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Posted by: Whitey, Saturday, April 21, 2012, 11:25pm
I seem to have a SIBO [small intestine bacterial overgrowth]. I do OK on meats, fish, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, broccoli, onions, and fermented vegs, but any other veg (or especially fruit) and I get mucus in stools, the eczema on my scalp gets worse, and I get constipation.

I tried some roasted almonds, I thought they'd be OK, but they weren't. I think I had trouble because almonds are alkaline forming.

Do you think I could add small amounts of millet and/or quinoa right now or should I wait longer? I think I'd do OK with them but I don't want to slow down my healing.

W
Posted by: Mark, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 12:08am; Reply: 1
Couple of bottles of Gastro-D and Nystatin powder. After that, Polyflora and Live Cell.
Posted by: karen, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 1:42am; Reply: 2
Also, since you are an O non-secretor, you can have coconut oil which is anti-fungal.

Posted by: Whitey, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 12:10pm; Reply: 3
Hi,

I'm wanting to correct this with diet, garlic, cayenne, fermented vegetables, etc.

Nystatin is too extreme and unnecessary in most cases, in my opinion and can cause severe side effects.

I don't know if I'd trust Polyflora O. I've had trouble with a lot of things and I'm tired of wasting money on things I can't take.

I've used coconut oil for 10 or 12 years, a lot of it.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 1:34pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Whitey
Hi,

I'm wanting to correct this with diet, garlic, cayenne, fermented vegetables, etc.

Nystatin is too extreme and unnecessary in most cases, in my opinion and can cause severe side effects.

I don't know if I'd trust Polyflora O. I've had trouble with a lot of things and I'm tired of wasting money on things I can't take.

I've used coconut oil for 10 or 12 years, a lot of it.
The power of this approach is the specificity: you know what coconut oil does for you.  Dr D' Adamo knows what coconut oil does for non-secretors.

The question you should ask is "What does Nystatin do for O non-secretors?".  Ultimately "What does Nystatin do for me?" is what is at issue.  Knowing what it does for people of your type can help you shorten the learning process and evaluate risk and reward.
Posted by: Whitey, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 2:44pm; Reply: 5
I think many here will attest to the fact that it takes time to correct GI dysbiosis.

I'm surprised Nystatin was even mentioned at this forum.
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 3:34pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Whitey

I'm surprised Nystatin was even mentioned at this forum.


Did wonders for a case of thrush I was dealing with.

This is a self-help forum. What is right for you may not be right for someone else, and vice versa.
Posted by: Whitey, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 4:41pm; Reply: 7
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Did wonders for a case of thrush I was dealing with.


Maybe so but I tend to think raw garlic, GSE, Cayenne, Oregano Oil, all could have done the same thing and without a prescription.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 8
Whitey,
how long have you been following your guidelines?

how compliant are you?

Rome wasn t built all that fast.....have faith and make the right choices when it comes to nurturing your cells
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 5:01pm; Reply: 9
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"The majority of chronic disease is primarily a food borne illness. We ate ourselves into this problem and we have to eat ourselves out of it." ~ Mark Hyman, MD
Posted by: Mark, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 5:10pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Whitey


Maybe so but I tend to think raw garlic, GSE, Cayenne, Oregano Oil, all could have done the same thing and without a prescription.


Nystatin is naturally created my bacteria. Do whatever you believe is best. I'm just trying to help.
Posted by: Mark, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 5:13pm; Reply: 11
Am I the only O non-secretor who thinks coconut oil tastes disgusting?

I tried dipping my steamed broccoli in coconut oil. Yuck! I prefer butter. ;D ;D

Does anyone have any recipes to make it taste better? I'd like to incorporate it into my diet so I can keep the yeasts under control.

Thank you!
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 6:43pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Mark
Does anyone have any recipes to make it taste better? I'd like to incorporate it into my diet so I can keep the yeasts under control.

Not an O, but I don't care for the flavor when cooked with other foods I've tried it with...  

I tend to take CO by spoon before a meal...  
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:58pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Mark
Am I the only O non-secretor who thinks coconut oil tastes disgusting?

I tried dipping my steamed broccoli in coconut oil. Yuck! I prefer butter. ;D ;D

Does anyone have any recipes to make it taste better? I'd like to incorporate it into my diet so I can keep the yeasts under control.

Thank you!


No you are not the only one who does not like the oil, My daughter (6) hates it with a vengeance, she used to love it, six months ago. I give her a choice of hemp or coconut oil and she takes hemp every time. lol.

sibo will take as long as you let it to heal. the harder you are on yourself the quicker it goes. but you have to continually fight it. if fighting with food only. easier with intrinsa, polyflora, live sell. but will still take a while.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:59pm; Reply: 14
also have a teaspoon of ghee every morning, cook your egg in it. all helps

oh and soak anything with starch in it.
Posted by: Whitey, Monday, April 23, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Lola
Whitey,
how long have you been following your guidelines?

how compliant are you?

Rome wasn t built all that fast.....have faith and make the right choices when it comes to nurturing your cells


Hi,

I've only been on BTD for a week now, and I've been fully compliant, no avoids for a week.

I get the feeling there's something out there that will improve my SIBO fast, or, at least, fastER. Diet helps because I eat hardly any carbs at all but onion and broccoli, so, I'm making some ground on that.

I did some web surfing and they say SIBO can be caused  when people my age are deficient in HCl, which I've been deficient in for 20-30 years or more. Couple that with the raw honey I was taking last year 2-3x a day for weeks on end, and you get SIBO. They say it can be greatly improved by taking a ECPO [enteric coated peppermint oil] capsule 1/2 to 1 hour before each meal, according to a Hydrogen Breath Test. The enteric coating allows the peppermint oil to bypass the stomach and get to where it's needed - in the small intestine, where it's effective against many pathogens and will purify the SI after a while..

I like coconut oil and any coconut product, the oil is a neutral for me all else is avoid. If you don't like one type, try another. Spectrum coconut oil tastes terrible, always did. Nutiva tastes like fresh coconut. Tropical Traditions expeller pressed or their EV organic are both real good. Expeller has a bland taste, EV Organic tastes like coconuts. Each brand of CNOil has it's own unique taste. I haven't had many I didn't like the taste of.

Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 11:28pm; Reply: 16
I fry or scramble eggs in it....throw in some curry spices if you like.
Posted by: 20699 (Guest), Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 6:00pm; Reply: 17
Hi - I just had a hydrogen breath test that came back positive and I supposedly have SIBO or small intestine bacteria overgrowth. I am a AB Secretor. Is there any Blood type products I can use to help heal this condition? I think my Naturopathic Doctor will prescribe a course of antibiotics. I understand AB blood types are conducive to this condition due to low stomach acids. Just want to know what I can do, other than taking AB supplements and adhering to AB diet. Thanks for any input. KV
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 7:46pm; Reply: 18
Staying compliant will help. Also try Parmesan cheese 2-3x during a week. No more than 3oz at a time. It helps starve bacteria.

If you didn't have SIBO then I wouldn't recommend it. If SIBO balances out you would probably best stop consuming Parmesan.

There is a fair chance you are the GTD type Hunter. The issue is common among them, and very small amount of occasional cheese as Parmesan is recommended.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 10:19am; Reply: 19
Katherine, chewing your food well is often overlooked advice. The more surface area you have the easier it is for the stomach acid and enzymes to really break it down. To be really effective, food should be paste like or smoothie like when it leaves your mouth. It sounds like you have a doctor that is clued up. These may be good questions for him or her.

Andrea has a standard protocol that she shares for SIBO. She may post it here.
Posted by: 20699 (Guest), Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:28pm; Reply: 20
Thanks so much for the reminder to chew. I also will look into the parmesan cheese. I took the GTD test once and had a hard time figuring out what I was, my recollection is that I was an explorer but maybe a teacher. Any further supplements are welcome, am currently on enzyme, AB probiotic, vitamin, hepatiguard, AB deflect, krill oil, Live Cell AB and more. Thank you!  
Posted by: 20699 (Guest), Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:50pm; Reply: 21
Andrea - how do I find your standard protocol for SIBO? KV
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 12:56pm; Reply: 22
Hi KV,

Why not visit the Member Center http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-memberpanel/ and grab an AB avatar? You might also choose to input other optional personal information there.
Posted by: 20699 (Guest), Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 2:09pm; Reply: 23
I am new to this - just chose to input other optional information, but have no idea how to grab an AB avatar. Thanks for your help - just spent 45 minutes trying to figure this out. KV
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 2:23pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from 20699
- just spent 45 minutes trying to figure this out. KV


Sorry.

There is some information worth reading on this board: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/

And this thread covers that and a few other things: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

We are working on making the site more user-friendly for newcomers. If you have any thoughts please PM me.
Posted by: 22033 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2013, 6:36pm; Reply: 25
I also have SIBO. Do I just follow the blood type O diet (that is my blood type) to heal my intestines and get rid of the bacteria? Also, what cause the overgrowth? Thanks for any helpyou may have. I'm miserable with loose bowels, bloating, and generally feeling unwell.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 7:29pm; Reply: 26
If you have serious overgrowth you may have to do a bit extra.

By perhaps going easy on any sugars. but you would certainly need to do the Yeast protocol. but perhaps others too. for example if you have intestinal candida i think the protocols recommended are yeast, immune, stomach and or intestinal and or allergy protocols.

If I were you and you were near one of the practitioner I would consult with one if you have sibo. it can stick around for years and years and generally mess with everything.

I still have it - but am going hard at removing it now. I still get cravings though which put me back weeks. it is a hard one to beat.

the diet alone will help a lot but personally I think you need to take herbs etc too.
Posted by: Lin, Saturday, January 12, 2013, 11:16pm; Reply: 27
Is SIBO the same thing as Candida or Intestinal Yeast?

Lin
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 12:20am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Lin
Is SIBO the same thing as Candida or Intestinal Yeast?

SIBO is a bacterial overgrowth.  There is a bacterial candida, which is necessary, but it can be out of balance - so it could be this.  There are multitudes of bacteria that it could be and there are different locations in the small intestine that the overgrowth can occur - which may affect what bacteria is overgrown...

Yeast is a fungus, so SIBO wouldn't be that...
Posted by: Lin, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 12:46am; Reply: 29
ABJoe,
So to clarify, I could have candida bacteria out of control that is healed, but get bouts of yeast or damp as the Chinese call it?
Lin
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 12:56am; Reply: 30
Quoted from Lin
So to clarify, I could have candida bacteria out of control that is healed, but get bouts of yeast or damp as the Chinese call it?

I guess you have confused me.  I thought by your question that you have SIBO.  
If so, whatever bacteria is out of control has not healed!

If you HAD SIBO, but no longer do, then the bacterial overgrowth has healed.

It is possible that yeast infection can come and go, but SIBO (by definition) will never be fungal!
Posted by: Lin, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:07am; Reply: 31
AB Joe,
I was confused on this.  I did have a test that showed candida some years ago.  So that is SIBO.
Since then tests did not show any.
The acupuncturist tells me I have 'damp' issues, which I took to mean yeast.
thanks for clarifying.

Lin
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 2:44am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Lin
I did have a test that showed candida some years ago.  So that is SIBO.

Not necessarily...  Candida can be bacterial or fungal...  It is bacterial normally, but from what I've read it can go fungal in certain circumstances.  You need to be sure what form the candida is to be able to treat it properly.  It sounds like you have it under control, so it's good.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 1:32pm; Reply: 33
I don't know for sure what I have, so I suppose I better treat for having both lol
Posted by: Lin, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 3:01pm; Reply: 34
Thanks for clarifying.  
Posted by: 22033 (Guest), Sunday, January 13, 2013, 5:58pm; Reply: 35
Policychecker, Thanks for your comments. Can you share what you are doing to help combat SIBO? I understand you're following the O+ diet as I 'm starting to do, but you suggested I might need additional help such as herbs, etc. What type of herbs?

Any help you can give me that has helped you would be great. I'm back on the 0+ diet for just a few days and am already feeling less gassy and bloated. Which is a great help. Also, I read that drinking a glass of water with a lemon squeezed into it before each meal will help increase HCL acid production (which can be low in those of us with SIBO)  and also help compact the bacteria.

Look forward to you reply.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, January 13, 2013, 11:14pm; Reply: 36
Take three bottles of gastro d with intrinsia and deflect.
I would stop all my other supplements.


How high was the hydrogen?
Then have it rechecked and let me know if it helped.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:35am; Reply: 37
I think Andreas advice might be the best bet I am dealing with many issues and don't want to confuse you.

I would however recommend you get a secretor test as a priority.



By herbs I mean supplements i use many but Genoma eq I use a lot. i have used gastro and intrinsa a lot in the past too they are both very good.

I also use deflect a lot and love it but have run out.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:50am; Reply: 38
Once you are done with the protocol then you might like to take some polyflora and some ara6.

But I would wait till I was done with the gastro d etc...


I did not have success with the gastro d and needed something stronger in the end. For  most people the protocol works quite well-- I own  my own Breath Hydrogen monitor so it is easy for me to check it myself

But most supplements are short term so try to look at them as treatment.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:18pm; Reply: 39
Organisms like Candida Albicans need organic, carbon-based compounds to provide them with energy. In practice this means sugars like glucose, fructose and sucrose. They use this energy to grow and to build their cell walls, which are comprised 80% of carbohydrates.

However, Candida is a particularly versatile pathogen, and those sugars serve one extra purpose. They enable the Candida yeast cells to switch to their more virulent, fungal form. This form of Candida grows long branches that can cause Leaky Gut Syndrome. It is also faster-growing and much more likely to cause Candida symptoms.
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