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Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:04pm
Hi, how do I know if I'm a taster or a super-taster? I think I'm probably a super-taster, and so Swami types me as an Explorer. But I found that if I put 'taster' in my Swami, I come out as a Gatherer.

The PROP test is very bitter and unpleasant, but it doesn't make me want to gag. It goes away pretty quick and I don't feel the need to wash my mouth or anything to get rid of the taste.

Does anyone have any clues as to which way I should go? I sort of feel in between taster and super-taster, if you see what I mean.

Thanks!  :)
Posted by: Damon, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:07pm; Reply: 1
From what I have been reading you would be a 'regular' taster. Apparently there are people out here who really do gag when tasting it, and still do hours after..
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:29pm; Reply: 2
I would go with  supertaster-- ;) do you have weight to lose?

You can do either or and switch if it is not working.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:39pm; Reply: 3
You can also run both and compare the results to see what changes there are.  It may be that very few foods change rating dramatically, or that there are portion size / frequency differences that make the most difference...  Knowing the differences may provide more insight about which way your body favors.
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:56pm; Reply: 4
In my practice, I watch closely when I do the taster test and I do have people who make a major grimace, gag a bit, ask for water, and at the extreme, jump up and run to get water!  These are supertasters.  

Those who remark that it tastes bitter and unpleasant are tasters.  If I'm not sure, I ask how bitter and if I get an very emphatic response, I also think supertaster.

In you case, I would also look at what your health issues are and which genotype best addresses them.  Explorer has a focus on liver health, chemical sensitivities, caffeine sensitivity, detox.  Gatherer has a focus on blood sugar regulation, thyroid health, insulin resistance.  
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 4:07pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from 14940
Hi, how do I know if I'm a taster or a super-taster? I think I'm probably a super-taster, and so Swami types me as an Explorer. But I found that if I put 'taster' in my Swami, I come out as a Gatherer.

The PROP test is very bitter and unpleasant, but it doesn't make me want to gag. It goes away pretty quick and I don't feel the need to wash my mouth or anything to get rid of the taste.

Does anyone have any clues as to which way I should go? I sort of feel in between taster and super-taster, if you see what I mean.

Thanks!  :)


No matter which one I put in, (I am a super taster but don't mind strong flavours, I don't react dramatically even though the flavour lasts a long time in my mouth), I come out as Explorer.
I've even tried fooling around with checking/unchecking boxes, and SWAMI is adamant that I am an Explorer!!!!!!! Gee, all I want is the Gatherer cottage cheese (hee, hee, hee). ;D I'm going to try the cottage cheese that I use to eat, it has absolutely no fillers, no gums, is organic and is pressed tightly to resemble a pound of butter. I keep feeling that this would be fine for me; does anyone know if this type of pressed cottage cheese would no low or not have whey in it?  :)

Posted by: O in Virginia, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 6
Sounds like you are a taster/supertaster, RubyRuby.  It's hard to be precise, isn't it?  I suppose like everything else there is a tasting spectrum.  If you dislike the taste (histrionics aside) I would say supertaster.  If you can taste the strip but it is not unpleasant to you, then I would tick "taster".  It's funny that the difference between taster and supertaster alone determine explorer vs. gatherer on your swami.  In my case I'm explorer either way, but I think that is because I have rh negative blood and non-secretor.  I have a lot of gatherer traits (I would dearly love some paneer and mozarella!) but certain things tip me over into explorer, even though it is only 38%.  You may have to try both versions of swami for a time and see which one feels better(?).  :-/
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:23pm; Reply: 7
Thank you everyone for your input  :)

I've just compared both swami outcomes. I type 43% explorer if I tick super-taster and 43% gatherer if I tick taster. The emphasised and de-emphasised nutrients come out the same in both. In the gatherer one there is slightly more protein (one extra portion of red meat, one extra of fish and 2 extra eggs), slightly less dairy (one portion less a week), and slightly less fruit and veg. A very few things change from avoid to superfoods, like rice milk and lentils. So, all in all, not much change.

Andrea, I *do* have weight to lose - I am 152 lbs at 5ft 3in tall, so I'd like to lose about 25-30 lbs (I can't believe I've got so much to lose!).

Whimsical, I grimace a bit and think it tastes pretty vile, which sounds closer to super-taster, do you think? Health issues - mainly weight, tiredness and bad headaches, which as I understand, could be liver/toxicity related or blood sugar/insulin related ... Still puzzled!  ??) Caffeine withdrawal means excruciatingly bad headaches, which is why I'm still drinking coffee ...  :B

Probably going to have to try both to see which works best, though given that the differences are so minor, I might be making a mountain out of a molehill by worrying which one ...  :)
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:25pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from O in Virginia
If you dislike the taste (histrionics aside) I would say supertaster.  If you can taste the strip but it is not unpleasant to you, then I would tick "taster".


Ahh! Yes, definitely dislike it! Ok ... super taster is winning here  ;)

Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:32pm; Reply: 9
what about your measurements, are your index fingers on both hands longer then you ring finger?  Is your lower leg longer then your upper leg?  Is your torso longer then you legs.  This equals a GATHERER Or else I have been eating wrong all this time. I also tasted strongly, but did not gag and did not have to drink something afterwards it went away
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from 14940
Thank you everyone for your input  :)

I've just compared both swami outcomes. I type 43% explorer if I tick super-taster and 43% gatherer if I tick taster. The emphasised and de-emphasised nutrients come out the same in both. In the gatherer one there is slightly more protein (one extra portion of red meat, one extra of fish and 2 extra eggs), slightly less dairy (one portion less a week), and slightly less fruit and veg. A very few things change from avoid to superfoods, like rice milk and lentils.


This is what happened with me. Since I'm looking to loose weight I used taster and kept it at gatherer. Once I loose the weight I'll make all the changes. (weight, hip and waist) see what happens and might redo the taster then as well.  

Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 11
I can't remember my finger measurements, GeminiSue - but it seems that you can have typical Gatherer measurements and still be typed by Swami as an Explorer, as I was, based on other criteria. The only check box I changed was the PROP test one, and got different results depending on whether I ticked taster or super-taster - I left all the others alone  :)
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 5:55pm; Reply: 12
That's an interesting approach Deblynn3 ... I hadn't thought of trying that. Are you losing weight, eating the Gatherer diet?
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 6:00pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from geminisue
what about your measurements,


She has entered these into SWAMI which is far more detailed than the book tables...
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 6:02pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from deblynn3
Since I'm looking to loose weight I used taster and kept it at gatherer. Once I loose the weight I'll make all the changes. (weight, hip and waist) see what happens and might redo the taster then as well.  

You can lose weight on the Explorer diet as well...  It all happens based on the body's priority schedule...
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 6:15pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from 14940
That's an interesting approach Deblynn3 ... I hadn't thought of trying that. Are you losing weight, eating the Gatherer diet?


I'd gain some from the book gatherer, but with swami gatherer I'm back to loosing. There was very little difference in the foods, between my swami gatherer and explorer.
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 6:20pm; Reply: 16
Yes, ABJoe, thank you for the reminder that Swami does all the necessary work  :)

If I put a lighter weight into Swami, it still comes out as the same genotype but the portion sizes are bigger - for example, 4-6oz meat instead of 3-5oz.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 6:46pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from 14940
Yes, ABJoe, thank you for the reminder that Swami does all the necessary work  :)


It at least points you in the right direction to focus your efforts...  You still need to do the work! ;)   ;D   :K)
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2012, 10:07pm; Reply: 18
Haha, very good!  ;D  8)  ;)  :P
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, March 31, 2012, 10:40pm; Reply: 19
I have seen Dr. D use the Gather diet for an O to lose weight-- I say try it and see how it goes.
Posted by: 14940 (Guest), Monday, April 2, 2012, 12:57pm; Reply: 20
Actually, Andrea, I've decided I am probably quite clearly an Explorer. I went through the whole questionnaire again and saw that I had ticked the box that said that tendons were not visible in my wrist, but looking again, I realise they are. Not very visible, mind you (which is why I originally said not visible) but visible all the same. So ... if I say they are visible on the questionnaire, I type Explorer whether I am a slight taster or super taster  :)
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, April 2, 2012, 1:29pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I have seen Dr. D use the Gather diet for an O to lose weight-- I say try it and see how it goes.


Not much changes for me  from the SWAMI Explorer to the SWAMI Gatherer diet. Mostly the cheeses, a few veggie proteins and fruit & veggies. Not that I need to lose weight at this point, but I know a Type 0 that is an Explorer who is having problems to lose weight. She has SWAMI, so would she eat as is the recommended foods for a Gatherer even through she does not get some of these as an Explorer as per SWAMI?
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 4:47pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from 14940

Whimsical, I grimace a bit and think it tastes pretty vile, which sounds closer to super-taster, do you think? Health issues - mainly weight, tiredness and bad headaches, which as I understand, could be liver/toxicity related or blood sugar/insulin related ... Still puzzled!  ??) Caffeine withdrawal means excruciatingly bad headaches, which is why I'm still drinking coffee ...  :B


I am a taster and while I notice a bitter taste, I don't find it so strong that I make a face!  But it does taste bad (does bitter ever taste good?).  I think either diet would be fine, give it 3 months of high compliance and see how it goes.  Also, get off the coffee!  You can cut coffee with another beverage (green tea, kukicha tea, etc at 1/4, then 1/2, then 3/4 until you wean down.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 3, 2012, 5:12pm; Reply: 23
I'm with whimsical on this.  I grimace and it tastes lousy, but the taste doesn't last for hours.  So I pick taster.  If I do supertaster, I'm typed as an explorer also.  If I'm just a taster, I'm a Nomad.  The thing is, when I do the supertaster, my percentage is less than if I do taster.  So, I've stuck with that taster.  This thread has me questioning though.  But the fact is my food lists don't change a whole heck of a lot.  I may run it again just to see if they do change a lot.  But for some reasons strawberries become black dots on the explorer diet.  

Yeah, I just redid it.  If I'm a "slight taster" I'm 32% Nomad.  When I check "super taster" I'm 29% Explorer.  

I think I'll stick with Nomad.  It seems to be working.  I don't know. I do know I have explorer traits, but I think because of BT I'm such a blend of 3 of them.  Teacher/Nomad/Explorer.  Because if I do the book measurements, I'm a teacher.  So, for me, there is no perfect list.  I just have to do my best and see if eating the foods tell me something.  It probably would be good to know which foods the explorer doesn't like.  Because it changes my fish list pretty drastically.  But I think stressing over the few foods that change is probably more of a problem than just going with it.  Maybe some day that will change.  
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 8:08pm; Reply: 24
The taster strip can linger for hours for a supertaster.   ::)

Any reaction that is gone within a few minutes would probably be a taster-level reaction.  The sense of degree is much more subjective than the sense of duration, I believe.

If I think too much about my own multi-hour reaction, I almost get the feeling of that darned taste back again.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 10:43pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from paul clucas
The taster strip can linger for hours for a supertaster.   ::)

Any reaction that is gone within a few minutes would probably be a taster-level reaction.  The sense of degree is much more subjective than the sense of duration, I believe.

If I think too much about my own multi-hour reaction, I almost get the feeling of that darned taste back again.


That's a really good point, Paul!  The duration would be the indicator.  It lasted a good long time on my tongue too.  Not something I need to do again anytime soon!   ;D  I ticked supertaster.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 5, 2012, 3:11am; Reply: 26
Yeah, mine didn't last as long.  Maybe 5 minutes or so.  And I don't get the heeebejeeeebees thinking about it.  I also find that I really really like foods that have a bitterness to them when other people are gagging from them.  So....  I have a feeling some of the people that are gagging on the bitterness are really supertasters and I enjoy them because I'm not gagging from it but it has some bitterness that isn't a negative thing.  Eh?  
Posted by: Klgm326, Friday, April 13, 2012, 10:39pm; Reply: 27
Hi everybody.  I just ordered the SWAMI software.  From what I'm reading,this actually "combines" types, or shows you what's good for you from different types?  Am I reading correctly?  The reason I decided to invest in it is because when I did the Genotype testing, the test came out insisting that I'm a Gatherer.  But all of the strength tests essentially pointed toward Hunter.  I scored a 22 on Hunter and only a 6 on Gatherer.  I went back to see why and it was my index and ring fingers.  Index are .5 cm longer than ring.  I actually measured them incorrectly a couple of times and the rings came out longer.  The Hunter description sounds so much like me -- but there are a few things in the Gatherer.  Ughh.... So, hopefully SWAMI makes it all a little clearer? :B

Just wondering. :o
Thanks
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, April 13, 2012, 10:58pm; Reply: 28
In SWAMI GenoType no longer matters, you get diet recommendations based on your measurements (assuming you tell it to calculate GenoType for you and do not override the calculation by specifying a specific GenoType).

SWAMI does tell you your GenoType superfamily, but it does not matter since you follow an individualized diet plan recommended by SWAMI not one of the diet plans in the book.
Posted by: Klgm326, Saturday, April 14, 2012, 12:54pm; Reply: 29
Thank you!  That sounds exactly like what I'm looking for!  The Genotype just sounded so confusing and so contrary to what I first thought was good for me -- a complete reversal, actually.  
We shall see...can't wait to see...
Thanks again! :)
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