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Posted by: mortless, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 7:18pm
Hello,

I am glad to join GenoType community and would like to say HELLO+ to you all:)

I've been just lately inspired by Geno Type Diet, previously following Blood Type Diet with pretty good results for myself and friends. Some of my "pain" symptoms still persist though, so I've found a good reasoning behind geno-types.

And here comes the problem, I'm not certain which GenoType I belong ( most popular topic, sorry for that ;)

Here's the story:

Trying to determine my Genotype I am stuck with my fingers between HUNTER, GATHERER and EXPLORER (one option if non-secretor). From Type description I'm thorn between Hunter and Explorer, having Gatherer as a contingency:)

Everything depends on finger measurement!

The idea of finger length is about exposure to hormones during pregnancy, right?
So to my understanding we should be looking at whole length of the fingers. Measuring on the palm side from the crease to tip can be misleading.

This is what I'm getting:

Using GenoType Diet book method (between fingers) - Gatherer
Left H: Index = Ring,
Right H: Index > Ring (1-2mm)

Using crease to tip method - Explorer/Hunter
Left H: Index < Ring (1-2mm)
Right H: Index > Ring (1-2mm)

Measuring Full length along outside of the hand Ring fingers are longer - Hunter

I don't know my secretor status.

Any discussion about fingers measurement, thoughts?
Please advice

Regards,
Michael


In case someone likes investigations:

- I'm O Rh +, my mother A+, father B+ :)
- Torso longer than Legs
- Upper leg longer than lower
- Fingerprints (loops) on all fingers (index fingers slightly different shape and only right hand ring finger pattern is towards thumb)
- large opening between legs (andric)
- small head but proportions over 80 (brachycephalic)
- Gonial angle around 130 -135 deg (almond/oval face)
- Extra cusp on molar and shovel shape incisors
- Ideal waist to hip ratio
- I'm relatively short 5'5" but proportional, body type muscular - lanky


Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 7:49pm; Reply: 1
Don't measure along the pinky (outside) side of the ring fingers.  
Measure either along each finger along the side facing the middle finger, or on the palm side from crease to tip.
Posted by: mortless, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:16pm; Reply: 2
And that's what I'm pointing out, getting different results using both methods you mentioned. :) And which one is correct?
I believe no of above is exactly measuring whole length of the finger.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 9:09pm; Reply: 3
follow this method
the palms up method best
http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 9:34pm; Reply: 4
I liked the palm up method best.
My Index and Ring fingers are almost the same length and the web between the fingers made it more difficult to measure between fingers.
Lin
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 11:11pm; Reply: 5
People who have a lot of 'webbing' get more consistent results using the 'palm up' method.
Posted by: mortless, Friday, February 24, 2012, 7:07am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Lin
I liked the palm up method best.
My Index and Ring fingers are almost the same length and the web between the fingers made it more difficult to measure between fingers.
Lin


Exactly, when there is a small difference between D2 and D4 it may be very tricky to determine whichever is longer.

Let's say someone is looking at his/her hand and notice they are almost the same length, ring seems to be a little bit longer though. You take measurement palm up and result is that index is longer. You look at you hand again palm down, foding your fingers, alining them paraller, measure along the top, trying all reasonambe alignments and no how index can be longer, same length at the best.
Now, you follow palm up method with index being longer, it puts you into getherer GT, but actually your ring fingers are longer, so your genetic, and you should be hunter.

What I was trying to discuss is wheater palm up method is the one determining your genotype regardless your finger full length. Sure, it is the most consistent method, however may not reflect your genetic finger length relation.

So, what matters, which finger is actually longer or which is longer with palm up method?
Posted by: yvonneb, Friday, February 24, 2012, 8:43pm; Reply: 7
Hi mortless,

I've been where you are now :)
Ended up getting calipers and even then the measurements were not totally conclusive. Since a tie made me a gatherer I went with that diet and didn't do well on it- nothing concrete, just not feeling sharp and alert and strong.

Got Swami and guess what...finger length all of a sudden didn't matter. Either way it made me a hunter!

So there is two options for you...get SWAMI or try out the three diets and see how you do.

I don't think there is a totally 'foolproof' way of measuring a body that accurately, since the moment you touch skin the tape can move.

Sorry I can't give you a quick fix  :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:05pm; Reply: 8
I first learned about the 'palm up' method from Dr. Natalie C., who used to be part of Dr. D's clinic and that's what she used.  So that method has Dr. D's ok.  :)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 1:26am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Dr. D
...with a small millimeter based ruler (and even the ones in the states have mm on one side), almost everyone was accurate within 2-3 millimeters.

Carried over, a D2 and D4 (each within a scope of +/- 2 millimeters) should do just fine. Other issues (like webbing) while not unimportant, were not seen as non-starters as long as the person did not separate the fingers in a wide, clonic or 'rigid' manner, and even then if they used the same technique (even an incorrect one) on both fingers, the results were still  pretty accurate.

Also, in evaluating the results from the clinic studies it was easy to see why ties (or even close neck and neck issues) should go to the index finger. True androgenic types have way longer ring fingers; a distinction often obvious enough to preclude a  any need for measurement whatsoever. My personal take on this is that while there are thousands of estrogenizing xenobiotics (man made chemicals) in the environment, there are not too many xenobiotic androgens in the environment. Again, pure supposition, but I feel that rather than lengthening D2, these estrogenizing xenobiotics shorten or stunt D4.

In English subtitles:

In doing the measurements, it is more important to be consistent than accurate. If you are accurate you can be right for the right reason. If you are consistent, you can not only be right for the right reason, you can be right for the wrong reason as well.

Posted by: mortless, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 7:38am; Reply: 10
Oh yeah! This is an conclusive answer:) Thanks C_sharp!
Posted by: yvonneb, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 7:05pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from mortless
Oh yeah! This is an conclusive answer:) Thanks C_sharp!


Where is the 'like' button??  ;D

Great answer C_sharp!  :)
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