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Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 2:00pm
Genotypes might have a typical or base Myers Briggs type.  If that is the case then people with different Genotype, but the same MBTI should have different emphasies among their functions.

I am an Explorer - INTP and my iNtuitive score is stonger than all the other scores.  My second score is my Percieving.  These functions are shared with the Explorer "Base" type of ENFP, if memory serves.

What about you?

What is your dominant Genotype, your MBTI type, and the highest scores of that MB test?
Posted by: JillP, Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 5:41pm; Reply: 1
Well Paul, I am an A- Explorer....but I am an ESTJ...I has been YEARS ago when I took the test so I don't remember the scores  ??)

So not sure about your theory of genotype and MBTI...but then again us Explorers are different to start with  8)
Posted by: Lin, Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 10:27pm; Reply: 2
Using Genotype book I was a teacher, but on swami I come out explorer depending on health issues I want to focus on. I am INFP.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Thursday, May 3, 2012, 12:17am; Reply: 3
I'm an INTJ.  The Introversion and iNtuition are strong.  I started doing personality tests in high school and have continued to do them every so often.  For me, Thinking used to be a very high score, but the older I get the closer and closer I keep scoring to Feeling rather than Thinking.  It's now practically borderline between the two.
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, May 3, 2012, 12:54am; Reply: 4
ENTJ here.  Very strong E, low J verging on P.  Strong N, medium T.  Dr. Nash tested me as a Gatherer.
Posted by: Serenity, Thursday, May 3, 2012, 2:56am; Reply: 5
I am an INFJ.  On the last test i scored 60% introverted, 95% intuitive, 63% feeling and judging.  Only the intuition "N" was picked up by swami as being consistant with a warrior genotype.
Posted by: Johnny B., Thursday, May 3, 2012, 2:59am; Reply: 6
If I remember correctly I'm INFJ.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 3, 2012, 5:20am; Reply: 7
remember it well, Paul, all introverts do the opposits at their endings ;).... (book *gifts differings* ) ;D and as being a 5 swifting to 8 is the integrative way for you... says the ennegram ;) (clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)

I experienced lately that I swifted from 5 to 1 meant here is INTP/J to ENTP/J..... :o :B ;D and this description sometimes fits better to explorer natures ;) ... :D
but I think we do show a certain preference to deal with the outer world but also do have stronger traits of all types (of the enneagram and MBTI-types) it always depends of the situation.... of your life....and what kind you're going to affront...(evil)(clown).....
and something else but very important... also the MBTI shows up certain %centages...so far we are both introverts and extraverts....depends of %age and also all about your private situation.....all about tendencies ...

I think the most unhealthy compliment we can get is whithin a meeting of not having seen colleagues during a certain time the outburst: oh you haven't change since....(eek)(oh)(dizzy)(huh)(scared)(funny)(funny)(shrug)....... :X :X(clown)
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, May 4, 2012, 9:46pm; Reply: 8
My inital point was that

                I am an       I     N     T    P  

              with higher          N           P    scores  (usually in the high 80's or 90's)

typical Explorers are    E    N     F    P

My MBTI type bridges to the typical Explorer type through my higher scores.

It may be that a Warrior who was an INTP might have higher N, T, and P scores since ENTP is the typical Warrior MBTI.  Now the "higher score" is definitely a weak concept, but I would like to see if anyone decidedly breaks the mold.

Genotype   Typical MBTI
Hunter       INTJ
Gatherer    ESTJ
Teacher     ISFJ
Explorer    INFP
Warrior      ENTP
Nomad      ESFP

When Jung wrote about the four functions in the two modes of expression, he was of the opinion that the whole framework might need to be abandoned and organised around different principles.

The MBTI might only be partially successful in this regard.

Some MB-style tests:

http://similarminds.com/jung.html
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes1.htm
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/jungiantypestest.html
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, May 4, 2012, 9:57pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from jeanb
ENTJ here.  Very strong E, low J verging on P.  Strong N, medium T.  Dr. Nash tested me as a Gatherer.
ENTJ  with Strong E and N, medium T  with ESTJ - GT ideal.

The strong N is counteridicative of my hypothesis, unless there is incomplete information for Dr. Nash to work with.

I seem to remember different typing for you, JeanB.  You certainly know your way around MBTI if my memory is not playing me false.
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, May 4, 2012, 10:02pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Serenity
I am an INFJ.  On the last test i scored 60% introverted, 95% intuitive, 63% feeling and judging.  Only the intuition "N" was picked up by swami as being consistant with a warrior genotype.
If the higher score threshold is somewhere abover 70% your scores might support my hypotheis.

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Friday, May 4, 2012, 10:45pm; Reply: 11
Nomad and INTJ. The ITJ are relatively strong but the N is low enough that I can go S when I need to.
Posted by: jeanb, Saturday, May 5, 2012, 1:36am; Reply: 12
Hi Paul:

I use Myers Briggs everyday at work, I need a little more convincing of how MBTI works with Genotyping.  

When I saw Dr. Nash last summer she didn't fill out the personality section and I tested as a Gatherer based on my genetic medical history.  

I told her my type, ENTJ, and she entered it in the system and it switched me to an Explorer, but she did say, based on what she saw with my sudden weight gain and lots of Alzheimers in the family, that she would stand by the Gatherer geneotype.  I know she is right on with her typing of me.

Jean
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, May 5, 2012, 1:54am; Reply: 13
Yes I don't think that the weighting of the MBTI alone should be changing the direction of medical analysis.  Just looking to see if the MBTI shows strenght in the general directions of the dominant preferences.

INTP looking for the big pattern.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, May 5, 2012, 7:11am; Reply: 14
Quoted from paul clucas
Genotypes might have a typical or base Myers Briggs type.


When we touched on this years ago, it didn't hold up.
And, of course: There are 6 genotypes; there are 16 MBTI types.

Also: Bear in mind that personality typing polls on this Forum have shown a heavy skew in favor of Introverts, which is the opposite of society at large.

Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 5, 2012, 11:39am; Reply: 15
Paul ...+- ok I might agree... but remember please all is *virtual* ;)and as mentioned in my first reply, we are both sides, depending up to our %centage of E or I. :D

and teachers often are similar described as isfp/j's or infp/j's
hunters can be all types -I observed but are merely prone for E/istp/j's and warriors are merely 8'ts in the enneagramm = ENFP/J's as well as some hunters might be... ;D

I think explorers merely are seen as no 1 or 5 in the enneagram =E-INTP/J's

we can't fix that easily, once a while ago an O nonnie member wrote about that issue as well and said she scored normally infj (but surely she's a hunter) but then overlapped with intp which is next to infj as an edge in the enneagram...it really depends of your situation...
and the traits we show to the outer world are only our prefered-ones to deal with the world.... coz inside we are hoppeling around in the enneagram and use nearly all points from da finest ;) ;D... :X

btw..integrated  no. 9 or so called isfp/j's seem to be(have??) )best chances to be confonded with nearly all types coz they show all goodies of everyone listened in the enneagram.....
and I remarked something else.... today for me the most valid system is your personal horoscope!!!
Why...coz it shows up the indicated comparisons...equal if you are living them or not... your full potential is shown....
(smile)(ok)(smarty)
Posted by: 18545 (Guest), Saturday, May 5, 2012, 10:18pm; Reply: 16
This is interesting so I took the test.
istj with a strong in the t
i'm either a hunter or an explorer
Posted by: san j, Saturday, May 5, 2012, 10:21pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Nomad and INTJ. The ITJ are relatively strong but the N is low enough that I can go S when I need to.


Mr. Garden and Preserve and Green Egg recipe man: Your S is showing.  ;) :D :K)
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, May 6, 2012, 12:01am; Reply: 18
Paul,

Swamied Teacher (with many explorer qualities)
MBTI test ...ISFJ
Strongest scores....S with F and J very close

The definition of an ISFJ fits me pretty well and I noticed ISFJ fits Teacher.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, May 6, 2012, 10:10am; Reply: 19
remember the 80/20% rule ;)

ca. 80% of humans are SF or SJ people, only 20% even less I guess, are so called NT's and NF's...and both match best together coz of their resemblences and I saw also...we need eachother to get completed... NF's need T'sides and NT's need to develop their F-side.... :B ;D ;D
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, May 6, 2012, 11:47am; Reply: 20
Interesting topic, Paul.  I am a Hunter who is beginning to think I might be better typed as an Explorer.   I typed ENFP.  I don't remember what was strongest, since I did it some time ago.

NFP are all associated with Explorer.  Only the N is associated with Hunter.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, May 7, 2012, 7:18pm; Reply: 21
I justamente compared the MBTI versus enneagram and must say, sorry we are really all depending of our %-centages both lines E and I..so far no 5 is nothing then the introvert formula of no 1, only the context sometimes might be a bit different...or better said themata or preferences... but indeed all types show up very harsh similarities... and I don't know if that matters that much ??)....to grasp a sort of
resemblences... might even be swiftings between 1/9 and 1/2 are normal but described as a no-go.... :-/(think)(shrug)(huh) I'm no more thaaat convinced...sorry....(dizzy)(naughty)(evil)... ok ok..another system.... ;) ;D ;D

btw... "Don Richard Riso & Ross Hudsons" explanation of *the wisdom of the enneagram* is one of the very best and accurate describing  books I've ever seen...(clap)(ok)(smarty)
Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 2:05am; Reply: 22
Hey Briny...hey Serenity...hey Johnny!  :D

I guess I'll know more when my complete SWAMI test is done (maybe by the end of this week.....it's processing.....)
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 4:55am; Reply: 23
Hi Seraffa!  ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 8:26am; Reply: 24
Swamied nomad ( I have been all 3 genotypes  ::))
I am ENFP
however my E and I are almost the same -I might seem both INFP and ENFP- depending on my overall situation.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 11:56am; Reply: 25
;) ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)
Posted by: jing15, Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 2:50pm; Reply: 26
Just got my test result....apparently I am INFP...with 65% Introversion. I'm O+ explorer.
Posted by: Kumar, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 8:46am; Reply: 27
I have different ideas on the topic. Instead of trying to find correlations between the whole type (eg, "ISTP), it might be useful to find correlations with one of the dimensions. A teacher might be mostly a thinker. Explorer might be an intuitor. A hunter might be a sensor and so on.
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 1:45pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from 18545
This is interesting so I took the test.
istj with a strong in the t
i'm either a hunter or an explorer
That would fit Hunter but not Explorer


Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 1:46pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from cajun
Paul,

Swamied Teacher (with many explorer qualities)
MBTI test ...ISFJ
Strongest scores....S with F and J very close

The definition of an ISFJ fits me pretty well and I noticed ISFJ fits Teacher.
I would say that is a definite "hit", Cajun.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:27pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from san j


When we touched on this years ago, it didn't hold up.
And, of course: There are 6 genotypes; there are 16 MBTI types.

Also: Bear in mind that personality typing polls on this Forum have shown a heavy skew in favor of Introverts, which is the opposite of society at large.

I am not expecting all Explorers to be INFP's.  No one with any knowledge of MBTI would accuse me of being any kind of F.

The pupose of this is not to have a representative sample.  If the extroverts and only half of the introverts on the board fit my hypothesis then it might be reasonably possible to expect the majority of people off the board to fit the pattern.  Extoverts are a smaller sample that represent a larger segment of the population.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:30pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Amazone I.
remember the 80/20% rule ;)

ca. 80% of humans are SF or SJ people, only 20% even less I guess, are so called NT's and NF's...and both match best together coz of their resemblences and I saw also...we need eachother to get completed... NF's need T'sides and NT's need to develop their F-side.... :B ;D ;D
From what I remember S's outnumber N's and E' outnumber I's two to one.

Although there is almost no quantity of data to speak of I expect Hunters, Gatherers, and Teachers to be the globally dominant Genotypes.  Nomads, Explorers, and Warriors being decreasingly smaller global percentages.

My rather vague hypothesis is that people will test higher in a MB category that is in line with the prefered for their dominant Genotype.  This only means that extroverted Hunters will be weaker extroverts than extroverted Gatherers over a reasonably large sample.  For the effect to be ABO-non specific we would also need comparible data for Teachers being less extroverted than Warriors, Explorers less than Nomands, and so on.
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:34pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Nomad and INTJ. The ITJ are relatively strong but the N is low enough that I can go S when I need to.
If "relatively strong" is over 70% then my test completely fails to explain your data.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:38pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Johnny B.
If I remember correctly I'm INFJ.
Do you remember what your percentages are?

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:40pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from JillP
Well Paul, I am an A- Explorer....but I am an ESTJ...I has been YEARS ago when I took the test so I don't remember the scores  ??)

So not sure about your theory of genotype and MBTI...but then again us Explorers are different to start with  8)
Would you be interested in taking a test that would give you scores?

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:42pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Lin
Using Genotype book I was a teacher, but on swami I come out explorer depending on health issues I want to focus on. I am INFP.
My wife followed the same pattern.  Do you know your scores?

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:46pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from brinyskysail
I'm an INTJ.  The Introversion and iNtuition are strong.  I started doing personality tests in high school and have continued to do them every so often.  For me, Thinking used to be a very high score, but the older I get the closer and closer I keep scoring to Feeling rather than Thinking.  It's now practically borderline between the two.
That transition from thinking to feeling is the normal maturation of the tertiary function.

I would have to count your data as completely supportive of my contention.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:49pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Johnny B.
If I remember correctly I'm INFJ.
Do you know your scores?

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 2:57pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Patty H
Interesting topic, Paul.  I am a Hunter who is beginning to think I might be better typed as an Explorer.   I typed ENFP.  I don't remember what was strongest, since I did it some time ago.

NFP are all associated with Explorer.  Only the N is associated with Hunter.
Knowing the scores would make the difference - but as far as my test is concerned.  MBTI should never be the feather that breaks camel's back of Swami Genotype determination.

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 3:00pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Swamied nomad ( I have been all 3 genotypes  ::))
I am ENFP
however my E and I are almost the same -I might seem both INFP and ENFP- depending on my overall situation.
What are the percentages for N,F, and P?

Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 3:07pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Kumar
I have different ideas on the topic. Instead of trying to find correlations between the whole type (eg, "ISTP), it might be useful to find correlations with one of the dimensions. A teacher might be mostly a thinker. Explorer might be an intuitor. A hunter might be a sensor and so on.
That is exactly what I intend, Kumar.  By my theory Explorers will be generally either strong intuitors or weak sensors, strong introverts or weak extroverts, strong feelers or weak thinkers, strong perceptors or weak judgers.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 3:50pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from paul clucas
What are the percentages for N,F, and P?



E 51 %
N 70 %
F 65 %
P 55 %
Most of the time ;)
8)
Posted by: cajun, Friday, May 11, 2012, 2:58am; Reply: 42
Paul,
Regarding MBTI and swami genotyping...
My swami report..The Teacher inventory that describes the calculator points and strength testing...the second pass was all MBI scores to determine my genotype.
This was the second time I ran swami because I needed to change my legs from gynic to andric....
When I ran swami the very first time I was an explorer(38%) and the second pass was ethnicity/fingerprint ridges/wrist circumference and MBI "I and F"
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:22am; Reply: 43
Paul, not so bad ;) ;D....(clap)(ok)(smarty)

I think Peter used first the Keirsey's system- later WE made it with MBTI entr-autre ;) and then I involved for proofs the enneagram.... ;D ::) :X ;D ;D

viewed to Peters suggestions of explorers as being extraverts and the description of *thinking outside of the box* fits almost ENTP/J's and INTP/J's... but then we aren't only one form but BOTH.... remember all.... when scoring a suggestion we are also having a certain percentage of or introvert position of the same type or extraversion of the same type !!!!

I observed mostly O's can be found in ESFP/J's or ESTP/J's and sometimes ENFP/J's
a lot of A's can be confounded with ENTP/J's and ESTP/j's but why coz this might be the integrated ENTP with ESTP... and vice-versa the J'-forms :D....
you see all is possible.... ;D ;) :X ::) ;D ;D

I asked myselve if that might be possible while interpretating the enneagram- that infp/j's might be also explorers but on the desintegrative way??)...sorry this isn't an insult but only a question of my high-speed working brain ;)... but then I compared and thought might be coz in the enneagram we also do have wings... and those wings fit with infj's and isfj's... rememebring the sentence: all introverts do the opposite of their endings!!!

wow... that's da fact and now this explains lots of I's equal of the sj or nj -side might be seen as explorers coz of their overlapping position of their genes!!!

What shows this up infj's are the wing to INTP's...and isfj's are the wing to ENTP's !!!

my little 2 cents (goofy)(funny)(shrug)
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:28am; Reply: 44
and also perhaps does it all depend of the epigentical out/input of the moment and body-psyche-mental configuration as a response (stress-response??) )....


or does it mean we shall get all more balanced holistically??) ;)... so far I scored lately nearly 50:50% ENTP/INTP....and over the last years it was always introversion overlapping .... :o(shrug)(huh)(smarty).....

all about the system-builders..... ;) ;D(pick_nose)(grin)...and there are sooo many... :X

p.s.

as usual the beautiful question: who was first ...hen or egg??)....(clown)

pp.ss.

and please take care: don't get fixed upon.... ;) ;D ;D :K)
be sceptical but learn to listen........ :D

meep-meep....(evil)(sunny)
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:37am; Reply: 45
btw explanations about our types and patterns are beautifully shown in the wisdom of the  enneagram
of Don Richard Riso, he's much clearer and more honest then all other descriptions always only describing vaguement our behaviouristic sides and psychological percentages of the used letters :-/.....

better to get to know to the sources: what and how it makes us tick.... ;)(evil)(think)

no more selfbetray possible then....(ok)(dance)(shrug)(angel)
Posted by: jeanb, Saturday, May 12, 2012, 12:02pm; Reply: 46
Isa, 50/50 on testing indicates a perfect middle aged person!!!!
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 12, 2012, 12:12pm; Reply: 47
Jean... as I'm a late bloomer...is that ok for somebody at my age of 54 ??) ;) ;D....
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 9:09pm; Reply: 48



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Posted by: 18833 (Guest), Thursday, May 17, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 49
Teacher and INTJ
Posted by: 19000 (Guest), Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 8:40pm; Reply: 50
Warrior and INFJ here as it says under my name.  I know my mom to be an ESFJ Warrior, my brother an INFP Warrior and my husband an ENFJ Hunter.

Percentages on the tests can be deceiving because as we mature, we (ideally) develop our lesser "used" cognitive functions more. There are also other factors that affect this.  If you have studied the enneagram at all, I believe that if you are a core head type for instance, it is not so uncommon to mistype as a thinking type even if you are really a feeling type and so on.  And then there is just the simple fact that a lot of people don't know themselves well enough to answer accurately and that the questions on some of the tests are pretty flawed. Some people also take it wrong.  You have to think about how you usually react in a situation, not how you would react at that very moment.

A lot of INFJ's mistype as INTJ's for instance due to tertiary Ti (introverted thinking). Sometimes Fe becomes suppressed for various reasons (maybe due to stress). So it is very easy to mistype for various reasons.  

Also, at first glance, INFP and INFJ sound similar, but they actually see with very different functions.  INFJ is - dominant Ni (introverted intuition), Auxiliary Fe (extroverted feeling), Tertiary Ti (introverted thinking), inferior Se (extroverted sensing).

INFP is - dom Fi (introverted feeling), auxiliary Ne (extroverted intuition), tertiary Si (introverted sensing), inferior Te (extroverted thinking).

More on the cognitive functions here - http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 9:27pm; Reply: 51
I don't think that the infp/j's issue is that important.... but merely the confusions of 9 and 4 of the enneagram types ;)...as 1 and 3 might be

oops and the NT's are completely different then NF's especially the predictif infj from intj....btw both match together as sp-sj-style does ...
Posted by: 19000 (Guest), Thursday, May 31, 2012, 12:46pm; Reply: 52
Well it's not really an "issue," it's just apart of the theory and a common misconception. If you view the descriptions of the set of functions both an INFJ and INFP sees with for instance, you will see that they are very different.  I know this is true because I have an INFP brother so I can see how it is manifested. Ne pulls out, Ni draws in. My brother's "use" of Ne tends to overstimulate me.  My only hope to keep up is "using" Ni+Fe or even Ni+Fe+Se which can mimic Ne (just as Ti+Ne may be able to mimic Ni) but it's still just mimicry at the end of the day. And since Se is inferior for me, I personally have to be in the right mood for it though another INFJ may be different depending on enneagram but enneagram is a separate theory and so, this generally seems to be the case from what I've noted. Likewise, Fe (auxiliary for INFJ) and Fi (dominant for INFP) are also very different.

INFJs and INFJs at least share dominant Ni and inferior Se so in that they are similar but yes, they are still very different since one sees with Fe and the other Te.  Therefore, they might appear similar on the outside but inwardly they are much different.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 31, 2012, 1:34pm; Reply: 53
expressis verbis while observing that all I's do the opposite of their endings ;) ;D...

viewed in *gifts differing* from Isabel Briggs Myers.......ok ok I'll shut up here ;)  ;D ;D :X
Posted by: 19000 (Guest), Monday, June 4, 2012, 6:12pm; Reply: 54
Woops, correction - ENFJ hubby is actually a Gatherer which is actually more in line with the ENFJ personality type. Just thought I'd mention it because I didn't want to mess up the correlations being made here ;)
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