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Posted by: honeybee, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:08am
I have high testosterone. Found out yesterday from results of a saliva test. I am not sure if the high T is from an ovarian cyst that may be testosterone producing, or if the ovarian cyst developed from high T...  ::)

Hormones seem so difficult to understand - there are many contra-indications with foods and supps (grapefruit juice? maca? bio-identicals??). Not sure where to start..
Posted by: Dianne, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:12am; Reply: 1
Perhaps a phone consult with Dr. Nash like Balletomane has done?  :)
Posted by: honeybee, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:18am; Reply: 2
Hi Dianne, that is on my wishlist  ;)
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:28am; Reply: 3
Quoted from honeybee
I have high testosterone. Found out yesterday from results of a saliva test. I am not sure if the high T is from an ovarian cyst that may be testosterone producing, or if the ovarian cyst developed from high T...  ::)

Hormones seem so difficult to understand
- there are many contra-indications with foods and supps (grapefruit juice? maca? bio-identicals??). Not sure where to start..
Personally I don't even understand what progesterone actually is :-/
Quoted from Dianne
Perhaps a phone consult with Dr. Nash like Balletomane has done?  :)
Any more practical day to day advice? & maybe on lowering testosterone & rebalancing estrogen?
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 6:52pm; Reply: 4
honeybee, have you been taking any herbs or other supplements or eating specific 'superfoods' that may be contributing to this imbalance?
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 8:23pm; Reply: 5
Perhaps your liver is a little over-active at the moment?
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, February 5, 2012, 8:51pm; Reply: 6
Sometimes related to PCOS (polycystic ovarian disease) and often blood sugar related.

This is just general information.  You'd have to tailor this to your genotype diet.

Women naturally have about one-tenth the amount of testosterone as men, but as they age, testosterone levels can rise. According to Dr. Abraham Kryger with the Monterey Preventive Medical Clinic, by the time a woman reaches 40, she can have testosterone levels approximately half that of a 20-year-old man's. Although high testosterone levels can have some beneficial side effects such as increased muscle mass and a higher libido, one common side effect many women do not care for is an increased growth of bodily hair. This condition, known as hirsutism, can be extremely annoying and embarrassing, but can easily be treated through a variety of natural remedies.

Step 1
Take nutritional supplements to lower your testosterone. Diindolylmethane, or DIM, is a natural supplement made from cauliflower and broccoli, and is known to reduce androgens, or male sex hormones (among which is testosterone). Taken daily, 120 mg of DIM should help correct your hormonal balance; 200 mg of Calcium-D-Glucarate, twice daily, may also help to get your hormones back in balance.

Step 2
Drink herbal teas or consume them in capsule or tincture form to help you lower your testosterone levels. Perhaps one of the best (and tastiest) herbs for correcting this problem is spearmint. Studies performed at the Suleyman Demirel University in Isparta, Turkey, show that women drinking two cups of spearmint tea for five days significantly lowered their androgen levels. Other herbs known to reduce testosterone levels include black cohosh (20 to 40 mg twice daily), saw palmetto (160 mg twice daily) and chaste tree (20 to 40 mg daily).

Step 3
Consult an acupuncturist regarding treatment for hirsutism and high testosterone. Although sufficient evidence has not been compiled to determine just how acupuncture can benefit women with high testosterone levels, the University of Maryland Medical Center reports that a small study of women treated with acupuncture for their hirsutism showed a reduction of hair length and density, as well as testosterone levels.
Posted by: honeybee, Monday, February 6, 2012, 10:33am; Reply: 7
The superfoods I have been taking are spirulina mostly, I was using chlorella too for most of last year.
I have some protein powder that contains a lil maca - I only use this occasionally.

My liver may well be over active, the scan I had on it 12mnths ago showed it was in great shape  :D
I am tweaking my swami and suspect I may get an explorer plan again... we'll see, I would not be surprised.

I am aware of DIM / I3c - I was taking Aromastat last year, but I only used 2-3 bottles of it which was a bit longer than recommended in the fem balancing protocol. I would like to order some more since I have had a 6 month break...and the fem balance supp also.

Interesting info re spearmint.. licorice is also indicated as T lowering - I have low blood pressure though...
I have tried a few months of vitex - stopped using it since I was taking more than in the protocol and heard it may cause depression.
Always pref to source food tweaks first if possible :)


Posted by: Victoria, Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:12pm; Reply: 8
Are you eating Goji (Lycium) Berries?  I have heard that they raise Testosterone.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, February 6, 2012, 7:15pm; Reply: 9
Reduce your intake of sugar and refined carbohydrates. Dr. Lee of Virginia Hopkins Health Watch states that excessive sugar and refined carbohydrate intake results in high insulin, which stimulates the hormones to produce male hormones.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/295880-how-do-i-reduce-high-testosterone-in-women/#ixzz1ldAWIqzV
Posted by: honeybee, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:09am; Reply: 10
Not eating goji - thank you for mentioning that Victoria - have been thinking about trying the juice lately, will hold off on that for now…

Chloe, sugar is my downfall... I usually stick to agave and honey but lately have let an array of contraband into my office (and freezer)  :-/

my plan is:
* watch the video Eric made on taking swami measurements to confirm I have all entered correct.
* stock up on agave (to make compliant snacks), fem balance and aromastat
* had initial visit to local Dr who specialises in bio-identicals - this week is the follow up re results of saliva test - will ask about the test accuracy - the test needs to be performed on day 21 - but my cycle has started being longer than 28 days by a few days each month for last 3 months  :-/
* a skype consult with Dr Nash once all the above are completed.
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 8:34pm; Reply: 11
The higher testosterone might be a compensating factor for the cyst.  Trying to directly reduce the testosterone might not be the best idea.

The way the hormones were explained to me was as a series of waterfall, with the end of many splitting and feeding others further down the system.  Some hormones receive the input from more than just one process as well, just to make matters more complicated.

It would be good to find a hormone specialist that thoroughly understands this.  Some non-Bio-identical hormones can lock onto the hormone receptor site and really mess up processes in your body.  Getting Bio-Identical hormones means you avoid that.  For this reason a specialist who shares the same view as you on the issue makes things easier.
Posted by: honeybee, Thursday, February 9, 2012, 6:58am; Reply: 12
Thanks Paul, I appreciate that. Hormones are not something to be messed with for sure.. love the waterfalls metaphor.

My appointment was tomorrow to discuss test results but they have had a system glitch there and had to reschedule me for March  >:(
Posted by: 17849 (Guest), Thursday, February 16, 2012, 4:26am; Reply: 13
I don't know where to go for help. So I'm trying here now.
I am 24 yrs old and was diagnosed with PCOS (the high testosterone levels that go with it) a few years ago. Every doctor I've seen wants me to take otc birth control pills (which according to eat right for your type, suppresses any estrogen production by the body). I want a natural remedy. I've been researching ways to reduce testosterone and raise estrogen levels. Focusing on foods I could eat rather than supplements which I do plan on looking into. It seems that the type O diet would raise testosterone levels. Lean red meat and broccoli just being a couple items that are highly beneficial for the type O diet but also said to increase testosterone. I could give up broccoli, but I love red meat.
Posted by: honeybee, Thursday, February 16, 2012, 4:52am; Reply: 14
hi & welcome WolfAngel

have you looked into finding a Dr who specialises in bio-identical hormone treatments?

The O diet can be tailored to suit you personally using the Genotype or SWAMI Xpress diet too...

http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm

http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm

Dr D recommends organic, hormone-free meat and dairy...

(Grapefruit juice is said to be beneficial in lowering testosterone I have been including it in my diet recently, freshly squeezed.)

Best of luck  :D
Posted by: honeybee, Thursday, February 16, 2012, 4:55am; Reply: 15
Oh and what are you typically eating on a daily basis at the moment?... If you would like some great feedback everyone here will be a great resource for you to bounce ideas and suggestions :)
Posted by: 17849 (Guest), Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:21pm; Reply: 16
I had not heard of bio-identical hormone treatments. I'm currently looking into that.
So if it is organic grass fed beef, it won't raise my testosterone?
I've never had grapefruit, I will try that thank you.
I've recently started trying to adhere to the blood type diet. I cut out the wheat tortillas I've been having, along with wheat pasta. I'm still eating a few black olives, fat free sour cream, and avacado. I wasn't sure why they were on the avoid lists but I've cut back on them so far. I found some gluten free rice pasta i intend on trying this upcoming week because my favorite thing is spaghetti with my moms recipe. I also have spaghetti squash instead of noodles, but its not quite the same. I was also thinking of trying lean beef steak instead of ground beef in the pasta sauce. I've been trying different fruits and vegies, especially on the highly beneficial list. I'm having brown rice sushi occasionaly. I haven't figured out a way to make cooked salmon edible. Still trying to find other things for main meals...
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 16, 2012, 10:49pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from 17849
I had not heard of bio-identical hormone treatments. I'm currently looking into that.
So if it is organic grass fed beef, it won't raise my testosterone?
I've never had grapefruit, I will try that thank you.
I've recently started trying to adhere to the blood type diet. I cut out the wheat tortillas I've been having, along with wheat pasta. I'm still eating a few black olives, fat free sour cream, and avacado. I wasn't sure why they were on the avoid lists but I've cut back on them so far. I found some gluten free rice pasta i intend on trying this upcoming week because my favorite thing is spaghetti with my moms recipe. I also have spaghetti squash instead of noodles, but its not quite the same. I was also thinking of trying lean beef steak instead of ground beef in the pasta sauce. I've been trying different fruits and vegies, especially on the highly beneficial list. I'm having brown rice sushi occasionaly. I haven't figured out a way to make cooked salmon edible. Still trying to find other things for main meals...


Welcome WolfAngel :)....and I have to say that for a blood type O, grass fed beef is your better option over
eating gluten free rice pasta. Should not raise blood sugar...should not cause testosterone
level to go up...

Going to explain...Read the package...Look at the amount of
carbs per serving in rice pasta..HIGH! ....Carbs from a processed grain (which is usually high in sugars) is going to raise your blood sugar which is what might be feeding that PCOS issue...which is related to hormone imbalance, specifically, higher testosterone.  Rather than try to balance with any type of hormone treatments right now.... if I were you I'd try eating way more vegetables and far less grains...and get all toxins out of your diet, slowly....You want to heal your gut....which isn't
really do-able when you eat toxins.

If given a choice between rice pasta and brown rice (which has at least some natural fiber which
would slow down the impact of carbs turning into sugar), I'd go for the brown rice...and keep
portions super low.  When you're trying to deal with a health issue, it's probably best to be
eating your most beneficial foods....and for an O, that would not be grains.  

Cutting back on all toxins for at least a few months might show you which foods are really
doing you harm.  Good that you've made some adjustments....but to really get well
it might have to take your most valiant effort....putting all your energy into getting plenty of exercise and eating mostly beneficial foods.

Next week, maybe try to eliminate another toxin or two....and see how you feel.

Do you have acne?  A classic sign of PCOS...

Do you know your blood sugar?  Ever measure it?  Might be good to buy an inexpensive blood sugar testing kit....and get a measurement after eating grains.  See if it's impacting your blood sugar.  If it is, buy Dr. D's book on Diabetes.  Learn which foods to increase, which ones to
eliminate....manage blood sugar.

What I do with salmon is grill it or bake it with herbs/EVOO. (olive oil)
Herbs that taste good are dill weed, parsley, thyme, and sea salt....

My daughter in law paints raw salmon with mustard combined with crushed almonds and herbs and bakes it at a high temperature for about 10-15 minutes in the oven....like 450 degrees...
Don't know if you can find a vinegar free mustard....Don't know if your food list allows mustard...
but when I'm using a small amount of a condiment and vinegar is listed low on the list of
ingredients, I often use a bit of it anyway and mix it with mayo.  Also you can make a natural mayonnaise ( in a blender using egg yolks, lemon juice and EVOO drizzled slowly in while blender is on till it forms an emulsion --plus herbs...painted on to the raw salmon....then baked -- it's yummy.  I sometimes add crushed almonds to the top of the mayo prior to baking too.

Any fish can be made "almondine" by cooking slivered almonds in some ghee in a frying pan
till they look lightly golden.....then placed on simply broiled, baked or pan seared fish.  Season to
taste.

Wishing you the best of luck on your BTD journey!  Feel free to ask questions...Here to help you
if we can. :)

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