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Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:05pm
One, I apologize if this has been asked before. This is a huge forum, filled with a lot of info. Anyway, I have changed my oldest son's diet in some major ways over the last two years. I did so to help with some of his issues as well as his health and that of my youngest as well. The changes were incredible but, not quite enough. My research led me here. So, here is my question, how do you manage the BTD with food protein intolerance or allergies and if you had any, did they show any signs of dissipation over time?

Thanks! :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:07pm; Reply: 1
Need his blood type in order to help. ;)

Some of us are billy goats and some are doves.
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:08pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Need his blood type in order to help. ;)

Some of us are billy goats and some are doves.



;D Oh yeah! My big guy is O+!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:09pm; Reply: 3
He is intolerant to what foods?
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:16pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
He is intolerant to what foods?



He was born protein intolerant to milk and soy. We discovered later that he was allergic to strawberries and sensitive to peanuts.

It's become increasingly harder to find what, if there is anything else that he might not tolerate because in part, his bowel movements have been erratic over the years. He would not go for days! Now it's down to every other day, which is better I guess. His functional abdominal pain is pretty much gone now after a few food changes though. He has eczema though, which in my research and experience is linked with food issues.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:20pm; Reply: 5
Milk, soy and peanuts are all not part of the type O diet.


So you are concerned with his bowel movements?

Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:24pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Milk, soy and peanuts are all not part of the type O diet.


So you are concerned with his bowel movements?



Yes! I am worried somewhere in there he's in a bit of trouble. It takes days for a bowel movements. I don't know if that's normal. All his docs say that if he's not in pain, he's fine. Only he'll eat less and less and less and then when it's moved through finally he'll eat. He is at the bottom of his growth chart and they keep testing his growth hormones because of it. So, I'm wondering if this diet works with children too. I believe I read somewhere that it does but, I could be mistaken.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:35pm; Reply: 7
Yes it works with children follow the type O diet. Give it some time buy the best food you can for him.


So much is related to gut health and the intestinal biome.
Posted by: Mother, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 9:49pm; Reply: 8
How about wheat and corn? Those are at the top of the no-go for O's. Eliminating those two things make a huge difference in O's even if they don't 'seem' to be reactive, they are horrible for us. I didn't have any digestive or bowel problems when I ate them but eliminating them made huge differences in so many ways I can't list them all. My over all health has improved greatly!
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, June 17, 2012, 10:09pm; Reply: 9
I could never reintroduce wheat.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 10:55pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Junebug1978
So, here is my question, how do you manage the BTD with food protein intolerance or allergies and if you had any, did they show any signs of dissipation over time?

Thanks! :)


Has your son shown any allergic reaction to foods that are beneficial for type O's, such as grass-fed beef, lamb, cold water fish, fresh vegetables, etc?  

Don't worry about things such as soy, dairy and peanuts.  They are not recommended for type O's anyway.  There are plenty of other fruits besides strawberries.  Type O's get so many delicious foods that you can work with.  And try some almond butter instead of peanut butter.

Sometimes food allergies will diminish and disappear with the BTD or Genotype diet, but even if they don't, keep working with the good foods that are recommended for him.

Have you gotten a Secretor test for him yet?  That can help you fine-tune the foods that are best for his body.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 10:56pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from 14442
I could never reintroduce wheat.


Sometimes, just staying away from all gluten and corn is enough to turn the health around, especially for someone with severe allergies.
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 11:03pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Mother
How about wheat and corn? Those are at the top of the no-go for O's. Eliminating those two things make a huge difference in O's even if they don't 'seem' to be reactive, they are horrible for us. I didn't have any digestive or bowel problems when I ate them but eliminating them made huge differences in so many ways I can't list them all. My over all health has improved greatly!



I'll be honest. My nephew with THE severest allergies in the family could not tolerate corn too well, also an O+. Since he was a lot like my son, only my son's allergies toned down, I never gave my son corn either! :) I was not pushing the envelope as it were!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 11:08pm; Reply: 13
June -- it will always be about what you do eat not what you don't.


Victoria has some great suggestions, so many foods to chose from and what a blessing that you are home and can take the time to cook.
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 11:19pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Victoria


Has your son shown any allergic reaction to foods that are beneficial for type O's, such as grass-fed beef, lamb, cold water fish, fresh vegetables, etc?  

Don't worry about things such as soy, dairy and peanuts.  They are not recommended for type O's anyway.  There are plenty of other fruits besides strawberries.  Type O's get so many delicious foods that you can work with.  And try some almond butter instead of peanut butter.

Sometimes food allergies will diminish and disappear with the BTD or Genotype diet, but even if they don't, keep working with the good foods that are recommended for him.

Have you gotten a Secretor test for him yet?  That can help you fine-tune the foods that are best for his body.




No, no secretor test yet. That will be the next thing I order when I can. It's hard working with the food thing with him though. He has something called SPD (Sensory Processing Disorder). So, things that normally smell good like a fresh peeled orange can send him screaming for the other room. Though he's not a fan of oranges, it was just an example. He is stuck on canned fruits and veggies and I'm having a time getting him off of them. My youngest though will eat anything you put in front of him! :P So, looking for a fruit to get him onto is a bit challenging at the moment but, I'm still trying. He does like beef and fish though, as long as the fish is in fish stick form...my homemade fish sticks need a lot of help though. :)

I'm really hoping that this will help him a lot. The diet changes, i.e. removal of all milk proteins, going as organic as possible, easier digestible vitamins for him, currently we're slowly removing gluten, etc. have already improved his conditions ten fold! His Tourette Syndrome went from almost incapacitating tics to tics that outside the family, you would hardly or not notice at all. His anxieties while still prevalent, have gone from severe to tolerable for the most part. He went from 7 medications to only 4 and we're almost off of one of them. The progress has been encouraging. His symptoms of all conditions have dropped so much so that now, his gut and bowels have become my main focus. I know that this is where a lot of his issues stem from and I'm hoping to do what I can to help alleviate his issues.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 11:41pm; Reply: 15
allergies in general are a wake up call, meaning the gut needs urgent fixing

BT/GT guidelines help enormously

compliance and conviction will win the race.....
the more you all find out about your individuality, the better chance of targeting the plan accordingly

here is a great test to start them off right
http://www.4yourtype.com/WLP_BTD.asp
Posted by: D.L., Sunday, June 17, 2012, 11:54pm; Reply: 16
June - I have severe allergies/intolerances to a lot of foods, such as dairy, gluten, eggs, soy, strawberries, and bananas. Some foods that bother me are on my beneficial list. It's a challenge, but there are lots of fruits and vegies that I can eat, along with a few kinds of beans and some proteins. So I just stay away from both the things that are on my Swami avoid list and those that I know I'm allergic to. When my severely allergic children were little, I had to come up with creative ways to keep them healthy, so I made things like goat milk - rice flour pancakes and biscuits, rice cakes with corn-free peanut butter, cutting open a date and inserting a pecan, etc. I always had to pack their school lunches with things they could tolerate. Also, are there any kinds of digestive enzymes you could give him to help the digestion process?  
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, June 18, 2012, 12:26am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Junebug1978
It's hard working with the food thing with him though. He has something called SPD (Sensory Processing Disorder). So, things that normally smell good like a fresh peeled orange can send him screaming for the other room. Though he's not a fan of oranges, it was just an example. He is stuck on canned fruits and veggies and I'm having a time getting him off of them.

I'd say "choose your battles".  If he only wants canned fruits and veggies, start phasing in more and more canned fruits and veggies that are beneficial for his blood type, and fruits that are not sweetened.

My youngest though will eat anything you put in front of him! :P So, looking for a fruit to get him onto is a bit challenging at the moment but, I'm still trying. He does like beef and fish though, as long as the fish is in fish stick form...my homemade fish sticks need a lot of help though. :)

I'm really hoping that this will help him a lot. The diet changes, i.e. removal of all milk proteins, going as organic as possible, easier digestible vitamins for him, currently we're slowly removing gluten, etc. have already improved his conditions ten fold! His Tourette Syndrome went from almost incapacitating tics to tics that outside the family, you would hardly or not notice at all. His anxieties while still prevalent, have gone from severe to tolerable for the most part. He went from 7 medications to only 4 and we're almost off of one of them. The progress has been encouraging. His symptoms of all conditions have dropped so much so that now, his gut and bowels have become my main focus. I know that this is where a lot of his issues stem from and I'm hoping to do what I can to help alleviate his issues.

It's wonderful to hear of the progress!  :)  Keep up the good work.  And it's slow and steady that will bring about changes without forcing him to rebel against what you're doing.



Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, June 18, 2012, 12:48am; Reply: 18
Lots of good information in the posts above, so I'll give you this addendum.  

You mentioned your fish sticks needed help--try this: cut a firm fish like cod or haddock in stick form. Have two bowls ready, one filled with white rice flour, the other with beaten egg. (You can add some sea salt to the flour if you like.) Roll the sticks in the rice flour first, then in the beaten egg, then in the rice flour again. Fry or bake them the way you normally do, using a compliant oil. The rice flour makes a nice light batter that's crispy. And it's okay for your type O too :)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, June 18, 2012, 12:55am; Reply: 19
Great fish recipe!  :)
Posted by: Junebug1978, Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:05am; Reply: 20
Quoted from D.L.
Also, are there any kinds of digestive enzymes you could give him to help the digestion process?  


You know, I was just talking with a friend about that. She had some really good suggestions. I'll have to finish the conversation and see what I can find locally around here. Thanks for reminding me! :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:09am; Reply: 21
look up fermenting
Posted by: Junebug1978, Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:11am; Reply: 22
@Victoria - thanks! We're working on it. It's been gosh, two years now of slowly changing his diet. I remember when I first heard that diet could affect these guys with nuerological issues. I remember first fighting his doc when he told me that at 2yrs old he'd outgrown his milk intolerance and I disagreed. It has been a VERY  long road to get to this forum but, the change is the payoff! So, I appreciate all of the help and info you have given!
Posted by: Junebug1978, Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:12am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Brighid45
Lots of good information in the posts above, so I'll give you this addendum.  

You mentioned your fish sticks needed help--try this: cut a firm fish like cod or haddock in stick form. Have two bowls ready, one filled with white rice flour, the other with beaten egg. (You can add some sea salt to the flour if you like.) Roll the sticks in the rice flour first, then in the beaten egg, then in the rice flour again. Fry or bake them the way you normally do, using a compliant oil. The rice flour makes a nice light batter that's crispy. And it's okay for your type O too :)




Ditto what Victoria said: Great recipe! I appreciate the help with this. You've totally made my day! :)
Posted by: Junebug1978, Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:13am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Lola
look up fermenting



Will do Lola. A trusted lady whose blog I follow highly recommends it as well. I was toying with checking out, I will definitely do so now. :)
Posted by: Johnny B., Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:26am; Reply: 25
Sounds like another Explorer.  Slight possibility of Hunter.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 5:08pm; Reply: 26
The four foods you mentioned specifically are all "avoids" for O nonnies (non-secretors.) I suggest cutting out all foods that are "avoids" for O secretors or for O nonnies, until you're able to get his secretor status tested. I'd also put him on a completely gluten free diet (which basically means not feeding him rye, the one gluten-grain that's OK for O nonnies.) If there are more foods that are OK for O's but he's allergic to, then continue to avoid those foods as well.

If he only wants canned fruits and veggies, go ahead and buy him canned fruits and veggies by the case. I would make that a VERY low priority- first is getting beneficial foods into him, second is cutting out the avoids, third is making sure he gets enough veggies and protien. Way down the road, after he's done a lot of healing, work on the texture issues and try to get him to eat fresh produce.

I'm guessing from context that he's still a fairly young child. I'd stick with the BTD for him, and not worry about genotype diet or SWAMI until he's older. You probably won't need to worry about that until he's done growing, but you may consider it sooner (say, a year from now) if he's not healing enough from BTD alone. The only reason to put a child on GTD (GenoType diet) is if he's allergic to too many of the "beneficials" for his blood type.
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 5:24pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Victoria
Great fish recipe!  :)

Yes! It sounds yummy!
Posted by: Lin, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 6:06pm; Reply: 28
Also ditto'ing what Victoria said.  And would add that I've read somewhere that wheat/gluten and milk proteins can all contribute to neurological issues.
You sound like you have been doing a wonderful job at playing detective and helping your son.
Your instincts are good!
lin
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 2:50am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Brighid45
Lots of good information in the posts above, so I'll give you this addendum.  

You mentioned your fish sticks needed help--try this: cut a firm fish like cod or haddock in stick form. Have two bowls ready, one filled with white rice flour, the other with beaten egg. (You can add some sea salt to the flour if you like.) Roll the sticks in the rice flour first, then in the beaten egg, then in the rice flour again. Fry or bake them the way you normally do, using a compliant oil. The rice flour makes a nice light batter that's crispy. And it's okay for your type O too :)


Ummmmmmmmmmmm.  Good sugg, Brig!  Wouldn't hurt to put some Old Bay type (crab spice) seasoning in the rice flour, too, though I haven't read the ingredients of Old Bay, so you might wish to do that first and make your own from individual ingredients if there are any baddies in there.

(woot)
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, August 9, 2012, 5:08pm; Reply: 30
Interesting that all the foods that you specifically mentioned are avoids for O's including milk, soy, oranges, peanut butter.  
You have a lot to deal with, I wish all of you the best.
Jane
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