dose of Prozac (5 mg liquid).
After committing to the BTD in April 2011, my tic disorder went into complete remission, my mood improved, as did my "physical" ailments--digestive problems, constant pain and fatigue, etc.
I've read numerous threads here where BTD folks testify to no longer needing medication due to the power of eating clean.
I did the Neuroscience thing 6 years ago but to no avail--of course I wasn't eating clean back then so I'm likely comparing apples to oranges.
Now I'm at a crossroads--my baseline is quite shaky. Not sure if the above-mentioned alternative treatment is meant to help things on a clinical level. Of course I never dreamed the BTD would be as powerful as it has proven to be.
My homeopath is recommending I try it again, but I'm growing weary of the alternative stuff--it's just so vague and weird sometimes. The Western folks may be dogmatic but at least they're grounded in the empirical.
Alas, the MDs throw me pills and the CAMs throw me expensive supps....
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 1:39pm; Reply: 1
Prozac works by keeping your body from breaking down seratonin, which very slowly raises the level of seratonin in the brain (while simultaneously preventing seratonin from being broken down into melatonin, thus interfering with sleep.) 5-HTP is an amino acid supplement that the body easily converts into seratonin, so it increases seratonin in the brain rather quickly (within hours, not weeks like Prozac) and encourages more melatonin production, instead of inhibiting it.

5-HTP is listed in the "stress protocol" for  non-secretors of all blood types, though not for secretors.

I struggled with depression for all of my adult life and part of my childhood too. I've been on several different antidepressants, and Prozac worked the best for me. But it didn't work 100%, I would have depressive episodes even while taking it. Even doses as high as 60mg a day couldn't completely prevent it.

I weaned myself off Prozac and onto 5-HTP about 6 years ago. Ideally, I would have done it with medical supervision, but the doctors I was working with at the time weren't helpful so I took my health into my own hands. I didn't want to stay on drugs forever, especially when they weren't really helping me anyway.

I stopped using the 5-HTP when I first went on BTD, since I read that Dr D didn't recommend the supplement. But I continued to struggle with depression off and on, and I re-introduced the supplement when I found out my secretor status last year. It helped immensely and immediately.

I was taking 100 mg of 5-HTP a day for a while, went through another rough spot, and increased it to 200 mg. I'm still taking that dose now, but I'm toying with the idea of lowering it again. If I do, I'll wait until the kids are back in school and we've established a good routine.

My mental health still isn't perfect. If I'm careless with my diet, I'll suffer. If I let my sleep cycle get off track, depressive symptoms return. And regular exercise is absolutely essential for keeping me mentally stable. Using appropriate Bach Flower Remedies is another tool I use for mental health.
Posted by: mpolyglottos, Sunday, August 26, 2012, 1:12pm; Reply: 2
looks like i might be on the bipolar spectrum, so i'll need to stabilize things with an anti-convulsant before experimenting with 5HTP. last week i threw down some GABA and it wigged me out so i'll postpone that as well.
interesting what u say about prozac not being very helpful for depression. since the BTD, i haven't really struggled with depression--unless i cheat of course. 4.5 years ago my depression was so severe i was on 100mg of zoloft, still depressed, and had to do intensive acupunture for 6 months--once or twice per week. it was heaven on earth, but very expensive. i can't believe how powerful getting off wheat has been--i wish it was all i needed to do to be healthy. but the damage is done, and i'm not a quick-learner : )
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, August 26, 2012, 4:40pm; Reply: 3
I use a small dose of Prozac (avg. 15 mg/day) to help with anxiety. I find that I sleep better with it than without it. I also take 200 mg Lamictal for my "bipolar" depression". I don't quite agree with the diagnosis, but the medicine helps. I've been on BTD since 2007. I expect to get off the meds eventually, but I can't put my life on hold until I'm healed, so I will keep using them, and gladly, until I'm healed enough to manage comfortably without them.
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, August 26, 2012, 11:08pm; Reply: 4
I was taking zoloft and i felt it helped when i needed it.  I think i took it longer than i needed it, if i ever even needed it period (starting in 10th grade).  Took zoloft from 1997-2005

It began to hold me back and give me too much serotonin i felt.  I also took adderrall recreationally on occassion, and even lost a job because of it in 09, after taking it for one week.  I became very manic and pretty much walked out of a good job because the adderrall magnified all the annoying things, and thought i could easily find something better in a week :o

Have yet to match the pay of that job, but much better things are coming soon, and i learned i am chemically sensitive.  When i was 2, i went beserk after taking a med that was supposed to sedate me before a surgery.

Now i take nothing and only drink alcohol in moderate amounts.  I feel i function better than i ever have eating well and using appropriate exercise, along with having God central in my life.  I always was pretty health conscious, but now i know i am better off the way i was made than having to be chemically altered to live in today's world, as in any other time.

I feel that these medicines definately save and improve lives and have good uses, but i also feel they are prescribed to readily, and have the potential for dependence.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, August 27, 2012, 8:10am; Reply: 5
I don't think that Prozac is given in be-polar sickness.... here merely neuroleptica are  in the therapeutic approach and yup no amino's for bi-polar disorder might create a very long maniac phase..... :-/(hand)

I observe that most nonnies do need muchmore time to come along from all SSRI's...
in case of depressions I really recommend or sam-e or l'tyrosine...... better and easier to handle then withdrawals of SSRI's.... a lot of my clients with those problems do have a hard time to taper off those meds.... :-/ :o :P

and indeed can't loose the idea that those are made to keep peeople into dependancy !!! :X(mad)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Monday, August 27, 2012, 9:49am; Reply: 6
I totally agree Isa , they need  these people become addicts ! profit is the key...
Posted by: chrissyA, Monday, August 27, 2012, 3:03pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from mpolyglottos
I never dreamed the BTD would be as powerful as it has proven to be.

(clap)(woot)(sunny)(dance)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, August 27, 2012, 8:05pm; Reply: 8
5-HTP isn't a good choice if you're prone to manic episodes. It works well for me personally, and I trust that supplements exist for other individuals, but I'm not the one to figure out exactly who needs what or in what dosages.

I'm very thankful that psych meds exist for those who truly need them (such as TJ- I remember his posts trying to wean off them, and fully agree with his decision to go back on.) But the meds are often over-used; for people who don't need them in the first place, or they're used in too high a dose and/or for too long. Not all doctors follow the motto "use the smallest effective dose for the shortest effective amount of time."
Posted by: mpolyglottos, Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 12:56pm; Reply: 9
thanks for the input, folks. painting a good "mosaic" for me--confirming my experience as usual...
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 3:20am; Reply: 10
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Prozac works by keeping your body from breaking down seratonin, which very slowly raises the level of seratonin in the brain (while simultaneously preventing seratonin from being broken down into melatonin, thus interfering with sleep.) 5-HTP is an amino acid supplement that the body easily converts into seratonin, so it increases seratonin in the brain rather quickly (within hours, not weeks like Prozac) and encourages more melatonin production, instead of inhibiting it.

5-HTP is listed in the "stress protocol" for  non-secretors of all blood types, though not for secretors.

I struggled with depression for all of my adult life and part of my childhood too. I've been on several different antidepressants, and Prozac worked the best for me. But it didn't work 100%, I would have depressive episodes even while taking it. Even doses as high as 60mg a day couldn't completely prevent it.

I weaned myself off Prozac and onto 5-HTP about 6 years ago. Ideally, I would have done it with medical supervision, but the doctors I was working with at the time weren't helpful so I took my health into my own hands. I didn't want to stay on drugs forever, especially when they weren't really helping me anyway.

I stopped using the 5-HTP when I first went on BTD, since I read that Dr D didn't recommend the supplement. But I continued to struggle with depression off and on, and I re-introduced the supplement when I found out my secretor status last year. It helped immensely and immediately.

I was taking 100 mg of 5-HTP a day for a while, went through another rough spot, and increased it to 200 mg. I'm still taking that dose now, but I'm toying with the idea of lowering it again. If I do, I'll wait until the kids are back in school and we've established a good routine.

My mental health still isn't perfect. If I'm careless with my diet, I'll suffer. If I let my sleep cycle get off track, depressive symptoms return. And regular exercise is absolutely essential for keeping me mentally stable. Using appropriate Bach Flower Remedies is another tool I use for mental health.


I really think exercise is important for everyone, whether it is yoga and meditation type exercise or cardio depending on fitness level and genotype wiring.  My wife is a gatherer and she takes meds right now.  Wish she would exercise as gatherers should, which is a pretty good amount of moderate to more intense, and prob should have some yoga and stretching type exercise.  Her back was injured in a car wreck ten years ago.  Dr. D says gatherers are "exercise challenged" which seems to be true in this case.  
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 12:33pm; Reply: 11
one of the adhd kids now 27.. is on for him-new meds for pypolar.not Lithium. he seems to think it really is helping him  with self image and more willingness with verbal self expression .. while ADD meds did not. .. He is now going back to College! self initiated and enthusiastic.. hope..

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