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Posted by: DoS, Sunday, March 4, 2012, 9:10pm
Eating cilantro and harmonia delux helped me get a regular sleep cycle last night. Well most regular, I didn't oversleep so much (even though I was sleeping awful). Also my skin feels better, my mind is clearer, it is doing the things I need. My blood sugar totally stabilized too.

I would like to look at something a bit stronger to really purge myself of this issue I didn't really think I had.

Locally I believe they sell EDTA. I keep reading it can knock your calcium levels way too low. It is best to take a supplement, or get a lot of calcium, iron, magnesium, zinc and selenium; while using the supplement in a specific regimen.

Then there is cilantro extract which I figure isn't probably any stronger than eating it.

Next is DMSA, which seems to be safe. I assume it is still best to get lots of calcium, iron, magnesium, zinc and selenium at the same time. Ideally you wouldn't try to get any alpha lipoic aicd until you had been on it about half a month, but then it would become valuable for aiding detox of the brain.

Thoughts? I can't possibly see a doctor about this, no $.
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, March 4, 2012, 9:56pm; Reply: 1
Is there some reason in particular you are concerned about heavy metals? I think I missed that part of the discussion. The approach would vary greatly depending on what the issue was and how severe it was.

Doing something like DMSA or EDTA when there is no reason to do so is not a course of action I would take for myself.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, March 4, 2012, 10:02pm; Reply: 2
Are you sure you slept well due to "heavy metal detox" and not due to some nutrients found in the cilantro and/or harmonia?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, March 4, 2012, 10:18pm; Reply: 3
I do not know how much of a body load you have from heavy metals.

If you need to detox a lot medical supervision is recommended.




In my experience if the heavy metal burden is significant none of the oral chelation approaches are effective.

One needs a different approach. The most common alternatives are IV chelation and suppositories.

Since you do not want to see a doctor that sort of rules out the IV approach.

The most common brand of suppositories is detoxamin. If you google detoxamin, you will get listing for the other brands of suppositories as well.




Any chelation approach is going to deplete other minerals in the body, so you will need to take mineral supplements while doing chelation therapy.
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, March 4, 2012, 10:30pm; Reply: 4
"Don't want to see a doctor", wrong. I can't see a doctor. The difference is so distinguishable I am not even sure why you replied that.

I have been taking Harmonia delux for months. To date I have only seen little gains with something that have helped cellular health.

The reason I am interested is because I have some nagging issues that nothing, no matter how hard I try, works. The only things I respond to are big doses of cellular stuff. Even when I think something effects me positively, that positive reaction seems to go away after.

Things like SWAMI'd set foods make it so I don't totally collapse, but any of it is far from making me better, by itself. I have taken basically every supplement NAP even has. Being at a standstill leaves me with this decision.

Right now I am just going to keep eating cilantro, while taking what supplements I have for the things it may lower in my system. I got to say though today I walked around a little and it actually felt good for the first time, where as I don't remember the last time it did.
Posted by: Spring, Monday, March 5, 2012, 12:39am; Reply: 5
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I got to say though today I walked around a little and it actually felt good for the first time, where as I don't remember the last time it did.

This is good and so very sad at the same time. You sound just like me a long time ago except mine was systemic candidiasis. Maybe if you started keeping track of all your symptoms by writing them down for several days it would help you figure out what you are trying to deal with. I don't know how long you have been trying to get help or how long you have been on the diet, but it took two years for me to feel that I was truly getting my health back. Of course, I was not on the BTD at that time but on one that was very close except that I was still eating beef. No wheat or dairy, though. No junk foods. No sugary foods. I was taking a lot of supplements.
Posted by: Christopher1, Monday, March 5, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 6
Try and see if you can get something like this done:

http://www.doctorsdata.com/repository.asp?id=31

It's $60, but I'm not sure if you can get it without a doctor's supervision. You could easily afford $60 if you are buying a lot of supplements, and the information would be invaluable. If you are very toxic in lead, for example, your approach would be very different from another metal.

I do recall reading a post some time ago from one of Dr. D's patients who was heavy metal toxic. He was blood type O, and said that Dr. D recommended he eat lots of allium vegetables and exercise daily with saunas. According to the poster, Dr. D told him that his O metabolism would take care of the rest. I don't know anything about blood type A's though.
Posted by: DoS, Monday, March 5, 2012, 2:35am; Reply: 7
Those are my favorite vegetables for flavor... raw garlic makes me feel great.

The funny thing about candida, it often happens after metal toxicity. It can also go away once it is solved. I don't have any big signs of candida in my body. Just usually nothing ever feels good; maybe an intense massage or sitting all day in my apartment doing nothing. Today though it just felt good to walk, I didn't have to have a destination my legs just enjoyed it.

I am not sure how to navigate the PDF to the website, or where on the website to find the 24 hour thing. I sent an e-mail.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 6:02pm; Reply: 8
Dr. D wasn't real fond of the DMSA when I was asking him about it with regard to a challenge test I did.

An acquaintence who was really mercury burdened and has sickle cell anemia recommended colonics to me (a colema board is relatively inexpensive and can be used at home). Found it just in time for some health issues. Also looking to do this...http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Gallbladder-Miracle-Cleanse-All-Natural/dp/1569756066/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331143256&sr=1-1Convinced that it will be KEY for me. A bit more intense than the monthly detox Dr. D recommends, but I think worth it.
Posted by: Christopher1, Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 9:50pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from AKArtlover
Dr. D wasn't real fond of the DMSA when I was asking him about it with regard to a challenge test I did.

An acquaintence who was really mercury burdened and has sickle cell anemia recommended colonics to me (a colema board is relatively inexpensive and can be used at home). Found it just in time for some health issues. Also looking to do this...http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Gallbladder-Miracle-Cleanse-All-Natural/dp/1569756066/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331143256&sr=1-1Convinced that it will be KEY for me. A bit more intense than the monthly detox Dr. D recommends, but I think worth it.


What did Dr. D recommend instead of the DMSA?
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 5:27pm; Reply: 10
He recommended I not worry about it. :) If you are remodelling a house, and rip down the wallpaper, you aren't sure what you are going to find. Trust the body instead of forcing something.

Main things I've learned. You need proper good fats to detox mercury (and to function). Cheletion pesto recipes on this site. Raw apples can give the body an opportunity to carry out heavy metals. Clean the liver and gallbladder. Get fiber so the dirty part of your bile can make it's way out the rear end instead of recycling into a gunky mess. Drink plenty of good clean water, really important for bile consistency. Gastro D (bentonite clay) takes a lot of garbage. Sulfer rich foods are important. Chlorella can be nice. Colonics rock. Juice fasting is a useful tool.

I am going to look into magnetic clay-- basically jazzed up bentonite baths. This is probably overkill, as my level was not "high" and Dr. D has said that he think the tests are very sensitive anyway.
But, I do want the stuff out of my body. The other things I am doing are probably way more important than the metals as far as improving function.

My previous life was generally low fat (not the right fats), not a lot of natural salt in veg, low veg, high carb, low fiber, low water-- and wallah, presently working on some gallstones and a clogged liver and restoring minerals.
Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 7:07pm; Reply: 11
Interesting... I don't see how malic acid carries out heavy metals though. Doesn't make sense chemistry-wise.

I do know malic acid softens stones.

Could you explain further? Great info BTW. I like the house analogy.
Posted by: Christopher1, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 7:44pm; Reply: 12
I am returning my DMSA. Further research and an aching kidney has motivated me to stop.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, March 9, 2012, 3:31pm; Reply: 13
I think it's not the malic acid, but the peeling and pectin giving it something to stick to. Not sure about chemical help, but there may be something...

Dr. D's house analogy-- he's got a lot of good ones. :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 9, 2012, 4:06pm; Reply: 14
Be wary of colonics. They can be useful in specific situations, if your gut is very toxic and you need to get the junk OUT quickly. But then it's important to rebuild the gut after washing everything away.

If you've already been working on healing/building the gut, colonics can wash away all the good germs you've worked so hard to establish.

Colonics can be useful when you're first starting to eat right, but they should NOT need to  be repeated regularly "for maintenance."
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, March 9, 2012, 4:29pm; Reply: 15
Some, I've heard, like to do colonics in spring and fall. I would think it's an individual thing with colonics. Probiotics and prebiotics are important, but the main thing is getting stuck fecal matter out. This is what the bacteria, good or bad, feed on. Not everyone's colon looks like the textbook. It's actually kind of scary what some of them look like. From what I've read, healing and transformation can occur in time, but if someplace isn't quite functioning properly-- it could well get stuck again and breed more junk. It's not a one shot deal, but a series initally. There are probably contraindications and I would encourage people to read up on it if they have concerns.

A colonic is like the weeding portion of gardening. It just depends on how many and what kind of weeds you have. You do have to plant the good stuff and feed it correctly, though. ;)

I kind of think of it as a reboot. Cntrl, Alt, Delete. ;D

I had a series of 6. I glimpsed a point of health where I had complete mental clarity that I have never had in my adult life. I also had a point where every muscle in my body and spine was completely relaxed and mobile- flexibility of a 5 yr old. I was also doing a modified juice fast at the time-- forced into it because my perception is that my spleen and liver were so overworked that they were aching everytime I ate.

I have had two glimpses of total health, physical and mental, Praise GOD! That's what I am going for and praying for going forward.

(pray)(dance)(dove)
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, March 9, 2012, 5:18pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from ruthiegirl
If you've already been working on healing/building the gut, colonics can wash away all the good germs you've worked so hard to establish.


I did not know this. I thought Dr. D liked colonics. I wonder what his opinion is on coffee enemas.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:03pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Christopher1
I did not know this. I thought Dr. D liked colonics. I wonder what his opinion is on coffee enemas.

I hope I'm not putting too many words in Dr. D.'s mouth here, but as a general rule, it is my understanding that he doesn't like anything that messes up the integrity of the gut flora balance.  You work too hard to to establish the proper flora and poof!, in 5 minutes you set yourself back two months.  There has to be a very compelling reason to justify this.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:06pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from ABJoe

I hope I'm not putting too many words in Dr. D.'s mouth here, but as a general rule, it is my understanding that he doesn't like anything that messes up the integrity of the gut flora balance.  You work too hard to to establish the proper flora and poof!, in 5 minutes you set yourself back two months.  There has to be a very compelling reason to justify this.


I listened to an interview with Dr. D a while back. He recommended colonics for a guy with psoriasis.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:09pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Christopher1
I listened to an interview with Dr. D a while back. He recommended colonics for a guy with psoriasis.

It is possible that Dr. D. thought that what was there didn't matter that much or it was one of those compelling reasons...  Each case is different.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:45pm; Reply: 20
He recommended colonics for a specific individual at a specific time in his life, to get the junk out before starting a program of rebuilding the gut. He doesn't recommend colonics for everybody with psoriasis. I don't have the specifics of that case, but I doubt he recomended that individual continue having colonics every few months for the rest of his life. More likely, it was something used in early treatment (even if several colonics were used at that time) and then other methods (probiotics, etc) were used later to maintain gut integrity.
Posted by: Spring, Friday, March 9, 2012, 6:49pm; Reply: 21
I am a living example of being healed without all the colonics, etc., for the intestinal tract. I was only absorbing enough from my food to keep me alive. I had no energy, couldn't think - the whole drill. Now I feel great after eating all my super, duper foods! Wouldn't think of washing all my good bacteria away that I have worked so hard to "grow!" My colonoscopy reports are always great too. BUT when I had the candida overgrowth I think a colonic might have done some good at the very beginning of my treatment. I certainly agree with Ruthiegirl about that.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, March 9, 2012, 7:17pm; Reply: 22
Individuals.
I have a brochure from Dr. D's office which was very helpful when I started looking into it.

Colonics do not reach into the small intestine (unless your ileocecal valve is stuck open and you have a bigger issue then). There are different good bacteria that thrive in the stomach, small intestines, and large intestines.

Generally, I think there is emotional fear or distaste for a lot of folks around the idea of it. I was fearful at first.

I trust my body to let me know what I need. My first experience wasn't all that great, but my body indeed was calling for it even after the experience. Unfortunately, it took a little crisis for me to take action again. I am taking the opportunity to replant the good stuff (which was likely either never established well or killed by tons of childhood antibiotics). You also have to think about what is able to fester if you are going to clean it all up? The real important thing that these guys do is to help clean up stuff. They synthesize some B vitamins, and some of the good guys do things like help us finish digesting dairy. The bad guys do similar, but they throw off toxins while they do their work which sometimes goes back into our system and round and round creating a more and more toxic state. The good guys can sometimes throw off things that can help keep the baddies in control. If we eliminate the goodies and the baddies in equal proportion and add some more (perhaps even more focused) goodies, I would think-- easy peasy.  :)

A great opportunity for me to add great probiotics with a cleaner slate (less competition). If a good portion of the colon is blocked where you are supposed to absorb good stuff like minerals or you are holding toxins/baddies in old poo which isn't being moved or touched by the supps you are throwing down there- the probiotic beneficials are less of a big deal.

Not getting into yeast issues even.

If your health is lingering and you have been "eating right" for awhile and doing the probiotics/digestive protocol and are still having gut issues-- it's something to research. Search it on amazon and read a little. I've read about 4 books on it and it's discussed pretty throughly in a 5th and 6th I just finished.

I took a leap based on two people telling me about the positives that they had experienced and then researched it after. Kind of not my usual style, but I thought I would jump in the pool first and figure it out later. Otherwise, I probably would have procrastinated it because of having such painful digestive stuff for such a long time.

Something else I've learned-- you can go regularly everyday, even more than once, and still be constipated.

Something else I've learned-- gut issues are definitely not just about the gut-- autoimmune, liver issues, etc- nothing is in isolation and everything is affected by what goes on in that tube. :)



Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, March 9, 2012, 7:41pm; Reply: 23
Anyone curious might be particularly interested in some of Jensen's work. There was a point in time before the whole germ theory came about with antibiotics when mainstream medicine (AMA) embraced colon cleansing/enemas and they also knew a little something about the bowel flora. Great (or great great) grandma knew that most acute illnesses could be helped with an enema.
Interesting stuff. Lots more detail to it. But it's funny that the very thing that was supposed to cure everything (antibiotics) ended up messing more of us up by over-prescription (and still continues to).

There are studies of flora makeup that go back to the turn of the 20th century! Dr. Edward Bach talks about some of it in one of his books, too. I read this older stuff with a filter and assumption that more has been learned, but some of the best stuff can be found in the old stuff.  ;)

I like the philosphy of doing what is appropriate at the time.

Now the real question is- why have I spent all this time today writing about poo?  ;D

Like to help, but need to get to other stuff. Interesting thread.







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