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Posted by: Possum, Friday, May 25, 2012, 7:32am
Does anyone else react to fresh lemon? Within 30-40 minutes of eating anything with lemon in it or using lemon oil for cleaning, I am bloated & burping lemon... ::)

Just earlier this afternoon I had some bone broth...I don't normally bother but thinking I'd be extra diligent, I had added half a frozen organic lemon yesterday while it was cooking...

Now I have a break out on my chin & am burping lemon & feeling bloated :( I guess the lemon could have been concentrated toward the top of the broth but it's the umpteenth time I have reacted this way to either lemon or grapefruit ??) ::)
Is it really necessary to add lemon to help draw out the calcium?
Posted by: Possum, Friday, May 25, 2012, 10:38am; Reply: 1
In researching an answer, I found that Vit B5 is crucial & interestingly, lemons/citrus reactions are caused by a deficiency in B5??!! Makes sense as a lot of the foods I end up not eating enough of are the ones high in B5!! Also explains why I feel better when I eat beef... which has high amounts... ;-)
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, May 25, 2012, 2:04pm; Reply: 2
How interesting, Possum....Wonder if you're low in other Bs as well.

Here's a list of some high B5 foods.  Can you have calves liver?

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=87

Here's more..... about B5 deficiency symptoms.

Pantothenic acid or vitamin B5 is present in a huge range of food products including meats like liver, kidney, and chicken. Vegetables and whole grains also contain large amounts of this vitamin.

This essential vitamin is actively made inside the body by bacteria present in the small intestine. As a result, it’s very rare to find signs of vitamin B5 deficiency. Patients who demonstrate deficiency symptoms of Vitamin B5 are usually malnourished. Vitamin B5 oral treatment is an acceptable mode of therapy.

A few signs that indicate a significant deficiency of Vitamin B5 are:

1. The first signs of vitamin B5 deficiency are burning sensations in the hands and feet and numbness coupled with poor coordination.
2. This vitamin is extremely essential for acetylcholine synthesis which is required for muscle contractions and its deficiency can cause muscle cramps, numbness, and tingling sensations of muscles which make them very uncomfortable.
3. This vitamin also contributes to producing energy inside the body. As a result, common symptoms of vitamin B5 deficiency in the body are irritability, fatigue, tiredness, and apathy.
4. Intestinal symptoms like diarrhea, vomiting, and water retention are also other deficiency related symptoms.
5. Vitamin B5 contributes to sugar metabolism, so its deficiency causes increased sensitivity of tissue cells to blood sugar levels. This causes a drop in blood sugar levels resulting in Hypoglycemia. Sleep disturbances, restlessness, and irritability are prime symptoms of a falling blood sugar level and indicate a deficiency of Vitamin B5.

Notice it says B5 is made  by bacteria....Deductive reasoning got me wondering if you need more good bacteria
in your gut, Possum...more pbx?  More foods with pre-biotics?  Cultured veggies?
Posted by: Spring, Friday, May 25, 2012, 2:36pm; Reply: 3
Very interesting indeed! I have been taking it in supplement form since I was fourteen! (smile)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, May 25, 2012, 4:47pm; Reply: 4
All citrus gives me heartburn (acid stomach) and therefore I never add any lemon to bone stock.  I simmer or crock-pot cook grass-fed beef knuckle bones for around 12 hours.  It makes a wonderful stock that is similar to a soft jello.
Posted by: 18545 (Guest), Friday, May 25, 2012, 6:10pm; Reply: 5
All citrus bothers me.  It's not just the acid either.  One type of gluten free bread always bothered me and I couldn't understand why.  They were using citrus pulp as a filler in the bread.  I always thought it was just an allergy but after all the information I read on these forums I don't think I even understand what an allergy is anymore.  Ah, when life was uncomplicated and I just thought I had a stomach ache.
Posted by: Possum, Friday, May 25, 2012, 8:37pm; Reply: 6
Thanks guys!!

Chloe, I am sure you are right re the need for more good bacteria in the gut... but interestingly, the only thing I suffer from that could be attributed to B5 deficiency is the fluid retention ;)

So Victoria you don't add lemon or apple cider vinegar to make your stock?
I could kick myself as it was fantastic stock & I go & ruin its usability (for me anyway), trying to make it better by adding lemon ::) Aaah well looks like my man is getting soup today ;)

Still - I learned heaps researching, in the meantime!!
Posted by: Lin, Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 7
Possum,
could it be related to the Histamine problem?
Lin
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 2:56am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Possum

So Victoria you don't add lemon or apple cider vinegar to make your stock?
I could kick myself as it was fantastic stock & I go & ruin its usability (for me anyway), trying to make it better by adding lemon ::)


I don't add anything to it, just relying on the length of cooking time to break down the bone and cartilage.  I believe Lola has said that the lemon helps to dissolve the bone.  I just wouldn't be able to use the stock if I added the lemon.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 3:41am; Reply: 9
Lately lemon bothers my stomach. I am not sure why but my salads taste better and I am digesting the food without the lemon juice with less problems.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 3:45am; Reply: 10
Thanks Victoria - I certainly have had no trouble breaking down the bones by simply prolonging the cooking time, in the past... & the lamb shop bones get soft enough doing it that way, to chew right up & I can easily gnaw the ends right off the turkey bones too ;)

Am right now reheating the stock & adding vegs to use as soup for my husband & I could still smell the lemon in the air & it was hurting my eyes... ::) :-/

That's interesting Marjorie!! I am sure glad I am not alone in this ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 5:18am; Reply: 11
lemon helps extract the calcium from the bone and should not be added while cooking the broth but right after turning off the heat.....stir well and let cool
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 5:24am; Reply: 12
Thanks Lola - Aah well I would still have reacted either way... but good for others to know... ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 5:30am; Reply: 13
Interesting that this citrus 'sensitivity' seems to cut across all BT's??  

I seldom eat lemon, it is just to strong for me, but in some way I wish I would add it to some foods -like we used to, on breaded meat.. or on fish as that then would allow me to eat it in the first place.  I do not like the taste of fish.. but feel I ought to have some lemon yet never make the effort.

What do your Swami's say? Would it be a diamond or just neutral?  Neutral foods for me are basically not on my list except for maybe three things total..  I get chin reactions within 10 minutes, even sometimes from very little, but still it's 'there'...

Interesting that oranges is BTD avoid.. again Dr D is right.

As for lemon drops, the kind in a metal box, real sour, could be used to open up mouth glandular or ear gland blockages.. eat three at a time..  
  
(Dr James D, talked about reducing banana.. another lesson.. for me impossible to resist when I see one, but frozen slices allow for great reduction..effortless, without feeling deprived.. )
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, May 26, 2012, 5:40am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Goldie
Interesting that this citrus 'sensitivity' seems to cut across all BT's??  

I seldom eat lemon, it is just to strong for me, but in some way I wish I would add it to some foods -like we used to, on breaded meat.. or on fish as that then would allow me to eat it in the first place.  I do not like the taste of fish.. but feel I ought to have some lemon yet never make the effort.

What do your Swami's say? Would it be a diamond or just neutral?  Neutral foods for me are basically not on my list except for maybe three things total..  I get chin reactions within 10 minutes, even sometimes from very little, but still it's 'there'...
I don't have a swami, so not sure...but I'm exactly the same!! Mostly these days all I get are annoying bumps on middle or edges of my chin, & occasionally on cheeks...:( It also doesn't take a lot of an offending ingredient (even a whiff of an aftershave) to re-break out a sensitive spot that has recently healed... They say cells have memories :-/


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