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Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 1:38am
When I first started, I went with the BTD Arthritis protocol and had pretty good results. Seeing all the good reviews regarding SWAMI I ended up ordering it. I don't find it is nearly as effective as the BTD Arthritis protocol. Do I just ditch SWAMI? I am back on the BTD AP again. Should I try my SWAMI again in a few months?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 2:03am; Reply: 1
yes, but if you clicked on arthritis in the personal hx your lists should be much more targeted than the health series book

try healing your gut first and make sure you stay away from avoids
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 2:15am; Reply: 2
Gardengirl you said arthritis protocol.

I consider arthritis protocol to be this:

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/7.html

Did you mean the protocol or the diet give in the Health Library series book, titled Arthritis-Fight it with the Blood Type Diet

My response will be considerably different depending on what is meant.
Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 4:20am; Reply: 3
I mean the book - Arthritis - Fight it with the BTD. I did click off the joint problem box on my SWAMI. Thanks
Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 4:25am; Reply: 4
Yes, I do have a lot of gut healing to do. Regretfully, I messed up over the holiday season. It seemed like I was handling it fine. One day, my fingers and feet had nodules in them, and all the other symptoms came out. I tell you, it was a learning experience for me.
Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 4:29am; Reply: 5
Also, for gut healing. How do you know you are there? I read somewhere it is 1 month for every year you had symptoms.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 4:59am; Reply: 6
Quoted from gardengirl
Also, for gut healing. How do you know you are there? I read somewhere it is 1 month for every year you had symptoms.

Your fingerprint ridges come back really well, you don't have any abdominal pain, your BM are regular, ...  What else???

How long were you following your SWAMI diet?  I felt pretty rough as my body adapted to the new diet, but it was for the better...
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 5:10am; Reply: 7
Quoted from gardengirl
I mean the book - Arthritis - Fight it with the BTD. I did click off the joint problem box on my SWAMI. Thanks


Several notes: The Arthritis book is focused primarily on Arthritis. Since it is only addressing the one issue it may in fact make a more noticeable effect on that one issue than SWAMI which is trying to address multiple issues at once.

Depending on my pain level I might well decide that it was more important to be pain free (or at least with less pain) than to follow a diet that addresses more issues.




Blood Type Diet primarily addresses the effects of lectins. I can feel the effect of lectins within hours of ingestion. The effects of resetting genes takes months (and it is gradual so I do not always notice the difference).




SWAMI GenoType(people sometime refer to this as Pro) gives much more control than SWAMI Xpress, so a practitioner may be able to get better control over diet options to get SWAMI to more fully address the arthritis issue




In addition to the joint pain question-Checking family history of Arthritis will cause SWAMI to more strongly emphasize foods that help heal Arthritis.




Checking a lot of other boxes in SWAMI may undo the effect of checking the joint box.

That is because checking the joint check box will cause rating of foods that have a tendency to irritate joints to be reduced in rating and those foods that help reduce joint pain to moved up in ratings.

When you check other boxes the same foods that were lowered in rating because of the joint issue will be shoved up in the ratings cancelling out the affect that joints had on the food rating.

Likewise those foods that were boosted in rating to treat the joint issue may be reduced in rating by some other issue that was checked cancelling out the affect that joints had on the food rating.



Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 2:03pm; Reply: 8
Nightshades are biggies for arthritis. Tomato, potato, etc.
I would assume SWAMI left those in the avoid column, but as C Sharp said- it may have moved based on other input. I would avoid those as well as wheat and potentially dairy.
Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 2:37pm; Reply: 9
I think parmesan cheese is bringing me down. It's in my SWAMI but not the BT diet. I have had AI conditions since I was 12 (so that's almost thirty years) so I think I should stick with the strict BT diet for now and try again in the summer. Like I said, I really blew it this past holiday season. Two days back on the BT diet my morning stiffness is pretty much gone, it will take longer for the nodules though but they have certainly decreased. I can't wait for my next blood test- how weird is that. I know my numbers will be different though.
Tomatoes and potatoes are pretty much a thing of the past. It's the cheeses I am having a hard time with. Parmesan is just a reminder of what I am missing and I am probably overdoing it so I should just lay off if I can't control myself.
Whew, it feels good to be on track. I just wish I stayed on.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 2:40pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from gardengirl

Whew, it feels good to be on track. I just wish I stayed on.


Those are wise words, indeed. And words that I have to hear again and again, even after almost 16 years of following this way of life.
Posted by: damselwings, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 10:55pm; Reply: 11
I just got the Arthritis: Fight it with the Blood Type Diet.  I lived the GTD of a gatherer for quite a lot of years and it worked great for weight loss (which I have kept off).  Then I slacked off and have been eating pretty much whatever I felt like.  And in the meantime developed DJD in my left hip.  Not to mention digestive difficulties with the anti-inflammatory meds for my pain.  Anyway, the lists in the Arthritis book are different than my Gatherer foods (of course no wheat or dairy really in either - which is fine).  I guess my question is... is it worth my while and dollars to get the SWAMI Xpress and find an individualized diet for me.  Will it focus enough on joint help?  My specific reason is I refuse to live with chronic joint pain for the rest of my life!  I'm only 55 and just got engaged and life is way too much of a joy to limp (literally) along!   ;)  

PS I'm new...

Thanks for any words of wisdom you might have!!!!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 11:11pm; Reply: 12
Welcome damselwings:

Are you type O?
Do you know your secretor status? (I find this is important in using the Arthritis book)

One approach might be to try the diet in Arthritis: Fight it with the Blood Type Diet for six week and see if that brings your Arthritis under control and meets your other health needs.  If it does not meet your needs than you could invest in SWAMI.

SWAMI has many settings so can be configured to heal joint pain.

If you check other things than it will also address those. Most people do so and their SWAMI diet is less focused on joint issues than the Arthritis book.

Personally the SWAMI diet is great and well worth the expense.

If you take supplements to control arthritis pain, if SWAMI reduce the need for those it would not take long to pay for the product.
Posted by: damselwings, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 12:10am; Reply: 13
Thank you C_sharp.  Yes an O  and I don't know my secretor status.  Since this is a pretty radical lifestyle change to introduce my fiance to... he loves to cook for me... I'd like to have as specific a list of foods as possible for my avoids and super beneficials.  I think I'll invest in the SWAMI and try not to dilute the number of health "problems" I have when filling out the questions.  In general I am healthy besides my joint situation.  

Now I have to deal with the look of dismay on my sweetie's face when he finds out I won't be eating wheat or cheese anymore!  (some of his favorite ingredients of course!)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 12:16am; Reply: 14
SWAMI may give you some cheese, but they will be specific cheese varieties rather than cheese in general.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 5:55am; Reply: 15
If you're going to try the Arthritis book for a while, I think it's important to get your secretor status.  That way you can get the closest target for your specific ailment, for any of the blood type approaches.  Later on, you can always move on up to the SWAMI if you want to.
Posted by: damselwings, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 3:02pm; Reply: 16
Thank you Victoria, I just realized that this morning.  If I am truly committing to this (which has worked so well in the past for my general health and weight loss) it only makes sense to have all the pieces I need.  I will get the secretor test today.  I did order the SWAMI Xpress yesterday.  As C_sharp mentioned, it will pay for itself over time ...

Thanks everyone!    
Posted by: damselwings, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 3:13pm; Reply: 17
My next question is which message board would best help me through the input on the SWAMI.  Of course I need to wait until I have all my information (have typed for the O+, have the kits coming for Secretor and Genotype).  But it seems like some people have come across little "land mines" due to not inputting something correctly or not having settings right.  Where is the best resource to have an accurate initial report?
I am also gathering  ;) that the report will shift as time goes by and I get healthier, or other health issues arise.  It is not a "gatherer" (for example) report, but a "damselwings" report...  Am I understanding this correctly?
Posted by: damselwings, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 3:19pm; Reply: 18
One more!  How do you get a picture on your signature?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 3:57pm; Reply: 19
code that explains how to do this
http://www.dadamo.com/htdocs/blahdocs/helpdoc/bcode.html isn't quite the

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this code give small image size.
images should be a as small as possible   320 x 240
crop you image  no need to show 2/3 of the image being the back ground Crop first, then resize photo bucket now has
Posted by: damselwings, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 4:59pm; Reply: 20
Thank you Lola!
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 7:35pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from damselwings
My next question is which message board would best help me through the input on the SWAMI.   It is not a "gatherer" (for example) report, but a "damselwings" report...  Am I understanding this correctly?


Go to the top left of the page and click on Main Forum Page.  Scroll down to the SWAMI XPress forum.  You can join in other discussions or start your own.  :)

And yes, your SWAMI is a damselwings report.  Don't worry too much about which genotype label it uses for you because it is about you, not the label.
Posted by: 18378 (Guest), Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 11:38am; Reply: 22
Hello, I'm a new member with similar problems.

A wew days ago when I ate a raw groundcherry(cape gooseberry) for the first time in my life, it was just one small groundcherry but it gave me the biggest joint aches of all my life in the following 24 hours.

I've followed blood type diet with few exceptions for a long time and yesterday I calculated that I'm a gatherer genotype and I'll probably change my diet into gatherers' diet in time. I removed cow milk and gluten a long time ago and I removed dairy completely months ago from my diet.

My question is, what do arthritis book or checking arthritis in swami suggest different from the blood type diet or the genotype diet ?

I don't have the arthritis book or swami so I need your help about it.

I guess nightshades really are bad for joints because groundcherry is a nightshade, it's written so in many sites about it and my joint aches have gone in time not eating any of the nightshades since I ate the groundcherry. But maybe there are some different suggestions in the arthritis book or swami for arthritis such as letting a nightshade or restricting other foods and I want to know if it is so.

Thanks
Posted by: Dianne, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 2:35pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from C_Sharp


Checking a lot of other boxes in SWAMI may undo the effect of checking the joint box.

That is because checking the joint check box will cause rating of foods that have a tendency to irritate joints to be reduced in rating and those foods that help reduce joint pain to moved up in ratings.

When you check other boxes the same foods that were lowered in rating because of the joint issue will be shoved up in the ratings cancelling out the affect that joints had on the food rating.

Likewise those foods that were boosted in rating to treat the joint issue may be reduced in rating by some other issue that was checked cancelling out the affect that joints had on the food rating.




C_Sharp : I was shocked when I unchecked several boxes that I have issues with to focus exclusively on digestion and liver. Very interesting because banana got demoted to neutral from diamond and according to Traditional Chinese Medicine, banana is not good for liver congestion, yet SWAMI gave it to me as a diamond and I was eating one a day.  :o. Intuitively, I had began to not eat bananas at certain times when my digestion and liver felt compromised and feel better without it.

I've decided to use SWAMI at this time for these two health problems only. I believe that I will see a much greater improvement in those areas. There were several other major changes. I get nori back, yay as I love making my own sushi & sashimi.

Thank you for this information. I don't think that it mentions this in the GTD book, but this is very crucial I would think. I believe that you are the only one who has brought this important piece of information to our attention. Many thanks for this. I feel more encouraged that the healing can be more efficient and faster now. Do you work with SWAMI pro?  :)

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 3:01pm; Reply: 24
The Arthritis book is a variation of the blood type diet, with special emphasis on reducing joint inflamation. Some foods that are neutral on the regular BTD are avoids on the arthritis book, such as tomatoes. Other foods may be neutral on the regular BTD but become superfoods for arthritis. There really are only a few changes- the "major avoids" (dairy, wheat, potatoes, corn) remain the same.

The Genotype Diet is a completely different system. It uses blood type as one factor in determining your type, not as the only factor. As an O, you could be Explorer, Gatherer, or Hunter. Gatherers might also be blood type B, and Explorers can be any type. The GTD is not tailored for any other kind of individuality- not for specific health issues, not for secretor status, etc. Some of the Gatherer foods in the book might be better for the B Gatherers and not so good for the O Gatherers, or vice versa.

SWAMI is the most individualized plan out there. It combines BTD with GTD and all your own family and personal medical history. Since you're having issues with arthritis, I would suggest either getting a SWAMI or following the Arthritis book. If you're already thinking about incorporating Gatherer foods into your BTD plan, you're probably best off investing in SWAMI.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 3:23pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Dianne
Do you work with SWAMI pro?  



I have both SWAMI Xpress and SWAMI GenoType (pro), but I do not spend much time with wither piece of software since I spend most of my time teaching computer science.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 3:31pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from 18378


I don't have the arthritis book or swami so I need your help about it.



You may want to borrow the arthritis book from a library.

SWAMI is more recent and contains more food listings. For instance, ground cherries are rated in SWAMI and unrated in the Arthritis book.

Since SWAMI is personalized I have no idea what they would rate for you.
Posted by: damselwings, Friday, April 6, 2012, 3:26pm; Reply: 27
Help!  I did order SWAMI Xpress and entered all my data last night at home with one more piece to do here at work this morning before I run it.  My problem is that I left the address to the login site at home.  I have my account number, name and password but forgot that!  And I can't find it here on this site.  Does anyone have it?  I'd love to run my report (emphasizing only the joint issues for now as recommended above).

Thanks!  :D
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, April 6, 2012, 4:18pm; Reply: 28
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