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Posted by: jtw, Friday, June 22, 2012, 6:26pm
I am hoping the author might pop in and answer this one...

So, I am O type.  Apparently we have problems with blood clotting?  I don't seem to have this problem.  When I bleed it stops within a reasonable amount of time..  But according to the book O types have blood clotting issues.  So..  Ok, so I have been taking magnesium supplements for quite a number of years, it's good for stress and good for the blood and heart. And it is an essential mineral for calcium absorption.  So, ok, I see that we are supposed to eat foods high in calcium or take supplements. But in order to get that to absorb we need magnesium.  Why do I bring this up? Because Magnesium actually thins out the blood.  I'm not a doctor, but I would suspect that thinner blood is more difficult to clot, no?  I know before surgery you're not supposed to take a lot of it because yeah you will bleed more.  

So..  Should I keep taking it?  Or....?

In addition, I seldom take calcium at the moment, but sometimes I do, and of course I take magnesium with it.    But my question above is more about just taking magnesium as a standalone.  I take Magnesium citrate, and anywhere from about 300 to 600mg a day. It's not stable, it's in power form and I don't really measure it out.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 22, 2012, 7:09pm; Reply: 1
:)

how about you look into the cardio vascular book from the health library and follow the guidelines and protocols?

also use the online protocols for your convenience


now if you wish to kick it up a notch, get yourself a swami express and let it write you a personalized diet report for life......it is fabulous

More information on SWAMI diets can be found at:

http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm
find out how food rates for you individually, given your personal variables.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, June 22, 2012, 7:23pm; Reply: 2
Presumably you take the magnesium for a reason. Stop taking it and you may find out you actually do need it.


If you do not know why take it and you think it may have adverse effects for you-- you may want to stop taking it for a few weeks and see what happens.
Posted by: jtw, Saturday, June 23, 2012, 4:38am; Reply: 3
Thank you for both for your replies, however, neither one of you really answered my question...  

Lola, if you noticed my infomraiton under my user name I am in in Asia, I don't have access to an English library.   And you provided links to a SWAMI diet, and I am not understanding the connection here...  The links look interesting, but I am really not seeing any connection. Did you read my post?  Sorry for asking that..  but it seems to me you are just promoting the author's materials...   In addition what does the software provide differently than his books? It seems a lot of the information would just be overlap.  The software may be somewhat more updated, but, really? Is this necessary?

C_sharp, hmmm well.. I take it because it is good to help relax, and it is good to keep the blood thin and it helps with bowel movements. I know what happens when I don't take it, so I take, I don't need to stop again.  

I am quite surprised at the responses to my question.  My question was simply if type Os supposively have problems with clotting then we technically should not take Magnesium suppliments right?  However, I do not think I have any issues with clotting, unless my definition is wrong...  If in fact I do not have clotting issues than I can keep taking it.  The book does not mention anything about Magnesium that I can find so far.  At least in information for Os.  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 23, 2012, 5:36am; Reply: 4
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The software may be somewhat more updated


exactly!!! :)

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it seems to me you are just promoting the author's materials


ofcourse I promote what I believe in and has helped me enormously

FYI the author here is Dr D Adamo, and this is his website

I give guidance and suggest the most updated software designed by Dr D himself...it is as if you were having a private consultation with him at his CT clinic......what could possibly be wrong with that!!!

oh and one more thing, I apply magnesium oil topically daily, and love it!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 23, 2012, 5:49am; Reply: 5
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Os supposively have problems with clotting then we technically should not take Magnesium suppliments right?  However, I do not think I have any issues with clotting, unless my definition is wrong...  If in fact I do not have clotting issues than I can keep taking it.  


??)
may I suggest you use the search window top right hand corner here?
like so:
http://www.bing.com/search?cp=1252&FORM=FREESS&q=magnesium&q1=site%3Adadamo.com


this is a self-help forum and any advice you get here should be taken with a grain of salt and common sense.....adapt what works for you.

swami is in fact personalized, and will compute depending on your individual variables, anthropometric and health history
Posted by: Joyce, Saturday, June 23, 2012, 8:46am; Reply: 6
Quoted from jtw


My question was simply if type Os supposively have problems with clotting then we technically should not take Magnesium suppliments right?  


I belong to a forum specifically for atrial fibrillation [via http://www.yourhealthbase.com]  while BTD isn't usually part of the discussion I have noticed that folk with type O blood decrease their problems by eating paleo style - not very different from Dr D's recommendations for O's  :)

Just about all participants take magnesium glycinate [chelated mag, some in quite high doses] some also take nattokinase to help avoid unwanted clots, and that includes the O's.... some sadly are on rat poison!

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, June 23, 2012, 1:08pm; Reply: 7
Good morning from so far away..

The 'author'  Dr D has moved on and is working on way more advanced learning - since he wrote the books decades ago. You might want to look at N~1 to see the new connections..  
If you are computer capable you can even participate in the new discoveries and make new connections within those programs.  

http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/

To your question.. let me start with: I like Swami because it updates new info whenever I change something, and yet it stays the same to a large degree.  It addresses my dairy issues, I like a little and in Swami I can have some very specific ones. I like to print out my Swami foods as a shopping lists and they are somewhat updated from the early books. I will input my headache muscle connections and see what will happen soon. (I just discovered the Magnesium connection.)

I am O and I have just recently (2 weeks) added Phillips Milk of Magnesia to my daily intake, just a good swallow, to prevent muscle constrictions and then pain headaches.  It seems to work well for now.  I find that it solved my bathroom issues, a nice effect.

I have not taken it long enough to be able to tell if my blood thinned, My doctor was ok with me taking it in that form - he said it is not absorbed well in any other form -.  I will eventually do a test for it, but not yet.  

As for the worry about clotting, I have the same worry IF I don't take it.  

Meaning, doctors recommend that we take a little aspirin daily, but as O I am not taking it.

And because of Dr D and BTD advising that Vitamin E could cause thinning of O blood I am not taking it either.

The BTD books according to my recollection, say nothing about magnesium and O's clotting, so I feel it is OK to take it for NOW as I do, but it does create nausea for a while, so I will look for FOODS that contain Magnesium and focus on them.  

For me Diamond/Super Beneficials are  medicine.  

I am always focusing on Super Beneficial Diamonds and NOW will compare them to this magnesium list:  For me the muscle tension is a big thing and I am benefiting from the Magnesium connection for NOW, so more of the high magnesium foods on my plate, so that maybe later, I can let go of Phillips Milk of Magnesia...

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm

For me it is IN the learning and comparing.  I do not like supplements.. food works most of the time, and as I learn more I can experiment.

as for Lola- I am always pleased at how fast she answers all questions, day and night..most of the time she is spot on..(thanks Lola LOL  

Give your question a chance .. others will help to answer it....  and as you learn you will know more than just the 'simple' yes and no answers.  All the best and welcome.
Posted by: Tom Martens, Sunday, June 24, 2012, 1:33pm; Reply: 8
Non Secretors typically have thicker blood than do Secretors.  

Do you know your secretor status?

It might explain a lot.   :)
Posted by: jtw, Monday, June 25, 2012, 11:36am; Reply: 9
Thank you all for your replies.

1. The online software is how much more updated than the books are? This is an important question for me, I don't mind spending the money if I am going to get a lot of bang for that additional $60.

2. I was thinking maybe I misread something somewhere...  Do O's have thin blood or thick?  My original questions was about Magneisum thinning blood too much, but I am wondering if I misread the information.  Is it that Os lack blood clotting ability or is it that Os have too much blood clotting ability?  If Os have thin blood already, then I suspect Magneisum is not needed. However, if Os have thick blood then it would be needed.

3. Tom, I have no idea, and I do not think the test is really worth another $60. Especially since I am living overseas it is also not very convenient.  Is this something that can be done at a local hospital to find out rather than sending in the kit through this website?  Is there a more chemical or medical name for this test?

Thanks
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, June 25, 2012, 11:52am; Reply: 10
Type Os tend to have thinner blood- we're less likely to get problematic blood clots inside. I've never read anything (on this forum or in Dr D's books) to suggest that we're prone to excessive bleeding as a result of this. Our blood clots just fine when we have cuts that need to heal.

I use topical magnesium because it's better absorbed than oral forms and I don't trust the additives in oral forms (is the citrate in magnesium citrate made from corn?) If I forget to use it, I get muscle pains- clearly I need the extra magnesium!

There's absoultely no problem taking supplemental magnesium when your body needs it.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 25, 2012, 12:33pm; Reply: 11
The only advantage to swami is a list that can be printed out, and if things change, by getting healthier then Swami changes a little.. If money is not on issue - it is nice to have- it is great to go on line and look things up, it is the modern way of doing things.. BUT it is not needed at all.  The books are perfectly adequate, my books are dog eared from use, I have looked at my Swami list 80 times since I have it..

The test for Magnesium, I think is relatively easy.. take some, until you see your bowls become unstable, or near diarrhea, and then cut down or stop taking it. It gives you clues soon enough.

If it is tooo much then the body will create other ways of telling you what you need to know, like cramping at night, or just INTUITION.. it is all a test.  WHY NOT EAT foods that have minerals in them?  It's much safer and tastes much better.  I am going to concentrate on that starting yesterday - since I had near diarrhea.  I am happy with having taken it for a while every day to clean me out - YET now it is time to change again- Now I will take it only as needed- when I get the first tell-tale signs of muscle tension - which then gives me headaches.. I will NOW use it for 'MY headache prevention' only when needed.  

Rutygirl is using it topically for her issues. WHY ARE you thinking of NEEDing it? Maybe there are other solutions to issues you have..

Taking the non secreter test is possible at your doctors office.  They may have to look it up, it is where I took it. I will try to remember the name, it escapes me just now..    
Posted by: Joyce, Monday, June 25, 2012, 12:39pm; Reply: 12
The only valid lab test for magnesium in our body is testing the content in our red blood cells.
Magnesium oxide, for instance, can cause diarrhoea with absolutely no reference to our cellular magnesium status.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 25, 2012, 1:02pm; Reply: 13
THE ORIGINAL answer to your question is answered :  ... You can not get to much  to affect blood clotting.. you will get diarrhea long before that would happen...

NEXT question? ah yes the secr test.. why not Google it?  

http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm

here is what I found.. do you fit his suggestions. either way?

Posted by: jtw, Monday, June 25, 2012, 3:31pm; Reply: 14
Thank you all for your replies, we're getting there, but not quite.

Ruthiegirl: According to the book Os are at higher risk for a cerebral aneurysm than any other blood type.  Meaning we have a weaking of the walls in the cerebral artery.  If the blood is too thin if we get hit on the head or the artery ruptures we can have a hemmorage.    This is related to a lack of blood clotting factors.  So how to increase blood clotting abilities and strenghen the artery walls?    Indeed our cuts are just fine, I agree.  

I use magnesium citrate which is highly absorbable, but yeah of course if you take too much you'll get the runs.  I built myself up to where I am now, it helps with stools, but I don't get the runs.

Goldie: Well I have the books, so...  haha, I don't really see the need to have another online sorce, but if it is updated, then it is great, but if it is not much different than the books, I see no need.  

I am not sure I need to test for magnesium, I never mentioned I wanted to test for it, I only asked if I can take it due to blood clotting issues in Os. And I don't even know if I have a blood clotting issue as stated in the books.   I need to take over 800mg of magneisum to get the runs, what I take daily helps with bowls, but that's about it.  My stress is mildly reduced and my muscles are a little less tense.  I probably should be taking more.

I have done a lot of reading on magneisum, it is useful for all sorts of health issues as well as the fact that people generally do not get enough of it in their daily diets. I read the Magneisum Factor about 5 years ago as well as found many useful online resources for magneisum.  This is why I take it.

Are you sure doing the secreter test is possible at a doctor's office?  I looked it up in google and only found this website as a resource.  I highly doubht any doctor I go to is going to know what I am talking about.  Is there another chemical name or blood test name for this test other than secretor and non-secreter? Again I am going to have to do this locally, and frankly don't want to spend $60 on a blood test when I am sure I can do it here for about $5, if that is this is a normal blood test... Now if it is Dr. D'Adamo's thing only, then there is only one way and that is to order his kit. And this is what I am asking....

Joyce: I am not sure who you are replying to, but I never asked to do a magnesium test. If you want real numbers, yes you have to go do a blood chemistry test. I don't need to do this.  Oxide is not absorbable, it is the worst kind you could take by the way...  

Goldie: See above....  I am not sure my question is answered..  Can I take it without risk of overly thinning the blood?

Yep the website you found is this author's website, and that is not what I want, I need to know if a normal lab can do this or not...  and what the name of the test is.
Posted by: Eric, Monday, June 25, 2012, 3:56pm; Reply: 15
jtw,

Just my personal anecdote, but I've been taking Mg for 2 years and have never had a clotting problem.  I'm pretty active and subsequently more accident-prone than most.  Blood stops just fine :)

D'Adamo does talk about bleeding problems for type O, and I can attest.  As a teenager I would bleed for hours from a nick of a razor, but no longer.

Very few labs will/can do a secretor test.  Only way possible is if they possess Lewis (Le) antibodies, and know what to look for.  (Le a- b+ = secretor, Le a+ b- = non-secretor)
Posted by: Eric, Monday, June 25, 2012, 4:07pm; Reply: 16
Or for $454 you can test yourself!  (j/k, not recommended)

http://www.lsbio.com/Antibodies/Lewis-A-Blood-Group-Antigen-Antibody-LS-C46047/45863

http://www.lsbio.com/Antibodies/Lewis-B-Blood-Group-Antigen-Antibody-LS-C46049/45865
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 25, 2012, 4:31pm; Reply: 17
Yap.. here it is..the test shown above.. doctors mostly have to look it up..

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I probably should be taking more.


YOUR body knows what it needs.. You are taking just enough not to get the runs.. good enough..

Why are some of you responses to some answers so 'sensitive' Why be under stress if you are taking Mag?  What else is going on?  Did you look at the food list that have most Magnesium? are you including them?

O's have no worry about clotting issues, if we do what is advised in the books.. EAT RIGHT.. no aspirin, no Vit E..  

It is the clotting of our blood with grains and dairy products that would cause clotting internally, and then cause the bigger issues.

The answer is still: Best to try and decide what is good for your body.. I might do well with my supplement, others with varicose veins might do well with cream on magnesium to soften (by strengthening) the blood vessels.  One of the biggest answers here is always YOUR personal individualized body responses TODAY! not tomorrow, nor yesterday.    

Imagine if we still ate all the foods on our avoid list???  NOT doing so is the only responsibility I have to my body self..  and on here, it is a given that we understand THAT to be the biggest advantage of coming here, refinements notwithstanding..  

What are you eating? can you get enough foods to accommodate the O list?  Can your family stand all that meat to look at?

Have you seen the Geno book? Swami is all about genes..  It is a broken down step into more refined food needs.. Food gets changed a little for some, more for others.. I went from blueberries Beneficial, to avoid.. ouch.

For instance you can see in my avatar:  I am Gatherer, I was told 40 years ago that I am diabetic.. I fought the label, as I never knew anyone in my family to have it..  30 years later blood tests confirmed that I was born with the gene that would most likely trigger diabetes.. Today I have it.. Then I found that my father has it and my brother.. My sister has the cancer gene in her family from moms side.. so you see there is value in Genealogy..  
Posted by: jtw, Monday, June 25, 2012, 4:33pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Eric
jtw,

Just my personal anecdote, but I've been taking Mg for 2 years and have never had a clotting problem.  I'm pretty active and subsequently more accident-prone than most.  Blood stops just fine :)

D'Adamo does talk about bleeding problems for type O, and I can attest.  As a teenager I would bleed for hours from a nick of a razor, but no longer.

Very few labs will/can do a secretor test.  Only way possible is if they possess Lewis (Le) antibodies, and know what to look for.  (Le a- b+ = secretor, Le a+ b- = non-secretor)


Or for $454 you can test yourself!  (j/k, not recommended)

http://www.lsbio.com/Antibodies/Lewis-A-Blood-Group-Antigen-Antibody-LS-C46047/45863

http://www.lsbio.com/Antibodies/Lewis-B-Blood-Group-Antigen-Antibody-LS-C46049/45865



Hi Eric, thanks for the reply.

I have been taking magnesium suppliements on and off now for almost seven years.  I hit my head many times, and that is why I worry that one day it may cause a really bad bleeding problem.  I haven't had any issues with minor cuts and things clotting, though I have cut myself quite deep twice this year, one time was a trip to the ER as it wouldn't stop bleeding, but I knicked the vein that's why...  but the ER doctor told me I probably could have treated it at home, small cut, just wouldn't stop bleeding after about 30 minutes, so...

I didn't have much issues with bleeding continually as a child even from knicks, but it does seem to take about 5-15 minutes on average to clot, is that normal?  Why do you no long have these issues?  Age? or something else you did?

Thank you for the chemical forumula, I will try to talk to some labs first before I just go to do it, because even the doctors may have no idea what I am talking about.. Medical here is hit or miss.  I will check the two websites you provided.  I have some friends doing PhD work on different things too, they might know which hospital can check for that stuff and how much it costs, it may end up being worth it to order the kit here. Thanks for the information!
Posted by: jtw, Monday, June 25, 2012, 4:54pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Goldie
Yap.. here it is..the test shown above.. doctors mostly have to look it up..



YOUR body knows what it needs.. You are taking just enough not to get the runs.. good enough..

Why are some of you responses to some answers so 'sensitive' Why be under stress if you are taking Mag?  What else is going on?  Did you look at the food list that have most Magnesium? are you including them?

O's have no worry about clotting issues, if we do what is advised in the books.. EAT RIGHT.. no aspirin, no Vit E..  

It is the clotting of our blood with grains and dairy products that would cause clotting internally, and then cause the bigger issues.

The answer is still: Best to try and decide what is good for your body.. I might do well with my supplement, others with varicose veins might do well with cream on magnesium to soften (by strengthening) the blood vessels.  One of the biggest answers here is always YOUR personal individualized body responses TODAY! not tomorrow, nor yesterday.    

Imagine if we still ate all the foods on our avoid list???  NOT doing so is the only responsibility I have to my body self..  and on here, it is a given that we understand THAT to be the biggest advantage of coming here, refinements notwithstanding..  

What are you eating? can you get enough foods to accommodate the O list?  Can your family stand all that meat to look at?

Have you seen the Geno book? Swami is all about genes..  It is a broken down step into more refined food needs.. Food gets changed a little for some, more for others.. I went from blueberries Beneficial, to avoid.. ouch.

For instance you can see in my avatar:  I am Gatherer, I was told 40 years ago that I am diabetic.. I fought the label, as I never knew anyone in my family to have it..  30 years later blood tests confirmed that I was born with the gene that would most likely trigger diabetes.. Today I have it.. Then I found that my father has it and my brother.. My sister has the cancer gene in her family from moms side.. so you see there is value in Genealogy..  


I'm a sensitive person by nature.  I can't change that I think. sorry.

To be honest I just got the books and have been reading bits and pieces slowly, but I am already trying to adopt some of the things in the books.  Coffee is going to be a hard one, but if it is one of the only things I don't do, I think I will be fine.  I eat a lot of breads and grains and I think that is why I don't feel well half the time. I don't sleep right, and don't sleep well.  I need to exercise but don't do much. I have ADHD which well.. who doesn't have that nowadays, I deal with it.. haha.  The magnesium helps me to relax a little and keeps me focused a little better...

I'm not worried about all the meat, my family doesn't care, but I have attempted over the years to eat, "better" more veggies and fruits. and less meat...  hmmmm I think I digressed for the last 6 years, but boy did I learn alot of about nutrition in the process and other foods that are generally just overally bad for us.  

And yes, I know we all have to listen to our bodies, that is something I teach people who do the master cleanse.  

Geno book? Which one?  Can you give me the details? Thanks.  Though I am not sure what I can do with it because that would probably entail another blood test right?  hahaha.  

Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 25, 2012, 5:22pm; Reply: 20
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I'm a sensitive person by nature.  I can't change that I think. sorry.

To be honest I just got the books and have been reading bits and pieces slowly, but I am already trying to adopt some of the things in the books.  Coffee is going to be a hard one, but if it is one of the only things I don't do, I think I will be fine.


90% of that will get resolved when you move away from the beans.. you can have caffeine in Green tea or dark chocolate.

The ADHD is helped greatly when you follow mostly Super Beneficials and Beneficial foods (only) for a few month.

No blood test needed for Geno typing.. but if you are a nonnie it points in the direction of Gatherer, a gene that might be yours if someone in your family has diabetes..

The Geno book is available, in libraries maybe, .... read more here

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED011  

If you are new to this, have patience.. You will see great results and Best: you can make great differences if you are still planning to have a child.. or stop the misinformation food wise in your family.. It is easy once you clean out the kitchen of all packaged foods. Fresh every thing will be a great change, and easy to cook with.  It is still a discovery of things even 2 decades later for me.

There is no rush unless you plan to get pregnant, then there is a book for planning for that several month in advance.. Dr D wrote many specialized books, and enormous info is available on this site.. go above and look around.. make notes as you go or you will never find the info again.

There is enough information here for a college education.. and if you are computer literate.. look at the choices given in N~1 ... about Quodlibet/// read about its possibilities in

http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/

most of all have fun with this, be forgiving of self, and others.. stress is spelled backward: desserts..  Is it the chicken or the egg?  for me its memories of pastries galore..  ;D




Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, June 25, 2012, 6:28pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from jtw

Geno book? Which one?  Can you give me the details?



D'Adamo only has one book on the GenoType Diet. It is available in hardcover, softcover, electronic, and other languages.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED011

Some books say "GenoType Diet" and other say "Change Your Genetic Destiny", most say both. It is the same content regardless of the cover.

Posted by: Joyce, Monday, June 25, 2012, 6:41pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from jtw

  I eat a lot of breads and grains and I think that is why I don't feel well half the time.


Very bad move for an O-type! no wonder you are unwell.

My sister, the only O in a family of A's had to give up all grains to deal with her bowel problems.

BTW have you ever had your platelet levels checked as I know other O's with low platelet counts and that can lead to 'thin' blood and problems with lengthy clotting times?
Posted by: jtw, Thursday, June 28, 2012, 2:42pm; Reply: 23
Ok sorry for the late reply.

Goldie: Not sure what book you are looking at, but the one I have does not mention any “super beneficial foods” It only mentions beneficial…  

I am pretty sure I found the book, but the review on amazon is interesting, one guy poses a very interesting question that makes me very very confused…  

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2QC5MNFKDCHW2/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg2?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx85PZDUG2HPCR&cdPage=2&asin=0767925246&store=books&cdThread=Tx1NC3TD63XORSU#

This is the link to the review page, but this person’s review is what prompted the question.  This is verbatim from the review, “everest67 says: I really thank you for your amazing, competent, educate reviews that are helping me to clear my clouded mind :-) So, you are saying:
" If you want to produce healthier offspring, then follow the GenoType Diet. If you're only concerned about your well-being and/or trying to fight off a particular disease, then follow the Blood Type Diet.
To understand: if I suffer from chronic maladies and my general health is poor, suffer from migraine, viral chronic infections etc, the blood type diet would be a better choice?
I only recently bought the first three books with the understanding that changing the way we eat helps the body to heal itself.That I really believe.
I would be grateful for your opinion. Many thanks.


He is obviously being sarcasitic here, but actually what he says makes sense as the books seem to tell you to do differnet things.. That is confusing...  So… now a little confused on which one to follow… Can someone elaborate in laymen’s terms please?

It is difficult to stop the misinformation about food in the family, family is hard-headed, and they have watched me go through different programs before. They live to eat not eat to live, so…  Fresh is not really a big problem I think…  Most of the things here are relatively fresh, though we do use sauces and such but will have to check labels a bit more carefully.

I believe it will take some time to utilize these things in the books and I may choose to ignore some of them based on other findings I have read in other books.  I have an entire library of health books and medical papers.

We do want to get pregnant, having a hard time, 5 years of trying, both are ok, both got checked, no problems.  I might buy the book about pregnancy, we’ll see.
I bet there is a lot of information on this site, I will copy and paste what I need, thanks for the advice.  

Stress needs to be worked on, has been like that for years, one step at a time.

C_sharp, see above my question about the book, a little confusing..  

Joyce, yes, I know, thank you, I know already, I read that the first day I got it..   It’s abundantly clear, trust me.  I am not “unwell” so to speak..  But I do believe I could be healthier that is for sure.
You, however, mention about grains, and your sister having to give them all up?  According to the book not all grains are bad…  For example I eat granola bars from Quaker, now aside from the sugar in them, they are fairly healthy and low calorie, provided you don’t eat 10 at a sitting.. that is something I have to learn not to do. Hahaha.  I have some bowel issues also, but not severe, at least I can go.


As for platelet count, every year, no problems, everything is where it is supposed to be.
So again..  ok, so magnesium supplements are fine for O types?  We are not going to thin our blood out to the point it won’t clot and we won’t be getting any hemorrhages because we take it right?  Aspirin seems to be similar to magnesium as it thins out the blood, so it is confusing to me, why can I take magnesium and not aspirin?  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, June 28, 2012, 3:09pm; Reply: 24
You need to read all ingredients on all processed foods carefully. I don't buy any ready-made granola bars, because all the ones available near me contain wheat and/or corn ingredients. There used to be a kind with just oats,  but they've changed the formula in recent years. If there was something made with oats as the only grain, I'd gladly buy it for my kids.

It's OK to make dietary changes slowly, if it's too much to make all the changes at once. Remember that what you do eat is as important as what you avoid eating. Add in plenty of good quality animal protein and vegetables. Make sure to include fish and red meat a few  times a week- poultry is good, but that can't be your only protein source. Forget trying to "eat more veggies and less meat." Change that focus. You want to "eat more veggies and fewer grains" while keeping the meat intake up. Most O's dont need to go completely grain-free, but we do need to choose the right ones and keep the portions down.

If you're not ready to cut out all the "bad foods" just yet, cut down on wheat and corn. Better yet, cut out those two foods. Avoiding the "wrong" vegetables and beans isn't quite as important. You'll certainly be healthier if you can be 100% on the program, but you're more likely to see big changes from cutting out wheat and corn than you will from cutting out cucumbers or kidney beans.

Ideal is to move away from processed foods altogether and eat foods you prepare yourself. Instead of grabbing a granola bar "on the go," take homemade, compliant trail mix. Rice should be easy enough to find in Asia. If you go with simple meals, it's less work to prepare AND it's healthier. Meat, veggies, and a little rice makes a filling meal, and you can vary the spices and veggies so it doesn't get boring.

For fertility issues, it's important that both of you "eat right" for a few months. Her diet probably matters more than yours in this regard.

Back to the magnesium question: my understanding is that magnesium and asprin work in different ways. Asprin thins the blood in a way that's helpful for most A's but harmful for most O's, because our blood is already "thin enough" in whatever asprin works on. Magnesium does something else to the blood, plus is needed for hundreds of things elsewhere in the body.

My conjecture: perhaps it's not that magnesium thins the blood, but that magnesium deficiency leads to "thick blood." Replace the needed magnesium and you get healthier blood cells, which means less blood clotting for individuals prone to blood clots. Add magnesium when the blood is already "thin enough" and it won't cause problems, but rather the magnesium goes to where it's needed in the body for muscle relaxing, enzyme production, etc.

All I know for certain is that Dr D has never told O's to limit magnesium intake.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 28, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 25
Aspirin will NOT give you diarrhea.it can give you bleeding ulcers.  

Magnesium will send you to the bathroom, and with that it is protecting you from 'to much'.

IF it has a label.. it is not for you!  You are O!.. fresh and clean..

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" If you want to produce healthier offspring, then follow the Genotype Diet.

If you're only concerned about your well-being and/or trying to fight off a particular disease, then follow the Blood Type Diet.


Yes I still think so.. the Geno link is important to you as  mom, and dad as dad to be for all that can be changed to benefit the child....   I think If you listen then conceiving may be possible.. Relax , no need to stress... over nothing not important in 5 years..

IF you had arthritis, or diabetes, there are BTD books for that!.. also heart and cancer.. They contain the Super Beneficial break down..Beneficial and two neutrals..and avoids..

Eat Right has Highly Beneficials.. In swami they are diamond foods..

Trying 'other' diets along with this one, might work IF you are young and HEALTHY, but most have experienced ill effects**.. which is not to say that you should adhere 100 % the norm is more closer to 80/90/95%.

** we found that after a while, you can feel differences of wellness never felt before.. and then even small diversion 'bother' you..

At he end: re-read Ruthygirl.. she is on target!   all the best as you go on from here.. Yes I own all the books, and love all even the old ones.. Its just that Swami as a shopping list is on computer and is Geno specific.. --- I am Gatherers have short lower legs, llok round and struggle with food, and prone to diabetes ll.  Nonnies struggle with food sensitivities..

Hey the REAL fun is in learning!! you are on your way..  ;D
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 28, 2012, 11:38pm; Reply: 26
I answered and lost all info.. computer set up can make me crazy.. need to fix it.. also answered in Amazone link.. lost it also.. will do later.. again
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 29, 2012, 12:00am; Reply: 27
just a quick answer for the link above..

20 years between the first and last book might have something to do with all that was written.. The Geno is sort of the newest one..

IF you suffer: The arthritis book and the cancer or diabetes and heart books are very specific..

Foods changed over 20 years / Knowledge and concerns did also..

The biggest and best:  Is the individuality celebrated in these books.. TRY it you might like it..

As for a responses on any pertinent subject - try this community- you will get more then you asked for.  

Learn, test and make sense to you! is all that matters to us.. The rest is just same old/ same old... one size fits all- not for me!

This is a free will diet, no one makes you do anything, nor charges anything.  Learning happens for the price of the books or for the on-line program called Swami.. but it does require ability to discern the changes needed to make when moving your goal posts.. My goal: improved health and wellness, with foods.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 29, 2012, 10:57am; Reply: 28
Today I am making this entry, guessing that I might be right....

I always had low oxygen, I can still have it some time, but I also have improved oxygen levels, that is new.  I think it is from taking the Milk of magnesium.  I am guessing that maybe my heart/ muscles needed it as well as my lungs.  I finished a whole bottle, the taste is horrid, but if need be doable.  

I also feel that it might help with the INTESTINAL muscles.  I seem to have much less of a need to pee every time I get up, I can actually wait a little.  Obviously my elimination is much more normal.. a nice change.. no FLATULENCE.

In my diet I do not get a lot of magnesium, so no wonder I responded to taking some extra for a while.. Instead of daily a big swig, I may now take it when I get the headache, or once a week.    
Posted by: Kumar, Friday, June 29, 2012, 12:59pm; Reply: 29
jtw,

Back to the basic issues that you have raised. Generally, O's tend to have thinner blood but some among them (called non-secretors, which cannot be tested in many parts of the developing world) tend to have thicker blood than their other fellow beings. I have never come across an article that links magnesium with blood thinning properties. Eat Right for Your Type was published in 1996 and most of its premises are still valid. With the publication of Live Right for Your Type in 2006, the importance of (secretor status: whether you are a secretor or non-secretor) was firmly established and the diets recommended are fine-tuned based on your secretor status. With the publication of Genotype Diet in ...., a diet based on your  genetic make up (where blood group could be one factor only) was suggeted. And finally, a computerized tailormade diet system has been developed (called Swami Express which is not a book as such) which recommends food list that is tailored to your specific conditions (health, medical history and other genetic mark ups): this recommendation will be different Genotype Diet and Blood Type Diet and somewhere in between.

The best way to start according to me is to first start from blood type diet, and see how things work as far as your body and mind is concerned. The next step could be to check your "secretor status" when you are in the "developed world" (US, Europe, Aus) and further fine tune the diet if necessary. And then instead of going into Genotype Diet, you could buy Swami Express and print a tailored made diet and life styles recipes for your self.

Bye the way, I have just seen that Cocoa (chocolate) contains high amount of Mg too!
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 29, 2012, 10:17pm; Reply: 30
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Bye the way, I have just seen that Cocoa (chocolate) contains high amount of Mg too!


so now I have another reason for indulging..  ;D
Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 7:23am; Reply: 31
Just wanted to write a quick update-

I was reminded this week how critical Mg is for my functioning.  Started slacking on my dosages, then began experimenting with (unknown at the time) another MAO inhibitor (apparently didn't learn my lesson before).  Got really screwed up... I mean, just felt awful.  No energy, irritated, pessimistic, poor digestion, etc.  Upped my Magnesium and within a couple hours felt like a completely different person.  All the vitality and life came right back.  

I was doing some reading, and there was a recent study showing some people are genetically chronically deficient in Mg.  Wondering if I fall into this category, because I just cannot absorb it.  And the rest of my brothers are prone to the same symptoms, though they won't acknowledge it.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 12:03pm; Reply: 32
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Wondering if I fall into this category, because I just cannot absorb it.

Looking at the list of foods O's eat, I just don't see how we can get enough.

I also think that it is a big reason for O's feeling the way we do.  There have been many discussions about digestion or eliminations for O's -  in the end it looks as if maybe the Magnesium might be the big issue.  The lists of foods are not convenient.  They list nuts by 100 grams, and spinach the same, one hardly eats either in those measurements, and the listings in %'iges is even more useless. No wonder there is little awareness of just how much this mineral impacts our life on this diet.. Certainly no Doctor ever mentioned it!

I think we could absorb it if we focused on eating all the foods with Magnesium, by really focusing on it.  For me right now finding some easy way to get it into me is a goal.  I really seem to feel a lot better with it. Magnesium ought to be a big issue for O dieters. I don't see how any can get enough in food, if we don't wish to gain weight every which way.  How much spinach or some other foods with Magnesium do you eat? either every day or at one sitting? uncooked or blanched?    
Posted by: weekender, Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 1:26pm; Reply: 33
As far as I know....

Blood clots form as a way of repairing damage to the body, this damage can occur for reasons including trauma, inflammation, plaque buildup, inactivity etc. The processes of blood clot formation relies on calcium and vitamin k to activate them.
When you take magnesium, it helps to reduce blood clotting by indirect means - it doesn't "dissolve" blood clots, but rather helps promote an environment in the body where blood clots aren't being made left right and centre.

- Magnesium helps to reduce systemic inflammation, thus it helps to reduce clots caused by inflammation of the tissues/blood vessels
- Magnesium helps to improve the integrity of the inner wall of the blood vessels, which helps to reduce clots caused by damage to the blood vessels/bleeding/bruising
- Magnesium is required to 'turn off' calcium in the process of muscle contraction, calcium contracts muscle, magnesium relaxes it. If muscles are damaged from spasm or overwork - inflammation from this could lead to blood clots.
- Magnesium is a cofactor for calcium absorption into the bones, it helps improve bone density by allowing calcium to be made into bone. (Excess calcium can lead to blood clots.)
- When magnesium isn't being used for "fire fighting" any abnormal calcium:magnesium ratio, it is used for cellular energy production and many other functions that make us feel healthy in general.

If you're concerned about your blood being too thin (which it doesn't sound like you are), you could reduce your risk of bleeding by focusing on boosting collagen levels by eating bone stocks etc to increase the strength and integrity of the blood vessels. Most good magnesium supplements contain a small amount of calcium anyway, which will assist in maintaining a good ratio.

Otherwise, I'd keep taking the magnesium and feeling better because of it (sunny)
Posted by: Joyce, Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 2:45pm; Reply: 34
By virtue of magnesium in red blood cells it must be in red meat.... or get some Scottish black pudding!
Posted by: jtw, Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 35
Sorry again for my slow reply, you guys are great.

First Ruthie, thank you so much for that message, that is very very helpful!

Why are corn and wheat the two most harmful foods to us?  Why are these two more important to cut out than some of the other things?

I don't like to eat white rice, white rice contributes to diabetes as it is is all sugar.  I eat brown rice when I can, but that's about it.  

I figured my wife's diet would be more important, though I need to make changes also. But getting her to cut out the seafood is going to be tough, she is B.  And she loves shrimp and many other things that she shouldn't have.  

As for magnesium, it seems I am finally starting to understand this from reading yours and other's posts.  It seems that the Magnesium works in different ways and should be beneficial for the blood and prevent other issues.

Indeed I did not see anything prohibiting magnesium suppliments in the books either, but it is an important question to me as I have been taking it for many years and really do not want to stop.

Goldie: Thanks for the feedback
Thanks for explaining the differences with Magnesium and Aspirin.  

If it has a lable? What does that mean?

I don't really have any particular diseases. I suffer from a few things but they are not serious, but I would like to improve them.  1. sleep quality. 2. stools. 3. bring down the prostate size so the urine flows naturally. 4. lower back issues.  5. sleep better.  

I went back to the website, I didn't see your response yet, I guess you didn't go back to rewrite all of what you lost right?  I would still like an answer to that guys question because it is really confusing.

Kumar, thank you for your response.   As for my secreter status, it is going to be difficult. Amazon won't ship them to me where I am, and I am not sure the labs can do it here or not.  I have asked a friend to try to find out for me who is in the biological field.   I may have to wait until the next time I visit the US to get this done.

Eric, Interesting.    I am not sure what sort of magnesium you take, but citrate seems to work well for absorption.  

weekender, I don't know how thin my blood is, what I worry about is waking my head on something and getting a hemmoreage because my blood is too thin, won't clot and I end up in a coma.  This is what I worry about the most. I have a knack for hitting myself on just about everything. The last thing I want is something like this to happen.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 5:06pm; Reply: 36
You really can't "make" your wife change her diet. All you can do is educate her and encourage her to make changes. You can also offer practical support (figuring out meal plans, going  food shopping, preparing food, etc.) But if she's not willing to do the work herself, she'll continue to eat whatever she wants away from home or when you're not there.

I'd suggest getting "Eat Right 4 Your Baby" as that's the book with the targeted fertility advice, along with information on diet during pregnancy and lactation and introducing solids to the baby. If she's willing to read that book, she's more likely to want to make the dietary changes.
Posted by: jtw, Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 5:47pm; Reply: 37
Hi Ruthie, yep I know I can't.  It is up to her, I know. I can only recommend and try to show her by doing it myself so she can see the changes. In the end it is up to her.  I know.

I was going to buy this book you mention with the genotype book whenever I decide to order.  We'll see how it goes I guess.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, July 5, 2012, 2:20am; Reply: 38
If it has a label? What does that mean?... ANY packaged food is basically avoid..all items have something we should not eat.. fresh and raw meat is best.


I don't really have any particular diseases. I suffer from a few things but they are not serious, but I would like to improve them.  1. sleep quality.   Did you follow some of the threads on sleep there where a few and one big one with many suggestions..

2. stools.could you stop the magnesium for a short while and see if you really need it?

3. bring down the prostate size so the urine flows naturally. THIS I would deem important as you are way to young.. what are you doing for it?  could that be from magnesium as well?  like to much fluid retained for stool, instead of for urine?  

4. lower back issues. unless you can figure out why you have it, the kidneys might be in need of fluids or at least in adjustment of fluid absorption..

5. sleep better.    HOW, sleep longer, fewer interruptions, fewer dreams? Can you sleep better when you take a pain killer for your back?  

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I went back to the website, I didn't see your response yet, I guess you didn't go back to rewrite all of what you lost right?  I would still like an answer to that guys question because it is really confusing.


Not as much as you might think.. I can respond here, and if need be paste it there also, but that guy did not do his homework, so I have less respect or need to defend or to make my point, he will not hear.....

here are some points I remember:  

Some books are getting old.. they where written over a decade ago..  Changes in knowledge has occurred since then so adjustments are obvious..

Dr D is willing to make list adjustments, with one proviso, he is eons ahead of what those old books contained, and the reader must come along with on open mind.

For novices the books information is still very pertinent, as they serves as a basis of simple understanding of relative complicated NEW ways of looking at food issues.

Food over the last 20 years has dramatically changed.. see blue berries: they used to be small little things full of flavor.. NOW they are the size of strawberries (as they used to be) and have way less taste.  Monsanto had a hand in them.. so the health benefits may have changed as well.  Yes they are still blue, but are they also full of some chemical growth stimulator?   Look at strawberries, they are the size of small apples now a day.. sprayed all over many times to keep them in perfect condition for year round marketing.. what other diet takes such things into considerations?  Here Swami might do just that as info becomes available..

as for Dr D not answering questions individually?  preposterous, he would have no time at all to do anything but answer questions we here are willing to answer over and over for every newbie year after year.. with much patience.  Even impertinent questions are answered.. over and over..

Dr D and his various interests (on our health behalf) is many steps ahead of stuff we can never expect to learn.. He has put together a 800 page textbook for 200.- it is for sale.. as are so many other books he has written for the specifics like the heart, diabetes and cancer, babies, and aging.. as well as his lexicon, for health concerns and corresponding supplements.

All this info is available here on this very page, all any person needs to do is be willing to go and look at each page.read and comprehend or ask specific questions..  there is enormous information and all written in easy to read language.

The most important of it is maybe the ability to search and trace information in

http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/2011/12/18/quodlibet/

I would dare this other person to even find this entry.. but like I said, he is just mouthing off in a forum for self aggrandizement.. let him come here.. and then we will match the real from bravado..

did I forget any points?  sorry if I did.  You can feel free to copy paste my answers above, I don't do social media-- HERE is my place to communicate. I learn some new thing every day..  

all the best..

as for you, you might if so inclined, let us know what all you take, for your own health. There might be things to tweak..  





  
Posted by: jtw, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 5:09pm; Reply: 39
I've been really bad about replying haven't I? Sorry about that.

Well of course fresh is better, but... that is not always possible. but I will try and as with any diet fresh and raw is better, that is pretty much clear from just about every book I have read.

You asked about what I am doing for the prostate issues, actually not much.  I have been taking on and off a suppliment called Prostate 5X from New Chapter.  The other stuff I have tried just doesn't work.  This one I haven't been on long enough to see any useful effects.  The magneisum is not part of this problem, it occurs whether I take it or not.   My stool might be retaining some, but when I need to urinate I need to badly sometimes.  I have plenty of urine, just that it doesn't flow as it should at the speed it should, the prostate is nearly 1cm bigger than it should be and this is the reason.  I do not want to take drugs to fix the problem, so...  

Lower back issues are from a disk herniation that occured years ago.  I do Chrio everyweek to try to prevent any further damage.  Sorry I should have elaborated more on this the first time.

Sleep issues..  I need to go to bed earlier is the major issue, but I just can't force myself to sleep, ADD issue perhaps..  Dreams? What are those?  I seldom remember them anymore.  Interuptions well, that just depends, recently fewer, and I am sleeping more through the night, but sometimes urine wakes me up too, prostate issue, and probably lower back issues create this problem.  I don't need to take pain pills for the back, basically it doesn't hurt unless I do something stupid, once a year or so I will do something stupid and make it inflammed where I need to take pain pills, but basically I am pharamcy free.

What I take? I take Vit. C from GNC, and B complex from GNC. I also take a multi vitmain from Alive for Men.  It doesn't have any iron in it and that is the reason I am taking it. E I am not sure I will have to check.

Is Vitamin E soap ok for O's?  I thought I saw somewhere we need to avoid it.. But is it ok externally? I know some of it will absorb so that is why I am asking.

Why is bread deemd bad for O types?

So basically these are the reaons why I need to buy the online software to stay afloat of all thse changes right?

What is the name of the textbook that is $200?

Not really understanding the website you gave me..  n-equals -one.... what is that ?

Also it seems I cannot get the secretor test here, they won't ship this one or the wander gatherer thing here, and two of the other distributors I contacted, 1 doesn't sell them and the other never replies.. so...  I don't know what to do to get these...  

Anyway sorry again for the delay in reply.
Posted by: Patty H, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 1:55pm; Reply: 40
The idea that all O's have thinner blood is a broad generalization.  I happen to have an SNP on one of my two clotting factors, Factor 2 which predisposes me to venous thrombosis.

If you are curious you can always get your genetic profile done like I did.  A lot of the generalizations for type O's in the BTD/GTD ended up not applying in my case.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 2:21pm; Reply: 41
Topical vitamin E is fine, especially if you're talking about soap, and not a concentrated oil. Yes, some gets absorbed, but not enough to cause problems. We don't need to completely avoid vitamin E; it's present in some foods that are OK for Os, such as almonds. Vitamin E supplements give a way higher dose than what your skin will absorb from soap or what you'd get from diet.

You may benefit from adding a B-12 supplement to your routine; that's what Dr D recommends for normalizing sleep patterns. It's important to get the methyl form of B 12, as the other forms are hard to absorb. This would be in addition to the B complex, not instead of.
Posted by: jtw, Friday, July 20, 2012, 6:18pm; Reply: 42
Patty what kind of genetic profile did you have done?  And how much did it cost you?  I doubt I can get something like that here, but I would like to try to see if it is possible.

Thanks Ruthiegirl for verifying that, indeed it is soap that I was inquiring about because I have recently started using African Black Soap and I really like it.    I will look into B12.  I don't take vitamins everyday, I feel it is overkill to take so many.  so I take them randomly throughly the week.  
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, July 20, 2012, 9:26pm; Reply: 43
I think Patty used 23 & Me.

Testing is $299

Shipping varies by country

Asian countries would probably be close to $100. Shipping includes return shipping to lab.

https://www.23andme.com/
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, July 20, 2012, 11:34pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from jtw
Patty what kind of genetic profile did you have done?  And how much did it cost you?  I doubt I can get something like that here, but I would like to try to see if it is possible.

Thanks Ruthiegirl for verifying that, indeed it is soap that I was inquiring about because I have recently started using African Black Soap and I really like it.    I will look into B12.  I don't take vitamins everyday, I feel it is overkill to take so many.  so I take them randomly throughly the week.  


As usual, C Sharp is correct!  I did use http://www.23andme.com  It is great as I reference it all the time.  One of the things that is interesting to me is that I have a rare blood antigen that was discovered in my family in the 1950's before I was born.  When I look at my genes regarding to blood issue, I have quite a few, such as the one I referenced in my earlier post.  I am also a carrier for a blood condition.  I don't think the rare blood antigen is serving me all that well  :'(
Posted by: jtw, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 4:01pm; Reply: 45
How does the 23 and me compare to the following?

http://www.familytreedna.com/

http://dna.ancestry.com/

It appears these only test your family history, and not health, where as 23 and me does everything?  I don't think it would cost 100 bucks to send that overseas, if they ship it overseas that is, I haven't checked.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 6:20am; Reply: 46
national geographic worked great for me....
the results I added to my swami

there s no better individualized nutrigenomic guideline out there
Posted by: jtw, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 4:33pm; Reply: 47
Not quite sure if you were being sarcasitc or...  I don't quite understand your post...  Or do you mean that National Geographic is enough for you to understand your ancestory, meaning you don't really care too much about that?  Did I get it?  lol
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