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Posted by: Spring, Monday, March 19, 2012, 4:24pm

Another case, in a long line of others, that supports keeping as healthy as possible following the guidelines we have already proven to be effective!!
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 7:26pm; Reply: 1
I kind of browsed the article and didn't read the whole thing.  But it didn't seem to mention about being vaccinated.  We get outbreaks of whooping cough in the public school systems up here and I know these kids have been vaccinated, because most public school people do get vaccinations.  But they'll be outbreaks of many kids.  

The vaccinations, imho, don't really work.  I worked with a guy who got the chicken pox when he was older.  And he said he was vaccinated for it as a child.  I'm like, OK, why prolong the agony then?  Just let the kids get it and be done with it.  I'm afraid for my kids, because barely anybody gets it around here and my kids never had it.  I had it when I was like 5.  

My point is, I would be willing to be people getting it, were people that were probably vaccinated as a child for it.  Isn't it one of the vaccinations they give?
Posted by: BHealthy, Monday, August 27, 2012, 8:37pm; Reply: 2
The whooping cough vaccine has been proven to be a scam:

And, Merck, the mfg of the MMR vaccine has just been successfully used for fraud:
Posted by: chrissyA, Monday, August 27, 2012, 10:57pm; Reply: 3
My brother has had chicken pox three times - there are different strains of it just like there are different strains of the flu. And if that isn't gloomy enough, shingles is a type of chicken pox that older folks are even more porne to (unhappy)
Posted by: chrissyA, Monday, August 27, 2012, 11:00pm; Reply: 4
Welcome BHealthy (smile)
Posted by: D.L., Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 12:03am; Reply: 5
My children and grandchildren were vaccinated for whooping cough, measles, mumps, etc. I don't know if I had the whooping cough vaccine. However I actually got chicken pox, (I have the scars), measles and mumps when in kindergarten. My mother got shingles on her back as an elderly adult. Very painful for her.  
Posted by: Adopted4, Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 3:53am; Reply: 6
The vaccine controversy has been an issue that I've had very strong feelings about for a number of years. I've always felt as though I'm a person that approaches sensitive and controversial subjects with genuine objectivity. When it comes to politics, religion, health care (in this discussion vaccines), or any other hot topics I try to base my own conclusions as though I were a juror in a major trial. A juror has a moral obligation to hear and consider all evidence presented before rendering an educated decision that will have lifelong ramifications on any number of people.

My dh and I found ourselves in a position many years ago where we needed to do our own research on the history of vaccines and whether or not we wanted to subject our future adopted children to any. We read pages of information from various websites, some pro-vaccine and some anti-vaccine.  I previously had no problem with people choosing to vaccinate children before I reached this critical juncture in my life. However, I started feeling baffled and confused that although the major media paints this pretty picture that vaccines are so safe, very rarely risky or dangerous, and have saved a countless number of people over the decades, I happened to know at that time multiple parents who had 1 or more children that suffered severe or life-threatening reactions. This was not remotely consistent with the " approximately 1 in 10,000 people will suffer a major reaction" opinion I was usually hearing or reading about. I just didn't know that many people and neither was I out there looking for people with vaccine reaction stories.  The reality is, when major reactions are reported by individuals many doctors dismiss them as illnesses or reactions caused by other sources, or some doctors simply don't report it to the Vaccine Safety Commission (I think that's the name of the commission). The stories from the families I spoke to firsthand were very real. They came to the same conclusions I did, only difference is their children nearly died or suffered longterm damage.

I don't belittle or insult people that choose to subject themselves or their children to vaccines, but I will not hide or water down the process I went through that led me to conclude that the benefits of vaccines do NOT outweigh the potential risks (at least not most the time). My kids all had multiple vaccines before they were adopted, but not one of my kids has had a vaccine as long as they've been my children. Although I'm not 100% compliant on my diet, I no longer live my life in fear of horrible, deadly diseases and that I have absolutely no control over my health. It doesn't mean people won't get sick or live forever, but I think a longterm goal for most people doing this kind of diet is living a quality healthy life well into our golden years.

By the way, to address the chicken pox issue, I had it as a child and a few years ago I got the shingles. I didn't recognize it until about a week into it because the rash was not very significant and I had no pain the first few days. When I started experiencing pain and the rash started to spread a bit, that is when I recognized it as shingles. It really wasn't a big deal, though it did get painful and I felt a little fatigued on the most painful days. I'm sure, had I been much older, it probably would have been a worse case. I know the research says that once you've had shingles you're more likely to get them again, and I have to say that I still get twinges in the region where I had shingles. I was not on the blood type diet then, but I was into natural medicine and read that high doses of Vitamin C and lysine were very effective in getting over the shingles quickly. It worked like a charm for me as long as I was taking high enough doses and when I started tapering off too soon the pain immediately came back, so that's how I can attest to Vitamin C and lysine's effectiveness against shingles.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 7:36am; Reply: 7
the vaccines I did: is for pneumonia .. last a life time now..      and for shingles.. I am afraid of it..

for kids I would only give one item at a time, spaced over 5 years.. and only when children are Healthy!
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 2:44am; Reply: 8
When my son was about 5 months old he got sick.  We took him to the doctor like good little boys and girls.  The nurse decided it would be a good idea to give him his 6 month shots because we were there.  I wasn't sure about it, but I trusted her.  1 week after that he developed eczema, that continued to grow into a full blown deal that engulfed his whole body.  It was a living hell that took years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars and lots of lost sleep to figure out how to help him. And I'm still pretty angry deep down about it.  I don't blame anyone per se.  But I think they can take their vaccines and shove it up their you know whats.  

Now, what I do understand is that I had vaccines and had no immediate problems.  Whether it has helped my health problems later in life, I know not.  So, I'm not so against them.  What I am against is that if you even begin to point a finger about my sons problems to the doctors that thought they were a good idea, they would deny it and act like you're crazy.  Plus they will be VERY VERY pushy about giving him more.  We did not give him any more.  And we did not give my Daughter (second child) any.  She's 9 now and has not had the whooping cough, chicken pox or any of that.  I wish she would get the chicken pox.  

But anyways...  The whole system is screwy.  I agree with adopted4 that there are probably way more cases of harmful side affects than reported, due to the doctors' consistent ignorance about the subject.  I'm not saying all, but many.  I try not to get mad about these things, but I almost see red when I start thinking about this subject.  Through all of our health challenges, any mainstream doctor was so full of nothing it was astonishing.  Their real big on what drug you need to be on, but have no clue how to help you be healthy.  It's just that simple.  We had to seek alternative doctors to figure out how to heal.  And of course, none of that is covered by insurance.  Although the upside is if you spend a large enough percentage of your income, it's tax deductible.  It's a shame we had to be so sick to be able to meet those requirements.  

The conventional system stinks.  It's just that simple.  Probably not for everyone.  But it did for our family.  Big time.

And I judge no one that takes them.  You have to decide for yourself.  As I said, I had them.  I didn't have reactions like that.  At least none that I know of.  I was pretty healthy growing up.  Although small.  But that might be more genetics than health problems.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 8:18pm; Reply: 9
I wish they did more research on vaccine safety, with a truly un-vaccinated  control group! I'd also like to see high-quality research comparing the health of kids who get the vaccines as babies compared to those who get the vaccines just before starting kindergarten. It makes intuitive sense that the shot would be gentler on the system of an older child (everything is more diluted since the shot is the same and the child is bigger, plus older kids have stronger immune systems, more developed livers, etc) but as of now that's just an intuitive guess, not scientifically proven.

As of now, they test vaccines by giving the "control group" (who'd fully vaccinated with all the "old" vaccines) the same toxic cocktail minus the inactivated germs. Both groups have the same side effects, so they determine that "the vaccine is safe."

It's crazy. It truly is. And the worst part about is is that you need to claim a religious exemption if you want to enroll your kid in school or daycare and not vaccinate. Which is fine if you're 100% opposed to all vaccines, but there's no option for selectively vaccinating- either you opt out altogether or you have to follow their schedule.

You can't be "religiously opposed to vaccinating infants but OK with vaccinating older children"- a tough spot for families who must use daycare. You can't vaccinate your A child and leave your O child unvaccinated if you feel that's the safest route for each individual child. You can't vaccinate for polio but not for chicken pox (unless you file the religious exemption and don't tell the school about the vaccines you do use.) And even if you wanted to vaccinate against measles but not mumps or rubella, the vaccine doesn't even exist!
Posted by: Averno, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 9:41pm; Reply: 10
And every so often, the AMA or NIH or WHO declares the science settled. Hardly.
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 10:26pm; Reply: 11
My daughter has all her vaccines and never been sick. She does have seasonal allergies. I am the same- I had all my vaccines and never have been really sick, just seasonal allergies. My husband as had all his vaccines and he gets sick occassionally. I think each person is unique and vaccines are harmless for most and a few have reactions - like any drug or food for that matter. :) Just my 2 cents worth  :)
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 10:28pm; Reply: 12
Oh, I actually had my MMR twice - as a child, then later as an adult. I was told as a child I had dead vaccine and now they do a live vaccine - the reason for getting it again - I was working in a hospital at the time.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, August 30, 2012, 4:52pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from ProudWarrior
My daughter has all her vaccines and never been sick. She does have seasonal allergies. I am the same- I had all my vaccines and never have been really sick, just seasonal allergies. My husband as had all his vaccines and he gets sick occassionally. I think each person is unique and vaccines are harmless for most and a few have reactions - like any drug or food for that matter. :) Just my 2 cents worth  :)

Yeah, but that's the point.  If you didn't have any negative reactions, you would have no idea.  But in my family, it's a totally different ball game.  Meaning, "Harmless for most" is very subjective.  Plus, kids in general are having more health problems than they've ever had.  Why?  I'm not saying 100% it's the vaccines.  But I AM saying I believe, and so does my current doctor, that the vaccinations were very hard on my child.  Very hard.  And it screwed him up big time.  I also have a Nephew who is autistic.  And I also suspect the vaccines because his behavior seemed to change around the time that he had a vaccination.  Plus he had a pnuemothorax at birth and had antibiotics in the hospital right away.  At a very critical stage of growth for the gut flora.  I think those two things combined and BAM, you have an autistic child.  I don't know that for sure, but the rates of Autism in children has skyrocketed.  

There is a reason.  And I think, from my experience, that there is a pretty darn good chance that immunizations are to blame.  

Thank God you didn't have any problems or your children.  That is great.  But those of us who have, well, we might get a little irritated about the whole deal.  Especially when, IMHO, it's not really necessary.  What does it do?  It doesn't stop you from getting the very thing you got immunized for.  You may THINK it does.  But I'm not really sure that's true either.  
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, August 30, 2012, 4:55pm; Reply: 14
Ruthie, good point about the not being able to pick and choose which ones you'd like.  It's a bad deal.  You probably could just opt out for "religious reasons" and then give them which ones you want from another source.  Or just don't tell them.  But I suppose that is telling a lie.  Which I don't like to do.  

Posted by: Mrs T O+, Friday, August 31, 2012, 4:05am; Reply: 15
JJR: Something is goofy when you take your kid to the dr. because he is sick & then they subject him to more stresses by giving his shots.
I would think that would be contraindicated.

Besides autism, I also suspect that diseases like cerebral palsy, etc. are caused by shots.  I hear of families where the kids are normal & then, maybe at 6 months, all of a sudden get some vile illness.  I can think of a few examples myself.

I lean away from shots. I gave my kids(now in their 30s)the shots recommended as I thought it was OK, but now I would be against it.  Thankfully, they seem healthy, but one never knows.
Today the recommended shots are 1 1/2 times as many as my kids got.
I don't try to convince pro-shot people as this is a volatile issue, but I do find others that are against them. The public is waking up.
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Friday, August 31, 2012, 2:48pm; Reply: 16
It is really hard to say if the vaccines caused it - vaccines are given at the time these problems present themselves developmentally - it could just be timing - I think it has more to do with the chemicals and GMO being used on our food sources and chemicals used in and on storage containers. There are several possiblilities and I think that just focusing on vaccines could limit actually finding the answers. After all Polio has be eliminated through the use of vaccines. Again just my 2 cents worth.  If you really look at the numbers - all school age kids have to have their vaccinations to get into school - with very few exception - the numbers would be much higher for childern having issues. Again I think it is individual reactions and all the chemicals and GMO's that were not in our world even 20 years ago.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, August 31, 2012, 5:24pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ProudWarrior
It is really hard to say if the vaccines caused it - vaccines are given at the time these problems present themselves developmentally - it could just be timing - I think it has more to do with the chemicals and GMO being used on our food sources and chemicals used in and on storage containers. There are several possiblilities and I think that just focusing on vaccines could limit actually finding the answers. After all Polio has be eliminated through the use of vaccines. Again just my 2 cents worth.  If you really look at the numbers - all school age kids have to have their vaccinations to get into school - with very few exception - the numbers would be much higher for childern having issues. Again I think it is individual reactions and all the chemicals and GMO's that were not in our world even 20 years ago.

You are mistaken, and my doctor can show you on the tests where my son was fighting off the viruses injected into him.  The levels of antibodies were way way too high and causing him harm by overloading his immune system.

   You are regurgitating the typical speak of everyone pro shots.  Like I said, it's your choice and I don't fault you for it.  But I would say you're out of your league on this one.  You haven't been down that road enough to know what is good for EVERYONE.  You're just repeating what you're told by the mainstream.  Who, by the way, have money incentive to push them.  I would imagine some think that they are beneficial, as you do.  But again, I know from experience with my own child, and with other people I know that have never had shot #1, they are not necessary.  You have an immune system.  Can they possibly be helpful?  Yeah, I will agree that maybe they do something for some people.  But for us, the side affects were not worth the risk of the benefits.  YMMV.  But what works for you, doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone should be subjected to it.

If they're so effective in the grade schools, why have I heard of whooping cough outbreaks in the public schools in the last few years.  If they're all supposed to have their shots, why would they be getting it?  I'm betting if you looked into those cases, you would find kids that have been immunized, are still getting it.  
Posted by: Adopted4, Saturday, September 1, 2012, 3:30am; Reply: 18
VeganWarrior, I appreciate your opinion and willingness to express your viewpoint because the vaccine subject is not necessarily a "black or white" or "all or nothing" subject. As I previously mentioned in this thread a few days ago, I am strongly apposed to vaccines, but not necessarily 100% of the time. Even a friend of mine whose first infant daughter went into cardiac arrest hours after a DTP vaccine told me that she thought her daughter should get vaccinated against Rubella as a young adult because it is a very deadly threat to an unborn baby should the mother ever be exposed during a pregnancy. By that time a woman's immune system is far more likely to tolerate the toxins in the vaccine versus during infancy. By the way, my friends daughter is at least 30 years old and the baby, I believe, had this reaction at 4 months, well before this baby would have been eating chemically ridden foods. That also includes many of my other friends I mentioned who had multiple children who had reactions to the DTP vaccine at very young ages like 2,4, or 6 months. All these children are well into their adulthood now and were too young at the time of their bad reactions to be eating anything.

I find it interesting that you cited the polio vaccine eradicating the polio virus. In my research that I did all those years ago, I read quite a bit about the epidemic trends of the most scary and crippling diseases, such as polio, pertussis (whooping cough), diphtheria, and so on. If you look at the time frames that these various diseases were the most rampant, what you'll find is that the diseases were already on a downward trend when the vaccines were introduced. Yes, the number of reported cases continued to go down, but not necessarily just because of the vaccines. Many people conclude that many of these diseases would eventually run their course. Also, poverty, overcrowding, and malnutrition generally have more to do with epidemics than a lack of vaccines do.

Another interesting fact I discovered was the trend for new diseases to be introduced to society as widespread vaccinations became more common in the early to mid-1900's, suggesting that while vaccines may help stop the spread of contagious diseases, peoples immune systems were becoming more and more compromised that ultimately made them more vulnerable to other deadly diseases. I know when I look at my vaccine records and compare them to the typical vaccine schedule today, I'm astounded that while more and more new vaccines are continuously being added to the typical childhood vaccination schedule, they're not replacing some of the older less serious diseases. And people wonder why allergies, asthma, auto-immune disorder, autism, ADHD, cancer, diabetes,SIDS, and the list goes on, are continuously on the rise. Yes, consuming the wrong foods for your type and eating a diet high in processed foods play a role, but you really need to do the research for yourself to determine just what affect long-term vaccinations may have on yours and your loved ones lives.

One more thing, with the exception of tetanus, all diseases being vaccinated against are germs or microbes that usually enter the body through the digestive or respiratory tract. That means that germs stand a much lesser chance of being life-threatening when they're more likely to be rendered harmless before entering the bloodstream, that is when the body is healthy. Of course, there was the oral polio vaccine, but that was discontinued years ago because of its potential health risks. Vaccines all bypass these systems and are therefore much more likely to invade the host when entering the body directly into the circulatory system.  Infants do not have something called the "blood-brain barrier" which usually prevents the entrance of any harmful substances into the brain. This barrier develops through infancy, and when the toxins commonly found in vaccines (particularly the triple antigens) are being injected into infants that don't have this full defense, inevitably negative consequences will often follow. Only a few will have immediate life-threatening reactions, but I believe many people suffer the "latent" effects of vaccines which aren't usually recognizable right away.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, September 1, 2012, 8:35pm; Reply: 19
While we are on the topic of vaccines, what do you all think about the shingles vaccine that is being offered now? Shingles is such a painful disease & last several weeks where it is almost impossible to sleep with the pain.  How safe is the vaccine?

There is also a push for seniors to get the flu shot. I still avoid it, but I wonder if there will come a time when the gov't will mandate it for seniors & small children. The recommend it now for those ages.  I will soon be a senior, so I don't want to be pressured into what I consider a dangerous thing.  I know about megadoses of Vit. D for the flu & bought some at the health expo. I trust that better!!!!
Posted by: Adopted4, Saturday, September 1, 2012, 9:58pm; Reply: 20
If you are following your bloodtype/genotype diet, the chances of you getting a severe case of the shingles or flu is extremely improbable. Of course no one can be sure of having perfect health while remaining mostly compliant on their diet, but a person would have to be significantly immune compromised for the shingles or flu viruses to activate.

As I mentioned in my first post on this thread, a had the shingles without knowing it for nearly a week. Taking 1,000mg of l-lysine and 1,000mg of Vitamin C 3 times a day stopped the rash dead in its tracks and the pain started decreasing immediately. My two mistakes were: not getting checked out by a doctor right away, and tapering off my doses of lysine and vitamin C before my body had really ridded itself of the virus. Overall, my case of shingles was really not too bad. I know there is anti-viral medicine that a doctor can give to speed up the rate of healing if the virus is diagnosed and treated early on. I know I've also heard that acupuncture and chiropractic care can eliminate a case of shingles just before it erupts. Research signs and symptoms of shingles so if you feel you may be on the verge of it you may be able to nip it in the bud.

As far as the flu vaccine goes, even if it's true that not all of the vaccines contain mercury, they still have to be developed with preservatives such as aluminum, formaldahyde, MSG, and perhaps others, to ensure large stockpiles of vaccines don't go bad before they are administered into patients. As we all know with our individual blood types and genotypes, some will react more negatively than others to these toxins. I think explorers in particular will have an especially hard time excreting these toxins. These toxins are considered neuro-toxins and have been linked to ADHD and alzheimers which are neuro-disorders; I think formaldahyde has been linked to various forms of cancer.

If you find that the flu season is a bad one this fall/winter and you're concerned, load up on your bloodtype or genotype supplements, if you can afford it, and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, September 2, 2012, 1:41am; Reply: 21
We don't know for certain that vaccines are contributing to the chronic health problems in kids today. It's likely that GMO foods and general toxins in the environment play a role as well. It's clear that vaccines harm some children, and that doctors are slow to recognize the problem with those individual kids. It's possible that thousands or millions more are being harmed by vaccines in subtle ways that are hard to blame on the shots, but it's also possible that GMO foods, antibiotics, ultrasounds in utero, etc, are causing more problems and the vaccines are NOT to blame. Nobody is really studying this properly so we don't know for certain.

It's also unclear how much the vaccines are preventing illnesses. It's making the risk/benefit analysis of vaccines very hard to calculate. The whole situation is so emotionally charged that it's hard to find unbiased information anywhere.

I personally will never get another vaccine. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia a few months after my last tetanus booster, and I honestly don't know if there's a connection or not. I don't tend to get acute infections, and I'd rather take my chances with illnesses than take my chances with vaccine reactions.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 10:15pm; Reply: 22
All very good points.  Thank you Ruthie for being so much more "tactful" than I on this subject.  I totally agree with what you said, and Adopted4, I am in full agreement on everything you said also.  My Chiropractor has said some of the same things you have there.  

I think someone put it best by saying it's not a black and white thing.  
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 11:32pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from JJR
All very good points.  Thank you Ruthie for being so much more "tactful" than I on this subject.  

Considering what you and your family have been through, I think you were pretty restrained in your reply.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 11:55pm; Reply: 24
Well I'm not sure that's a good excuse, but hopefully people will cut me some slack for my zealousness.  I'm trying to be fair and balanced about it.  But I do have some strong feelings about it.  Which I think I stated earlier.  

But thank you for the encouragement.  
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