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Posted by: Pixitron, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 8:01am
Hi, recently bought genotype diet book and took tests to determine my genotype. But I am really part Hunter part Gatherer, what do I do? I am blood type O +, my torso is longer than my legs, my upper legs longer than lower and there is a small gap at the back of my legs, plus oval face with wide angle jaw and index and ring fingers same size on both hands (thus we say index is longer). All Gatherer so far. However, I have spade teeth and no extra bit on the molar, my finger prints are identical left and right and I have a lot of white lines in them. My head is long, my waist to hip is average and when putting my fingers around my wrist I am ectomorph, although I am short and consider myself pear shaped. I have instances of both arthritis and diabetes and high blood pressure in my parents and grand parents. I have poly cystic ovaries nd trouble with acne and show early signs of insulin resistance. Don't know whether to follow hunter or gatherer, help!
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 12:55pm; Reply: 1
So you're a Huntherer! Do you know your secretor status? That might make the difference. Have you considered Swami?

It seems more gatherer than hunter (bone measurements are stronger clues than teeth) but your answers should put you in one category over another.

Lisa
Posted by: Pixitron, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 1:17pm; Reply: 2
Don't know my secretory status, need to test for it, but am in middle east, not sure it's done here. How do I do SWAMI? Can't seem to work out how to access it! :-)
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 2:16pm; Reply: 3
I'm the same way -- when I did the measurements I came up gatherer, so I've been following that, however, I purchased the swami software and it has me as 42% HUNTER, which is very strange to me seeing that I have a longer torso , longer upper leg etc, which are all characteristics of gatherer. So should I really trust that or just continue to follow the gatherer diet?
Posted by: Suzanne, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 2:20pm; Reply: 4
You are not alone.  I have chosen to follow the Blood Type Diet...but I tweak with foods that are super beneficial for either Hunters or Gatherers.
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 3:02pm; Reply: 5
I guess that's what I'll have to do also, it's kind of upsetting though since I lost some favorites including garlic, which surprises me since I thought that garlic was nature's "natural antibiotic"? How could garlic be bad for you?    
Posted by: Pixitron, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 3:37pm; Reply: 6
How much is the swami software, and is it worth purchasing?
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 4:42pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Trvlgrl70
... I purchased the swami software and it has me as 42% HUNTER, which is very strange to me seeing that I have a longer torso , longer upper leg etc, which are all characteristics of gatherer. So should I really trust that or just continue to follow the gatherer diet?

I would follow SWAMI...  It takes all of the entered data into account, where the tables in the book only use 5...  The more data all taken together makes the better decision for you...
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 4:50pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Pixitron
How much is the swami software, and is it worth purchasing?

Since you are not in the US, I don't know what the price would be.  Check this link to find a distributor to serve you: http://www.4yourtype.com/InternationalCust.asp

Is it worth purchasing???  From the results we have had, it is definitely worth purchasing.  It provided answers that we weren't getting anywhere else...  My DD was having situations that BTD and the book GTD didn't solve, but when all of her data was entered in SWAMI - her diet was significantly different and now she is healing.
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:02pm; Reply: 9
Thanks for the reply, I guess I will follow SWAMI and see how it goes.  
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:07pm; Reply: 10
Pixitron,

contact bloodtypediet@gmail.com

give them your coordinates to guide you on how to run a swami in your country.
where there is a will, there is a way!!! :)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:20pm; Reply: 11
SWAMI was about $70 a few years ago. I was thinking it would be a lot more.  I also have hunter & gatherer characteristics, but the SWAMI says I am more Explorer, altho the foods listed for me are more hunter-gatherer.  When I tried each diet separately, it didn't work. Some foods that made me feel great were not on one or the other list, but when I did SWAMI, they came back.

If you are new to the BTD, start with getting rid of the worst offenders, like dairy & wheat for O, etc.
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:38pm; Reply: 12
Actually, I have been following the BTD for about 12-15 years, and did cut out wheat, dairy, sugar- which made me feel SOOOOOO much better immediately. I have been following the gatherer diet for about 4 years and can't say that I felt "bad" on it, which is why I was really surprised to see the SWAMI say 42% HUNTER. I never felt "off" on the gatherer diet which I know some folks have claimed when they started to follow a certain diet according to their measurements.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:45pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Trvlgrl70
Actually, I have been following the BTD for about 12-15 years, and did cut out wheat, dairy, sugar- which made me feel SOOOOOO much better immediately. I have been following the gatherer diet for about 4 years and can't say that I felt "bad" on it, which is why I was really surprised to see the SWAMI say 42% HUNTER. I never felt "off" on the gatherer diet which I know some folks have claimed when they started to follow a certain diet according to their measurements.

Your SWAMI diet may not be significantly different than what you have been following, or it may help with healing that you didn't know you needed...

What motivated you to get SWAMI?
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:48pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Mrs T O+
SWAMI was about $70 a few years ago.

This isn't really applicable since Pixitron is in the Middle East...  
International shipping, duty charges, or ?? may significantly alter this...
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 5:54pm; Reply: 15
I'm such a health nut and wanted to make sure that I was in fact eating what I should be and avoiding what I should be avoiding and just wanted to keep my immune system as healthy as possible since I'm a flight attendant and around people all the time who are coughing and sneezing, etc.  And for the most part when I was following the gatherer diet I didn't get sick, except for when I would eat something that had wheat/gluten in it -- I would get the scratchy throat and it would always affect my sinuses.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 6:16pm; Reply: 16
being Os, we all have a bit of explorer, hunter and gatherer in us
no worries!

swami gives you the label you fit in best......glad you follow yours now
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Thursday, February 9, 2012, 7:52pm; Reply: 17
Well I can't say really. One of the big differences between Hunters & Gatherers seems to be dairy.  If you can tolerate cottage cheese you might be more of a Gatherer.  
Posted by: Trvlgrl70, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 10:09pm; Reply: 18
Sahara,

When you say tolerate cottage cheese, how do you mean? I've eaten it already and not sure that I've had a reaction to it. If I truly was a Hunter would I react some way?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 11:38pm; Reply: 19
most dairy is an avoid for me.....to each their own....personal variables rule when running a swami report
Posted by: Pixitron, Friday, February 10, 2012, 3:19pm; Reply: 20
If swami is Internet programme, why does the software have to be physically delivered?! Why cant I buy username and password online?
Posted by: Tom Martens, Friday, February 10, 2012, 4:48pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Pixitron
If swami is Internet programme, why does the software have to be physically delivered?! Why cant I buy username and password online?


The software is all online.  The kit to do your measurements and all other related Swami biometrics comes in the mail.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Friday, February 10, 2012, 8:32pm; Reply: 22
I also find myself to be a bit of a "hybrid", if you will, in regards to Hunter & Gatherer. I lost weight easier when I followed the Gatherer Swami recommendations.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, February 10, 2012, 10:30pm; Reply: 23
I believe Dr. D said most of us will not "fit" into just one genotype, that we may be two or more overlapping. I know this to be true of my eating for explorer and teacher. Swami knows best! ;) My swami seems to be mostly teacher but with many explorer items in common.
Posted by: akolley, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 12:02am; Reply: 24
I believe Dr. D said most of us will not "fit" into just one genotype, that we may be two or more overlapping.

This statement seems true for most of us.  Unfortunetly a lot of us bought the book.  So does this mean that Dr.D does not find the genotype book useful any more? :-/
Posted by: cajun, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 12:28am; Reply: 25
Heavens no! There is sooooo much information in both the er4YT and Genotype books that, in my opinion, everyone should read, THEN get a SWAMI done! ;)
Dr.D keeps adding info, updating and making it all more individual, thank goodness! :D
Check out the thread on Genotype percentage poll.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 1:58am; Reply: 26
Quoted from cajun
I believe Dr. D said most of us will not "fit" into just one genotype, that we may be two or more overlapping.


Quoted from Dr. D.
There are No "Combination Types"...


Aryurveda, for example, has three major types of people -Air, Fire, and Earth - and then four combination (Air-Fire,Fire-Earth, Air-Earth and a triple type that partakes of all three).

The GenoTypes don't work like like that. Instead, they represent coherent wholes, six self-sustaining efforts to solve problems of survival that our ancestors encountered.

...
I'm not saying there's never been a seventh GenoType-or that there may not be an eight, or ninth as humans continue to live on the this earth. But right now, human life as we know it is pretty much defined by these six. How do I know this? Well, when developing the GenoTypes, after running the numbers the numbers for the first six, the characteristics simply began to repeat themselves. And just as you can't take the big wheels off your giant tractor and fit them onto your smaller model, so you cannot have combinations among the GenoTypes, even though many of them have common features.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 2:11am; Reply: 27
Well that seems to leave most of us "combination types" nowhere to go but to get swami???
Posted by: Pixitron, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 6:33am; Reply: 28
So does swami give you a diet that is a mix of genotypes? Or does it show you which is majority and give you that diet? I want to follow the genotype diet, but cannot commit to such change with doubts in my mind about whether I am doing the right thing for my health, really want a diet that suits me, part hunter, part gatherers and a little explorer...
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 6:49am; Reply: 29
swami is the right thing for your health, plus it is personalized to boot
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 6:53am; Reply: 30
JAkc,
welcome!
tell us your blood type :)
Posted by: Pixitron, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 8:02am; Reply: 31
How can I test my secretor status from UAE?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 3:34pm; Reply: 32
try ordering from the UK distributor

http://www.right4eu.com/
under diagnostic kits
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 3:47pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Pixitron
So does swami give you a diet that is a mix of genotypes? Or does it show you which is majority and give you that diet?

SWAMI takes all of your information, tells you what percentage of your characteristics match your majority Genotype, and provides a diet that takes all of your characteristics into account.  There are some 200 variables accounted for, so it is really difficult to say exactly how all are used for each individual.

All I know is that it is a phenomenal piece of software that we are able to use for a very nominal price.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, February 11, 2012, 3:51pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from akolley
Unfortunetly a lot of us bought the book.  So does this mean that Dr.D does not find the genotype book useful any more? :-/

All of the information in the books, even the _ _ 4YT books is still valid.  It is wonderful background information for all of us.  SWAMI incorporates all of this information and much more to make a much more complex diet than one could ever put into a consumer book.
Posted by: Pixitron, Sunday, February 12, 2012, 11:06am; Reply: 35
If I do swami without secretor status, can it still be accurate? And if I later do secretor test, can I update swami?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, February 13, 2012, 12:09am; Reply: 36
Yes and yes.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, February 13, 2012, 12:48am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Pixitron
So does swami give you a diet that is a mix of genotypes?


No.

It starts with a diet for one Epigenotype Superfamily (which may be the same or different than the GenoType calculated using the book) and the Blood Type diet for your type.

It then looks at you personal characteristics and the health needs that you indicate on your data intake form and changes the rating of foods as needed to meet your specific needs.

Quoted Text
...really want a diet that suits me, part hunter, part gatherers and a little explorer...


SWAMI does not take a little from this GenoType over here and a little bit from that GenoType over here, and a pinch from this GenoType here and mash them all together. That is not how it works.

Instead it looks at your personal characteristics and uses those to customize the ratings foods for you whether or not the foods are appropriate for other people of your GenoType (or different GenoTypes).  


Posted by: Lola, Monday, February 13, 2012, 5:55am; Reply: 38
Quoted Text
If I do swami without secretor status, can it still be accurate? And if I later do secretor test, can I update swami?


bloodtypediet@gmail.com
is who to contact

you are living in the uk, right?

don t know why I thought you were in Lebanon

I am imagining things! ;D
Posted by: Pixitron, Monday, February 13, 2012, 8:00am; Reply: 39
I live in Dubai, I said middle east, you thought Lebanon... :-)
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 2:42am; Reply: 40
C-sharp,
I will find (and report) where I read about "overlapping." ;)
It had to be in either the ER4YT or original Genotype book and I just lent my copies
to my yoga teacher.
I appreciate your information and quotes. ;)
I know from MY swami..ran as 38%explorer and as 41% teacher, that both diets have  several common features.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 3:21am; Reply: 41
I am sure I read it too... ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 5:55am; Reply: 42
Quoted from cajun
I will find (and report) where I read about "overlapping." ;)
It had to be in either the ER4YT or original Genotype book and I just lent my copies
to my yoga teacher.
I appreciate your information and quotes. ;)
I know from MY swami..ran as 38%explorer and as 41% teacher, that both diets have  several common features.

Page 104 of The Genotype Diet - "There are no combination types: You belong to one Genotype and one Genotype only.  The Genotypes are a complete set of solutions; out or the six possibilities, only one will work the best for you."

I know some people run SWAMI several times with different input and get different results.  This is sometimes due to input errors or changes as they heal, etc.  You have to pick the best choice and go with it to get the best result for you.
Posted by: cajun, Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:38pm; Reply: 43
I found it! It is in my SWAMI report under Results/ the teacher Genotype/what makes you a GT3 teacher......

"The six GenoTypes described by Dr. D'Adamo are very broad characterizations; no individual is purely one Genotype. Since many of the GenoType characteristics overlap, most people will have aspects of at least two or more Genotypes. However SWAMI Xpress uses powerful statistical tools to calculate which single Genotype best captures the highest degree of your unique variation.
Your results: 41% of your epigenetic variation is encapsulated in the GT3 Teacher profile."

My explorer % was either 38% or 40% each time I ran it. I follow teacher since it was a little higher. Again, individual. Many encapsulate 50% and more of their "Genotype" so I think of mine as an overlapping of teacher and explorer traits. I do not follow 2 diets or blend of....but if you saw my explorer swami and my teacher swami.. ;)...so many items in common! :) I follow my teacher swami and am very happy with it. 8)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:55pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from cajun
I found it! "The six GenoTypes described by Dr. D'Adamo are very broad characterizations; no individual is purely one Genotype. Since many of the GenoType characteristics overlap, most people will have aspects of at least two or more Genotypes. However SWAMI Xpress uses powerful statistical tools to calculate which single Genotype best captures the highest degree of your unique variation.
Well done!! I knew I had read this too (obviously not in swami but definitely elsewhere)
Incidentally the more I study of things like salicylates & now oxalates, the more I see sense in why Explorers have the food list they do & the more I think I am SUCH a combination but with definite leanings toward Explorer 8)

Posted by: cajun, Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:11am; Reply: 45
Thanks Possum! ;)
Look at your swami report around page 5..it is probably there under the results.(Of course it will say your genotype but you know....
I still think I read something like it in the ER4YT book.
When I saw your "expluntherer" I completely identified! ;)
I knowI "associate" most with the teacher profile. I also notice many "explorerness" in myself! Just saying. ;) :)
Posted by: Possum, Friday, February 17, 2012, 1:27am; Reply: 46
Quoted from cajun
Thanks Possum! ;)You're sooo welcome cajun & nooo thankyou!!!
Look at your swami report around page 5..it is probably there under the results.(Of course it will say your genotype but you know....
I still think I read something like it in the ER4YT book.
When I saw your "expluntherer" I completely identified! ;)
I knowI "associate" most with the teacher profile. I also notice many "explorerness" in myself! Just saying. ;) :)
Ummm I never did get swami ::) I was all but committed back in late 2010 :B but tbh with all my weirdness, I was unsure if it would even cover/address things like reactions to sulphites, salicylates, oxalates....
Then add the distance from family & uncertainty as to whether Mum would even be able to give me enough background info (she is not - shall we say as lucid these days & her memory is going)
Anyway I also had so much going on reaction/allergy wise at work & was so brain fogged from it all, I put it very much on the backburner :-( I was shocked to see how much time had gone by :B :o tbh but I think I am just plain chicken that it won't be able to sort me out :-/
Posted by: cajun, Friday, February 17, 2012, 9:26pm; Reply: 47
Possum,
Do you have any of Dr. D'Adamo's books? Have you done any measurements to see where your strengths/weaknesses are? Do you follow the O diet? Just from what you have written I would think you have some "explorerness"! ;D  ??) ;)
I love to read your comments...you have a great sense of humor! ;)
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, February 18, 2012, 1:22am; Reply: 48
Quoted from cajun
Possum,
Do you have any of Dr. D'Adamo's books? Have you done any measurements to see where your strengths/weaknesses are? Do you follow the O diet? Just from what you have written I would think you have some "explorerness"! ;D  ??) ;)
I love to read your comments...you have a great sense of humor! ;)
Aww thanks so much Cajun - I have always enjoyed reading your comments, info etc!! That really meant such a lot to hear, especially what I am going through at the moment (& being an Aussie taking risks with a different sense of humour??!!)

I was/am following the O BTD & strayed/jumped into GTD would you believe, with the sole thought that I could maybe eat more "carb type foods" (whose crunchiness I missed) I had all the measurements done & the only thing that really seemed to separate my "Explorerweirdness" (from Gatherer), is just my nonniehood??!!

On that matter, I am not convinced Pathways lab didn't stuff that up tbh, as they lost my sample for weeks (in summer), sent me a new kit, then found & tested the original ::) I don't trust it & had no reply when I emailed re this (lab has since closed) Waste of $50 imo :( But either way Explorer vs nonnie = similar issues & hey maybe I am actually just a double dose :-/

Anyway recently I went through the entire list of "oxalate" foods & found I could tick "having reactions to" on every single one of the medium & high/very high foods!! Funnily enough (or not) they are pretty well all on the explorer list of avoids... :D

So I am now going to try to follow Explorer to a T (avoiding anything beneficial, that is clearly high oxalate related - ie sardines for one??) I need to especially stoke up on the diamonds etc, rather than simply limping by, "avoiding the avoids" & getting confused between those avoids which are SF/Bennies on the Gatherer diet (which I have tried to do to date)?! :D ::)

Sometimes when I have got overwhelmed (or ran out of time after fixing Mr Hungry Hunter's food first - who skips brekky & lunch too often) I have snacked on nuts &/or dark chocolate to tied me over & then not been motivated/hungry enough to eat properly :B ) Interestingly enough (but not surprisingly) both are high-very high in oxalates :o
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, February 18, 2012, 1:36am; Reply: 49
P.S. I thought about apologizing for hijacking, but I figure this might help answer anyone else's questions?

Also wanted to add, in case I came across as negative re the ER4YT (which I am so not) - Dr D obviously got it right re the Explorer stuff - as the more I study, the more I find that salicylates, sulphites, sulphur, environmental reactions, oxalates etc etc are the things that come strongly in to play for Explorers...

If anything, I think any confusion/problems that comes from this - for Explorers (or maybe it is just me) could be the fact that unfortunately Explorers can be ANY BT's ::) But I guess all those queries should get answered with Swami??  :-/
Posted by: yvonneb, Saturday, February 18, 2012, 10:38pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from Pixitron
Hi, recently bought genotype diet book and took tests to determine my genotype. But I am really part Hunter part Gatherer, what do I do? I am blood type O +, my torso is longer than my legs, my upper legs longer than lower and there is a small gap at the back of my legs, plus oval face with wide angle jaw and index and ring fingers same size on both hands (thus we say index is longer). All Gatherer so far. However, I have spade teeth and no extra bit on the molar, my finger prints are identical left and right and I have a lot of white lines in them. My head is long, my waist to hip is average and when putting my fingers around my wrist I am ectomorph, although I am short and consider myself pear shaped. I have instances of both arthritis and diabetes and high blood pressure in my parents and grand parents. I have poly cystic ovaries nd trouble with acne and show early signs of insulin resistance. Don't know whether to follow hunter or gatherer, help!


My measurements are exactly the same as yours!!
The book had me as a gatherer because of the finger measurements, but SWAMI made me a hunter. For arguments sake I played around with assumed different finger measurements, since I found those hard to take accurately and they had NO bearing whatsoever on my hunter-ness ;D!!
Neither did if my legs were andric or neutral or if I was a taster or supertaster.

SWAMI must therefore put more emphasis on the combination of all the info it asks of you, which is more than in the book.

Someone posted here that they eat the beneficial foods for both gatherer and hunter.
I did that too while I waited for the SWAMI to arrive so I'd be done with the 'washing out' period and could jump straight in :)
In retrospect...it was quite restrictive and hard to stick to and I did not feel very good on it (even though I expected I would :-/).

So, my advice is, if you can, buy SWAMI it'd be excellent for ALL your health issues.
Or....be brave and eat 100% gatherer diet for a few weeks and then change to 100% hunter and see which one made you feel better with the least symptoms.
Always, always blame the food- and, you MUST keep a food diary!
A necessary pain as some reactions to food only show a day or two later :)

Best of Luck!
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, February 19, 2012, 1:02am; Reply: 51
Thinking of you and wishing you the best in finding what is right for you, Possum! :)
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, February 19, 2012, 1:06am; Reply: 52
Thanks cajun - that's so sweet of you (sometimes it is still easy to feel all alone...)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 19, 2012, 2:40am; Reply: 53
Quoted from yvonneb

SWAMI must therefore put more emphasis on the combination of all the info it asks of you, which is more than in the book.

So, my advice is, if you can, buy SWAMI it'd be excellent for ALL your health issues.


I agree!  (on both statements)  (hehe)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, February 19, 2012, 6:59am; Reply: 54
Quoted from Pixitron
So does swami give you a diet that is a mix of genotypes? Or does it show you which is majority and give you that diet? I want to follow the genotype diet, but cannot commit to such change with doubts in my mind about whether I am doing the right thing for my health, really want a diet that suits me, part hunter, part gatherers and a little explorer...


Swami will show you which genotype you express the most....and it may be verry close, but then based on your particulars, it will craft a diet that addresses all your issues.

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