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Posted by: Yvonne869, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 2:26pm
I am new to this way of eating and am confused. I am blood type B and am trying to understand what I see written.

I can not find edamame or chia seeds on any of the lists I have seen so far and so my first two questions are to find out what, if anything, is known about whether blood type B can eat either:

1. If eggs are OK for blood type B though chicken is to be avoided, are edamame, which are an immature form of soybean, OK for blood type B though soybeans are to be avoided? I thought it might be possible that they, also, may be too immature to have as yet developed the problematic (for blood type B) traits of the more mature soybean. Does anyone know??

2. Are chia seeds OK for blood type B??

My third question has to do with what seems like disagreement about the consequences of eating chicken for blood type B in different books by D'Adamo.

3. In one place (the book BLOOD TYPE B  FOOD, BEVERAGE and SUPPLEMENT LISTS, on page 3), I see written that chicken is to be avoided because of its affect on insulin production but, in another (the book EAT RIGHT 4 YOUR BLOOD TYPE  THE INDIVIDUALIZED ... on page 149), I see that chicken is to be avoided as its lectins may attack the bloodstream and may lead to strokes and immune disorders (auto-immune problems such as such as allergies and arthritis??) … can anyone explain this??

My fourth question may seem like an odd question for a forum about diet but, since the skin is the largest organ and does absorb into the system - though totally independent of the process of digestion, I wonder if any of the rules that apply for diet, also, apply for skin care products.

4. I have been using coconut oil on my skin but see coconut oil on my "avoid" list. I was told that coconut oil "flocculates serum or precipitates serum protein" but I do not know what this means. Can I safely continue to ignore this as far as applying coconut oil externally only??

And, finally, when I started to browse through the posts here, the first thing that hit me was reference to being a "gatherer" and I was not sure what was being said.

5. Does D'Dadamo think that, for some blood type B people, a vegetarian diet is better ... is this what is meant by being a "gatherer" and, if so, how do I clarify if this is the case for me?

Thanks in advance for any assistance given.


Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 2:44pm; Reply: 1
Hi, treat edamame as a soybean, as common sense would dictate.

Chickens and eggs have very different compositions. The problem with chicken is a lectin. That lectin is not in the egg.

Chia is unrated and thus neutral. It is rated for GTD, you may wish to see how it is rated for Nomads.

Gatherer is part of the GTD diet system. For BTD there is no need to worry about it. It is not a vegetarian diet, although a B could get by on one. Vegetarian diets are not specifically suggested for B types.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 3:29pm; Reply: 2
I do not eat chickens.. I am O .. I would not give a B chicken.. only in real starving emergencies..

no need there is turkey and meat ..

B's can eat so much food.. eat what is Super BENEFICIAL.. and you will not be hungry...
Posted by: Yvonne869, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 3:37pm; Reply: 3
To LLoyd from Yvonne869:

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Do you know for sure that edamame and more mature soybeans share the same composition or are you just assuming it because it seems like common sense? Everybody's thought process works differently. My common sense indicated that they may or may not share the same composition since all things change as they develop and have different traits at different points and, not being familiar with edamame, I have no idea at what point they take on all the traits of the mature soybean. Being ignorant of the real facts here, I did not want to rely only on what seemed common sense. Yes, I have read of the lectins in the muscles of chickens which are not in eggs and that is exactly why I am asking for clarification as it seemed an analogous situation.

Being new, I had to look up "GTD" as I had never heard of it. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I will research it further.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 3:50pm; Reply: 4
Yvonne,

Soybean lectin is present in the less mature form as well. Soybean is neutral for B secretors http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?385 but is not advised. Other forms of soy have this for all B's: AVOID: Contains lectin or other agglutinin. Metabolic inhibitor.

So, as a metabolic inhibitor and with an unfavorable lectin, even in the more favorable form of a whole bean I would tend to avoid soy as a B.

There is sometimes a difference in the mature/less mature food forms and those are listed. In the case of the chicken and the egg, while they are biologically related they are really two different foods. Much like Olives and olive oil, cows and milk or butter, and so on.

Take your time and review the material available on site, which is plentiful.
Posted by: Yvonne869, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 3:53pm; Reply: 5
To Goldie from Yvonne869:

Thanks for your prompt reply.

You seem to have misunderstood my question. I was not asking whether chicken is OK for blood type B as the literature makes it quite clear that it is not in this diet.

I was asking about edamame, chia seeds and the apparent disagreement in D'Adamao's books when describing the consequences of eating chicken for blood type B ... but thanks anyway for your reply.

I have symptoms and so it is important, to me, to be clear what symptoms may be related to what food. If the books do not seem to agree on this, it makes it hard for me to assess if I may be in the right direction. Of course, over the long haul, time and trial and error tell all ... but it would be nice to start with a sense of direction even if it gets revised later.
Posted by: Yvonne869, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 4:10pm; Reply: 6
To LLoyd from Yvonne869:

Thanks for your continued communication and the link.

All of this is quite new to me as I just discovered this website and forum and "plentiful" is an understatement. It will take time to go through it all and I am just beginning. I have no idea if I am a "secretor" and so that is one more thing to try and understand.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 8:21pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Yvonne869
3. In one place (the book BLOOD TYPE B  FOOD, BEVERAGE and SUPPLEMENT LISTS, on page 3), I see written that chicken is to be avoided because of its affect on insulin production but, in another (the book EAT RIGHT 4 YOUR BLOOD TYPE  THE INDIVIDUALIZED ... on page 149), I see that chicken is to be avoided as its lectins may attack the bloodstream and may lead to strokes and immune disorders (auto-immune problems such as such as allergies and arthritis??) … can anyone explain this??

I did not remember the chicken lectin reportedly affecting insulin activity, but went looking in the books I have and in Live Right 4 Your Type - pg. 238, there is a table of Type B Health Risk factors in which there are 2 instances showing that "Lectins create insulin resistance" or Insulin resistance is an increased risk.  It doesn't specifically state that it is (or is not) the lectin in chicken being spoken of, though.  

It also states that "Lectins slow metabolism."

It sounds like both are risks of the lectins that affect Type B.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 8:32pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Yvonne869
5. Does D'Dadamo think that, for some blood type B people, a vegetarian diet is better ... is this what is meant by being a "gatherer" and, if so, how do I clarify if this is the case for me?

In Live Right 4 Your Type pg. 250, one of the Keys is "Eat small to moderate portions of high-quality, lean, organic meat several times a week for strength, energy and efficient metabolism..."

The next key is to "Include regular portions of richly oiled cold-water fish.  Fish oils can boost your metabolism."

This doesn't sound like Dr. D. expects Type B to be vegetarian.  

To get the most individualized diet possible at this time, you would want to get SWAMiXpress:
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 10:53pm; Reply: 9
Edamame is considered soybean, since there is no separate rating for edamame as opposed to the mature soybean. Similarly, cherry tomatoes, grape tomatoes, and beefsteak tomatoes are all considered "tomatoes" on BTD, since there are no separate listings for each item.

Milk is considered separate from yogurt and each kind of cheese has its own rating. Chicken and eggs are different foods, as you've noticed. But when the different forms are not specified, then you assume all forms of the food share the same rating.

Chia seeds are not rated in BTD. Dr D simply hadn't encountered them when he was doing BTD research. By the time he'd discovered this food and researched it, he was working on Genotype Diet. This food is rated for Genotype Diet and for the SWAMI software.

As a B, you can either be a Gatherer, an Explorer, or a Nomad. Chia seeds are beneficial for Gatherers and Nomads, and neutral for Explorers. Therefore, it's safe to assume that they're compliant for Bs. Yes, it's possible for an individual B to have them as an "avoid" on a personalized SWAMI, but it's not likely.

There are many reasons that chicken is an unhealthy choice for most B's. In different books, Dr D has listed different reasons. Remember that the books sold in bookstores are all "watered down" in terms of how he explains the science, because he's writing to the "average Joe" and not to fellow scientists. You can find much more detail about the science on this website, his blogs, and the textbook he wrote.
Posted by: Yvonne869, Friday, July 27, 2012, 4:22pm; Reply: 10
To ABJoe from Yvonne869:

Thanks for your replies. As with your experience, none of what I saw written on chicken mentioned the lectins in chicken interfering with insulin production though I did see this for lectins in other foods ... until I read the little pocket-sized list book for blood type B by D'Adamo ...  and I was surprised.

Another reply is suggesting each of these are partial explanations and a more complete explanation is to be found in more comprehensive sources (see reply from ruthiegirl) such as his website and textbooks. I am just now beginning to explore website.
Posted by: Yvonne869, Friday, July 27, 2012, 4:37pm; Reply: 11
To ruthiegirl from Yvonne869:

Thanks for your reply especially your comment that, as a B, I can either be a Gatherer, an Explorer, or a Nomad; I do not yet understand what that means but another reply (see Lloyd) mentioned a GTD diet system which he says rates chia seeds and, also, mentioned Gatherers and Nomads in his reference to the GTD diet system ... it seems that the two of you are talking about the same thing.

I have a lot of homework ahead of me. I am planning to spend some time with D'Adamo's website this weekend.

Thanks a lot
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 27, 2012, 9:25pm; Reply: 12
Genotype Diet is another dietary system that Dr D developed after he finished working on BTD. I think he kept  going because some of his patients did poorly on BTD, and he wanted to know why. In Genotype Diet, blood type is one factor that's used to determine "which diet to follow" but it's not the only factor.

He groups people into six "genotypes" and each genotype has a food list in the book. The Gatherer diet overlaps a little bit with the O diet and the B diet, but is different from either one. Some foods that are beneficial for Bs become "avoids" for Gatherers, while some avoids for Bs are neutral or beneficial for Gatherers. It can be confusing if you're not sure which diet to follow, since some food values change drastically from one system to another.

SWAMI is a  computer program that blends these two systems into an individualized diet for each person. It will assign you a "genotype label" but the food values will vary from any of the published lists. This is "the best" diet of all the diets Dr D has come up with, but it's also more expensive (the whole family can share one book, but you each need to buy your own SWAMI) and not everybody *needs* SWAMI, at least not right away.
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