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Posted by: JJR, Monday, March 26, 2012, 9:44pm
I eat 500 calories at breakfast and lunch. Or thereabouts.  But for some reason dinner never makes it close enough.  It's usually a 300-400 calorie meal.  The reason that I need to do this is if I got more calories at dinner, I would be able to go to bed earlier.  

The way I'm doing it now, I usually wait another 2 hours after dinner and make some fruit with some nut butter or something and that rounds out my dinner meal to 500 calories.  The only way I get my breakfast and lunch to be 500 calories is by eating nuts with each.  But then I don't with dinner.  After I make the "after dinner fruit" I'll make my grain meal which also has nuts in it.  And that's always 500 calories or a little more.  Which is good.  But I'm leary about adding another serving of nuts at dinner time.  I'm already eating over my quota of nuts per swami recommendations.  So.....  But I'm not sure what else to do.  Nuts seem to do good for me and they're loaded with calories.  So....  Do I add nuts at my dinner meal?  

The other problem is, I eat fruit at breakfast, than at snack between lunch and dinner.  And a lot of times if I don't eat that after dinner fruit meal, my digestion knows it. Meaning it seems to like that serving of fruit.  Which my swami says I should get 5 servings of fruit a day.  That's a lot.  So....  It's almost like I need that fruit there.  I wonder if I could just add it closer to dinner time.  Maybe eat a less dinner.  I usually eat a salad at dinner with some meat and some kind of higher calorie veggie.  Like peas. potatoes, something to get me some calories.  But it's never enough calories but fills me up.  That's the other upside about nuts.  They don't really fill me up overly much, but help with getting the calories I need.  I do believe I need the salads.  It's about the only veggie I eat completely raw besides cucumbers and I need that crunch and stuff daily, I think.  But lettuce has like NO calories.  Nor do most veggies that you might eat raw.  I suppose carrots would be an exception to that.  

So....  I feel like I need a tweak, but not sure what to do.  

I'd be interested to hear what briny has to say on this.  And anyone else who has to keep getting enough calories, as opposed to not thinking about it and undereating and losing weight and energy.  I know I'm a minority in this, but I'm sure some of you might have some ideas.  
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:08am; Reply: 1
High fiber foods tend to be filling but they are no doubt great foods. Pasta and grains are caloric foods especially if you add some type of oil or fat to them. The natural fats on meat will add some calories or a stir fry made with a compliant oil adds calories.

Healthy foods are generally not very calorie dense. In general liberal amounts of oils, butter, and ghee adds calories.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 6:04am; Reply: 2
I find that when being compliant to all aspects then the calories become much fewer then other wise.. Why are you splitting the foods BY time?  are you full after dinner?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 2:46pm; Reply: 3
I wonder if you'd do better having the salad as an afternoon snack, so that you can eat a higher-calorie dinner. Or maybe with lunch, and then have two snacks between lunch and dinner, or a larger snack in between.

Maybe the problem is the timing of your daily salad.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 3:33pm; Reply: 4
You could make a big salad with extra olive oil dressing (1 tblspn= 100 calories) and a genotype friendly cheese.  This could be a very good meal for you.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:54pm; Reply: 5
Interesting thoughts.  I never eat a tablespoon of oil at one time.  I think I'd be sick if I did.  I only get a tablespoon of oil on my swami per day.  So, I stretch it throughout the day.  Plus, cheese has stopped me up, but I do need to try it again at some point.  Adding something like that to my salad would help a great deal though.  For sure!!

Ruthie, I was eating my salad at lunch for a long while and I still had the same problem.  It's not the lettuce that fills me up.  It's the other vegetable I'll eat with that meal.  The problem is the meat.  There are only so many high calories meats and I can't eat them at every meal.  At lunch time, I eat a can of tuna or salmon.  And they are typically over 200 calories.  The tuna I buy is 300 calories for 6 ounces.  At lunch I'll eat a can of that, with some veggies and nuts all in one bowl. Same with canned salmon.  I rotate them.  So lunch is a one bowl meal with high calorie fish and nuts and veggies.  But dinner, the meats are not usually as high in calories except when I eat lamb.  Well then it's higher than any other meal and there's no problem.  But I can't eat that every night.  The highest calorie meat meal at dinner time besides lamb is a turkey burger.  I get the jennie-o ones and they are 200 calories.  Ohterwise, beef, venison, other forms of turkey, etc, are never that high in calories.  Hmmmmm....  I just had a thought.  At lunch I'm eating 5-6 ounces of the fish.  But at dinner, the burgers or portions I usually eat are only 4 ounces.  I could probably eat more.  That's a funny though.  Usually everything comes in a 2 or 4 package.  Mostly 4.  And there's four of us so we all just eat one.  Typically.  

I don't think adding a grain would necessarily be a wise thing to do.  But it would depend on what else I was eating I guess.  I have not yet tried to mix too many grains with proteins other than nuts.  And like I said, I eat my grains as an after dinner snack.  After the fruit meal.  It's usually like 11pm when I eat my bowl of grain.  And it sits so well then.  I have debated about trying to add them at more intervals throughout the day, but I either have to take time to make some kind of muffins or bread on my own, or opt for some kind of commercial version.  And I haven't eaten bread in a LONG LONG time.  I tried some spelt bread last year that had just like spelt, salt, water and yeast.  There might have been one or two more ingredients but it was nothing I couldn't have.  But it made me feel awful after eating it.  I don't know if it's the yeast or what.  You can buy all kinds of rice breads but they have all kind of other stuff in them typically that I'm skeptical about.  

The easiest answer is to just add some nuts.  But I'm not sure it's the right answer.  I also thought about adding some kind of fruit juice with dinner.  I only drink water right now.  That's it.  Nothing else.  And of course it's not with dinner.  I drink most of it in the morning when I get up and then sip on it the rest of the day.  

Cheese would definitely help on my salad.  But it has stopped me up in the past.  And my swami really doesn't want me having much dairy at all.  Of course that's because I checked the lactose intolerance thingy.  Before I had problems, I used to be fine on dairy and eat a lot of it.  And maybe someday I'll be able to eat it again.  I do eat butter.  Not a whole lot.  But the butter I use actually takes up my amount of dairy swami tells me.  Of course I go over the nut portions, so, I'm sure I could go over in another category.

These are all good thoughts though and will help.  Any more are welcomed.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:57pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Goldie
I find that when being compliant to all aspects then the calories become much fewer then other wise.. Why are you splitting the foods BY time?  are you full after dinner?


500-550 is about as much as I can stomach at one meal.  I just don't put away tons of food at one sitting.  I never have.  Well, there might have been times that I could push it.  But typically, I've been a grazer my whole life.  Especially if you start adding the grains at a meal, it fills me up real quick.  If I try to stuff myself, I'm hurtin for certain.  I'm not a very big guy.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 5:54pm; Reply: 7
Since you're trying to gain weight, not lose it, I think you should consider the SWAMI portions to be minimums per day, not maximums. I don't see why you should limit yourself to 1 tablespoon of oil per day, when an extra tablespoon would provide extra calories without taking up too much volume in your stomach. Certainly, don't eat so much that you get nauseated, but if you can tolerate it, I wouldn't limit any high-calorie foods.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 6:35pm; Reply: 8
You're probably right.  I'm not really sure where MY limit is.  I haven't really pushed it.  Well, that's not entirely true.  I'm eating more now than I was for a while.  But I could probably up it.  That would be one way to up the calories.  I know most people drizzle their salads with some kind of dressing or oil.  It would probably be good for me if I used more olive oil in a days time.  

Maybe I'll do that.  What is an acceptable amount on a salad?  I've been using 1/2 teaspoon lately.  
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 2:51am; Reply: 9
Adding calories to a salad:

I may have missed some logic here.

But it seems to me that slicing a hard boiled egg into the salad would add 90 calories - about the amount you wanted to add at dinner.

Other things I had to salad up calorie count, some of which you already have enough of in your diet:

Pieces of cooked turkey
Pieces of salmon

Slices of pears
Chunks of fresh pineapple

Salad dressing made from ground almonds
Salad dressing made form dates and oil

Shelled watermelon seeds if you can find them
Macadamia nuts
Walnuts

Sliced figs
Sliced dates
Sliced dried apricots
dried cranberries/cherries/blueberries
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 4:59pm; Reply: 10
I eat an egg every morning.  I don't know if I should eat one every night with dinner. swami says 9 per week.  

I always have meat with my salad.   Adding a little more might help, but it's not the complete answer.  

I eat dried fruits like figs and dates and prunes with breakfast and my last snack of the day.  Which is like 5 a day.  (like two prunes in the AM and 3 at night.  Same with figs and dates)  I'm not sure if I should eat more or not.  But I had thought about eating them after dinner with some nut butter like a dessert and that could help.  And then just eating something different at the last meal of the day.  For that meal, I typically take some canned pumpkin or butternut squash and add the dried fruit with some nut butter.  It's really good and yummy and kind of makes me full to go to sleep and have sweet dreams.  hehehhe  But foregoing the dried fruit in there could work.  Won't taste as good though.  Hehehe

For what it's worth, I'm up 13 pounds now since late November.  I hit 127 last night.  PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!  
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