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Posted by: Dirty, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 4:12pm
Hello everyone. This is not really a new thread but a continuation of the original. The other one got so big that most people wouldn't read it in it's entirety anyway.So to keep from having to go through page after page and all the confusion, I made this one. If you want to get any info from the original here is the link:

Now for the new part. I talked to my licensed drug dealer (actually her assistant. The one with the license doesn't talk to me anymore. But her assistant is a little nicer and a little more open minded) and I asked him what he thought about Propranolol. This is because some people here recommended it and I try to take all the advice I can get. I told him that I wanted to take as few drugs as possible (Ideally none) and if he thought that taking Propanolol could potentially replace the Atenolol and Xanax. I told him to take his time and research this option if he would like to make sure this was reasonable, as I am pretty patient and want things to be right. He immediately jumped on board and wrote me a prescription for 25mg. of Propanolol. He told me to stop the Atenolol for 1 week, then start taking the Propanolol. He told me to continue taking the same amout of Xanax for the next week or two, then if I felt like everything was going well, to start cutting down the Xanax. I took the propranolol the first time yesterday. Today is my second day. The bottle says to take 3 per day, though I am only taking one per day for now as I never take as much of anything they want me to. I don't do well on alot of anything. The past week without the Atenolol was kind of rough, but other than a few flutters here and there, no big deal. Yesterday, after taking the Propanolol I did feel a little brain daed for some reason, and a little lethargic most of the day. Towards the end of the day I was felling a little more energy and worked until dark. I actually got to bed by 10pm. I haven't done that in forever. I did have 2 big palpitations just before dark, and will go more into that later when I have more time. I took my Propanolol today about 2 hours ago, and seem kind of spaced out now. Maybe this will take a while to get used to.

I just wanted to update everyone that was reading the original thread if your still interested, and let everyone know what going on now. I will try to get some more detail later on today about yesterday's palpitations. I hope by changing threads doesn't break some rules here or inconvenience anyone.

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 6:13pm; Reply: 1
Creating a Part 2 thread to continue a long one is a good idea and is very appropriate.  Thank you.  :)
Posted by: D.L., Sunday, June 3, 2012, 6:25pm; Reply: 2
I have fast and irregular heartbeat. I'm supposed to be taking a beta blocker for my heart, but I don't, because it makes me very tired.  After doing a lot of research, I take supplements instead, which are targeted for the heart. I walk on my treadmill several times a day and do the same exercises I learned in cardio-rehab. I don't do anything where I have to bend over, as that makes me dizzy and my heart beat funny. Most of the time that works pretty well, unless I push myself too hard or lift things that are real heavy (like yesterday)
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, June 3, 2012, 7:04pm; Reply: 3
Yeah, the bending over has been a trigger at times for my arrhythmia.  For sure.  I hope the drugs all work out dirty.  I pray you can get off of them completely.  And possibly do like I do and have an AS NEEDED thing.  Although I'm not anywhere near as active as you.  That's how I've avoided needing them.  But it doesn't sound like that is an option for you, so I feel for you!!!!  It will all work out though.  
Posted by: Spring, Monday, June 4, 2012, 10:06pm; Reply: 4
Dirty, I have been the same way about starting a new drug in the past. Likely, you are going to have the odd feeling of one sort or another, some worse than others, until you get past this part of your treatment. Just do hang in there, though, if you possibly can. Xanax, in particular, can act like a sick, self-possessed, mentally ill lover when you start saying "No!" to its crazy antics!! But you sound like a really strong, take-it-on-the-chin kind of guy, so I think you will do just great! But do give yourself the time you will need to reduce your contact with this character. You will be one happy guy when you are out on the other side!! Just know that you have something really great to look forward to in the not too distant future!! (sunny)
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 4:17am; Reply: 5
Oh, and BTW, Dirty, it was really great to hear how you are doing! I've been worried about you!!
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 1:20pm; Reply: 6
I am of the opinion, 2 cents..  .... follow me here..

1) you have been getting attacks no matter what you where on in terms of pills.. so nothing really helped so far.. so you have little to worry.. then..

I am still asking how high do the pulse numbers go when you feel the palpitations.. 90 or 200?  that would make all the difference here..

I would wait until you get he next attack, then take a pill right away.. or even as you feel or anticipate on attack, take the Prop. ... change nothing else in life.. to keep things steady.. mentally.. even keel....

IF the pulse it is within the lower 90 but you feeeeeel it strongly then I would take the propranalol and lie down and meditate.. slow down thinking : This will pass!  I will be ok.. and repeat that endlessly if need be, many times out loud, UNTIL you HEAR IT on the insides.... breathing regularly..

IF oxygen goes lower then 90 also breath more deeply but comfortably.. ..
if it is in the 90'tis then just breath normally.. take you oxymeter everywhere so you have it to RELAX the situation with knowledge..

THE PULSE will tell you if the attack is from fear, or causes fear.. that knowledge is important, as the one will make the situation worse, while the other will get calmed down with the repetition  of the above mantra.

The propranalol should start working in a short while - 30 minutes ... LEARN to trust that.. lessen the fear..

2)    IF however the pulse is 99 or more then I would start the day or afternoon with a propranalol as a  preventative.. and see if you can manipulate the time you would get he next attack.. ARE THE attacks cyclical time wise???  OR brought on by stress??.. or by  bending down to take shoes off or dealing with clothes on or off or some other activity of bending?????  == but bending might have more to do with testing that.. since there is no prolapse in your heart I think that will apply less to you.. but you can try that at your own time.. just bend once or twice and get up slowly..

I don't think you should feel any ill effects from Prop as you describe .. It does not work that way.. You may be feeling 'different' for other reasons.. like even the old meds wearing off?? or wearing off of your nerves, or mind working,, without the older drug???  

Here trust in you is important as this is a waiting game.. also trust that you might not get any more attacks.. so don't mentally make your self  WAIT for it..

3)   I would hold off on all expectations until you are off zanac as that will be more difficult.
Maybe however wait until the Prop can start working the way you deem best for you.. IT is fast acting .. nice..  Zanac is emotionally difficult to let go.. so go easy even if it takes a later time.. get one thing sorted out patiently.. then tackle the next one.. easy slowly..

I pm you ..

Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, June 7, 2012, 7:46pm; Reply: 7
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, June 7, 2012, 7:50pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from AKArtlover

coenzyme Q10, L-carnitine, and D-ribose
Interesting indeed!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, June 7, 2012, 7:50pm; Reply: 9
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 7, 2012, 7:57pm; Reply: 10
from that link.. ... coenzyme Q10, L-carnitine, and D-ribose,   the later is in Trehalose Complex..

This review is from: Beat Your A-Fib: The Essential Guide to Finding Your Cure: Written in everyday language for patients with Atrial Fibrillation (Paperback)
I suffered from lone atrial fibrillation (atrial fibrillation without underlying heart disease) for 15 years before finally finding my cure through a catheter ablation carried out by Pr. Jais in Bordeaux, France. During those 15 years I did a substantial amount of research trying to find a cure on my own. I did not succeed, but many afibbers I know, if not cured, have at least managed to keep their afib under control by eliminating common triggers such as alcohol and caffeine, and through dealing with underlying causes such as electrolyte imbalances, sleep apnea, inappropriate diets, excessive exercise, hyperaldosteronism (Conn's syndrome) or by switching to a more appropriate medication for their particular form of lone afib (adrenergic, vagal or mixed).

I believe the most important point that every newly-diagnosed afibber must understand is that, although having atrial fibrillation can ruin your quality of life, it is not, by itself, life-threatening. Once this is firmly established in the mind of the afibber he/she can move forward in search of a cure and avoid making hasty or ill-advised decisions regarding treatment. This is where Steve Ryan's new book "Beat Your A-fib: The Essential Guide to Finding Your Cure" will be of tremendous help. First of all it offers HOPE. Hope that you need not be afflicted by this miserable condition for the rest of your life. Steve's book covers all the basics like "How serious is this illness?" , "How did I get it and why does it keep recurring?" , "What tests are needed to properly diagnose the condition?" Equally important, "Beat Your A-fib" covers all the angles regarding treatment from drugs to surgery and last, but certainly not least, provides invaluable advice on how to find a knowledgeable and competent physician (electrophysiologist). Rounding off the book are 16 personal afib journeys helping you to see that afib need not be a lifelong sentence of misery but that a cure is possible. About the only criticism of "Beat Your A-fib" is that the author(s) do not sufficiently distinguish between "common" atrial fibrillation and lone atrial fibrillation. They really are two quite distinct entities with different causes, vastly different stroke risks (lone afibbers have no excess stroke risk attributable to the disorder as such), and significantly different long-term prognosis.

Hans R. Larsen, Editor, The AFIB Report
Posted by: Joyce, Friday, June 8, 2012, 5:54pm; Reply: 11
The first link I posted in the original thread is to the forum owned/run by Hans Larsen - the best resource I have seen anywhere for learning about arrhythmia.
Posted by: meh206, Saturday, June 9, 2012, 1:07am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Joyce
The first link I posted in the original thread is to the forum owned/run by Hans Larsen - the best resource I have seen anywhere for learning about arrhythmia.

I agree
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