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Posted by: dalkantrell, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 8:11pm
There was supposed to be an update to the Swami Xpress software last summer. It is almost summer time again. I haven't seen any threads telling when this is going to happen. Does anyone have any news about this?  Dr. D are you willing to chime in here?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 8:54pm; Reply: 1
It is currently being worked.  The new features have now been tested in the SWAMI GenoType product used by professionals.  DNP will complete adding the features to the consumer product (SWAMI Xpress) and should be able to release it in the near future (after some additional testing).  No exact date has been set.  
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 4, 2012, 5:43am; Reply: 2
got any specific need for an update dalkantrell? :)
Posted by: Teresa S, Monday, June 4, 2012, 5:47pm; Reply: 3
According with this June newsletter:

"SWAMI XP2—The Second Generation Arrives in July with New Features"
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 4, 2012, 6:10pm; Reply: 4
precisely what C is mentioning above
Posted by: Constantine, Monday, June 4, 2012, 6:45pm; Reply: 5
Just out of curiosity, anybody have any idea about what some of these new features are?
Posted by: Jane, Monday, June 4, 2012, 8:04pm; Reply: 6
They are detailed in the new newsletter that just came out today.  Sounds wonderful.  Ability to link with other family members to make meal planning easier, more specificity about existing conditions, and lots of other upgrades.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, June 4, 2012, 8:56pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Constantine
Just out of curiosity, anybody have any idea about what some of these new features are?


* Digital Delivery (No need to wait for mail)
* Drag and drop menu planning
* Ability to link family members as noted above
* Ability to specify diet restrictions:Lacto-ovo Vegetarian,  Kosher, ...  
* Ability to emphasize/deemphasize particular nutrients/toxins in foods
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 4, 2012, 9:05pm; Reply: 8
One place to watch is the SWAMI Alerts and Software Updates thread
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-xpress/m-1247915915/
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Monday, June 4, 2012, 9:34pm; Reply: 9
I noticed the drop down on diet restrictions did not list vegan for A's - that would greatly be appreciated seeing as how I am vegan and do not eat eggs, dairy, honey or any animal products for that matter. :)
Posted by: Constantine, Monday, June 4, 2012, 9:58pm; Reply: 10
It would be interesting if Swami integrated Metabolic Typing somehow.  I'm sure blood-/Genotypes vary in their metabolic profiles.

I, myself, mostly eat the foods from my Swami lists, but the *way* that I eat them is influenced by Metabolic Typing.  This is the best diet I've concocted so far.  Feel GREAT all the time.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 4, 2012, 11:38pm; Reply: 11
swami is much more complex than that Jeremy

Quoted Text
Dr D on MT:
I looked at metabolic typing back in the early 1980's. There is essentially no scientific literature on the subject other than a book by Dr. Watson in 1972 and another by a Dr. Willey in the late 1980's. In both cases the authors provide no corroborating evidence (i.e other studies to support
disease susceptibilities, or a functional understanding of physiology) to support their contentions, nor has any gene or chromosome site ever been identified which could be linked to any 'metabolic type' per se. The result is little better than tossing a coin.
Posted by: Dianne, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 10:32am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Teresa S
According with this June newsletter:

"SWAMI XP2—The Second Generation Arrives in July with New Features"


Thanks for the info. I look forward to the changes.  :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 2:27pm; Reply: 13
What exactly does the "kosher" box do to the SWAMI report?

I have a SWAMI run by a professional, and she checked off "kosher" on mine. I still see non-kosher meats and fishes in my "neutral" and "beneficial" lists. There aren't any meat/milk combinaions in my genoharmonic combinations, but I don't know whether that's due to the kosher box on SWAMI or if it just worked out that way for me personally.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 4:11pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What exactly does the "kosher" box do to the SWAMI report?

I have a SWAMI run by a professional, and she checked off "kosher" on mine. I still see non-kosher meats and fishes in my "neutral" and "beneficial" lists. There aren't any meat/milk combinaions in my genoharmonic combinations, but I don't know whether that's due to the kosher box on SWAMI or if it just worked out that way for me personally.


SWAMI Xpress does not currently allow one to specify a Kosher prerequisite on foods.

SWAMI Xpress version 2 adds the same functionality that was already in SWAMI GenoType when you had it ran by a professional.


Selecting Kosher in the prerequisites dropdown should eliminate nonkosher foods from beneficial and neutral lists. This works for me on obvious nonkosher foods (obvious is for me).  It may be that there is an ignorance factor here. So SWAMI may include a few foods that are not kosher, that I either do not know is nonkosher or would know if I thought about the food but do not notice it when I scan the lists.  




On non Kosher foods appearing in your list:

As I noted above most of the functionality was first tested in SWAMI GenoType, with the hopes of eliminating any problems before including it in the consumer version.

When the Kosher and vegetarian options were first introduced there were some problems, but they seem to be working correctly now.

It may be your list was made while this functionality was still being debugged.

If the list is fairly recent, you can help improve the product by filing a bug report:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-xpress/m-1247917643/

Essentially a food has to be marked in the software has being non kosher. If this mark is missing on people's food.

If there is a question about whether a food is presently excluded because it is nonkosher, I will be happy to test to verify whether the software currently recognizes that a food is nonkosher.




On genoharmonic combinations I do not think it checks for dairy/meat combos, particularly within the lists on the right. I have not tested (mostly because I do not have not done SWAMI for Bs, but also because I have never done a SWAMI for someone that observes halakha guidelines)
Posted by: yvonneb, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 5:45pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Jane
more specificity about existing conditions


YEY!!!!!

;D ;D ;D (clap)(clap)(clap) ;D ;D ;D

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 16
The latest version of my SWAMI is from last August. Was that before or after it was debugged?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 6:04pm; Reply: 17
Ran SWAMI for an O Gatherer with and without Kosher specified. These are some food that I notice becoming avoids on Kosher setting: Rabbit, Catfish, bear, Horse, Kangaroo, Marrow Soup, Eel, shark (other non kosher foods were already avoids).
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 6:05pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from ruthiegirl
The latest version of my SWAMI is from last August. Was that before or after it was debugged?


After-Kosher was working for me then.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 6:15pm; Reply: 19
There's no reason marrow soup should be non-kosher, assuming it's made from kosher bones.

My SWAMI gives me Oppossum as neutral. I don't know enough about kosher birds to recognize if there are any non-kosher options in the poultry section. In the seafood section, there are a whole bunch of non-kosher options: jellyfish is neutral and snails are beneficial. I'm not overly familiar with the various fishes to know which of the others may be non-kosher; there's such a huge variety of seafoods on SWAMI and I only eat a handful of them (partly due to availability and partly due to price.)

Swordfish is a questionable fish kashrut-wise, because it has fins and scales at one point in development then loses one of them (not sure which one) at another point. Some rabbis say it's kosher and some say it isn't. I personally won't eat it, but for the purposes of SWAMI it may as well stay in the "kosher" list so that those kosher consumers who choose to eat it can know if it's healthy for them or not.

The vast majority of the "easily recognizable as non-kosher" seafoods are already in the "avoid" column, but I'm not sure if that's because of the kosher setting or because they're not healthy for me.

There are way more foods on SWAMI than I'm able to personally obtain, so I don't really worry about it. Many of the fruits and live foods are too expensive for me to buy or completely unavailable to me, but there aren't any kosher concerns with them.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 7:28pm; Reply: 20
Quoted Text
There's no reason marrow soup should be non-kosher, assuming it's made from kosher bones.


I wondered why it was not kosher, but it moved a diamond superfood to a full avoid in my hypothetical client.

Possum if I thought about I would have said it does not have hooves and does not chew cud (but I did not think).

SWAMI still appears to consider

Jellyfish, dried, salted  and
Snail, Escargot  

Kosher.




I will email Bob about Jellyfish, Snails, marrow soup, opossom, and marrow soup and we should be able to get those values corrected.

Thanks.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 8:03pm; Reply: 21
On poultry:

Also included Ostrich in my nonkosher request (since it appears to be impure in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14), although I read some counter opinions.

To my logic Emu should be nonkosher, but it is not mentioned in scripture, so I let it go.

Grouse might be questionable.

these appear kosher: : Chicken, Turkey (a few said might not), Quail,Cornish Hens, Squab ,Goose, Duck, Partridge and Pheasant

Guinea Hen I presume is kosher, but I did not find a rating.
Posted by: chrissyA, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 8:18pm; Reply: 22
A vegetarian option?!?!?! Hooray!!!!!(clap)(dance)(woot)(ondrugs)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 8:27pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from chrissyA
A vegetarian option?!?!?! Hooray!!!


Actually several -- depending on if you eat eggs or dairy products.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 8:33pm; Reply: 24
Birds are listed specifically in the Torah, and the rabbis sometimes disagree about the modern translations of those names. Turkeys were native to North America and some rabbis said "we don't have a history of eating this bird back in Europe so it's not kosher" while others either thought it was similar enough to European birds to fall into the same category, or perhaps they thought it was another species of bird mentioned in Torah that was unknown in Europe. I'm not sure of the exact criteria, but rabbis I trust say turkey is kosher and that's what I follow.

With mammals it's a whole lot simpler. Either it has split hooves and chews its cud (aka, has 4 stomachs and eats grass) or it doesn't. Horses have the 4 stomachs but not the split hooves. Pigs have the split hooves but doesn't chew its cud. Neither animal is kosher. Any new species of mammal found can be evaluated for those two signs, so we know if it's kosher or not.

IMO, any food that's rabbinically questionable (some rabbis say yes, others say no) should remain in the "kosher" section for SWAMI purposes.  SWAMI should list any "potentially kosher" food for healthiness; people can consult their rabbis for Kashrut questions. It's far easier to ignore 2 or 3 foods (swordfish and turkey, possibly other poultry) if your family or community doesn't eat those foods than it is to ignore a dozen seafood items in your SWAMI beneficial list.
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:02pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What exactly does the "kosher" box do to the SWAMI report?

I have a SWAMI run by a professional, and she checked off "kosher" on mine. I still see non-kosher meats and fishes in my "neutral" and "beneficial" lists. There aren't any meat/milk combinaions in my genoharmonic combinations, but I don't know whether that's due to the kosher box on SWAMI or if it just worked out that way for me personally.
I do not remember ever having heard of a meat/dairy G-H combination.  It is possible that none exist and quite unlikely that you would see any in your Swami even if they do.  Since Meat and Dairy are well defined categories, the restriction should be easy to implement.

Posted by: Conor, Saturday, June 9, 2012, 9:41pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Either it has split hooves and chews its cud (aka, has 4 stomachs and eats grass) or it doesn't. Horses have the 4 stomachs but not the split hooves.

Hi ruthiegirl, horses, like humans, are monogastric, having only a single stomach with a single chamber. Horses are unable to regurgitate their food, i.e., chew cud, due to the one-way only aspect of their esophageal sphincter, which is one of the reasons colic is the leading cause of premature death in domesticated horses. Unlike us, they can't vomit. Which is why any obstruction in a horse's GI tract is a serious matter. Ruminants, such as cattle, actually only have one physical stomach but they do have four separate chambers within that stomach ... which makes for very effective digestion of grasses, et cetera. You're defintely right about horses not having split hooves, though, because you then have a whole other set of (unpleasnat) problems if your horse does have a cracked/split hoof. :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, June 10, 2012, 6:57pm; Reply: 27
Ah, I didn't know that about horses. I thought that all grass-eating animals had the same ruminant 4-chambered stomach. In any case, horses are clearly non-kosher.
Posted by: Conor, Sunday, June 10, 2012, 7:03pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Ah, I didn't know that about horses. I thought that all grass-eating animals had the same ruminant 4-chambered stomach. In any case, horses are clearly non-kosher.

Yes, probably why I could never trust anyone that ate a horse. It's just wrong (and I know some cultures do, but they're flat-out wrong). (angry) (wink)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, June 10, 2012, 7:05pm; Reply: 29
Eh. I don't judge people by their dietary choices, especially if it's a cultural thing.
Posted by: dalkantrell, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 5:34am; Reply: 30
I asked Swami Xpress support if the software would receive it's update in July as someone previously posted. I was told that it would be in the fall.

Just wanted to share that with everyone.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 6:27am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Conor
Yes, probably why I could never trust anyone that ate a horse. It's just wrong (and I know some cultures do, but they're flat-out wrong). (angry) (wink)
Apparently until as recently as 2,000 years ago, horses were only ever raised for food... :-/ ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 8:16am; Reply: 32
so how will I know that I have been updated?
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 2:22pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Goldie
so how will I know that I have been updated?


My SWAMI profile has my email address.  Couldn't they just email us?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 2:42pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Goldie
so how will I know that I have been updated?


There are substantial differences in the version. So I think it will be quite noticeable if you login (I was going to say obvious, but some people look at software differently than me).

There will also be plenty of activity on the forums noting the release, if you do not login regularly.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 2:52pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from 10384


My SWAMI profile has my email address.  Couldn't they just email us?


If you subscribe to the DNP newsletter (which is emailed), It will be noted there.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 3:16pm; Reply: 36
Did anyone else get an e-mail asking permission to make changes to their swami?  There wasn't any request for passwords etc. So I thought they might need this for their changes.  I also thought they would just tell us in the news letter.  
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 37
I have not seen such an email.  What email address did it come from and what did they ask to change?
Posted by: Johnny B., Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 7:21pm; Reply: 38
I remember getting that e-mail asking for permission to update.
Posted by: Johnny B., Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 7:22pm; Reply: 39
They're probably working out glitches which is why we're waiting.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 7:52pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from C_Sharp
I have not seen such an email.  What email address did it come from and what did they ask to change?


sorry, I didn't save it, just took a look.  I do remember they didn't ask for any account # or password and I believe it came over the member center but I might be mistaken on that.  I do remember looking very hard for what they were asking and yes it was to update.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 7:53pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from Johnny B.
I remember getting that e-mail asking for permission to update.


yes that was it "permission to update"
Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 1:47pm; Reply: 42
There is a new version of SWAMI (XP2) that is in final testing. It allows multiple intakes (i.e. family members) and generates merged diets. It will simply replace your existing version one fine day.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 2:25pm; Reply: 43
cool! :)
Posted by: chrissyA, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 2:32pm; Reply: 44
Tremendously exciting(ondrugs)
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, July 26, 2012, 3:02pm; Reply: 45
Better that it work adequately than be available quickly, though I for one will be very grateful to finally have a multiple intake feature similar to the BTD software.

Posted by: Vista, Sunday, July 29, 2012, 7:16pm; Reply: 46
Looking forward to the update!  :)
Posted by: Jenny, Monday, July 30, 2012, 7:03am; Reply: 47
But take your time Dr D. if that will help make the final product even more perfect! :D
Posted by: Lin, Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 10:33pm; Reply: 48
This is exciting news Dr. D.!  Curious and looking forward to seeing the update :)
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