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Posted by: Whitey, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 7:43pm
Do many of you eat sardines in cans that contain BPA? I can buy Beech Cliff Sardines for $1.08 per can. I think the insides of the cans are coated with a lacquer and the fish are cooked inside the can.

Non BPA sardines are now on sale for $2 each and about $2.50 each if not on sale.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 8:06pm; Reply: 1
I will keep eating my sardines irregardless.  
Posted by: Whitey, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 8:44pm; Reply: 2
The benefits might outweigh the BPA or lacquer or whatever. I ate Beech Cliff sardines for years without even realizing they may have BPA. They tasted good to me.
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 10:50pm; Reply: 3
I don't know if the sardines I get are in a BPA-free can, but I'm going to continue to eat them, as well...  
I'm sure it will make some miniscule difference, but I've got so much going on that this tiny bit isn't going to shake the world too much.  

I'm just so over worrying about little things that I can do very little about.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 11:12pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from ABJoe


I'm just so over worrying about little things that I can do very little about.


I hear ya and second that! :)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 11:22pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Whitey
Do many of you eat sardines in cans that contain BPA? I can buy Beech Cliff Sardines for $1.08 per can. I think the insides of the cans are coated with a lacquer and the fish are cooked inside the can.


I have never heard of this before. What are the cans made of? I get Brunswick brand in Aluminum cans and am pretty sure there is no lacquer on them.

If it really bothers you you could try contacting the manufacturer and see what they say. The cost difference does add up after awhile

Posted by: 18545 (Guest), Thursday, April 19, 2012, 1:36am; Reply: 6
I figured the sardines I eat are not BPA free since they don't say that on the can.  I'd like to eat and live BPA free but as my son likes to remind me, "something's gotta kill ya."  So I eat chickens that have been fed arsenic and mistreated, beef that have injected hormones and have lived a miserable life, greens that regular or organic may have ecoli or salmonella, rice products, grape and apple juice that wooops! have high levels of arsenic, and I drink water that they don't even test for all the pharmaceuticals people flush down the toilet, and I walk and run outside where radioactive clouds from Japan cause the government to throw out the milk from the cows in the fields nearby, and cars spew their toxic cocktail in my face and try to run me down in the crosswalk.  Sometimes I'm amazed I feel as good as I do!  ;D
Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 2:13am; Reply: 7
On the old ER4YT forum, we used to like to talk about these kinds of things but some of you sound kind of set in your ways. I'm not sure if I feel right about going on with this subject any further.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 2:25am; Reply: 8
I'm all for going BPA free whenever I can.  I didn't think about this lately, so I've been forgetting to check the few canned goods that I use.  Thanks for the reminder, Whitey.  :)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 2:34am; Reply: 9
Quoted from 18545
I figured the sardines I eat are not BPA free since they don't say that on the can.  I'd like to eat and live BPA free but as my son likes to remind me, "something's gotta kill ya."  So I eat chickens that have been fed arsenic and mistreated, beef that have injected hormones and have lived a miserable life, greens that regular or organic may have ecoli or salmonella, rice products, grape and apple juice that wooops! have high levels of arsenic, and I drink water that they don't even test for all the pharmaceuticals people flush down the toilet, and I walk and run outside where radioactive clouds from Japan cause the government to throw out the milk from the cows in the fields nearby, and cars spew their toxic cocktail in my face and try to run me down in the crosswalk.  Sometimes I'm amazed I feel as good as I do!  ;D
Amazing indeed  :D

Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:24pm; Reply: 10
I've been chelating Mercury using ALA alpha lipoic acid for over 1.5 years and I eat low mercury foods. Sardines might be a great way for me to improve my Omega 3 balance because I do not tolerate fish or flax oil well at all.

Personally, I don't think I'd want to eat BPA canned sardines very often. Someday they might come out with BPA free cans.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:41pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ABJoe
I'm just so over worrying about little things that I can do very little about.


Good for you! I just wish I liked sardines the way you folks do. I have to really get focused on their benefits to face eating them!
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:44pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from 18545
Sometimes I'm amazed I feel as good as I do!  ;D


Ain't it the truth!! (hugegrin)
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:46pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Whitey
. Someday they might come out with BPA free cans.


They already have, but the companies are not willing to spend a few cents to do what is right.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 3:14pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Spring
I just wish I liked sardines the way you folks do. I have to really get focused on their benefits to face eating them!

This may be a sign that you don't "need" them very much.  There are times when the thought of them turns my stomach, then there are times when I eat two cans in one day because I want them.  I have a hard time planning a menu because I don't know what I'm going to want to eat until that mealtime is close.  I have to keep a pretty good stock of foods at hand so I can put together what I need at that time...
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 3:23pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Whitey
On the old ER4YT forum, we used to like to talk about these kinds of things but some of you sound kind of set in your ways. I'm not sure if I feel right about going on with this subject any further.

I don't think it is anything against you, Whitey...   I definitely don't want you to feel you can't talk about health related topics that are important to you.  Some people are more sensitive to the many different "toxins" present in the environment.  I was once far more reactive to many substances than I currently am.
BPA may be a life or death situation for some.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 4:39pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Whitey
On the old ER4YT forum, we used to like to talk about these kinds of things but some of you sound kind of set in your ways. I'm not sure if I feel right about going on with this subject any further.


Talk about anything you want, Whitey!! It isn't that people are set in their ways at all - it is just a matter of trying to balance things out so life can be tolerable at the least. When I think about what some of these people have been through to get where they are today, it amazes me how they have managed to work things out so they can heal by degrees and not go completely crazy trying to do it! Especially when we think of the cloud of toxins we are exposed to day in and day out. :o
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 4:46pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ABJoe

This may be a sign that you don't "need" them very much.  There are times when the thought of them turns my stomach, then there are times when I eat two cans in one day because I want them.  I have a hard time planning a menu because I don't know what I'm going to want to eat until that mealtime is close.  I have to keep a pretty good stock of foods at hand so I can put together what I need at that time...


Well, that is certainly something to think about, Joe. I haven't gotten around to making a cracker that I like so that may have something to do with it. I did buy some Newman pretzels recently that are compliant - maybe they would work for a crunchy to eat with them.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 5:29pm; Reply: 18
Spring, if you ever want to try sardines again, try different brands.  And watch out for what else is in them.  For example, a lot of them are packed in soybean or other cheap oils.  Some are packed in water.  Some taste a lot more fishy than others.  Some are smoked and some are not.

Generally my favorites are the unsmoked that are packed in olive oil.  I found one brand that uses extra virgin olive oil, but they are smoked.
Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 6:11pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Spring


They already have, but the companies are not willing to spend a few cents to do what is right.


Yeah, that's what I heard too. I usually buy Wild Planet sardines - BPA free.
Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 6:15pm; Reply: 20
Thanks.

Sardines are very high in purine, and some metabolic types require high purine foods often, like me for instance, but I'm not into MT much, I think I prefer BTD.

Quoted Text

BPA may be a life or death situation for some.


I believe it. If people get sick and need to turn their health around, they are advised to avoid toxins of all kinds, and if they do, they usually succeed.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 9:03pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Whitey
I believe it. If people get sick and need to turn their health around, they are advised to avoid toxins of all kinds, and if they do, they usually succeed.

I don't think there is any way we can avoid all toxins as long as we are on this earth. So we have to address the things that bother us the most, eat what will actually nourish our bodies and leave off the things that don't. Beef is toxic to me in any form. For someone else, it is like manna from heaven. I would die from ingesting more than just a little iodine. (Through the skin is a different story.) So things that bother one person are harmless to another. Some people pass out from getting even the faintest whiff of gasoline at a gas pump. I get horribly depressed immediately from being in a home that uses natural gas for heating/cooking. But I don't intend to drive myself into nightmares about the toxins around us. I don't touch beef with a ten foot pole, I filter my water, I don't take any sort of drugs except a very small amount of BP medication occasionally. Not even aspirin or Tylenol.......And SWAMI is the best diet I have ever used in my life.

Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 9:12pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Victoria
Spring, if you ever want to try sardines again, try different brands.  And watch out for what else is in them.  For example, a lot of them are packed in soybean or other cheap oils.  Some are packed in water.  Some taste a lot more fishy than others.  Some are smoked and some are not.

Generally my favorites are the unsmoked that are packed in olive oil.  I found one brand that uses extra virgin olive oil, but they are smoked.


I seem to do the best with the skinless/boneless type even though I know I am losing a lot of minerals. And I like olive oil better than water. The only other ingredient is salt. And they are wild caught. The ones I bought with skin on them were awful! (Shudder!) If I could pile some mild, sinful dressing on them and have a lot of sinful crackers to go along, I would have no problem!!  :D Until later, of course!
Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 9:18pm; Reply: 23
Hi Spring,

Glad to hear that about Swami. I may go that route one of these days but one of you suggested I stay on the BTD for at least a month. The GTD book will be here one of these days and I'll be reading about that with enthusiasm. I'm curious to see what other foods might also be Diamond or whatever for me.

It's amazing with beef in that it clogs up some people big time but seems to unclog a type O+ nonnie like me.

I'm doing my time with broccoli and onions and Bene proteins and in another week or two I'm going to expand and cross my fingers with some bene organic Rainbow Chard. If that goes OK I'll try organic bene kale and spinach and later cooked carrot. Later I may add some neutral vegs like green bean, celery, tomato, and eventually some neutral millet and quinoa.

I guess my Ezekiel bread days are over, they say it has added gluten. I guess I'll know more of what I need when I get into GTD and Swami.

Whitey
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 9:55pm; Reply: 24
How have you been feeling lately, Whitey?  You've made a few changes in your diet, I imagine?

I also prefer sardines that have the skin and bones removed.  I love the Wild Planet company.  Just wish their wild skinless/boneless/extra virgin olive oil packed sardines were not smoked.   :-/
Posted by: Whitey, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 10:43pm; Reply: 25
I feel really tired a lot lately. I'm not sure what's up with that. I'm hoping it's die off due to the lower carb way of eating. I often just feel like staying home and watching TV and sitting back on my sofa. I go to a gym 3x a week and after I get home and eat breakfast, I just don't feel like doing much, so I don't.

Do you eat BPA sardines instead of Wild Planet because you prefer non smoked?

I've got to look up what other fish are bene and then look at my low mercury fish list and decide what type of fish I can eat instead of sardines [to avoid BPA and smoked] but I would also miss out on the Omega 3. I could eat salmon, a neutral for Omega 3. I think perch is bene for me but it might also have more mercury than I'd want to eat in fish.

Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 11:29pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Whitey
I feel really tired a lot lately. I'm not sure what's up with that. I'm hoping it's die off due to the lower carb way of eating. I often just feel like staying home and watching TV and sitting back on my sofa. I go to a gym 3x a week and after I get home and eat breakfast, I just don't feel like doing much, so I don't.

Do you eat BPA sardines instead of Wild Planet because you prefer non smoked?

I've got to look up what other fish are bene and then look at my low mercury fish list and decide what type of fish I can eat instead of sardines [to avoid BPA and smoked] but I would also miss out on the Omega 3. I could eat salmon, a neutral for Omega 3. I think perch is bene for me but it might also have more mercury than I'd want to eat in fish.


I'm currently eating Crown Prince boneless/skinless sardines packed in olive oil.  The company is transitioning to BPA-free canning materials, currently 9 of their products are packed in BPA-free cans, but not the one I like.  I really don't like smoked foods.

I'm sorry you're fatigued.  I sure know what that feels like.  Getting in enough carbs really helps my energy level.  I eat very little grain (a couple of toasted rice cakes), so have to get my carbs mostly from vegetable sources.
Posted by: purlgirl, Friday, April 20, 2012, 1:22am; Reply: 27
I appreciate this discussion.  

My SWAMI gives me Sardines as Diamond and Geno-Harmonic food. I havn't really given them much of a chance yet.  

I have 2 cans - 1   Trader Joe's 'Lightly Smoked Sardines in olive oil'.  
                1   King Oscar 'Extra Small Sardines in fish oil'.

How do I know if there is anything bad in them?



Posted by: Spring, Friday, April 20, 2012, 3:47am; Reply: 28
Whitey, someone told me lately that they have seen Ezekiel bread with no gluten. I intend to see if I can find some. I don't eat a whole lot of it because what I cook is so much better, but it is handy to have around.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, April 20, 2012, 3:56am; Reply: 29
Quoted from purlgirl
I appreciate this discussion.  

My SWAMI gives me Sardines as Diamond and Geno-Harmonic food. I havn't really given them much of a chance yet.  

I have 2 cans - 1   Trader Joe's 'Lightly Smoked Sardines in olive oil'.  
                1   King Oscar 'Extra Small Sardines in fish oil'.

How do I know if there is anything bad in them?


First, read labels carefully.  This will tell you what is packed inside and whether the fish is smoked or not;  what kind of oil is used, or water-if it is spring water or just 'water' (probably city water). Also what kind of seasonings or flavorings might be added.

Usually if the can is free from BPA, it will be stated on the label.  Not always though.  You can usually do further search by going to the company's website and if BPA avoidance is important to them, they will generally mention it.
Posted by: Possum, Friday, April 20, 2012, 10:42am; Reply: 30
I just read that even cans that state BPA free can still have other chemicals in the lining of the cans?! ??) :-/ Article is 3rd on the right, under the main pic at the top of the page... ;)
10 Food Label Lies http://www.rodale.com
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Saturday, April 21, 2012, 3:46am; Reply: 31
I love all sardines equally.
Posted by: Whitey, Saturday, April 21, 2012, 11:51pm; Reply: 32


Got some of these today for 88 cents per can. I guess the nutritional punch is more than any danger of BPA.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 1:26am; Reply: 33
Depending also on the level of sodium & use of regular tale salt ??) :-/
Posted by: shoulderblade, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:16am; Reply: 34
Quoted from Possum
Article is 3rd on the right, under the main pic at the top of the page... ;)
10 Food Label Lies http://www.rodale.com


??) I can't find this.
Quoted from Whitey

Got some of these today for 88 cents per can. I guess the nutritional punch is more than any danger of BPA.

The Olive oil part looks good, I have never seen that before. As per why these cans are lined - are they made of steel?

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:44am; Reply: 35
Quoted from shoulderblade
??) I can't find this.
Looks like the page changes... It is still under that first pic - You just have to click along the picture arrow underneath ;)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:54am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Possum
Looks like the page changes... It is still under that first pic - You just have to click along the picture arrow underneath ;)

;D Good, I got it. Just love dirt stories on food labels.  8)

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:55am; Reply: 37
;)
Posted by: Whitey, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 12:16pm; Reply: 38
I don't know what the can is made out of. I need to contact a few companies and see what I can find out about the insides of the cans they use.

I like these sardines, they're salted but not smoked. I drain the oil from them and throw that away. It seems like a way to get rid of some of the contaminants by not consuming the oil.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, April 22, 2012, 6:25pm; Reply: 39
This company looks promising.
No BPA in cans
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Sea Salt

They offer 10% off first order, so I'm going to wait until they get boneless, skinless back in stock and order a large amount.

http://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/viewCategories.asp?pageStyle=h&idCategory=223
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, April 22, 2012, 8:43pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Whitey


Yeah, that's what I heard too. I usually buy Wild Planet sardines - BPA free.


I've used a lot of those too but the cheap Wal Mart sardines taste better imo.  Hmm wonder if it's the BPA?   ??)

Posted by: shoulderblade, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 5:06pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from Whitey
I don't know what the can is made out of. I need to contact a few companies and see what I can find out about the insides of the cans they use.
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I am pretty sure they are steel cans. I have never seen Aluminum cans with a liner and just noticed that Tuna I use has a liner over steel.

You could tell by the weight of the can. Steel is a lot heavier and will feel heavy in proportion to another steel can. Aluminum is notably lighter.

Or if really serious try a magnet on it.
Posted by: Mark, Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 3:53am; Reply: 42
BPA affects heart cells at part per trillion. Avoid.
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 5:42am; Reply: 43
Quoted from Victoria
This company looks promising.
No BPA in cans
Extra Virgin Olive Oil
Sea Salt

They offer 10% off first order, so I'm going to wait until they get boneless, skinless back in stock and order a large amount.

http://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/viewCategories.asp?pageStyle=h&idCategory=223


Thank you for posting this amazing find Victoria, I am thrilled they actually have a supplier here in Australia too...yummm love sardines and salmon & without BPA yay!!  :K)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 4:43pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Serenity


Thank you for posting this amazing find Victoria, I am thrilled they actually have a supplier here in Australia too...yummm love sardines and salmon & without BPA yay!!  :K)


Yay, is right!  This is the first BPA-free canned sardine that I have found that doesn't force you to buy smoked fish.
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