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Posted by: Mickey, Monday, July 9, 2012, 6:57pm
I've was thinking back to the last time i lost a good amount of weight and i lost alot of it in my belly which is where i store most of my weight.  It was before the BTD and i was on sugar buster's.  Sugar buster's is based on the glycemic index.  I was also training hard for a bike-a-thon so not sure if that has something to do with it to.  But since i've been side lined with plantar fasciitis i'm looking for other ways i can accelerate weight loss, especially in my belly area.

I thought i remember Peppermint Twist stating that she used the glycemic index with the diet to achieve her results but now i can't seem to find that info.?.  She's my inspiration since she is a gatherer, an O and non-secretor just like me.

Thanks!
Mickey
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Monday, July 9, 2012, 7:26pm; Reply: 1
You are on the right track, I think, by thinking about high glycemic index foods.  Especially as it relates to carbs.  I have ditched the white rice and replaced it with brown rice for this reason.  If I eat white rice, it is only basmati, as it is low glycemic.  Gatherers are different from Teachers, so it may be different with you than with me.  But, I personally think it matters for all of us in terms of weight loss.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, July 9, 2012, 7:38pm; Reply: 2
I don't really give it much thought, because all the foods on my SWAMI are low on the GI index.  The only foods that aren't are the fruits, and I don't do well on them. I'm supposed to eat 1/2 cup a day, but most days I don't eat any at all ,except for an ounce or so of fruit juice in green tea (genoharmonic combination.)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:25pm; Reply: 3
The Gi Index is pretty flawed when you research it. stick with swami.
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 12:12am; Reply: 4
Mickey would the plantar fascitis stop you from rowing?

The only way that I would be willing to modify my Swami is use it to build a parallel.

I did well with a highly restrictive diet where I had two restriction-free meals per week.  Breakfast was oatmeal, lunch was tuna with limited mayo, limited grains, and as much celery or carrot as I wanted, and dinner was the same as lunch.

My Swami parallel would be quinoa and a egg for breakfast, my usual spicy fish/veggie stirfry for lunch, and a alternating red meat / turkey stirfry for dinner.

Copy the general pattern of the food from your successful past, but tweek it to follow the food selection and portion control of Swami.

You are still eating on your Swami, but might benefit from the different pattern.

Don't forget that Gatherers and Nomads are second to Hunters and Explorers in the need for vigorous exercise.  Exericse is the "forgotten" food group.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 1:11am; Reply: 5
Yes.  My SWAMI is too carb-rich for me.  Maple syrup and agave nectar are super beneficial!  They really need to be black dots for me. Probably true of the white rice, too.

A general Glycemic Index of foods is a good start, but how our bodies convert any given food to glucose might be different.  And it might change depending on the time of day or time of year or your level of activity.  We should follow our bodies.

Good luck!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 1:13am; Reply: 6
swami does the math for you, as long as you input it right
Posted by: Mickey, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 1:42am; Reply: 7
Thanks for your replies!!!  :)


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Don't forget that Gatherers and Nomads are second to Hunters and Explorers in the need for vigorous exercise.  Exericse is the "forgotten" food group.

Paul,
I haven't exercised in over a month due to my plantar fasciitis and i know from experience how important it is for weight loss, especially considering that i'm an O and a Gatherer?.  I don't have a rowing machine so that wouldn't work out for me, i'm thinking of trying out my rebounder and seeing how that goes.  I read that if you have plantar fasciitis you shouldn't rebound without shoes.

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swami does the math for you, as long as you input it right

Lola,
What do you mean by this?.  Is there something in particular that i should check in order for the glycemic index to be figured into my swami?.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 2:28am; Reply: 8
In SWAMI Xpress glycemic tolerance is figured for everyone and used in food ratings where appropriate.   In SWAMI GenoType the practitioner can adjust how glycemic values are handled.

Since you are using SWAMI Xpress, correctly record weight, height, activity level,  family history, and lab data. Then as Lola indicates above SWAMI will do the math to figure out how Glycemic values should be handled. Whether a particular food has high or low glycemic values is stored in a database and that is used in calculating the rating of each food.
Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 2:32am; Reply: 9
I definately incorporate low glycemic foods. Grains and juices are avoids, sugars are black dots. I use the food ratings as my guide but ditch all the carby foods. They have never worked and never will. I eat the beneficial proteins, veggies and fats then throw in some veg proteins once in awhile and ignore the rest. But that's just me...
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 2:51am; Reply: 10
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Dr. D:
If folks just drop their guard for a while, relax and run with it, they should find that when the  time comes to compare outcomes, these diets will
outperform anything out there, and at least in 70-80% of the cases, my own prior work.  The food choices are just a lot more information intensive.


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the glycemic index is a more simple way of
looking at carbohydrate recations that the
BTD/lectin relationship, since the effects of
lectin on insulin metabolism, lipolysis and
carbohydrate endocytosis  essentially creates
a second set of GI values that are unique to
the ABO/secretor types.  A and AB
hypoglycemics tend to start off rocky with the
BTD, simply because it is forcing them to
restart old machinery that has withered away.
Any other way become like the old man who
eventually lives in one room of his mansion to
save on heating: In order to have day-to-day
'good feelings' we instead forgo  the chance
of wider function.

Do some liver and adrenal support and you will
get through it.

Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 3:14am; Reply: 11
Mickey... Yes as a Gatherer and diabetic I would do loads of things to chose the one food over the other.. like I like pineapple so why not have it, fresh cut, one slice at a time. One pineapple lasts me a week.  Bananas I love to have -but it is most likely spiking my sugars.. I can hardly walk past one of those emotional  yellow things, beckening me to recreate my days with Grand mama.

I hardly eat rice or for that matter nothing WHITE. I am currently choosing Trehalose over sugar (gave up sugar as on additive years ago) / yet still eat many items out of my home that have sugar in them.  Trehalose supposedly does not spike insulin.

90% chocolate is less sugary, and I learned to like it.

I love peas sometimes from a can with salad dressing, but I think hard before I ever buy it because I am certain it is high on the glycemic index, the salad dressing certainly will be.

It is no effort to combine sugar busters and BTD thinking, the only place I have issues, I do not eat enough of the  good fats/oils, and as a result I might be prone to eat more of other foods.  


Having the issues with plantar's might go back to some lack of foods you're body needs.. Doing heavy stressful exercises in my book require a full assortment of foods.  

To drop belly fat, there is no way as gatherer.you can slimm down but the front will always be bigger than the backside.-- oh well-- OR it can only be achieved with a diet not connected to BTD ** even though you can still eat BTD foods but in another method. and it takes great determination. Doing heavy taxing sports will not ALLOW the body to be stress free: ergo: belly fat is ours to keep.  ** ask me privately.. what is your weight to size ratio?

Posted by: yvonneb, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 9:45pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
The Gi Index is pretty flawed when you research it.


Forget Glycemic INDEX- it is flawed. Glycemic LOAD is the one you want!
Posted by: shoulderblade, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 10:14pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Mother
I definately incorporate low glycemic foods. Grains and juices are avoids, sugars are black dots. I use the food ratings as my guide but ditch all the carby foods. They have never worked and never will. I eat the beneficial proteins, veggies and fats then throw in some veg proteins once in awhile and ignore the rest. But that's just me...


I would agree with that. SWAMI is not designed as a straight jacket. It allows a wide selection of choices, graded as to quality, from which you can select based on various factors. If you wish to choose low glycemic items you can do so and still remain compliant. It is a matter of selection to meet your own ends.

My SWAMI is very low glycemic friendly so I have not given adjustments a lot of thought.

Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 11:06pm; Reply: 14
When I eat the SWAMI starches and sugars, I get arthritic as well as ride the blood sugar roller coaster, not to mention weight gain and fatigue. I don't "do" the glycemic index thing, I just eat low carb. IF I feel I need more carbs, that is when I have a bit of fruit. It doesn't take much to feel balanced for me. However, carbs in quantity, in general, no matter what their GI or GL will always unbalance me. It is nice however to know that if I want to go carb crazy ( or hormone crazy) I know which ones to have:)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 2:39am; Reply: 15
http://www.dadamo.com/GenoType/7GTDflowchart.jpg
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 2:53pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from SquarePeg
Yes.  My SWAMI is too carb-rich for me.  Maple syrup and agave nectar are super beneficial!  They really need to be black dots for me. Probably true of the white rice, too.


What are the portion sizes? I'm willing to bet that you're not supposed to have more than about one teaspoon per day of added sweeteners, total. Even if you have 10 different super-beneficial sweeteners, you can't have all 10 on the same day (unless you mix them all together and have one teaspoon of the mixture.)
Posted by: lann1958, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 3:09pm; Reply: 17
i just do the btd, ive thought about getting swami but i keep seeing posts that say that the foods swami says are beneficial , produce somesort of negative affect. and why would wmi say sweeteners are
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 3:41pm; Reply: 18
More information on SWAMI diets can be found at:
http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp
http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm
find out how food rates for you individually, given your personal variables.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 4:57pm; Reply: 19
;D ;D ;D LOL
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 7:48pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from ruthiegirl

What are the portion sizes? I'm willing to bet that you're not supposed to have more than about one teaspoon per day of added sweeteners, total. Even if you have 10 different super-beneficial sweeteners, you can't have all 10 on the same day (unless you mix them all together and have one teaspoon of the mixture.)
Thanks, Ruthie.  You're probably right.

I don't have the full report available (just the reference card), but I'm pretty sure the sweeteners were listed as 1 tsp as needed.  Besides, I recall that the GTD book describes Super Bennies as foods you should have as much as possible.  Well, for someone as addicted to sweets as I am, naturally I did have them as much as possible.  I *need* sweets every half hour or more.  So it works for me to treat sweeteners as Black Dot.  White rice probably does have a sensible frequency stated, although I'm sure my ND would say that any white rice is too much.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 8:00pm; Reply: 21
Okay, I don't want to entirely berate SWAMI.  I do think it's better than BTD, which is far better than GTD.  For me.

What SWAMI does exceedingly well is it sorts out all the dairy for me.  As an O- Explorer, that in itself was worth the price.

But I really think the folks who put all their trust in it are misguided.  Sorry Lola.

As for Glycemic Index, I don't understand how SWAMI can consider that.  It doesn't know what foods you're combining it with.  If I have white rice alone, it will convert more quickly to glucose.  But if I have it with ghee and asparagus and lamb, it will convert more slowly.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 8:24pm; Reply: 22
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Some superfoods are noted with a diamond character (◊). These are extra-special super-foods with the ability to enhance weight loss, increase immunity and slow down aging. These foods should be consumed frequently [emphasis mine].


- from http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm

To be fair, I did not enter into SWAMI my secretor status and whether I'm a prop taster, as these are unknown.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 5:17am; Reply: 23
here SPeg

explained by Dr D himself.....beware the complexity
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1202698596/s-13/highlight-Glycemic/#num13

consider doing a secretor test

if you find swami is somehow misguiding you.....

have you tried running your swami as a nonnie?

just for curiosity sake, and compare food listings if these change somewhat
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 6:24pm; Reply: 24
Thank you for the link and for the suggestion.  I've thought of indicating nonnie -- I sometimes assume I am a nonnie, like when debating whether to eat avocado. ;)

I might also indicate diabetes, since I'd probably have it by now if I ate the SAD mindlessly every day.

The entire thread that you linked to is very interesting, and I very much appreciate how you highlighted Glycemic!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 8:05pm; Reply: 25
Starting a new thread on this....
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 11:28pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from SquarePeg
Thank you for the link and for the suggestion.  I've thought of indicating nonnie -- I sometimes assume I am a nonnie, like when debating whether to eat avocado. ;)
Question - how does "assuming you are a nonnie" help when "debating whether to eat avocado"? Won't you either react to it or not?
I am "supposed" to be a nonnie but I cannot seem to tolerate avocadoes (or coconut oil) but do tolerate cabbage very well... That leads me to strongly suspect my secretor status was wrong... :-/
Interested in what your reaction to avocadoes is?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, July 13, 2012, 1:05am; Reply: 27
Quoted from Possum
Question - how does "assuming you are a nonnie" help when "debating whether to eat avocado"? Won't you either react to it or not?


I am not sure it is that clear cut.

I know O secretors that do fine sometimes if they eat avocado and not other times. It seems to be somewhat related to how much they eat and how recently they have eaten avocado.

Posted by: Possum, Friday, July 13, 2012, 1:16am; Reply: 28
Good point C_sharp... I think it is probably that way for a lot of people, seeing as avocados are associated with histamine levels... :-/ That's what makes it so tricky to know with reactions, seeing as they can come & go, depending on what else you have eaten that day, or even the day before?!
Posted by: wanthanee, Friday, July 13, 2012, 1:30am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Lola
swami does the math for you, as long as you input it right


I wish I can have my swami too. ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, July 13, 2012, 7:49am; Reply: 30
The glycemic index for us here is less important per se, but it helps to sort foods with it in mind.. Swami or the book diets all have a different angle, some things change and change over time also, others stay the same, but SUDDENLY you may realize that you don't need that much sugar any more .. sort of get weaned down to manageable portions..

When I started the diet what was important for ME was never to be hungry.. I have a fear of it.  I ate to be full a pound of meat meant nothing as did anything else as long as it was on my Beneficial list.. I would not advise it, but it worked for me then to still drop 20 pounds.. a long time ago.. youth helped..

I think the HEALING your gut/intestines/organs, all starts in the brain.. eat enough good stuff and the body will benefit.. slowly..   This is a life time journey.. No one should follow any dictates to 100% but continue to use your brain to discern what works and what does not.. only you can be the judge and jury on that.. for instance just for the fun of it, read up on the Trehalose Complex thread.. It is long, but worth to see the different reactions we all have to it..

For me TC makes it possible for the world to be a good place, and that is a big thing..  it works on me emotionally.. others feel better while still others sleep better..

Here: nothing is a dogma, it is what you wish to make out of it.. for you.. so play with Swami, or the other books and adjust your own lists with likes and dislikes, just know that avoids are listed for some reason.. be fair- if you cheat, and feel lousy, don't blame the diet, - if you are compliant and still don't feel progress, then look at all the labels.. be honest and you will find what food is good for you/ culturally and emotionally, and physically. Time will tell,  and is on your side..   just listen to the body...
Posted by: SquarePeg, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 11:57pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Possum
Question - how does "assuming you are a nonnie" help when "debating whether to eat avocado"? Won't you either react to it or not?
I am "supposed" to be a nonnie but I cannot seem to tolerate avocadoes (or coconut oil) but do tolerate cabbage very well... That leads me to strongly suspect my secretor status was wrong... :-/
Interested in what your reaction to avocadoes is?
I understand that O secretors are supposed to avoid avocado.  But nonnies are allowed to have it.  So if I see an avocado, which I want to eat, I assume I am a nonnie, thereby allowing myself to eat it.

I experience no reaction to avocado.  Then again, the only reaction I experience to coffee (an avoid) is increased energy and alertness -- a good thing.  But I don't think it's as simple as that.  BTW, Coconut oil produces a full feeling in my gut.  Not quite bloating, though.  Thanks for asking!

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 12:03am; Reply: 32
Quoted from SquarePeg
Thanks for asking!
Thanks for answering ;)

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