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Posted by: tolondontoparis, Sunday, May 13, 2012, 10:41pm
Does anyone react to generic brands? I am terribly afraid of my skin reacting, what do you use?

I wash my hair once a week, if that. I have african-american hair. A super thick afro, and just don't want to break out from avoids in products coming in contact with my skin.

This is me btwww http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnoyew7FdgE&feature=youtube_gdata
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, May 13, 2012, 11:12pm; Reply: 1
Hi there!! Loved watching your video & seeing you in person (except the ouchy bits where you started taking out the braids lol) Btw you looked amazing in your prom shots!!

It's cool that you love your hair & in answer to your question - most shampoos strip the natural oils out of hair, which is why you end up needing to also use conditioner It's a marketing ploy to sell more product... ::)

I have been washing my hair with conditioner alone, or would you believe - with bicarbonate of soda & water (occasionally followed with conditioner) or a mix of a good non-foaming organic shampoo & bicarb together (which makes it foam) Some people on here just use oils ;) With your heritage, Moroccan oil would be good wouldn't it? Or you could try coconut oil?!

Generic shampoos etc are sometimes good, but it depends on the ingredients ;) The reason shampoos foam is just to make you think they are doing their job... They don't need to & it is actually the foaming agent that is bad for our hair ::)
Posted by: tolondontoparis, Monday, May 14, 2012, 12:07am; Reply: 2
Quoted from Possum
Hi there!! Loved watching your video & seeing you in person (except the ouchy bits where you started taking out the braids lol) Btw you looked amazing in your prom shots!!

It's cool that you love your hair & in answer to your question - most shampoos strip the natural oils out of hair, which is why you end up needing to also use conditioner It's a marketing ploy to sell more product... ::)

I have been washing my hair with conditioner alone, or would you believe - with bicarbonate of soda & water (occasionally followed with conditioner) or a mix of a good non-foaming organic shampoo & bicarb together (which makes it foam) Some people on here just use oils ;) With your heritage, Moroccan oil would be good wouldn't it? Or you could try coconut oil?!

Generic shampoos etc are sometimes good, but it depends on the ingredients ;) The reason shampoos foam is just to make you think they are doing their job... They don't need to & it is actually the foaming agent that is bad for our hair ::)


Oh my gosh! You are like an all knowing hair guru! Thank You! I am so going to dry that! And get some Moroccan oil!
Posted by: Possum, Monday, May 14, 2012, 12:12am; Reply: 3
Thanks hun lol I'm not... :B :D But glad I could help you ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, May 14, 2012, 12:57am; Reply: 4
Several years ago, I switched off all products that contain either soap or detergent, OR chemicals.  I use Morrocco Method International shampoos, rotating between their Apple Cider Vinegar, Sea Essence and Earth Essence shampoos.  They use soap bark and lots of seaweed, herbs and essential oils.  

And their Chi conditioner is awesome too.  It's the only conditioner I use.  It took several weeks for my hair to adapt to not having the oils stripped and then put back in via oil conditioners.  Now my hair has never been more shiny and healthy.

https://morroccomethod.com/

My health food store carries the basic shampoos and the Chi conditioner for cheaper than the website.  
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, May 14, 2012, 2:43am; Reply: 5
Thank you Victoria! They ship internationally  :D 8)
Posted by: marjorie, Monday, May 14, 2012, 3:07am; Reply: 6
I checked out this website as well, and it looks great. Thanks V, I struggle with finding the right hair products as well.

How often do people wash their hair? I am curly with more towards the dry so I can go up to a few days and then I have to wash it.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, May 14, 2012, 4:53am; Reply: 7
Since switching to Morrocco Method, I wash and condition twice a week.  I was a daily shampooer for 40 years, not realizing that I was dehydrating my hair and scalp.

I stopped all the brushing too and just finger-comb my hair as it dries.  Just a few gentle swipes with a large tooth comb to finish up.  When I wake up in the morning, part of my morning stretches/breathing and energy work is to do a gentle scalp massage with my fingertips while doing full breathing, head down.  and then running fingers through my hair to distribute my scalp's natural oils.

I'm intrigued by horn combs, like this one.  I just ordered this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Scalp-Massager-Wide-Tooth-Sheep-Horn/dp/B006YI5JNK/ref=pd_sim_sbs_bt_4

Fascinating - they're made from sheep's horn and the material is keratin, similar to human hair - no static, no snagging.

Yaeli, I hope you like the products and you, too Marjorie, if you try them.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, May 14, 2012, 5:21am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Victoria
I stopped all the brushing too and just finger-comb my hair as it dries.  Just a few gentle swipes with a large tooth comb to finish up.  When I wake up in the morning, part of my morning stretches/breathing and energy work is to do a gentle scalp massage with my fingertips while doing full breathing, head down.  and then running fingers through my hair to distribute my scalp's natural oils.
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Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 14, 2012, 2:32pm; Reply: 9
I used to wash my hair with diluted baking soda, then rinse with diluted apple cider vinegar (ACV.) I realized that it wasn't working too well for my fine, thin, oily hair though- if I used enough to keep my scalp from feeling itchy, it "bleached" my hair and it looked unhealthy. About a year ago, I switched to using castille soap on my scalp, scrubbing it in so I'd get my scalp nice and clean without over-drying my hair. I continue with the diluted ACV rinse.

My routine is to wet my hair, wash it, rinse it, wash the rest of my body, then switch the water from shower to bathtub spout, pour a little ACV in the big plastic cup I keep in the shower, pour that over my head, then fill the cup again with plain water and rinse my hair again. I also use the neti pot in the shower, and end by rinsing my eyes with leftover saline solution after rinsing my hair.

I've heard of people putting a dab of coconut oil on their hands and rubbing it through towel-dried hair, in lieu of using conditioner. My hair really doesn't need it, but that might work well for your thick, curly hair. Having "just enough" oil on your hair helps control the frizzies, and you may want to add oil to your hair even on days you dont' wash it.  The key with using coconut oil on hair is to use a TINY amount. Maybe 1/4 teaspoon on your whole head- rub a little between your hands and then carefully run your hands through your hair.

I wash my hair daily, because I sweat a lot from my scalp and it gets very itchy if I don't wash it regularly. I suspect I'm detoxing through my scalp and there are a lot of toxins in my sweat that cause itching if they're not washed off promptly. I'm curious to see if my hair needs to be washed less often once I feel fully healed and energetic (of course, by then I'll probably be in menopause and I'll wonder if it's the hormonal changes.)  I've read a ton of things about how it's healthier to wash your hair less often, the natural oils are  good for your hair, your scalp will stop making so much oil if you stop stripping it with harsh shampoos, etc. But none of that worked for me personally.
Posted by: Enobattar, Monday, May 14, 2012, 4:28pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from tolondontoparis
Does anyone react to generic brands? I am terribly afraid of my skin reacting, what do you use?

I wash my hair once a week, if that. I have african-american hair. A super thick afro, and just don't want to break out from avoids in products coming in contact with my skin.



About 20 years I began to break out with a rash on my neck below my ears.  Immediately stopped using any product with any ingredient that contain sodium laurel sulfate and any ingredient that contained ...glycol, ...paraben, etc., and the itchy rash disappeared.   :D

After going the expensive route with some product that I can't remember but really did a good job, I found Grandpa's Pine Tar Soap.  It smells strong and 'off-putting', but please believe me when I tell you it suds up well on your 2nd lather and DOES NOT leave any odor on your hair.

I have found that I know longer need to wash my hair daily, in fact,  I can easily go one week.  :)
Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, May 14, 2012, 10:42pm; Reply: 11
I use diluted Dr. Bronner's as hair and body wash. Ever since I started doing this, my hair has become thicker and no more estrogen dominance!  I dye and highlight my hair once every few months (greys... but more for fashion than the greys).

In a 16 oz bottle (old Dr. Bronner's bottle - finally empty!):

1.5 oz Dr. Bronner's Tea Tree formula (about 1:10 - soap to water ratio)
1 oz Grapeseed Oil
0.5 oz Thieves' Oil mix (I just wanted something smelly... and the antibacterial properties rock)
1 oz vegetable glycerine (for extra moisture and bubbles)

Mix the above first by tilting the bottle and letting the soap, oil, and glycerine assimilate.

Fill the bottle to the top with warm water and SHAKE.

Use as both hair wash and body wash. Dr. Bronner's is thick without dilution and will leave a residue feeling in the hair. IF you dilute it enough, it will rinse off cleanly. You can do a final rinse with apple cider vinegar or lemon juice if you want to get rid of the residue (from not diluting enough).

I only wash my hair about 2 times a week now. I use a boar bristle brush or wooden pin brush or comb. My hair is so much stronger and healthier now. I have had baby fine hair fall out and thicker hair grow in. Mom is amazed with the change in hair texture that she is using the same thing.
Posted by: chrissyA, Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:23pm; Reply: 12
tolondontoparis - You're really beautiful  :)
Posted by: Seraffa, Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 3:29am; Reply: 13
I use Pears' Soap because I have extra-porous, fine hair, and the herb oils in Pears are just the right amount to act as a conditioner. Until I can have homeade glycerine soap, I can still break out in itchy red bumps sometimes. I'm aiming for a glycerine soap with no added "avoids" oils, and I just found a recipie for natural hair gel that is type A compliant.  :)
Posted by: tolondontoparis, Thursday, May 24, 2012, 4:00pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from chrissyA
tolondontoparis - You're really beautiful  :)


Wow, Thank You so much! **Blushes**
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, May 24, 2012, 6:41pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from chrissyA
tolondontoparis - You're really beautiful  :)


I agree - You're quite gorgeous.  If you begin eating right for your body at the age you are, you're still going to be radiant many, many years down the road!   :D

Yeah, don't put any chemicals on your hair.   :(
Posted by: Susan, Sunday, May 27, 2012, 7:19pm; Reply: 16
For many years, I too have dealt with having an itchy scalp, even though I shampoo daily and rarely use anything on my hair other than hairspray.

I've tried the various dandruff/scalp relief shampoos without long-term success. I've tried using two different shampoos, switching back and forth each day so my scalp doesn't get used to a particular formula. This routine lasted maybe a month before it stopped working. I've tried the baking soda and ACV rinse, but this didn't help the itch and my hair looked dirty/greasy. I also tried the sulfate-free Organix shampoo, which was successful for about three months.

After these trials, I decided I had the best chance of success if I could find the right sulfate-free shampoo. Then, late last year I found the Aubrey Organics Web site (http://www.Aubrey-Organics.com). I bought four different types of shampoo and found the ONE that stopped my itchy scalp -- Rosa Mosqueta. After using this shampoo for a month, I noticed that my scalp rarely felt itchy. I returned the other shampoo bottles, since they each had more than half left in them (per the manufacturer's return/exchange policy), and exchanged them for more of the Rosa Mosqueta shampoo.

When stress at work increases, my scalp starts to get itchy again, but this shampoo definitely helps to alleviate the itch.

You might find the right shampoo from this company too. Good luck!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, May 27, 2012, 7:23pm; Reply: 17
Susan, I think you're on the right track by choosing a shampoo that has no chemicals.  Anytime a product has ingredients that are not basically food-grade, we're taking a risk with our bodies.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Monday, May 28, 2012, 1:35am; Reply: 18
I use soaps from hickory ridge organics(http://www.hickoryridgeorganics.net/) (all natural ingredients) and they have a few shampoo soaps as well. I love all their product and am using their body scrubs, deodorant, soaps and perfume bombs.

I just recently started with their shampoo soaps (peppermint) and my hair loves it. Before that I used the brand "yes to carrots" (http://www.yestocarrots.com) they have 99.9% natural shampoos and conditioners made from carrots, tomatoes or cucumber. I would still like to use this brand but they don't ship outside US, unfortunately.
Posted by: jennyg, Monday, May 28, 2012, 2:41am; Reply: 19
I have a question.  since oranges are an avoid for O's,  and classified as a metabolic inhibitor, could using a shampoo whose second ingredient is orange citrus, make it more difficult to lose weight  or possibly cause you to gain weight?   ??)
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, May 28, 2012, 3:38am; Reply: 20
Using avoids externally is generally acceptable, without causing damage.  In case of allergy, or other adverse reaction, you may need to avoid even external contact...

If you aren't sure whether it is causing some problem, you can always use some other product for several months as a test.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, May 28, 2012, 7:09pm; Reply: 21
Although my hair is not as fine as some, I only use castille soap, I do however put a little coconut oil in my hair after every shower, I use coconut oils for many things though sun cream, moisturiser, deodorant, nail moisturiser, oil pulling, cooking, and so on.

very beautiful looking by the way London Paris. keep it natural, suits you. are you in London or paris at the mo;)
Posted by: 18545 (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2012, 8:21pm; Reply: 22
I've tried using the baking soda/ac vinegar routine...omg....what a mess of curly, frizzy hair.  :o  The dr. bronner's wasn't much better.  I finally just bought a big pump dispenser of popular shampoo and conditioner at a wholesale store and it looks like it will last me forever but my hair looks good.
Posted by: jennyg, Monday, May 28, 2012, 11:55pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from ABJoe
Using avoids externally is generally acceptable, without causing damage.  In case of allergy, or other adverse reaction, you may need to avoid even external contact...

If you aren't sure whether it is causing some problem, you can always use some other product for several months as a test.



Thank you Joe!
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