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Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Monday, February 27, 2012, 9:34pm
I have hands and feet that are often really cold in reasonably mild temperature. They hurt if I'm exposed to winter weather, even gloves only help a little bit. What could this be? I've had a friend tell me it might be Raynauds.
Posted by: Lin, Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:16pm; Reply: 1
I have same problem.  The acupuncturist tells me it is circulation, and yes if you feel pain it can be Raynauds.  Warming foods, the right clothing (scarf around neck etc.), Exercise to get blood moving all help.  
If anyone else has further ideas I'd be interested too.
Lin
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:37pm; Reply: 2
That's what I thought as well, bad circulation. I did mention it to a doctor once and they didn't seem too concerned.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:41pm; Reply: 3
Rachel do you have plans to have secretor test?

Thyroid problems can also  cause this.
Posted by: Lin, Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:41pm; Reply: 4
Probably very low down their list of things to worry about, especially as you are young.
Posted by: DoS, Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:50pm; Reply: 5
Do you get very many Omega 3's? My circulation recently has become much better with making sure to really stay up on Omega 3's (fish, and flax), choline, and Attentia. I think my skin always had poor circulation but Attentia is changing that. My mind is a bit more calm too.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:50pm; Reply: 6
http://thyroid.about.com/od/relatedconditions1/a/raynauds.htm

Not really--- :-/
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Monday, February 27, 2012, 10:59pm; Reply: 7
Secretor test will come eventually. Right now I'm focusing on the basics. Just scheduled to give blood a week from today to make sure I'm type A (it was an educated guess more or less). I've wondered about hypothyroidism. Trying to incorporate more fish into my diet, I may have some tonight.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 2:28am; Reply: 8
great step forward!
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 3:38am; Reply: 9
Quoted from 16796
Secretor test will come eventually. Right now I'm focusing on the basics. Just scheduled to give blood a week from today to make sure I'm type A (it was an educated guess more or less). I've wondered about hypothyroidism. Trying to incorporate more fish into my diet, I may have some tonight.


Wait, we don't know you are a Type A? That could change everything.
Posted by: Tom Martens, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 4:04am; Reply: 10
If I don't keep my thighs or core warm enough, my fingers can get real cold and actually lose circulation to the point it hurts.
Posted by: gardengirl, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 2:16pm; Reply: 11
When I am super strict with my diet it goes away for me. I would pile on sweaters, run my hands under hot water, that would help for a bit but my icy feet and hands would return. I also would get purple knuckles. Strict adherence is essential for me, unfortunately. Yeah, finding out your definite blood type will help.
My friend has Reynauds (diagnosed with doctor) and they don't exhibit any concern towards it whatsoever. Personally, I don't even tell the doctors my health problems anymore. Yay for me though, as there really isn't much to report these past few months as my diet is taking care of my health concerns.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 7:37pm; Reply: 12
DoS- No, I don't know for sure that I'm type A. Just everything seems to point to me being one. Excess mucus, body type typical of a Teacher, high levels of stress, strenuous exercise making me feel crappy, etc. My dads a type A and I'm very similar to him. Of course it could all just be in my head but that's what I feel. My moms a type O and I'd be more than happy to be able to eat meat again. And tomatoes
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 7:53pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from 16796
DoS- No, I don't know for sure that I'm type A. Just everything seems to point to me being one. Excess mucus, body type typical of a Teacher, high levels of stress, strenuous exercise making me feel crappy, etc. My dads a type A and I'm very similar to him. Of course it could all just be in my head but that's what I feel. My moms a type O and I'd be more than happy to be able to eat meat again. And tomatoes


My mother is AB+ secretor, and father is A- (almost 100% sure nonnie). I came out A-, you never know. When I first read descriptions of GTD's I thought I fit hunter.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 7:57pm; Reply: 14
I'm pretty anxious to get my blood test done at the red cross. I tried two eldoncards at home and managed to mess both of them up :'(
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 8:42pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from 16796
I'm pretty anxious to get my blood test done at the red cross. I tried two eldoncards at home and managed to mess both of them up :'(


Thick blood issues with them?
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 8:52pm; Reply: 16
I just got really nervous when doing the test and I guess I mixed it improperly? See my previous post here

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1327309165/s-2/#num2
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 8:54pm; Reply: 17
Actually when I went to a specialist to have a bump removed from my nose I bled a LOT. That's one thing that made me start questioning my type since O's have thin blood and my mom had told me that she nearly bled to death after having my brother
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:25pm; Reply: 18
Right... I would of guessed Type O from the Eldon card, but do it real proper to make sure.

What do you look like? Sometimes it is super obvious what GTD a person is, but unfortunately it isn't that reliable most the time.
Posted by: 16796 (Guest), Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:30pm; Reply: 19
Do you have facebook? I can friend you on there
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:46pm; Reply: 20
Lin and Rachel,
I have had cold hands and feet all of my adult life!
It snowed here last night and was windy today... I went out to make a snowball and holding the snow too long actually hurts my fingers.
Many people I know say they cannot stand wearing socks to bed...I absolutely have to in the winter and late Autumn!
One of my old neighbors had Raynauds and 4 finger amputations to the first or second knuckle. I don't think thats what this is. I believe its poor circulation, also.(Even though I exercise, wear gloves/warm socks, eat warm foods)
Thick blooded A's, perhaps?
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:57pm; Reply: 21
I don't think she is a Teacher at all given her eldon card from another post, what she looks like, and what she use to eat.
Posted by: Lin, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 11:57pm; Reply: 22
Cajun,
Definitely does seem like us A blood types have a "coldness issue". The acupuncturist I go to tells me her husband has the same body type, and that some of us just have bodies that tend to run colder/damp etc.  I'm learning some foods do seem to warm up the core of the body better than others.
Ditto on the socks in bed!

Rachel,
Yes you do sound like A blood, but good to confirm.  Red Cross?
I used to have horrible mucus with colds, after going gluten/dairy free this problem went away. On your other post on thyroid, I just responded about adrenals (stress issue).
Lin
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, March 1, 2012, 12:46am; Reply: 23
I also have very cold hands and feet, but hands especially. Whatever the reason, it seems to be out of my control since I am eating and exercising as I should be. It's actually quite annoying and sometimes I can freak someone out by touching them with my hand. I have no thryroid issues but suffer from very dry and cracked hands as well.
Posted by: cajun, Saturday, March 3, 2012, 8:50pm; Reply: 24
Wholefoodie,
Just like you, I shock everyone with my freezing cold hands! They will dry and crack easily so I use superglue.. :P..I know, yucky, but its the only way to stop the annoying pain. :-/
My thyroid is fine, I exercise regularly, follow swami with about 90% compliance, yet still have cold hands and feet...mostly in winter but can be year round.
How else can one get circulation going?
Lin, tell us about the warming foods, please? I already drink hot tea and eat hot soup year round.  
Posted by: Lin, Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 10:09pm; Reply: 25
Cajun,
Basically the idea is to eat mostly warm/hot foods and drinks.
Minimize salads and when you eat cold food sip hot green tea.  And using warming spices such as ginger, fennel, and fenugreek.  I think I've noticed also getting the right balance of protein vs carbs helps also to fire up the engine.
I find Dandelion Tea more warming than regular tea for some reason.  Could be it is stirring up, cleaning out the liver.
Lin
Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 11:16pm; Reply: 26
Thanks, Lin!
I eat a cold salad daily and drink my homemade sun tea (iced) daily! So.....
I also drink hot tea morning to night.....can we drink too much?  ??)
I make homemade soup weekly and use ginger and fennel but probably could re-evaluate my protein/carb ratio. ;)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 12:14am; Reply: 27
Quoted from cajun
I shock everyone with my freezing cold hands! They will dry and crack easily so I use superglue.. :P..I know, yucky, but its the only way to stop the annoying pain. :-/
Sorry to go off topic slightly, but how does superglue work?? :o

& while slightly off topic I get slightly cold hands & feet which I put down to poor circulation too, but I also get an incredibly cold back of all things...Long after my hands & feet are warm in bed, my mid to upper back area will still keep me awake on a cold night?! I sometimes have to get my husband to rub my back very hard, before I can get to sleep...;)
Posted by: Serenity, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 12:58am; Reply: 28
I used to have toes like icicles, a few would actually go white and completely numb (very annoying and worrying) middle right finger would also.  My feet would swell in summer if standing too long and I could never really sweat enough to get cool, skin was dry and flakey all year and the most painful spontaneous cracks in fingers around or under the nails which would bleed and not heal properly for weeks  :'(
I never get any of those symptoms now, what worked for me was using a far infrared sauna, helps sweat, I dry brush first which gets the lymph circulating, I can now sweat freely when exercising and my skin which has been a problem all my life never has eczema, thickening, cracking or itchy dry spots even though now I live in a much colder climate.  some gyms & detox clinics hire them, lots of other health benefits too, if you can I would definately try it, do a search online to check out health benefits (oh and it is so relaxing & burns kjs like a half hour walk)
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 1:05am; Reply: 29
Quoted from cajun
They will dry and crack easily so I use superglue..

Have you tried rubbing more oil into them?  Whenever my hands get dry, I rub some coconut oil into them.  I also try to include more oils or oily foods into my diet to help maintain the moisture in the skin.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, March 8, 2012, 1:48am; Reply: 30
Many people use Rosemary for this sort of circulatory problem.
Essential oil of rosemary can be extended with a carrier oil such as sweet almond, apricot kernel, or whatever you typically use, and rubbed into the parts that tend to feel cold.
Others use internal applications of rosemary, but you'd have to look into that yourselves.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, March 9, 2012, 1:34am; Reply: 31
I have been using coconut oil (Trader Joe's organic)on my skin for 2 weeks and love it.
I forget to use my gloves sometimes with dishes and the hose outside(its always windy here) so I usually get this condition in the winter. Its the air that causes the pain so I just drop a bit of superglue on the crack, it drys and peels off in a couple of days...long enough for the skin to heal.
I eat olive oil daily, oil pull with almond/ grapeseed/ or coconut oil, eat ghee about 5x a week, eat too much peanut and almond butter, and use almond oil in the shower.
I dry brush before showering, use a pumice stone on my feet and get pedicures about once a month. I tried years ago and was never able to keep acrylic nails on (now I am glad) due to being rough/working with my hands. It seems my hands are always in water, dirt, plants, trees, cooking, cleaning or on my dogs... :-/ :) 8)
Posted by: zenphoenix, Friday, March 9, 2012, 1:43am; Reply: 32
Quoted from 16796
Actually when I went to a specialist to have a bump removed from my nose I bled a LOT. That's one thing that made me start questioning my type since O's have thin blood and my mom had told me that she nearly bled to death after having my brother



looking at your card, i would have said O-

excessive bleeding like that is very O. A's don't have thin blood at all!
Posted by: zenphoenix, Friday, March 9, 2012, 1:54am; Reply: 33
back on topic... i have reynaud's phenomoneon... my hands and feet (especially my hands) get cold so easily, and the fingertips start to hurt. I have to be careful when handling items from the freezer and fridge, it can trigger a very painful episode. I also have naturally low blood pressure, which does not help.

i have found that if i try to stay warm all over (scarves are helpful, and sweaters, wool socks etc) that helps. I also monitor my salt intake. When i start having more frequent bouts i increase my sea salt.

Hot Carob with blackstrap molasses at night helps. So does marrow soup broth. I also use licorice and dandelion teas those make a big difference. Getting enough protein - spaced throughout the day - is really important.

Exercise and visulization are also important for me. When i am super out of balance, arginine, ginko biloba and ginseng will put me on track.

As you can see, my "treatments" are geared very much towards my B-ness and explorerness.

I honestly think reynauds and similar are less BT specific and more genotype specific. Most explorers I know have reynauds or at  minimum cold hands and feet... regardless of BT.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, March 9, 2012, 2:13am; Reply: 34
zen,
Another one of my "explorer" tendencies! ;) thank you! I have a number of them even though I am "technically" a teacher. 8)
Posted by: Possum, Friday, March 9, 2012, 2:14am; Reply: 35
Quoted from cajun
I have been using coconut oil (Trader Joe's organic)on my skin for 2 weeks and love it.
I forget to use my gloves sometimes with dishes and the hose outside(its always windy here) so I usually get this condition in the winter. Its the air that causes the pain so I just drop a bit of superglue on the crack, it drys and peels off in a couple of days...long enough for the skin to heal.
I eat olive oil daily, oil pull with almond/ grapeseed/ or coconut oil, eat ghee about 5x a week, eat too much peanut and almond butter, and use almond oil in the shower.
I dry brush before showering, use a pumice stone on my feet and get pedicures about once a month. I tried years ago and was never able to keep acrylic nails on (now I am glad) due to being rough/working with my hands. It seems my hands are always in water, dirt, plants, trees, cooking, cleaning or on my dogs... :-/ :) 8)
I guess I can understand your approach... :-/ But I'd be concerned re what is in the superglue - chemical wise??!! You certainly seem to be eating enough good fats/oils...Do you think with all that olive oil & nuts you could have a salicylate problem? My skin seems to peel only if I overdo the sals... ??) ;)

Posted by: cajun, Friday, March 9, 2012, 11:35pm; Reply: 36
Possum,
I guess I never thought about the salicylates. What happens exactly and how does one know? ??)
Yes, I do think about the superglue chamicals, however, when it hurts to just have the air hit it and a bandaid won't stay on....I only use a drop or 2 and its usually healed enough in a day or 2 that I can peel it off. If its not too bad I try and battle a bandaid but otherwise..... :-/ I've only treated 3 fingers this winter so far. I am constantly applying oils(almond/coconut) and creams (shea/lavender)to my hands.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, March 10, 2012, 1:00am; Reply: 37
Cajun I don't want to hijack this thread but I guess it might help others to post here?! Btw I find regular bandaids cause me problems (something to do with latex I think??)

I know about salicylates just from painstaking research... ::)

I used to get cracks & dry skin a lot (as does/did my Mum - she had rough crocodile skin on her hands) I now know from bad experiences with them that certain oils/creams on my skin would just open up the dry cracks even more & even make them weep & ooze ::) which is why I mentioned about the salicylate problem...

Lavender, coconut & almond oil (among heaps of other stuff, even calendula oil/cream) will exacerbate the problem for some people...as will using liquid soap with salicylates in it...I seem to be able to tolerate something called amolin cream which is almond oil based but I'm not sure why or how as most almond stuff bothers me :-/ As I said, olive oil is very high in "sals"

I got/get most of my information from a wonderfully helpful friendly Salycilate Sensitive forum... if you google that you should find it...;) Goodluck (Btw I am Possum on there too)
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, March 12, 2012, 6:55pm; Reply: 38
What about your omega 3/6 ratio?  Are you all getting your essential fatty acids?
Posted by: Spring, Monday, March 12, 2012, 8:32pm; Reply: 39
Hydroquinone, Ethyl 2-cyanoacrylate, and Polymethyl methacrylate are the basic ingredients that are found in all brands of super glue.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Thursday, March 15, 2012, 2:59pm; Reply: 40
Someone posted another thread earlier on about lipase and gluten sensitivity.  I think there's good info in there about fat absorption and type O's need to stay off the wheat.  Don't type A'salso?  Anyway, looking at the Eldon card, I'd say Rachel is O positive.  The third circle agglutinated, if she was O negative they would all look the same, no agglutination.
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, March 18, 2012, 12:45am; Reply: 41
Thanks Possum! ;)
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Monday, March 19, 2012, 5:39pm; Reply: 42
It might be your thyroid.  I have a similar issue & am working towards acclimating to cold.  Google cold thermogenesis.
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