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Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 20, 2012, 7:21pm
long time.  I was concerned about it being too High Glycemic.  I have yet to figure that out.  But, I will tell you this, when I woke up this morning, I had a bunch of energy.  Moreso than other days.  That might be completely coincidental.  Or, it could've been the yummy venison and peas and lettuce I had for dinner.  Or the yummy peaches after that.  Or none of the above.

But they good thing is it seemed to not hurt me.  I will say this, it wasn't as filling as brown rice of the same amount.  I would've had to eat more to get the same filling.  And maybe I will next time.  But it still was "fulfilling".  Meaning I wasn't hungry right away.  It tasted good too.  It was white basmati from Lundbergs.  I buy a lot of their rice.  It seems like it's good quality.  I have some other long grain white I'll try some other time too.  Just some run of the mill organic stuff.  Nature's promise.  

What's my point?  I don't know.  I like sharing my experiences.  Some of the healthy people will say white isn't as good for you.  My chiro told me this.  My swami says it's a diamond.  And then my sister's son's autism doctor says white digests easier.  

What's the truth?  I don't know.  But it seemed OK for me.  At least from the first blush.  

How does it do for you all?  Thank you for listening.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, February 20, 2012, 7:39pm; Reply: 1
SWAMI is smarter than chiropractors and your chiro probably isn't thinking about your SWAMI
and probably doesn't know about the GTD....Glad a diamond food gave you energy, JJR...The glycemic index isn't discussed in the GTD book, so I never thought about diamonds being bad for anyone nor would I override my SWAMI with information Dr. D wasn't using..--- It's portions for each food group that matters most!  If white rice was truly bad for everyone, Asians would have never survived the human race.

I guess your point is that you benefitted from eating a diamond food. That's the experience we
all should be having. :)
Posted by: yvonneb, Monday, February 20, 2012, 7:43pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from JJR

Some of the healthy people will say white isn't as good for you.  My chiro told me this.  My swami says it's a diamond.  And then my sister's son's autism doctor says white digests easier.  

What's the truth?  I don't know.  But it seemed OK for me.  At least from the first blush.  

How does it do for you all?  


The healthy people are right.
What does the SWAMI say about brown rice? If only white is a diamond, I'd eat that (because I trust SWAMI) but stick strictly to the lower end of the portion side, because the healthy people are right :)
Your sister's son's autism doctor is right if you define 'easy' as 'faster and hence less work for the body'. If you have no digestive or stomach issues I'd choose the brown over the white if it is rated the same in SWAMI.

White also seems ok for me (but I do eat very little and only sometimes), but I know it's not as good for me.
White basmati is the Queen of all the rices, maybe that is why you felt so good!

Just for the fun of it, try this (it worked for me): Assuming you'll want to cook 1 cup of rice (dry)...take 1/3 cup of brown basmati and boil up with 2 and 1/2 cups of water (enough water for 1 cup of rice), let simmer on really really low heat, After 10 min add 2/3 cup of white basmati and let simmer until all the water has been absorbed.

The idea is to have a 1/3 to 2/3 mix of rice, both cooked to perfection.  And because the brown takes longer, you start cooking it first. That way you have enough of the niceness of the white with some (which is better than nothing) goodness of the brown!  ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, February 20, 2012, 8:01pm; Reply: 3
JJ,

I think the operative phrase in what you wrote is: "good for you"...  Most advice is stated as one size fits all, so is to be taken with a grain of salt.  I understand the logic behind "Brown rice is better - as it is more whole, has the fiber and nutrients that are stripped away to make the white rice, etc...

Whether that is good for you depends on many things, though.  One of which is, "How much digestive energy do you have?".  It is possible that right now, it is more important for you to have a very good source of beneficial carbohydrates that are more easily accessible than having to digest the brown rice...  As long as the white rice is a diamond food, I'd have no hesitation in eating it.

I'm glad you felt better this morning.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 20, 2012, 8:37pm; Reply: 4
Well, I've eaten plenty of brown rice over the last, well, long time and I can tell it's good for me also.  And some mornings I wake up with a good amount of energy after eating oats or rice or whatever.  I was just more or less noticing that it did seem to be fine.  And yeah, in fact it may have even been good to the point that it gave me some energy in a source my body liked and has not gotten in the recent past.  Whether it was "better" than brown, I know not.  My plan is to incorporate white on my rotation of grains.  I've been eating brown rices and basmati's and then oatmeal every day.  You know, going back between the two.  So, I'll throw white in there on a regular basis and see how it does.  I'm just glad it didn't make me feel awful.  I do think it's possible it gave me some more useable energy quicker than the brown.  But I also know there are nutrients in brown that aren't in white.  

It's more about having more choices of good foods for me.  I had gotten to the point where I avoided so many things thinking they mess with me.   White rice really wasn't one of them, but I had gotten in the habit of sticking with brown.  And maybe I bought into the "brown is better" mantra.  And maybe it is.  But for me, maybe it isn't.  I agree with Joe, it's all individuality.

And yeah, Brown is a diamond also.  But white is a diamond.  So, it leads me to believe that there is no reason why I should always choose brown over white.  What's nice is white cooks up quicker and if I'm on some kind of time constraint, white will be another quicker option, other than oats.  Also, the white basmati I have actually has more calories than the short grain and long grain brown I get.  Which for me is good.  I probably could've eaten more and gotten more calories last night, but I didn't want to overdue it the first time I ate it.   But I ate 1/2 cup dry.  It wasn't as filling as when I eat a 1/2 cup dry of brown.  
Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, February 20, 2012, 10:22pm; Reply: 5
My father, an O+ hunter, has serious digestion problems. He is not 100% compliant but finds that sweet rice (glutinous rice) digests even better than white rice. He can't do brown rice at all because it is so tough on his stomach. Glutinous rice (aka mochiko) is available at most American chain grocery stores. It has a gummy texture and quite flavorless. You can bake breads and dessert squares with them. I am going to see if I can mix it up with an egg and make a crepe/wrap for my sandwich.

I wish you well on getting to know your rice better! I prefer brown rice because I never liked the taste of "boring, plain, white rice" (which is how it is typically served in Asian households). LOL. My "White" friends taught me how to pour salad dressing over my plain rice. ;D These days, lemon juice and olive oil with a bit of salt on white rice is good. Brown rice, I can eat it plain... I stayed away from white rice because of the glycemic index... esp. when I was trying to keep the candida under control.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, February 20, 2012, 10:50pm; Reply: 6
Perhaps you could try soaking the white rice to aid digestion even more. This might also be a strategy you could consider for brown rice too.


rinse to infinity and beyond;) then soak in cool filtered water for 24 hours or more, changing the water every 8- 12 hours.

then either just use it as you normally would or let in germinate by draining it and leaving for further sets of 8-12 hours rinsing thoroughly in between to ensure no mould.


results shorter cooking times, easier digestion and much more nutrients into the bargain.
works a treat for M.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 12:42am; Reply: 7
Quoted from passionprincess
My father, an O+ hunter, has serious digestion problems. He is not 100% compliant but finds that sweet rice (glutinous rice) digests even better than white rice. He can't do brown rice at all because it is so tough on his stomach.
Would that be sushi rice? Apparently it is low oxalate which could be why it digests better  ;)JJR the low oxalate factor is also why autistics do better on it too...

I grew upon brown rice & just love the taste (one of my fave desserts/breakfsts - hec any meal, could easily be brown rice with a knob of butter) but I find with any rice I gain...but haven't tried sushi rice yet... :-/

Good tip PC about the rinsing & soaking...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 1:15am; Reply: 8
That's great that you felt good the next morning and that tells a lot!  ;)

I think white basmati is an awesome food.  As a person with a delicate digestion, I do much better with white basmati than any kind of brown rice, even if brown contains more nutrients.  I don't eat rice often anymore, but if and when I do, I rinse it very well in a strainer under cold running water.

Someone shared on the forum once upon a time that basmati is a slightly different grain than 'regular' rice and is easier on the blood sugar.  Anyone remember what that was about?
Posted by: Dianne, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 3:47am; Reply: 9
I get white rice as a diamond and eat it a couple of times per week, ,more if my tummy feels delicate. Great with a ton of steamed veggies and ghee. Does not affect my blood sugar at all if eaten as per my SWAMI recommendations.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 3:53am; Reply: 10
I haven't read through all these posts but I would like to add that the fiber in brown rice may inhibit some absorption of minerals, whereas white rice will not do this.  I love to make risotto, and find that the little bit of fiber in arborio rice still makes things "move" for me.  White rice is also a diamond for me.  My gut seems sensitive to many fibrous grains, like quinoa, which I love, but white rice seems more soothing and filling in a good way.  I dont bloat up from it at all after eating it.  Now quinoa for me is a superfood, but not a diamond as is white rice.  I am glad it made you feel good! :)
Posted by: Marc121, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 4:46am; Reply: 11
I eat white rice every meal.
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 5:03am; Reply: 12
White rice is a diamond for me, too, and I was shocked to see that. But there is no doubt in my mind that Dr. D. is onto something here. I have not eaten any in a long time, but I might feel better than I do eating brown rice. For some reason I just don't love brown rice like I used to even though I have eaten a LOT of it in my lifetime. I might not enjoy white rice any better, but I might try it simply to see... Basmati is the best of them to me too.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 6:15am; Reply: 13
Policy Checker, I used to soak all of my grains. And nuts too.  For over 2 years I did this.  I'm taking a break from doing it.  I understand it's supposed to be better.  But this year really gave me a catalyst for change in how lousy I was feeling.  And even though it goes against what SHOULD be, I stopped doing it to see if it is really making any difference.  At this point it's hard for me to know.  Because ever since I stopped soaking and eating fermented foods, I've gotten better.  Now, I think it has to do more with my body being in a building mode and is just taking a break from killing things.  I'd gotten so light, and so weak, I think I need this.  And I think soaking has a tenancy to introduce bacteria, albeit good bacteria hopefully, that was overwhelming my detox system from killing bad stuff.  I had eaten quinoa for a long time, and then I just couldn't do it any longer. It made me feel awful.  I hadn't tried quinoa yet lately without soaking.  

This much I know, my stomach is working better now than it has in years.  But I think it's because I DID do the soaking and fermented foods and lots of killing for the couple of years that I did.  

As far as the white rice goes, I actually had no idea that it might actually be better.  Or that it could make my body react better.  But it does make sense that it would be easier to digest.  For what it's worth, long grain brown seems to go down real easy too.  But that's in the upper GI.  I really don't know what these things do in the lower GI, other than the fact that I've been regular lately and all that has been fine. But long grain brown seems to invoke some kind of hungriness a lot quicker than when I eat any other grain.  Short grain brown is more heavy.  But has been going down well too as of lately.  I also had this Texmati and the last time I ate it, I couldn't believe how strong of a flavor it had and it was like nothing else.  It kind of weirded me out because I wasn't sure if I did something wrong with it.  It had such a bold flavor.  It was much different than the basmati I've had in the past.  Either that or my tastebuds were just strange that night.  Which can happen too.

Marc, what's your favorite kind of white rice?  And are you serious?  Every meal?  
Posted by: passionprincess, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 7:43am; Reply: 14
Glutinous or sweet rice is sticky white rice. It is commonly seen as mango rice dessert at Thai restaurants. Koreans make a crepeish pancakeish thing with it. They fill it with red bean and other stuff. I prefer green tea butter cream or chocolate. ;D Or, I just like it plain with a tiny bit of agave. If I do not want it sweetened, I prefer to have a bit of sea salt on it.

It has a gummy, chewy consistency. You can buy plain ones at Whole Foods known as "mochi wrappers". I prefer to make my own dough with sweet rice flour (mochiko), sea salt, and water.

Quoted from Possum
Would that be sushi rice? Apparently it is low oxalate which could be why it digests better  ;)JJR the low oxalate factor is also why autistics do better on it too...

I grew upon brown rice & just love the taste (one of my fave desserts/breakfsts - hec any meal, could easily be brown rice with a knob of butter) but I find with any rice I gain...but haven't tried sushi rice yet... :-/

Good tip PC about the rinsing & soaking...


Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 7:56am; Reply: 15
Basmati rice is the lowest in glyx... ;) :D.....I love it.....(drool)
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 8:42pm; Reply: 16
I like brown basmati too.  Isa, I mean Amazone, do you eat the white basmati?
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 8:44pm; Reply: 17
I only know about white basmati... brown rice here is so called*full-corn-rice and too heavy for me as being a nonnie...(can't stand it coz of too high glyx)..... :-/ :o :B...meep-meep....

call me Isa...dearle ;)  :K) ;D ;D
Posted by: O in Virginia, Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 10:16pm; Reply: 18
I mostly eat white basmati rice and I do fine on it.  I don't eat it at every meal like Marc but fairly often.  I like it because it cooks in 20 minutes and it has a nice fluffy texture.  But now I want to explore sweet/sticky rice because PassionPrincess makes it sound so yummy.  :)  

JJR, I'm interested in what you said about feeling that you had extra energy from eating white rice.  I have been wondering whether I should eat some rice on mornings I go to the gym.  Yesterday, I crashed half way through my cardio part of my workout.  I had eaten a good breakfast but maybe not enough starchy carbs to sustain a cardio workout.  I haven't worked out the right mix yet.  An egg/rice pancake or crepe with some fresh berries throwin in might be just the right mix.  

Any kind of rice is a diamond on my swami.  Cream of rice (like rice grits) hot cereal is not listed on my swami.  I bought some and have tried it a couple of times with a dab of ghee and some agave syrup, but it gives me indigestion later the same way oatmeal used to do.  Maybe it is not processed in a gluten-free environment.   :-/  That is the first time since btd/swami that rice has not agreed with me.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 6:26am; Reply: 19
I bought some of that Creamy Rice from Bob's red mill and I haven't tried it yet either.  But I'm looking forward to it.  But now you've got me SCARED!!!   :o  Indigestion?  I don't get that with oats though.  In fact, I feel like I've come home when I eat oats.  They are like, aaaaaaaaaahhhhh for me.  Calming.  But as far as the energy goes.  In my swami, the grain portion talks about it giving you energy.  And I have noticed the times I tried to not eat any grains, I had no energy.  I'm thankful I can eat some.  
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:29am; Reply: 20
I noticed sushi rice in the supermarket tonight - it has quite round & fat grains... SO wanted to buy some to try but am still unsure if it is the sticky rice mentioned earlier :-/
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 2:05pm; Reply: 21
not sure if i've missd something , but sushi rice is very stiky -


anyway a link for you http://www.justhungry.com/2003/11/japanese_basics_1.html
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 5:59pm; Reply: 22
I'm amazed at how many different types of rice there are!
Posted by: Dianne, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 6:38pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from JJR
  Indigestion?  I don't get that with oats though.  In fact, I feel like I've come home when I eat oats.  They are like, aaaaaaaaaahhhhh for me.  Calming.  But as far as the energy goes.  In my swami, the grain portion talks about it giving you energy.  And I have noticed the times I tried to not eat any grains, I had no energy.  I'm thankful I can eat some.  


JJR - I'm with you on the oats and grains in general. No energy without a bit. As an Explorer I get 1 1/2 cups daily. Don't always have that much but I need at least one cup daily.

Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:32pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from O in Virginia

Cream of rice (like rice grits) hot cereal is not listed on my swami.  I bought some and have tried it a couple of times with a dab of ghee and some agave syrup, but it gives me indigestion later the same way oatmeal used to do.  Maybe it is not processed in a gluten-free environment.   :-/  That is the first time since btd/swami that rice has not agreed with me.


Try it without the agave.   :X
Posted by: passionprincess, Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 9:56pm; Reply: 25
OinVa - Hope you enjoy the sweet rice! It is almost flavorless and very gummy. LOL. I like making dessert squares out of it. Rice is compliant and I find that making dessert squares and drizzling a bit of agave really satisfies my yearning for dessert. I can have something while others have their non-compliant desserts!

PolicyChecker - Sushi rice IS quite sticky but you have not seen sweet rice. Hee hee. It can be a gelatinous gummy mess if cooked wrong! Sweet rice can be closer to glue while sushi rice cannot even get to that point. ;D
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:07am; Reply: 26
Perhaps your liver really enjoyed it.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 4:26am; Reply: 27
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
not sure if i've missd something , but sushi rice is very stiky -


anyway a link for you http://www.justhungry.com/2003/11/japanese_basics_1.html
Great link PC - thanks heaps I learnt a lot... I probably would have just stuck it in the rice cooker & not even thought about it??!!
Interestingly, they stress that shushi rice must be served when it is slightly warm, or at the least at room temperature - not chilled. & is why the best nigiri-zushi (the standard sushi that everyone thinks of a 'sushi' - an oval ball of sushi rice topped with a piece of fish) is eaten right after it's made, at the sushi counter - cool but not cold fish on top of the warm sushi rice...
& say when making sushi at home, do not refrigerate your rice if you can avoid it; the texture and flavor rapidly deteriorate when it's chilled" I have only ever had sushi once & I am sure it was cold?!

Posted by: JJR, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 4:39am; Reply: 28
I have to say, I just finished up a nice bowl of long grain brown rice with some peanuts, cardomom, 1/3 teaspoon of honey, teaspoon of butter and sea salt and I personally like the flavor of brown rice a little better.  And it is more filling.  Or fulfilling after I eat it.  Like, Aaaaaaah.  The white rice I had is like, where did it go?  Now the basmati white is kind of thin.  So, I might like a more short grain white better.  I'll have to try one.  Like maybe aborio.  I'm not sure I want to try this sticky sweet rice that passion princess is talking about just yet.  Seems like it'd be high glycemic.  But I don't know.  In a way it sounds good too.  But it will be fun to try some other rices.  I've never had jasmine either.  What's that like compared to the others?
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 4:55am; Reply: 29
I recently cooked jasmine rice in the same way as you would normal white rice (I had run out of both white & brown & someone had given me this type) I couldn't tell the difference - maybe slightly gluggier (stuck together more when I stirred it into a meal) but husband loved it... ;)
According to that linked article above - "If you serve plain jasmine rice with a Japanese meal, it will simply taste wrong."
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 5:14am; Reply: 30
Try Brown Basmati.  :)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Victoria


Try it without the agave.   :X


I did!  I had some cream of rice morning with just a dab of ghee and some sea salt and NO agave syrup.  I had no indigestion, even if it was a bit of a "belly bomb" as my husband calls it.  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 7:30pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from O in Virginia

I did!  I had some cream of rice morning with just a dab of ghee and some sea salt and NO agave syrup.  I had no indigestion, even if it was a bit of a "belly bomb" as my husband calls it.  :)


Ghee and sea salt!  That's an ideal combo for my taste!  ;)
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Thursday, February 23, 2012, 7:48pm; Reply: 33
O in V, my sister used to call White Castle hamburgers "belly bombers", so that brought back some funny memories.  

As far as rice goes, my system agrees with sushi, jasmine, and basmati white rices.  These are all neutral, however.  Brown rice, a superfood, just upsets my gut, so I don't eat it whole anymore.  However, since brown rice flour is also a superfood, I do use it when I make flax bread, so hopefully I still get the benefits without my gut having to digest it whole.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:13pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Victoria
Try Brown Basmati.  :)


I have eaten this a lot.  I like it very much.  

I looked up the description of arborio and some of the descriptions are saying it's "chewy" or even a little "crunchy".  I think that might worry me because over Christmas I was at my Mom's house for a couple of days and I undercooked some long grain brown she had.  Her burner was a lot harder than I was used to and I should've added some water at the end and let it cook in.  But I went ahead and ate it anyways.  And I felt pretty lousy for a day or so.  I think the undercooked rice kind of gave me some inflammation and what not.  So...  crunchy and rice just doesn't sound right together.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:20pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from JJR


I have eaten this a lot.  I like it very much.  

I looked up the description of arborio and some of the descriptions are saying it's "chewy" or even a little "crunchy".  I think that might worry me because over Christmas I was at my Mom's house for a couple of days and I undercooked some long grain brown she had.  Her burner was a lot harder than I was used to and I should've added some water at the end and let it cook in.  But I went ahead and ate it anyways.  And I felt pretty lousy for a day or so.  I think the undercooked rice kind of gave me some inflammation and what not.  So...  crunchy and rice just doesn't sound right together.


Not a legitimate worry, necessarily, JJR.
It sounds like you ate undercooked rice, and it sickened you.
But there are different varieties of rice that - when cooked to perfection - have more or less "tooth" to them, satisfying the Chew Need differently, among their other distinctives.

Sushi rice delivers that toothiness, and each kernel separates nicely when prepared with sushi vinegar for example. A very pleasant sensation. Short grain organic brown rice also offers a certain amount of bite (tooth resistance) unless it is overcooked to mushy. I think that's the important difference between the hardness/crunch of badly cooked rice of any variety, and the pleasant chewiness of some types of rice.
:)

Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:31pm; Reply: 36
Yalla...yadda ....to whom it may concern............ ;D ;D ;D(funny)(sleeping) :X
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:39pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from JJR
I've never had jasmine either.  What's that like compared to the others?
I've always thought Jasmine had a sort of "green tea" flavor...

Posted by: Dianne, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:44pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Amazone I.
Yalla...yadda ....to whom it may concern............ ;D ;D ;D(funny)(sleeping) :X


Isa, what are you on? I want some of that, going through a rough patch right now!  :o ;D :o

Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 23, 2012, 8:47pm; Reply: 39
in gift-form or mutually ??) ;) :K) ;D...www.listenarabic.com ....(smarty)(shhh)(evil)(smartyp)(cool)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, February 23, 2012, 9:22pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from ABJoe
I've always thought Jasmine had a sort of "green tea" flavor...
Would make sense of the name if it was jasmine tea? I'll have to check the box... ;)

Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:21am; Reply: 41
Yeah, I've had short grain brown be "chewy" before and not freaked.  I like short grain brown.  I have to say something about the whole overcooked and mushy rice thing.  I used to soak all my grains, as I told PC earlier.  And they're always much "mushier" when you do that.  And I actually like it that way.  When I made the white basmati, it's more delicate and not mushy.  It's not crunchy, but it's more firm and to be honest, I like my rice all gushy.  I probably would really like the rice passionprincess is talking about.  I don't care if it's how it's supposed to be or not.  To me, it's much more satisfying when it's mushy.  But I've read a few websites before, including the one PC linked.  I've seen that one before and others and there are all these people saying how rice SHOULD be.  And I'm like, you know, if I like it better mushy, I could give a flying rip if it's not technically correct.  For some reason that really irritates me.  Like the whole thing about spaghetti having to be "El Dente", to be properly cooked.  Now, I can see why that is, but for crying out loud, what if you like it all gushy and mushy?  I watch these cooking shows and they just act like you're an idiot if you do things that aren't out of the french cooking playbook.  And it seems like for rice, it's the same deal with the rice people.  Well, pardon me world if I like it the way that is improper.  Maybe it shows a lack of care or wisdom on my part.  But it just tastes better to me more gushy.  

Am I crazy???  :o :D
Posted by: Possum, Friday, February 24, 2012, 7:00am; Reply: 42
No; not crazy - it's the same reason (when I used to have port) that I liked it on ice - No way is it the way it's meant to be, but I really liked it that way, particularly in a super hot climate ??) ;)

Btw I like my rice al dente, so now I am freaked about soaking/washing it... :-/ My rice cooker is magic & cooks perfectly & then keeps it warm (as they do) Maybe I will just try cooking the sushi rice in that, without washing?! Any thoughts anyone?
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, February 24, 2012, 7:12am; Reply: 43
Quoted from JJR
. . And they're always much "mushier" when you do that.  And I actually like it that way. . . I don't care if it's how it's supposed to be or not.  To me, it's much more satisfying when it's mushy. . .


You would have loved my Mother's rice.  She used a lot of water and cooked the rice until it was very soft and creamy.  We ate it with salt and butter and it was such a fine comfort food!   :P
Posted by: Spring, Friday, February 24, 2012, 12:08pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from JJR
  I don't care if it's how it's supposed to be or not.  To me, it's much more satisfying when it's mushy.  But I've read a few websites before, including the one PC linked.  I've seen that one before and others and there are all these people saying how rice SHOULD be.  And I'm like, you know, if I like it better mushy, I could give a flying rip if it's not technically correct.  For some reason that really irritates me.    
Am I crazy???  :o :D


I am so with you on this, JJR! If you are crazy, then so am I. I do not care for rice at all that you could blow off a plate with a light wind!! There is more than one reason why a lot of people pile other stuff on their rice, such as gravy. Why not just make it a little moist to start with IMO!
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 24, 2012, 5:06pm; Reply: 45
YEAH!!!!!!!  Lets start a club!!!!  The anti El Dente club!!!!!  Hehehhehe  

It's the same way with oatmeal for me too.  The directions say 10-20 minutes depending on the consistency you like, well, I think it's way better after 20.  Goopy, sloppy, ploppy, and belly warming and soothing.  

And I haven't had pasta in a long time, but if I did, all sticking together and ploppy is quite alright with me.  

So where do we fit into the culinary circle?  I guess maybe it's more comfort foodish.  How about, American Satisfying food.  Take what the world has given us and make it heart warmingly plumpy.  Hhehehehe  It does remind me of the malt o meal my Mom used to make me when I was a kid.  That might have something to do with it.  
Posted by: Spring, Friday, February 24, 2012, 6:05pm; Reply: 46
Sounds good to me!! LOL
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, February 24, 2012, 7:24pm; Reply: 47
I like a little white rice now & then- can't resist a good Panda bowl, really love it actually.  What works for me is the intermittent fasting thing.  The carbs in white rice aren't good for you and they definitely do raise up the insulin.  But it's no fun not having a nice hot meal once in a while, especially one I don't have to cook  ;D so fasting about 19 hours afterwards helps me.  I eat other food along with the Panda bowl of course.

You might also consider chilling the rice and eating it cold- chilling carbs turns them in to resistant starch which I've read is healthier.  The starch doesn't digest the same and isn't as fattening.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 24, 2012, 8:44pm; Reply: 48
I'm not fat.  I have the opposite problem.  I need to put weight on.  I'm curious as to why you would say "carbs aren't good for you".  They seem to do me well.  Maybe for YOU they're not good for.  I don't know.  I have a hard time believing that you shouldn't have any.  But I'm not sure where you're getting your advice.

This thread here, is celebrating rice.  I love it.  I eat it, and my SWAMI recommends carbs every day.  3 servings.  And the BTD / GTD books recommend it for some of us.  I feel like you keep lumping the rest of us into your individual thoughts on food, that don't even coincide with the recommendations of this diet.  At least, my diet.  Furthermore, I'm not sure why in the world you'd feel like you had to fast for almost a day after enjoying some rice.  Nor would I recommend it for anybody in my position.  You have mentioned that before to me.  I WEIGH 124 POUNDS!!!!!!!!  Fasting is not for me at present.

Anyways, you're entitled to your opinion.  However, please remember that we are all different and so are our diets.

Now, back to loving rice.  

I have another question, I typically treat my rice like a dessert.  I put cinnamon or carob powder, some nuts and a little bit of honey.  I've been wanting to do more savory sometime, but I never seem to get around to it.  What is your favorite way to eat rice???
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, February 24, 2012, 9:15pm; Reply: 49
^^ I didn't call you fat.  I'm just saying that white rice is kind of high on the glycemic index and there are ways around it.
If you eat enough, intermittent fasting isn't a problem.  It reduces insulin but won't make you thin so long as your calories remain high.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, February 24, 2012, 9:41pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from 14442
I'm just saying that white rice is kind of high on the glycemic index and there are ways around it.  
If you eat enough, intermittent fasting isn't a problem.  It reduces insulin but won't make you thin so long as your calories remain high.

For you, this type of eating seems to work well...  I appreciate your input and compartmentalize it into the O Hunter space where it fits - at least for some of your type.

For JJ and I, we continue to eat like little pigs and struggle to keep the weight we have.  Our SWAMIs keep pushing us to eat hearty, including many carbs and we can't eat it all at one sitting.  We HAVE to eat multiple meals per day in order to keep the system even close to happy.

JJ, I don't have a favorite way to eat turkey, unless it is with a fork or spoon! ;)   ;D

I cook it with turkey / broth, maybe adding some veggies (onion early) or others later, depending on how done we want them...  

I make desserts out of it by cooking it plain and adding yogurt and fruit or a bit of honey and cinnamon...

I grind it and use it as a sauce thickener in place of some other starch because it is better for my Explorer DD than any other easily available starch...  

We even make peanut butter cookies with rice flour, peanut butter and a little sweetener (maybe some other ingredients)...
Posted by: Possum, Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:30pm; Reply: 51
Oh the irony (& unfairness) eh lol
Posted by: JJR, Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:55pm; Reply: 52
Yeah, I've been eating like you said, but I can't do it all in one sitting.  I am up to 220-2300 calories a day, give or take, and I still am only gaining about .5 pounds per week.  If that.  I'm up 10 pounds since November.  What is that almost 90 days for 10 pounds.  I'm thanking God for those 10 pounds, but I need at least another 10 and really 20 would probably put me more in the healthy range for me.  I could probably even get 30 and be still thin.  I'm 5'8".  124 is pretty darn skinny on me.  I am an ectomorph though.  

But anyways..  Yeah, gobble gobble.  I so have to try rice with some protein.  I've been so long not doing it I'm fearful of what might happen.  Although I did have a rice cake within a half hour of my egg one morning and it seemed ok.  Sometime I need to try an egg on top of a rice cake.  Eggs benedict.

One thing I need to learn how to do is make more sauces for my meals.  Incorporate that some.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, February 24, 2012, 11:02pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from Possum
Oh the irony (& unfairness) eh lol

More like just the individuality...  We all have our needs - some of us "needs" more than others...
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, February 24, 2012, 11:04pm; Reply: 54
No one really "needs" to eat multiple times a day, this is what the system programs people to believe.  But sure my genetics are special and help me to eat less frequently than most.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Friday, February 24, 2012, 11:14pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from 10384
O in V, my sister used to call White Castle hamburgers "belly bombers", so that brought back some funny memories.


Murder burgers is what a friend of mine used to call them.  We did eat those at around two in the morning on a few occasions.  DH saw a commercial on TV the other day, advertising White Castle now selling wine.  I thought that was funny.  As if we hadn't had enough at two in the morning!   :P  But I guess not everyone is as awful as we were back then (a LONG time ago).  Maybe some people go to White Castle for dinner and order a glass of wine with their murder burgers.   :-/
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:02am; Reply: 56
Quoted from 14442
No one really "needs" to eat multiple times a day, this is what the system programs people to believe.  But sure my genetics are special and help me to eat less frequently than most.
I am extremely grateful for your thoughts Sahara - I struggle to lose weight but with incorporating your ideas & "leptin restart", I have manged to lose nearly 5kgs (10lbs+) in the last (not quite) 2 weeks!!
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 5:27am; Reply: 57
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We even make peanut butter cookies with rice flour, peanut butter and a little sweetener (maybe some other ingredients)...


This sounds sooo good.  Except I think I would use Amaranth. I have always had a weakness for peanut butter cookies!! A peanut butter cookie and a piece of banana would make a luscious little dessert! I wish there were some kind of topping on the market that wasn't poisonous, because a shot of that would make it perfect. (smile)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 6:38am; Reply: 58
Quoted from 14442
No one really "needs" to eat multiple times a day, this is what the system programs people to believe.  But sure my genetics are special and help me to eat less frequently than most.


That may be true and believe me, I'm not for doing what everyone else is doing just because they do it.  So I get your point, but I just don't think it applies to all of us when you say "no one needs to eat several times a day".  Again, you either trust Dr.D to a point or you don't.  He recommends frequent smaller meals for A's and AB's due to the fact that our stomach acids aren't as aggressive or in the same quantities of O's and B's.  Therefore, smaller meals might be necessary.  Furthermore, from my experience, if I'm not getting a certain amount of calories a day, I'm going backwards real quick.  No energy, losing weight faster than you can say Mississippi, and mental weakness.  Again, you keep lumping us all together and I guess you're just not going to get it.   From what I can tell, being duped by "the system" is a good thing for me.  Because I find Dr.D's advice pretty good.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 6:40am; Reply: 59
Quoted from Spring


This sounds sooo good.  Except I think I would use Amaranth. I have always had a weakness for peanut butter cookies!! A peanut butter cookie and a piece of banana would make a luscious little dessert! I wish there were some kind of topping on the market that wasn't poisonous, because a shot of that would make it perfect. (smile)


I pulled out the cook right for your type book about a week ago and there is a recipe for a couple of different nut butter toppings.  I'll have to get them, but it was like taking some peanut butter and some honey and I think just water and mixing them all together for a sweet dressing.  It sounded really good and I have to try it.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 6:46am; Reply: 60
Another rice comment.  I just made some more white basmati tonight.  YUM!!  I mixed some carob powder, pecans, 1/3 teaspoon of honey, teaspoon of butter and some sea salt.  It was SO GOOD!!!  

Now here's the thing about the consistency.  The first night I made it, I followed the directions.  It said to use 1-1/2 cups to 1 cup of rice.  Well, all the brown rice I have calls for a 2:1 ration.  And I was like, hmmmmmm..  And in fact, the first night I felt like it was a little crunchy and added more water at the end and cooked it a little longer.  Well, the second time I made it I left it just under a 2:1 ratio and that was better.  Then tonight I just went the all out 2:1 ratio and I personally liked it so much more!!!  No chewiness or crunchiness and just nice ploppy, sticky rice.  Much more satisfying then some small grain that is dainty and doesn't stick to your ribs.  Hehhehehehe
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 6:53am; Reply: 61
I've just come by this thread for the first time, and wish to add that a friend of mine whom I trust told me, that with Basmati rice in particular there is no difference in nutritional values between the white and the brown.

Basmati rice is the only superfood rice in my swami.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 7:03am; Reply: 62
Quoted from JJR
That might be completely coincidental.  Or, it could've been the yummy venison and peas and lettuce I had for dinner.  Or the yummy peaches after that.  Or none of the above.

:D A dream dinner!!! Nothing coincidental, I'll bet!

Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 12:31pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from JJR


Now, back to loving rice.  

I have another question, I typically treat my rice like a dessert.  I put cinnamon or carob powder, some nuts and a little bit of honey.  I've been wanting to do more savory sometime, but I never seem to get around to it.  What is your favorite way to eat rice???


Rice pudding with compliant ingredients. I love savoury foods more than sweet ones so rice cooked in homemade broth with some sage in it and top it off with ghee is heavenly! Serve this alongside steamed onions, bok-choy and a few carrots and it's a meal fit for a queen or king!
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 5:40pm; Reply: 64
I love sweets, but they don't love me.  So I don't eat cookies, cake, ice cream.  Even ones I make myself if there is a good amount of honey or maple syrup or anything overly sweet, will make me feel pretty lousy after eating it.  Racing heart, weak voice, fatigue.  So, my rice and oatmeal are about the only "dessert" I get.  Which is why I probably just keep eating it that way.  And even that I use such little honey I can't even tell practically.  A few bites hear and there I'll taste it.  I use less than 1/2 teaspoon at this point.  I may increase that as I feel it's OK to.  I've said this a million times but I do eat a little bit of dark chocolate every 3 days or so.  But it's not much either.  One square.  Any more and again, heart racing etc etc.  So.....  

I love sweets, but they don't love me.  Waaaaahaaaaaaaaaa.  I've gotten used to really liking savory foods though.
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 7:13pm; Reply: 65
JJR, I kept thinking about the parsnips you enjoyed so much several days ago. So today I had pan-roasted parsnips (just lightly), lightly stir-fried bok choy  and a turkey burger. Wow! It was so delicious! The parsnips and bok choy were absolutely perfect together!! My mouth is still singing! I only used sea salt to season everything, and it couldn't possibly have tasted any better! Thanks for reminding me about parsnips!
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, February 25, 2012, 8:51pm; Reply: 66
They're awesome.  Glad you are enjoying them also.  I have to put them on the shopping list.  Thanks for reminding me!!!!
Posted by: Drea, Monday, February 27, 2012, 5:09am; Reply: 67
My favorite way to eat rice, brown, white, or green (huh?), is with ghee, sea salt, garlic powder, and nutritional yeast. Yum!
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 27, 2012, 5:31am; Reply: 68
Sounds good!

I don't know what it is, but lately I've just been super hungry all day.  I'll eat well and the only time I "FEEL" satisfied is after I eat my grain meal.  I know some of you might say it's yeast, calling out for sugars.  But I don't think it's that.  I suppose it could be partly that, but I'm not eating any more than my swami recommends.  I have a feeling it's got more to do with needing the calories and gaining weight.  

I take it back, I feel satisfied if I eat a big ole helping of potatoes, sweet potatoes, parsnips or some kind of squash with my meals.  I need the types of food that "sticks to your ribs".  It used to be if I ate a salad at panera, I'd be stuffed.  Now, I eat the whole salad and I'm like, I could eat another one.  I don't do dressings and croutons on them and I eat the potato chips they give you.  But their portion of lettuce is pretty generous.  It used to stuff me.  Well, now I'm like, where's the beef?  I really think I need to start trying some grains with my meals.  Even if it's just a little.  At least at the meals I'm not having some kind of heavy vegetable.  

Like today I was famished all day.  I even ate 3 oz of lamb for dinner with 14 brussel sprouts and a red potato.  And I was hungry within 1-1/2 of eating that.  Which I'm thanking God for.  Because for so long I wasn't.  But my point is I just finished my big bowl of oatmeal, and I'm like, aaaaaaah, now I can rest.

Anyways, enough complaining about that.  I love my rice and oatmeal.  I have to try a new kind soon.  I have some long grain white I'm going to try next.  And I haven't had steel cut oats in a long time, so I have to cook some of those up.  I had just regular oats tonight.  But this thread is about rice.

What is everybodies favorite brand of rice?
Posted by: Spring, Monday, February 27, 2012, 5:40am; Reply: 69
Basmati here, all the time!
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, February 27, 2012, 7:26am; Reply: 70
Quoted from JJR
I don't know what it is, but lately I've just been super hungry all day.  I'll eat well and the only time I "FEEL" satisfied is after I eat my grain meal.

I think you need more carbs earlier in the day...  It may be some starchy vegetable or some grain, but it just sounds like if that is what is satisfying you, bring some into your earlier meal, rather than beings hungry all day...
Posted by: JJR, Monday, February 27, 2012, 5:20pm; Reply: 71
I know I probably sound like a broken record.  I need to just try it.  I had a rice cake ONE time after breakfast so far.  And it seemed fine.  But those don't really do much.  

I have noticed someething about the white rice.  I think it has slowed my digestion down.  Since I've been eating it I'm not QUITE as regular.  Although I don't necessarily want to blame the white rice right away.  I haven't had figs and kiwi in the amounts that I usually do and that could be having an impact too.  I just had both this morning though.  And the kiwi was so good.  Mmmmmm....  But, I did seem to notice that after I made brown rice the last time.  Which was about mid week last week, I think it cleaned me out the next day.  So, it's possible that the fiber in the brown rice might keep things moving better, whereas white rice might not as well.  I'm not freaking, but it's just something to make a mental note of.  But when my morning constitution routine is upset, I get a little concerned.  And that happened two times now.  
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 12:47am; Reply: 72
Quoted from JJR
...when my morning constitution routine is upset, I get a little concerned.  And that happened two times now.  
I fully understand this & I don't see you as a broken record - just someone trying to search for answers - as most of us are ;) I understand exactly how you feel ;) Only thing is if you are trying to gain weight, maybe you don't want your food to move through at such a pace? I read something recently re how the human body needed to actually slow the digestion process down, in order to absorb nutrients better?!
Reminded me of my FatherinLaw's situation & how he was always so frail & wiry - Having had diveruticulitus he was afraid of a repeat episode & took a metamucil very regularly & often suffered from diarrhea at the same time...In his 80's he is now unable to re cover from infections & has had his leg amputated as a result ??) Not sure if any of this is related :-/
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 6:04pm; Reply: 73
Well thankfully, I haven't had that issue in a while.  But you make a good point.  For me it's probably more mental than anything.  But they also say you want to go regularly if you don't want the toxins to build up in your system.  So....  I'm not sure where the perfect balance is.  I usually go once a day.  Sometimes a little more.  And not usually less.  I did go yesterday in the afternoon.  And then I went like I normally do this morning.  I'm pretty sure it was the white rice, but then again, it might not be.  I did two things differently.  I usually eat some dried fruit with some nut butter right before bed.  I sometimes put it in canned pumpkin or butternut squash.  And that morning I didn't go, the night before I was so tired, I skipped that last meal of dried fruit.  And I know figs can keep things moving too.  So......  Who knows.  Either way it didn't come grinding to a halt, so I probably shouldn't worry about it. And keep enjoying my white rice in the rotation.  Plus, if I keep eating it, I'll see if there is patterns.  I've had oatmeal the last two nights, and that doesn't seem to stop me up.  And then I'm going to make brown rice tonight, Lord willing.  

Cheese seems to do the same thing in me also and I've avoided it for months now.  I'm debating on if and when I should add it back in.  But it has a tenancy to really stop me up.  Donna gates claims you should be going 3 times a day.  Or after every meal.  I'm kind of like, if I went after every meal, there is no way I'd get out of the house.  I spend so much time cooking, eating and doing dishes, if I added going on the potty that much, I might as well lock the front doors.  hehehhehe
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 6:26pm; Reply: 74
Last night I prepared brown rice in a new way:

I put the raw rice in the pan, added olive oil, sea salt,, onion powder, a dash of garlic powder, and then some dill. I stirred this all together. Then I added hot water (2.5 cups per cup of rice so it's nice and mushy) and then it just looked like it was missing something, so I added a handful of frozen peas.

It was absolutely delicious! I'll definitely do that again! But only on a day when I'm making plain white rice or potatoes for DS, because he won't eat rice with "things" in it.  ::) Last night I also made another pan of rice (1 cup white rice, 2 cups water, nothing else added.)

I use the store brand non-organic rice because that's the cheapest, and I need to cut my food budget somewhere. I just can't justify spending extra money on "fancy" rices when the taste differences are subtle, and I can get creative with spices and whatnot in the kitchen. If money wasn't so tight, I'd have a variety of different kinds of rices in my pantry, along with other compliant grains and compliant pastas.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 8:06pm; Reply: 75
Sounds yummy!!! Am I hearing this correctly, do you do yours in the oven?
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