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Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:36pm
Okay, I wouldn't say I have a case of depression, but I've been going through a lot of emotional stuff in recent months.  So much so that I've even flashed on the idea that maybe I need some sort of PHARMACEUTICAL *lol*, but of course, I wouldn't take any, not simply for being human and a sensitive one at that and going through some very emotional stuff.  I don't believe in drugging down natural life processes, whether it be physical illness or emotional pain, as you really need to treat the cause, ideally naturally, and with emotional stuff you also need to experience it and go through it versus tamping it down in any way.  Still, there is experiencing it, and then there is being overwhelmed with it.  And then there is wondering when it will ever end, or IF it will ever end.

So, that brings me to the point of this thread:  what supps are good for sort of calming, soothing and lifting one's mood (if one is a Type O--so no cava cava and no St. John's Wort, for examples)?  I do take CoQ10 for a variety of reasons (it is GREAT stuff) and I have noticed since way back when I started doing so a few years ago that it definitely gives me a sense of well being, among other surprising benefits.  I think I really must have needed CoQ10 because it does so many great things for me.  But anyway, I don't think there is enough CoQ10 in the world to help me now by itself.  What other supps do you guys find can take a sad sack and make it a gladder sack?
Posted by: gardengirl, Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:39pm; Reply: 1
There is a homeopathic supplement called Nat Mur you can google. I have also heard of SAMe but I think the Nat Mur is a lot more "instant".
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:55pm; Reply: 2
What about natural stuff like DHA, flax oil teaspoon two or three times a day depending on you other oil intake, also an egg a day.

walks in the country side, deep breathing, what sort of exercise are you doing.

is your water chlorine free, bot drinking and showing, airing your room everyday, you know the sort of stuff we all forget about sometime, that perk you up.

quiet time (that'll be difficult for you  ;)

what Dr D supps do you take already?

oxo
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:59pm; Reply: 3
I highly recommend Rhodiola tincture. It offers calmness without making you sleepy or lethargic, and there are no sudden highs or lows. It does take a couple of days for your emotional systems to get used to it--I was a little PMS-y for that time--but afterwards it works with no side effects, at least I had none.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:00pm; Reply: 4
Are you eating enough red meat? Are you exercising really hard, so hard you would not be able to carry on a conversation? The exercise would boost your endorphins and make you happier.
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:12pm; Reply: 5
As Brighid mentioned, rhodiola is the most amazing thing in the world. If & when I feel overwhelmed by life, this works like a charm and within a few days. It helps one to calm down and put everything into perspective. You put one foot in front of the other and feel solid and stable - no more stumbling! You don't feel lethagic or dull with this, good clear thinking. Wishing you the best.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:19pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from gardengirl
There is a homeopathic supplement called Nat Mur you can google. I have also heard of SAMe but I think the Nat Mur is a lot more "instant".

Thanks, g-girl.  If I'm remembering correctly (and I'll have to look it up to be sure), SAMe is an avoid for us O's.  I could be wrong about that.  I will look into "Nat Mur".  I usually am skeptical, frankly, of homeopathic remedies, although some of the principles of homeopathy do make elegant sense to me (like, "like curing like").  The thing is, I'm dubious of the remedies that have, like, one billionth of a particle of something in a tincture that is basically loaded with alcohol, and that is supposed to do anything other than pickle your liver, ya know?  However, I know that many intelligent, wise peeps in our community here SWEAR by, for example, the Bach Flower Remedies, which frankly I feel are an over-priced crock and, again, contain WAY too much alcohol, especially to administer to pets, which often seems to be what one certain one ("Rescue Remedy") is recommended for.  I bought it ONCE for a pet and after taking one whiff of it and realizing how much alcohol is in there, nixed it for said pet.  ANYWAY, I will still look into "Nat Mur" to see what it is all about.  Thanks again!   :K)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:26pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
What about natural stuff like DHA, flax oil teaspoon two or three times a day depending on you other oil intake, also an egg a day.

walks in the country side, deep breathing, what sort of exercise are you doing.

Well, I walk a LOT in really lovely settings with fresh air (except for the occasional vehicle exhaust or smoke from a smoker passing by, etc.)  I walk a lot and it is really my salvation, in terms of physical and psychological health, along with the GTD.  I do eat eggs quite often and I eat a lot of olive oil (a LOT), but I have never even purchased flax oil.  I think I will do that, thanks p-checker!  That's a great idea.  Flax!  It couldn't hurt.  I do get a lot of healthy omega's and stuff via the olive oil, for example.  I don't eat nearly as much wild salmon as I did pre-Fukushima.  So the flax is a tremendous idea.  Thanks again.  I'm gonna write this stuff down on a Post-It for my next trip to the HFS, seriously:  let's see, so far, we have "Nat-Mur" and "flax".  Again, I think SAMe is an O avoid, so I'll leave that one off the list for now.   ;D
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is your water chlorine free, bot drinking and showing, airing your room everyday, you know the sort of stuff we all forget about sometime, that perk you up.

Well, the water sitch in my city is a little odd:  instead of just chlorine, a few years back they switched to "chloramine", which is some scary combo of chlorine and ammonia.   :o  It is supposed to be better, as it is less chlorine, but I'm now stuck on the ammonia part!  Should we be drinking ammonia?  I'm guessing that's a NO.
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what Dr D supps do you take already?

oxo

The only supps I take already are CoQ10 (I swear by the stuff), daily (anywhere from 30 mg to 100 mg), and I also take Proberry Caps but not every day.  Just when I think I need an immune system boost (which is nearly daily in winter, with all the sick peeps around me at work all the time).  Sometimes (rarely), I also take Redoxa (if I'm exposed to free radicals, etc.) and I do have some Occubright which I keep forgetting about  ;D.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:31pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Brighid45
I highly recommend Rhodiola tincture. It offers calmness without making you sleepy or lethargic, and there are no sudden highs or lows. It does take a couple of days for your emotional systems to get used to it--I was a little PMS-y for that time--but afterwards it works with no side effects, at least I had none.

I recall you recommending this highly to other peeps and/or to me in the past, twinnie.  Maybe it's time I listen to you?  Okay, DONE:  I'm adding 'er to my Post-It.  We now have "flax, Nat-Mur, Rhodiola tincture" on there.  Not sure if I will actually get the Nat-Mur but I WILL get the flax oil and the Rhodiola.  THANKS!   :K) :K) :K)

As for it making one PMSy at first, I really hope that doesn't coincide with a meeting that is going to be set up with a social worker from a home health place between me, my mom and the social worker re God knows what (my mom isn't clear on it) but something about discussing her living situation, me thinks.  I'm nervous and apprehensive enough about that, PLUS I think I may already be entering a naturally PMSy period (no pun intended) of time.  This could put me over the top *lol*!  I will have to lock myself in the house for a week...oh, wait, I can't do that.  Well, watch the rhymes-with-duck out, world.  You could soon witness a twist on regular plus ENHANCED PMS!  Plus I'm already on a hair trigger lately.  Lock up the babies and hide the old ladies.

;D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:39pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from grey rabbit
Are you eating enough red meat? Are you exercising really hard, so hard you would not be able to carry on a conversation? The exercise would boost your endorphins and make you happier.

Actually, I'm probably not eating enough red meat.  I do eat it but not as frequently as when I was following the straight O diet.  The Gatherer diet is more turkey and stuff like that.  It seems to be even better for me, but sometimes, an O's got to have her RED MEAT.  I did just make a dish containing ground beef last week and ate it throughout the week (it lasted about 3 or 4 meals), so that was good.  I need to ensure that I do that consistently, though.

As for exercise, no, I don't usually exercise hard enough that I couldn't carry on a conversation while doing so.  I guess I should, and I could accomplish that via the dancing suggestion (which may have been in another thread, but anyway  ;D)  Simply dancing (especially to the pumped-up kind of techno/dance/house/trance music that I tend to favor, can certainly get one into the can't-talk-now-on-account-of-I'm-trying-to-breathe state.   ;D

I would try running but my knee cartilege is basically shot (my bro-in-law suggested that this summer; he and my sister are impressed with my weight loss, and he does running, which he was told he wouldn't be able to do, due to his knees, yet he did it anyway, so he feels I should TRY and see what comes of it.  I'm thinking a trip to the ER and injections of cortisone or something would come of it, so I tend to stick to walking, but maybe I could try running for, like, a BLOCK and just SEE if the world ends.  And, hey, it the world ends, that would take care of the sadness thing, yes?  But then who would care for my pets and meet with whoever this pup is that wants to me with me about my mom, etc.?  No, I have to stick around, so hopefully running for a block won't kill my knees...I'll try it...TODAY.  Whoa, did I just say that?  YES.)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 2:51pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Dianne
As Brighid mentioned, rhodiola is the most amazing thing in the world. If & when I feel overwhelmed by life, this works like a charm and within a few days. It helps one to calm down and put everything into perspective. You put one foot in front of the other and feel solid and stable - no more stumbling! You don't feel lethagic or dull with this, good clear thinking. Wishing you the best.

Thanks, that is really good, substantive feedback.  I don't want to get lethargic or spacy, although frankly spaciness would be an improvement over the kind of emotional tsunami I've been going through.  But calming down and putting things in perspective, that would NOT be something I'd turn my nose up at.  And solidness?  SO intense that you used the word "solid".  THAT is what I need:  I need some solid ground under my feet and to feel like the world is made up of solid matter again.  Lately, I've felt that everything and everyONE I thought was solid has turned to liquid and there is nothing and no one to count on, as no one and nothing are what they seem.  As an INFJ (intuitive personality type), if you start to doubt your intuition about people, it is scary.  Because that is basically the only thing we have going for us *lol*:  it's like if a bat or dolphin loses it's sonar.  It's like emotional vertigo.  It's interesting because I actually have experienced physical vertigo and that actually was going on right before this particular emotional tsunami began, so I often call it "emotional vertigo" when I try to describe it to people, as that is exactly, exactly a huge part of what I'm going through.  If somehow I could just get my orientation in the world back to where there is such a thing as SOLIDness that I could trust in, that would help me tremendously.

Man.  Reading that back, it sounds like I've really gone round the bend into total PSYCHOVILLE.  Really I haven't, but I'm just saying that stuff has gone on that has just made me not trust my own intuitions and instincts about people and, again, for an INFJ, that is particularly frightening.  And that is just part of it *sigh*.  There is also the aforementioned sadness, like grief-type sadness.

Yeah.  It's been fun.  When PT posts asking for supplements to help with emotions/mood, you know she's desperate, as I'm really big on dealing with all that stuff via things like diet, exercise, talking it out with friends, praying, etc.  But sometimes, it isn't enough.  That's when many in our wacky country would head to the doctor and ask for DRUGS.  But I definitely wouldn't do that, not for what I'm going through.  There are situations that call for that, but I think that 9 out of 10 Americans who are on drugs for things like depression, do not need to be, because there are better, safer, more effective ways of approaching it.  Anyway, I'm not exactly depressed, myself.  This is kind of the opposite of depression:  this is feeling everything TOO MUCH.  Depression would be an upgrade *lol*.  No, not really.  Actually, even through the worst of this, I've been grateful that I am at a point in my life at which I can and do allow myself to feel my feelings.  It's just that they are a tad on the intense, overwhelming and seemingly neverending side right now, so if I could just mellow them out (not suppress them, just sort of "horse whisper" them into a mellower version of themselves or something), that would be a good thing.

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, January 23, 2012, 3:31pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from grey rabbit
Are you eating enough red meat? Are you exercising really hard, so hard you would not be able to carry on a conversation? The exercise would boost your endorphins and make you happier.

;D
Posted by: Jane, Monday, January 23, 2012, 3:37pm; Reply: 12
I didn't have time to read the whole thread, E, but in a word, Catechol.  That's Dr. D's Rhodiola and it's got some other stuff in there and it's perfect for O's.  I started taking it when my father was dying back in '06 and it worked like a charm.  The past 2 weeks I've had some pretty heavy stuff happening too....and I depend on it.
(((HUGS)))
Jane
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 23, 2012, 3:37pm; Reply: 13
If you don't want to take the Rhodiola in a tincture form, look for it in caps. I have bought mine (both tincture and caps) from Mountain Rose Herbs and been very satisfied with price and quality.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 4:20pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Jane
I didn't have time to read the whole thread, E, but in a word, Catechol.  That's Dr. D's Rhodiola and it's got some other stuff in there and it's perfect for O's.  I started taking it when my father was dying back in '06 and it worked like a charm.  The past 2 weeks I've had some pretty heavy stuff happening too....and I depend on it.
(((HUGS)))
Jane

Thanks, Jane, I forgot all about Catechol!!!!!!!!!  I ordered some many years ago.  I'm not sure if the formula was the same back then--has it always had the Rhodiola?  Anyway, I will order some RIGHT NOW.  I appreciate your sharing specifically that it helped when your dad was dying, because there are similarities between the kinds of emotions and stress I'm experiencing now and that.  One thing is my mom doing worse and worse, and having to face up to that and deal with stuff to do with it.  And the other thing, well, you know what it is, and it also involves emotional grieving and it is the thing that has thrown me for several loops for months on end.

Like I said, I forgot all about Catechol!  And since it has the Rhodiola in it, that's phenomenal, as I'll be getting that, plus whatever else Dr. D has put in there because it works symbiotically to help us O's.  If I can get a supp from Dr D, I prefer it, as NAP stuff is high quality, and customized by Dr. D.  It doesn't get better than that.  I'm ordering it now.  BYE!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 4:21pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Brighid45
If you don't want to take the Rhodiola in a tincture form, look for it in caps. I have bought mine (both tincture and caps) from Mountain Rose Herbs and been very satisfied with price and quality.

I think I'll go with it in the Catechol.  Do you think that will provide enough of it, specifically?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 4:30pm; Reply: 16
Brig (and Jane), I just ordered the Catechol.  I notice it also has tyrosine, which you have also highly recommended in the past for things like cravings, mood issues and PMS (which can all be hormonal and also can all be stress-related).  Looking forward to ingesting some!  I also ordered some Proberry because one can never have too much Proberry on hand this time of year and my current bottle of the caps is only about half full anymore.  Might as well load as much in there on one order's shipping and handling as possible, that's my view!   :)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 4:34pm; Reply: 17
Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far with such great suggs.  It is much appreciated.  I've been meaning to post this thread for a while now.  When something gets to the point where it is overwhelming you so much that you neglect things like bills, etc., until you get pink envelopes in the mail saying things like "Perhaps you did not realize, on account of being overwhelmed by emotion at the present juncture, that you did not pay your CAR INSURANCE and so now we are sending you this friendly cancellation notice", it is time to face the music that you are, in fact, overwhelmed.

I hope these supps, in conjunction with all the other stuff I'm doing (diet, exercise, prayer, leaning on buds, etc.) can help me return to a regular state of whelmedness versus being overly whelmed.   ;) ;D
Posted by: Joyce, Monday, January 23, 2012, 5:12pm; Reply: 18
I've felt better since putting a bit of iodine tincture on my skin every day.  It's gone in 24 hours.  I started because I'm picking up all kinds of minor? bugs since moving area and a cattle farmer mentioned they use it on the cows to improve their immunity.
Might be pure coincidence of course  :-/
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, January 23, 2012, 5:56pm; Reply: 19
1. Instead of the walks, jog your regular route.  That will get you to that point where you couldn't carry on a conversation and give you the extra "boost" you need.  

2. Catechol = Type O ---->  Dr. D has figured out the correct amount you need already.

3. Do something for someone else.   Volunteer your time, bring them a fruit basket, give something you made away.  When you get the focus off yourself, your mood will lift.  

Sharing with the best of intentions.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 23, 2012, 6:06pm; Reply: 20
5-HTP is on the "anti stress protocol" for nonnies. It promotes seratonin production.

Rhodiola root is reccomended for Os and helps to boost dopamine.

I strongly reccomend the book The Mood Cure by Julia Ross to help figure out which brain chemicals you personally need boosting right now, based on your symptoms. But then double-check supplements against Dr D's protocols; some of the specifics she reccomends aren't the best choices for Os.

Stress tends to make you need more B vitamins, so supplementing with B complex and/or specific B vitamins may be helpful. Low vitamin D can cause depression (but you live in Florida and walk outside daily, so it's possible your D levels are fine. Still, check it out.) Really, any nutritional deficiency can lead to depression/feeling overwhelmed. And, of course, exercise, eat lots of protien, and avoid sugars.

To get at the root cause of the sadness, look at Bach Flower Remedies. They're similar to homeopathics (though homeopathic purists will argue otherwise.) They work on the psychic/energy level, releasing emotional blockages, helping you to work through your deeper issues. Sometimes they work within minutes, but other times you need to use the remedy for weeks or months before you fully un-block the "stuck energy." It depends on how deeply rooted that particular emotion is.

There are 39 different remedies, and you can take up to 5 at a time. I can't advise you on what specific remedies you need without knowing a LOT more about your feelings and siutation than you've shared online. Elm is the one for "feeling overwhelmed" but you may need others in combination with it. I reccomend you get out a few books on the topic from your local library and read through them, which will help you figure out which remedies are likely to help you right now. You can also find descriptions of remedies online, usually from sites selling them, but I've found the books to be much more detailed. The remedies are available online or at stores such as Whole Foods.

When I use the Bach remedies, I figure out which remedies I need and put 2 drops of each in a "mixer bottle" of water. Then I take a few drops of that mixture a few times a day. There amount of alcohol per dose is negligable. There's about half an ounce of alcohol per little bottle, and those bottles last me something like 10 years!
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, January 23, 2012, 6:19pm; Reply: 21
Sorry I didn't read the whole thread but I second Jane in recommending Catechol and am glad PT you have ordered some now. Last time when I consulted Dr. Nash, she prescribed it twice a day for me and it really has worked it charm! I'm a much calmer person now, compared with the wreck that I was in the last quarter.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 7:59pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I strongly reccomend the book The Mood Cure by Julia Ross to help figure out which brain chemicals you personally need boosting right now, based on your symptoms.

Well, chicken and egg-wise in this case, it isn't that my brain chemicals went haywire and now I need to figure out what to do to help them, as actually, particularly since starting the GTD in 2008, my brain chemistry/biochemical balance in all systems is really optimized to a point and with a consistency and strength (strength, as in, even severe stress doesn't seem to throw me out of this balance, but what's going on lately with me is not exactly "stress" but more emotional pain/grief--diff animal) that never ceases to amaze me.  Even through the worst of my boss harassing me several years back, I was very even keel in terms of no cravings, keeping my own cool in the face of all that was going on, feeling strong and healthy physically and emotionally, etc.   The thing now is that, without going into details, emotions have been triggered to come up and BOY, did they come come up like a long-dormant geyser, and so maybe I'm just arguing semantics with you, but it isn't that something was missing or out of balance in my diet/supplementation that has led to me needing to "fix" that.  It is that something emotional triggered emotions to come up, and while that is natural and healthy, the intensity and long-lived-ness, if you will, of it is what I'm now thinking is ENOUGH ALREADY and I may need more than just a whole foods diet, good exercising program, and good destressing tactics in my life to cope with, which is why I'm thinking some supplements to basically calm and lift one's mood could be in order.

Just saying, it isn't that my biochemistry was outta balance when this started, or even now.  Actually, again, I'm amazed at the power of the GTD and this whole lifestyle, and it has gone a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to getting me through all this, yet sometimes, ya just need a little extra help from all quarters, and I feel that supplementation could be a quarter that I need to peer into for signs of help *lol*.

I'm already eating right, exercising (will try to see if I can run without killing my knees, as discussed earlier in the thread, so kk, read some of the earlier posts, lovie  :K...that may be a way to boost my mood via exercise more than just walking--wait a hair, kk, maybe it was in another thread that we were discussing jogging/running:  if so, sorry!  ;D), trying to get enough sleep, getting outside myself by doing for others, blah blah BLAH but supplementation has been something I've sort of overlooked.  Anyway, I ordered the Catechol (has Rhodiola and tyrosine, etc.) and will look into the "Nat-Mur".  The 5HTP is another rocking sugg, thanks r!  You all are definitely my go-to peeps.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:00pm; Reply: 23
Yeah, the more I think of it, 5HTP could be key.  I could def use some extra seratonin up in hea!  Bring it!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:04pm; Reply: 24
R-girl, just to clarify (as I feel I was a bit cloudy on the what-the-heck-do-I-mean front), I'm not sure my brain chemistry needs balancing, I think it is more a case of pure, long-buried EMOTION coming up, which again, is not a bad thing, albiet overwhelming.  It's most undoubtedly a healthy thing, actually.  BUT the thing is that "too much of a good thing is not a good thing", in the sense of, when one's emotions are basically overwhelming one for months on end, then it may be time for some sort of plant-based intervention *lol*, that maybe could at least CALM things and flip a switch to maybe move things to a less intense gear.

I hope that is making sense.

edited to add:  a truckload of THERAPY probably wouldn't go amiss right about now, either, but I'm not sure that anyone could really help with this, any more than therapy I've already had in life, thus have under my belt, can be called up to help in this sitch.  I mean, I'm not sure there is anything new that anyone could add, unless they have been through this, which they undoubtedly have not.  I do think that talking to someone who has been through something similar would help, and I'm working on arranging that.  Still, I've had a lot of therapy (and help from a 12-step group called Adult Children of Alcoholics, which profoundly helped me and the things I learned from it continue to help me in life), back in the day, so I basically know what one should do, in general, to help one get through stuff in a healthy way.  It's just that, sometimes, the specific stuff in question is so INTENSE, and goes on long enough with no end in sight, as to inspire a thread on:  IS THERE SOMETHING I CAN TAKE TO HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!   ;D
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:14pm; Reply: 25
I'd go or for l'tyrosine or sam-e , even DL-phenylalanine might do the trick instead of l'tyrosine..... B-complex and Vit. C. mg and some nice carresses might work wonders' as well ;) ;D :K) from Isa

p.s.

have got the tip about *traumeel-tablets*... yup they are really good also for mental trauma....(smarty)(clap)(ok)(smile)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:23pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from ruthiegirl
To get at the root cause of the sadness, look at Bach Flower Remedies.

Duuuude.  I appreciate what you said on the 5HTP and the B vities, but did you per chance not read what I wrote earlier in the thread re my view on Bach flower remedies?  I'm not a fan, let's just put it that way.  However, I appreciate all suggestions in this thread and the thoughtfulness and caring of all who give them.  And, like I said, your 5HTP and B vities suggs ROCK!  In fact, I have been adding nutritional yeast (loaded with B's) to a lot of stuff lately.  God, I love that stuff.  LOVE it, I tells ya.  Love.  It.

Okay, even my writing style in this thread sounds rather INSANE.   ;D  I hope the Catechol arrives soon.   8)

Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:27pm; Reply: 27
Okay Twisty, here's KK's unsolicited two cents.


Maybe your spirit is telling you, okay, you've got your health and weight loss goals under control, you're doing fabuloso in those areas, now it's time to deal with this issue you've buried.  Time to bring it up, really look at it, examine it in ways you never have before, see it for what it "really" is (the meaning behind our minds eye, and not what we "think" the issue is) and let it go.

If you go back to Caroline Myss' stuff (which you know me, I always do), there is a lesson in everything that we experience and we can choose to let that even rule our life today, or take that experience and let it make us better people, tomorrow.  (I posted some of this on the I Got Fired thread.)

Sharing with the best of intentions.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:29pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Amazone I.
I'd go or for l'tyrosine or sam-e , even DL-phenylalanine might do the trick instead of l'tyrosine..... B-complex and Vit. C. mg and some nice carresses might work wonders' as well ;) ;D :K) from Isa

p.s.

have got the tip about *traumeel-tablets*... yup they are really good also for mental trauma....(smarty)(clap)(ok)(smile)

Amazone, my love, I'm glad to see you pop into this thread!!!!!  For once, my problem IS emotional/psychological *LOL*, so this would be the perfect time for you to say "Sarno" and not have me yell at you  ;D (woot).  Actually, no, because my back is holding its own, though it is one huge spasm, but that is because I haven't been to the chiro in A YEAR *sigh*.  I'm going next month, come heck or high water.  But I digress:  What is a "traumeel-tablet", dare I ask?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:43pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from KimonoKat
Okay Twisty, here's KK's unsolicited two cents.

Maybe your spirit is telling you, okay, you've got your health and weight loss goals under control, you're doing fabuloso in those areas, now it's time to deal with this issue you've buried.

Dude, why are you always this oracle of TRUTH!   ;D  FYI, in my defense, I didn't bury anything CONSCIOUSLY, point one.  But yes, turns out I did bury my emotions/feelings on something, BIG TIME.  Point two, also in fairness to ye olde self here, I didn't KNOW about several aspects of this thing that have thrown me for a loop, so chunks of this are new stuff and then other chunks are old stuff and it is all geysering out together in one huge ...well, geyser of something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Quoted from KimonoKat
Time to bring it up, really look at it, examine it in ways you never have before, see it for what it "really" is (the meaning behind our minds eye, and not what we "think" the issue is) and let it go.

Oh, trust me, dearest old board bud, I have TOTALLY done and continue to do the bringing it up (actually, it CAME UP, and could not be stopped--geyser metaphor, again), really looking at it (no one on earth could really look at anything more than I've really looked at this), examining it in ways I never have before (again:  been doing that and still am, for MONTHS), and the seeing it for what it really is (trying!).  But as for the "letting it go", aaaaaaaaaaaah:  seeeeee, that's the kicker.  There are a lot of aspects of the "it" and some I'm willing to let go, some I'm NOT, some I don't know if I can or should or want to or WHATEVER.  Some its are sticky wickITS.  Good Lord, I've clearly lost it.  Talk amongst yourselves.   ;D
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If you go back to Caroline Myss' stuff (which you know me, I always do)

:D :K) :K) :K)  LOVE YOU, kk!!!!!!!  Believe it or not, some stuff you said to me in the past that I thought, what the heck, at the time, has become some of my most treasured wisdom pearls since.  Like "learn to be comfortable in your discomfort".  Other stuff, I realized and agreed was brilliant even as you said it, like "everything is part of Life School", so everything is valuable.  I myself, via my experiences in life, have learned that, in all our losses, are also gifts.  In fact, often we learn the most through our most challenging experiences.
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...there is a lesson in everything that we experience and we can choose to let that even rule our life today, or take that experience and let it make us better people, tomorrow.  (I posted some of this on the I Got Fired thread.)

Yeup.  Oh, that was a typo spelling of either yep or yup, but I kinda like it as "Yeup", so I'm leaving it *lol*.  I like the dialect.  Should be said whilst wearing overalls and eatin' boiled peanuts in a rocking chair on a front porch.   ;D  Seriously, where I was going before rhapsodizing about my typo is here:  you are insightful and intuitive to realize that a lot of what is going on is that, EVENTUALLY, I'm gonna have to let some of this go...allowing myself to feel it first is vitally important, is what I think...yet at some point, it's like...oooooookay, and you think you will be able to move off a dime on any of this when, PT?  Answer key:  at present, that is an unknown, so bring on the Catechol, bring on da funk!

(happy_gangsta)
Posted by: Spring, Monday, January 23, 2012, 8:47pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Joyce
I've felt better since putting a bit of iodine tincture on my skin every day.  It's gone in 24 hours.  I started because I'm picking up all kinds of minor? bugs since moving area and a cattle farmer mentioned they use it on the cows to improve their immunity.Might be pure coincidence of course  :-/

I don't doubt for a minute that the iodine has helped you! I'm all for it. Also, don't forget the selenium to take along with it! I am taking 50 mcgs. at present, by mouth, of course! Makes a lot of difference in the way I feel when I use these two together.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:00pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
R-girl, just to clarify (as I feel I was a bit cloudy on the what-the-heck-do-I-mean front), I'm not sure my brain chemistry needs balancing, I think it is more a case of pure, long-buried EMOTION coming up,


OK, but the very act of dealing with this geyser of emotions can and does affect your brain chemistry, if only temporarily. I'm suggesting this book to help you figure out which kinds of supplements are likely to help you. Not that you'll need the supps forever, but you need a little help keeping yourself functional while you're riding this roller coaster.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:09pm; Reply: 32
I just read my way through this entire thread & first of all, want to give you {{{hugs}}} So wish I could give them in person!! & then...my thoughts (for what they are worth)??!!
4 things came to mind...

1) I am so sorry you were writing all this while I slept blissfully unaware..

2) Wonder why nobody has mentioned magnesium? As you know, it is needed for over 300 functions... & along with B's, both are depleted in times of stress (stress can even be excitement stress - which I know this sure aint)
So up the magnesium AND the B's (you may be needing more than what you get from your nutritional yeast)

3)This period of intense sadness could also be coming from entering the dreaded perimenopause??!! I went through some pretty intense sadness, which I initially put down to simply adjusting to new people (not very well), new place ie "homesickness" among a few other things - turns out it was perimeno rearing its head...which brings me to -

4)As KK touched on - burying stuff - we sail along being able to push stuff down until our hormones get the better of us :-/ & you also have the situation with your Mother thrown in to cope with...Sooo never an easy time when our parents get to that inevitable stage I know what that feels like (as do a lot of us)

I always think it is such a strange fact that most of us go through the aging & eventual death of a parent, right about the same time unfortunately, that our teenagers are "mucking up" (NB trying to be light here not flippant ;)) Be thankful you don't have any of those around to contend with at this time ??) Cyber hugs coming at you!!
Posted by: Spring, Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:11pm; Reply: 33
PT, there is no question but there is someone out there who could relate perfectly to your feelings. I went through a time of INTENSE feelings such as you are having, only I was a few years younger, and I couldn't seem to get rid of them to save my life. Simply the passing of time alleviated most of them, but I did have some very good, general support while I was going through it. No wonder you have been missing the board! :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:13pm; Reply: 34
;D ;D :K)(clap)(ok)(dance)brava dearle brava ;) ;D

traumeel tablets are homeopathic remedies against all kinds of beau-beau's even mental-ones ;)
I use it coz of the interaction of Yaeli while having lost a very longtime relationship lately... and I only can say yessssss beautiful stuff ...even that I was lactose intolerant... I can stand this stuff ... http://www.heel.de   hope this also works in *inglish* language... btw... Sarno isn't that bad... but I prefer also Louise Hay ;) ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:49pm; Reply: 35
Traumeel in USA:
http://www.traumeel.com/

All Heel USA products:
http://www.heelusa.com/Products/Default.aspx
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 23, 2012, 10:41pm; Reply: 36
:o thanx AB-confrère but in Europe more stuffs are mentioned and it isn't only against inflammatory issues.... :-/
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 6:41am; Reply: 37
Quoted from KimonoKat
now it's time to deal with this issue you've buried.  Time to bring it up, really look at it, examine it in ways you never have before, see it for what it "really" is (the meaning behind our minds eye, and not what we "think" the issue is) and let it go
You can't do this all by yourself. It doesn't work this way. In order to do this, you need personal companionship.


"Raba said: Hence the saying, Either companionship or death." Ta'anith, 23a.

Posted by: snazzyshazz, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 8:04am; Reply: 38
I so sympathize with you, PT. I have tried or am on Rhodiola, iodine, Bach remedies, more red meat (and then some) plus an endless array of other helps and I have finally come to the conclusion that it sometimes isn't as simple as taking more supps.

Then I had the very good fortune to come across 2 books written by the same guy, who is a therapist. They are proving to be of enormous help to me, and to friends whom I have passed on this info. The books are "The Happiness Trap", and "The Reality Slap" both written by Russ Harris. Easy to read, insightful, very practical, but what's even better...works!!! No matter what the emotions are, or how overwhelming they are, or when/where they hit. Not your regular self-help approach, might I add, for anyone who might be thinking "just another therapy book!!
Posted by: grey rabbit, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 1:18pm; Reply: 39
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but what's going on lately with me is not exactly "stress" but more emotional pain/grief--diff animal)


I disagree, what you are dealing with is very much stress, just a different kind of stress than what you've dealt with in the past. In fact, it could be even worse because you are sad, the sadness will amplify the stress on a physiological level - you might not even realize what it's doing to you physically. Sending good vibes, hoping you find an answer that's a good fit for you.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 1:37pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from ruthiegirl


OK, but the very act of dealing with this geyser of emotions can and does affect your brain chemistry, if only temporarily.

Very true.  Actually, the worst of it is over (I hope!).  The first three months were the most emotional.  The first 7 months were emotional.  I'm now in month 8 and not as emotional, so that's progress.  No more geyser, although it is right under the surface and I can easily tap into it at any time.  But it isn't "geysing" (lol) up outta control anymore.  It's just that I'm still going through a lot and I feel that some well-placed, plant-based assistance wouldn't go amiss.   ;)
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I'm suggesting this book to help you figure out which kinds of supplements are likely to help you. Not that you'll need the supps forever, but you need a little help keeping yourself functional while you're riding this roller coaster.

Exactly.  We're on the same page.   :K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 1:48pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from Possum
I just read my way through this entire thread & first of all, want to give you {{{hugs}}} So wish I could give them in person!! & then...my thoughts (for what they are worth)??!!
4 things came to mind...

1) I am so sorry you were writing all this while I slept blissfully unaware..

Okay, first of all, Possum, bless your cheeky heart:  thanks for the hug and please know that neither you, nor any of us, are obligated to keep vigil on the board 24/7 just in case someone needs support.  The lovely thing about how this community has evolved is that there is usually SOMEONE(S) around at any given time, and we all care, and eventually we will see stuff...okay, so I myself have only been around sporadically of late, due to internet access and time issues, and sometimes I do miss posts that I wish I had seen--or I don't wish I had seen because I don't even know they exist to wish I'd seen *lol*--but we all do the best we can to be here for each other, and that is all we can do.  It ends up working out that this is a VERY supportive community.  So no worries if you take a few hours off every now and then to SLEEP and stuff.   ;D

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3)This period of intense sadness could also be coming from entering the dreaded perimenopause??!! I went through some pretty intense sadness, which I initially put down to simply adjusting to new people (not very well), new place ie "homesickness" among a few other things - turns out it was perimeno rearing its head...which brings me to -

4)As KK touched on - burying stuff - we sail along being able to push stuff down until our hormones get the better of us :-/ & you also have the situation with your Mother thrown in to cope with...Sooo never an easy time when our parents get to that inevitable stage I know what that feels like (as do a lot of us)

Yeah, I think all of that is in the mix.  It is definitely to do with something specific that happened/came up in my life, and that triggered a lot of buried emotion to UNBURY itself and turn into Geyser City, plus yes, I think there could be some perimenapausal hormones involved, for SURE, plus all the stuff going on with my mom.  The mom stuff is now moving more to the fore, pushing this other stuff to more of a back burner position, which in a way is good, because SOMETHING's got to *lol*.  I wish my mom were fine and dandy and something else could push the other stuff off the front burner, but at least, if stuff has to be happening with/to my mom, at least one good thing is it gets my mind and heart OFF this other thing, even for a little while here and there.

All I can say is that this feeling and being human business is HARD.  When the walls come tumbling down...whew, geysers galore.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 1:49pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Amazone I.
;D ;D :K)(clap)(ok)(dance)brava dearle brava ;) ;D

traumeel tablets are homeopathic remedies against all kinds of beau-beau's even mental-ones ;)
I use it coz of the interaction of Yaeli while having lost a very longtime relationship lately... and I only can say yessssss beautiful stuff ...even that I was lactose intolerant... I can stand this stuff ... http://www.heel.de   hope this also works in *inglish* language... btw... Sarno isn't that bad... but I prefer also Louise Hay ;) ;D

Okay then, I will look into these mysterious traumeel tablets.  Thanks, Isa!   :K)
Posted by: mpolyglottos, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 2:22pm; Reply: 43
ever try ACUPUNCTURE?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:02pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from mpolyglottos
ever try ACUPUNCTURE?

No.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:05pm; Reply: 45
Ok, that traumeel website seems shady to me.  They don't list the ingredients.  It seems very slick:  long on sales pitches and short on SUBSTANTIVE INFO, and it is also basically an anti-inflammatory, from what I can discern.  Doesn't seem to be what I need and/or would trust to take even if I did need an anti-inflamatory, since, one, we have tons of good nutriceuticals (like bromelain) for that purpose that we know of from being part of this community and, two, again, the site seems shady, not listing their ingredients.  I'm gonna have to nix traumeel tablets, but thanks anyway, Isa.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:11pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

No.


Oh, you might love it Twisty.    I've never had a negative acupuncture experience.  It works with your energy fields via "meridians".

Maybe this is the time to have a new experience?  Try something you've never tried before?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 4:13pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Ok, that traumeel website seems shady to me.  They don't list the ingredients.  It seems very slick:  long on sales pitches and short on SUBSTANTIVE INFO, and it is also basically an anti-inflammatory, from what I can discern.  Doesn't seem to be what I need and/or would trust to take even if I did need an anti-inflamatory, since, one, we have tons of good nutriceuticals (like bromelain) for that purpose that we know of from being part of this community and, two, again, the site seems shady, not listing their ingredients.  I'm gonna have to nix traumeel tablets, but thanks anyway, Isa.


I've used TRAUMEEL® products for my entire bodywork career TWISTY.  The stuff is really, really good.  It's all natural, homeopathic.  I've never used it for emotional trauma though; only physical.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:43pm; Reply: 48
Oh, that's a horse of a different color, then, KK.  If you have personally used the traumeel products and they are excellent, then I withdraw my "seems shady" review of the site *lol*.  As for acupunture, I'm not against it, I was just answering the Q re have I tried it:  nope.

If anybody taps into my meridians, what if they hit another geyser?  Everybody better stand back if I ever get acupuncture, that's all I can say:  clear the area!   ;)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:47pm; Reply: 49
What I COULD definitely use right about now, the funk soul brutha, is a KK MASSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I have not been to my chiro in a YEAR and I plan to go next month, if he'll have me.  He'll lecture me for not going for so long.  Then I'll lecture him for not starting his own practice again and getting away from the horrible one he works for that screws up every claim they ever submit.  Then he'll adjust me and I'll be CURED!  Hallelujah!

But meanwhile, I could use a KK massage, big time.  I need some rolphing and I need it NOW.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 50
Rolphing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh, that would be the ticket.  But that's a whole other thread...yet perhaps the physical release of some areas that have been one big spasmy spasm of compressed nerves for months and months now would also result in some sort of emotional release, at which point I would launch into a chorus of "You make me feeling like dancing!" and sashay down the street, HEALED physically and emotionally.  So fly down here and git 'er done, kk.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 8:14pm; Reply: 51
PT....Sorry I don't have any suggestions to offer ..just wanted to send you some {{{{{hugs}}}}}}

I hope you find a solution that gets you past this temporary life-glitch.

:)
















Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 2:31am; Reply: 52
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Rolphing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh, that would be the ticket.  But that's a whole other thread...yet perhaps the physical release of some areas that have been one big spasmy spasm of compressed nerves for months and months now would also result in some sort of emotional release, at which point I would launch into a chorus of "You make me feeling like dancing!" and sashay down the street, HEALED physically and emotionally.  So fly down here and git 'er done, kk.


"Rolfing®" can bring out the deep seated emotions too.  Bring them to the surface; clear them.  It's not for everybody.

It's one of the areas that Heller brought out, when he branched off of Rolf's core work and developed "his method," HELLERWORK...which is basically Rolfing with the practitioner talking the client through the emotions that are brought up.

Your "one on one" issues are stored in our second chakra (hips, thighs, low back and reproductive organs). Any issue having to do with money, sex, power.  Feeling powerless, needing sexual power, etc.  Your finances are not really in the bank, they are in your low back.
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 6:05am; Reply: 53
Quoted from KimonoKat
Your finances are not really in the bank, they are in your low back.
8) (shy) (smarty) (clap)
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 2:19pm; Reply: 54
and the Ruiz modalities might fit in here too ;) ;D

be impaccable with your words
don't take anything personally
don't make assumptions
always do your best
be sceptical but learn to listen


                                ;D ;D ;D

and then I use essential oils also for pains of all kinds..... :o(dance)(ok)(woot)(hehe)(shhh).....
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 7:11am; Reply: 55
PT, I haven't gone through this thread properly, maybe it was already mentioned here:

My personal experience: Dr. D's Gatherer's trio!!!

Activator, Catalyst, Synergist.

I forgot all about it, until I've taken activator and catalyst just now. Even before actually taking them, my mood already brightens up. The body already knows what's waiting for it.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 1:49pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from Chloe
PT....Sorry I don't have any suggestions to offer ..just wanted to send you some {{{{{hugs}}}}}}

I hope you find a solution that gets you past this temporary life-glitch.

:)

Thanks, Chloe, I appreciate that a lot.  It's funny (life, that is), but the emotional situation I allude to in this thread has now been totally eclipsed by issues surrounding my mom's aging coming to the fore.  I was a complete basket case yesterday over it.  My worst fears in life are her aging and life and death issues around that, and dealing with my sister (who is a ball of resentment, basically) about it all.  But last night, after two sleepless nights and a very raw, emotional, teary day yesterday and the evening before, I realized something:  my mom and I had a good talk last night and I realized that, once we DO face things and update her will and meet with a lawyer and make some decisions, maybe--just maybe--I will actually feel BETTER than I have in years and years re my fears about all this.  Because, my boss (Cruella, of all people!!!!!!!!!!!) said something really, really important yesterday that I really, really heard and hit home.  I was in her office, in tears, re that I would need a long lunch to get a certain item for my mom and that I will be needing to take some time in upcoming weeks for certain appointments with her, etc., including with an elder law attorney, per the recommendation of a social worker evaluating her at the behest of her eye doctor.  Cru said it is vital that I get her ...whatever the terms are:  that I get designated as the one on her living will, etc.  I said that, years (decades) ago, my mom asked me and I expressed fear that my sister would resent it if I were the one making the decisions, so my mom decided to put her cousin on there instead.  Weirdly enough, while my mom and I were living in MD at the time and her cousin in NY (and my sister in Chicago), now my mom, me and my mom's cousin are all in the same city in FL--so her cousin is still a practical choice, EXCEPT she is no spring chicken herself, and she is away traveling a lot.  So I said that I should probably offer to do it, but I'm scared because my sister will resent me making the decisions.  So then Cru said:  "Edna, you won't be the one making the decisions.  You will be executing the decisions THAT YOUR MOTHER MAKES."  And it hit me:  omg, that is true.  And anybody (including my sister) who doesn't like that, can go straight to rhymes-with-swell.

So I talked to my mom last night and I said that, I want her to know that it has been decades since she asked me and, back then, I was a young, quaking ball of fear re my sister, and even though I'm still somewhat of a ball of fear re my sister (possibly sans the quaking), I will do it ANYWAY, if she wants me to.  All that matters is what SHE wants, and let the chips fall where they may.  She said, well, I appreciate that, but I still want Ginny (the cousin) to do it because she won't care about "pulling the plug", whereas you will agonize over it and worry about what Barbara (sister) will think, etc.  I said, mom, listen:  we have some time before we meet with the lawyer, I want you to think about what YOU WANT, in your heart, and if you want me to do it, I'm telling you that I have GROWN UP in the past few DECADES and I can do this and be the executor (that scares me, too) of the will/your estate if you want me to.  Whatever YOU want.  If anyone is mad at me afterwards, TOO BAD.  What I couldn't live with is if I didn't do what YOU want.

So anyway, she says she still wants Ginny to do it, but I'm going to talk to her more about it today, as Ginny is, like, 80 years old herself, so...I don't know about that whole thing.  IF she really wants Ginny, then she needs to, one, CHECK WITH GINNY to see if she is even still willing to do it--she may not even remember that she is on there now, and, two, she needs to tell the lawyer that we need to specify what happens if Ginny is out of town or whatever.

But my point is, I felt so much BETTER after talking to my mom, hard as it was and yes, we managed to get irritated with each other at certain points in the chat, etc., BUT we talked about it and I manned up and said:  I'll do WHATEVER.  Whatever YOU want, I'm there.  Frankly, I would be relieved if Ginny is still executor because THAT I don't even know that I could handle--I can barely manage my own finances and life, I'm really bad at all that kind of stuff.  But as far as the living will type "plug-pulling" decisions, all of a sudden I'm not as scared as I was about that, because--can't believe I'm gonna say this--Cruella is exactly right:  it won't be me making the decisions, it will be me EXECUTING my mom's wishes.  PERIOD.  And that is what I want to be able to say I did when I meet my maker.  Not that I instead said I didn't want to have the responsibility because Barbara might be mad at me.  The heck with that.

Sooooo...lots going on, but I do realize that, IF we can get some of this sorted out, maybe it will be a GOOD thing.  Maybe I'll feel calmer about it all than I have in many, many, MANY years.  I've been profoundly worried and scared about all this for all these years, ever since I wimped out on saying yes to my mom years ago.  At least now I told her, I will do it, and I WANT to do whatever you want.  And we'll talk more about it before she sees the lawyer.  But I already feel better!  Scared to death of other things surrounding her aging that are also demanding to be faced right now, but about the living will and end-of-life stuff, I feel BETTER because we are going to get it sorted out NOW and then, later, it will be my mom's wishes carried out, in the way she wants them carried out.  The elder law attorney is also going to help her sort out stuff to do with her assets, and just generally getting all her ducks in a row so that she can best be taken care of in future, etc.

As for the other situation that triggered this thread in the first place, that's a horse of a different color.  That horse has not gone away.  It is still there, in the background.  Yet that horse is temporarily eclipsed by this other horse, so that's one good thing about the current scary horse.

I hope my Catechol arrives soon *LOL!!!*   ;D
Posted by: grey rabbit, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 2:32pm; Reply: 57
Good for you PT, way to grow up! Good luck with everything you are dealing with, from what you are saying it feels like you do have the strength and wisdom to deal with all this.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 3:32pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from grey rabbit
Good for you PT, way to grow up! Good luck with everything you are dealing with, from what you are saying it feels like you do have the strength and wisdom to deal with all this.

Hopefully.  I think I just might be okay with all the stuff that has filled me with fear and dread all these years, namely, the living will stuff.  But as for the fact that, as my mom gets worse and worse in terms of her blindness, ability to walk even on a walker, etc., it is getting more and more responsibility on me for day-to-day life management stuff and I am really bad at that in my own life, let alone someone else's, let alone someone stubborn as a mule whose first reaction to anything and everything is to RESIST like a house afire (wait...do houses afire resist?  Well, you know what I mean).  But, this is a good time to employ ye olde helpful slogan "One day at a time."

:)

P.S.  It would be good if she were in a GOOD assisted living sitch (versus the independent living apt. she is in), but it turns out that regular humans (the 99%) can't afford those.  And she probably has just a hair above the monthly income needed to qualify for any help with it.  Apparently (political statement ahead--run for your lives now if you can't take it!), unless one is a failed, unethical corporation such as AIG or a war for oil, one doesn't get any help from our government which one has paid taxes to all one's life, especially if one is an actual human citizen who has raised two kids, worked for the government, no less, and played by the rules all her life.  In that case, you are on your own when you get old.  Our country does not care about people, only corporations.  End of politcal rant.
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 4:11pm; Reply: 59
PT, has anyone looked into the wherewithals out there that could benefit your mother with the assisted living option? Is your mother getting disabled in ways that she needs help with everyday living? I do know how to understand your situation in trying to weave through this maze. The more knowledge you have, the less fearful you will be. But making and executing plans for parents who need help can be against the grain in the worst way because it never feels right no matter what you do! And that doesn't always have a thing to do with their attitudes or anything, but becoming the "parent" is NOT comfortable in any sense of the word! My parents chose their two youngest children to take this responsibility. Do I need to say who was one of them? Thankfully, they didn't need as much help as many parents do. I doubt your mother's cousin would have a clue about how to help your mother unless she has done something like this before or worked with older people in general. Thankfully, I had worked with the legal aspects already and knew a lot of the ropes. But, granted, that has been a while ago! May the wind be at your back!
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 4:21pm; Reply: 60
Hopefully the eldercare atty will help her (and you) through the process and guide her about decisions about who can and should make decisions if she's unable to make them.  It's a very tough process but practically speaking (and you know I've been through this twice) you're the one who's there.  Both you and Barbara should be aware of who she designates as the person who makes decisions.  The way my parents had it set up, it was the other, then me, then my brother in that order.  They did back in the 90s.  When my mother was no longer able to make decisions, they had it changed so that she was out of the decision making process and so after my dad died in '06, it was clear that I was in charge of all decisions re her care, etc.
(((HUGS)))
Jane
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 6:30pm; Reply: 61
I think you WILL feel better once you get all those legal issues sorted out. Some of these worries may have been worrying you on a low level for years, so you'll face this and then it will be clearer than it's been in a while. And the other sitch will come up again when you're ready to deal with it.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 8:17pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I think you WILL feel better once you get all those legal issues sorted out. Some of these worries may have been worrying you on a low level for years, so you'll face this and then it will be clearer than it's been in a while. And the other sitch will come up again when you're ready to deal with it.

The other sitch can take a long walk of a short pier.  It's amazing how something can be all-consuming for months and then something else can come along and put it into sudden perspective, isn't it?  Nothing really matters right now except getting my mom squared away on various fronts, as best we can anyway.  You really need a lot of $$$$$ in this country to do truly proper squaring away, but we can do our best.

You are right that my mom's end-of-life "stuff" has been greatly worrying me on a low level for many years--years BEFORE she was ever old or blind or barely able to walk, etc.  Ever since I wimped out on saying yes to being her whatever-it-is-called (living will/advanced directive pup).  I've now let her know that I am willing to do it and I want to do it if that is what she wants.  And, like I said, we'll talk more about it.  I was hoping to on my lunch break (took an extra long one to do this) when I barrelled over there with something to set-up for her and to give her the list of elder law attorneys I came up with for her, but unfortunately, she was downstairs at lunch, so we couldn't talk and I also couldn't get her thing set up, but anyway...I digress.  Point being:  I am going to reiterate at some very near point the fact that I am willing to be in whatever role(s) she would like me to be in.  And if she does pick Ginny, I think I should be the alternate, if there is such a thing.  And once it is all done, then that's that on that.

The day-to-day sitch of her probably needing to be in an assisted living NOW, yet not being in one, is another worry, as apparently, either we would have to pay full price, which no one can afford, OR we have to somehow put her $$$ in trust for my sister and/or I, and then you have to wait FIVE YEARS after doing that in order for her to qualify for any help with assisted living.  And all because she has just a hair of a whisper more money than she would be allowed without doing all that to qualify for a "Medicaid waiver" in those AL places that accept that...IF I understand what the social worker was saying correctly--I'll know more after the elder law attorney.

ANYWAY:  you can see why the other sitch can take a long walk off a short pier.  I really have no time for my heart and/or head to be in any sort of non-working order due to any other sitch, so GET IT TOGETHER, heart and head  (naughty)  (hand).  Do NOT make me send you to military school!   ;D
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 8:22pm; Reply: 63
Yes there is a way to be the alternate.  Did you read my post above Ruthie's?
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 11:15pm; Reply: 64
PT...I think it was a turning point when you finally shared specifics about your concerns for your mom...Thanks for trusting us with your deepest feelings..Your experience is highly relevant to all who have older parents and for all who have lost elderly family members...  My sisters and I faced the same situation when my dad was alive..We are three daughters and my youngest sister wound up handling my dad's estate and planning for his ultimate demise...Ironically, my dad died instantly playing golf...(as he always said he would) at the age of 89 in perfect health...(except for a heart that gave out)...but at least we all had a definite plan in place just in case he required
an ALF or nursing home.  All went smoothly....and we all felt a sense of peace after the plans
were all clearly defined and agreed upon.  His loss was profound but at least we enjoyed his last
years alive without feeling great sadness.

Who expected that Cruella might have something useful to share with you....The universe
often sends us unexpected messages from the most unexpected people...:)  Call it a gift....
Cruella obviously was a messenger.

Happy for you that you were able to process some of your feelings....get thoughts out into the open...and face that you've got some decisions to make.  Often a lingering issue without any
thoughts for solving them can cast a heavy burden on us all... .Just having new information....a potential solution....thoughts that you can turn into action.....planning for the worst case scenario might bring you some much deserved peace!

More {{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}

...hang in there! :)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 65
Chloe - so well said!! I echo all the thoughts you so eloquently expressed ;)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 27, 2012, 8:33pm; Reply: 66
Guys, you all rock so much in a GOOD way.  Chloe, thank you for your very kind words.  They mean a lot.  Jane, yes I did see your post about the alternates being an option when designing a living will, but somehow I didn't see it until after my post that is later in the thread.  Such is the net.

My Catechol arrived yesterday and I took my first dose today at around noon-ish.  I was going to take it this morning, but when I read the directions, it advised that it is best taken away from meals, so since I had just eaten breakfast, I decided to wait 'til midday (I don't usually eat lunch on weekdays, I get outside and walk instead).  Anyway, took my first two capsules.  Not sure if they "did anything" or not, but I do feel pretty calm, cool and collected, so thar ya go.

Possum, you're my favorite Possum EVER.

Have a good weekend, all.  ((((((HUGE HUGS)))))))   :K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 27, 2012, 8:35pm; Reply: 67
P.S.  Did I ever mention that I LOVE this community?  My first site ever visited on the net and still my fave-o-faves.  Nothin' and no one, no how, beats you lot in the wonderfulness department.   :K)
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, January 27, 2012, 10:17pm; Reply: 68
hmmmm how I love the appearence from Don Miguel Ruiz: all about agreements ;) .....
be sceptical... but learn to listen...  ;) ;D :K) to all involved....
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, January 28, 2012, 1:08am; Reply: 69
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
My Catechol arrived yesterday and I took my first dose today at around noon-ish.  I was going to take it this morning, but when I read the directions, it advised that it is best taken away from meals, so since I had just eaten breakfast, I decided to wait 'til midday (I don't usually eat lunch on weekdays, I get outside and walk instead).  Anyway, took my first two capsules.  Not sure if they "did anything" or not, but I do feel pretty calm, cool and collected, so thar ya go.

Possum, you're my favorite Possum EVER.

Have a good weekend, all.  ((((((HUGE HUGS)))))))   :K)
Aww gee thanks :K) Sending more {{{hugs}}}
Glad your Catechol has arrived - hope your weekend is going well too ;)
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Saturday, January 28, 2012, 6:05pm; Reply: 70
Intermittent fasting, creative work, Bach flower essences and exercise.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, January 30, 2012, 7:43am; Reply: 71
AND, in the meantime, why wouldn't you download Dragon Herbs amazing catalogue from their website and browse from time to time? He makes some wonders.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 30, 2012, 8:43pm; Reply: 72
:o :-/ ??) please be aware of one thing... no... not one thing even more things:


1. we are not from asiatic origins

2. how would you want to make work herbs for will strength ??) this is merely a mental function and only can be done by adequate exercises or better said experiences...even herbs or amino's or whatever can't help here, this is a question of
about our own  mental strength..... 8)
I want to have an eye or better said a point onto organic or non-organic products or better said productions....nothing else....(shrug)(ondrugs) ;)

beware of dif. belief-systems ;) :D.... I need proofs!!!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 30, 2012, 9:24pm; Reply: 73
How are you doing now PT? If you took your first dose on Friday, then you've been on them for 4 days now. Are you seeing a significant difference?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 1, 2012, 1:52pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from ruthiegirl
How are you doing now PT? If you took your first dose on Friday, then you've been on them for 4 days now. Are you seeing a significant difference?

Ruthie, I want you to know I made a valiant effort to reply to your post yesterday, the 31st, January, 2012, common era (omg, as you can see, I’ve clearly gone over the edge, Catechol or no Catechol *lol*), but it was not to be.  Busy, busy, BUSY at work.  Was on FB for like two nanoseconds here and there, and that was it for the net.  Anyway, I’m getting started early today answering your Q, so that, hopefully, by the end of the day, max, I will have an actual post typed and ready to post.  Dare to dream!

Okay, your Q is:  how am I doing since the Catechol.  My answer is:  not sure.

Well, geez.  That was a shortie.  You’d think I could have typed that sometime yesterday, wouldn’t you?  Who knew it was gonna be that short?  Not I.  Maybe the Catechol is making my posts drastically shorter!  OMG!
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, February 4, 2012, 6:34am; Reply: 75
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Who knew it was gonna be that short?  Not I.  Maybe the Catechol is making my posts drastically shorter!  OMG!
;)  :D This is sweet.

Posted by: Tom Martens, Saturday, February 4, 2012, 7:19pm; Reply: 76
I'm sorry to hear about your situation.

PT, no pun intended but since it is wintertime are you getting enough sunshine?
Adopting an SAD protocol might help.(think)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:58pm; Reply: 77
Quoted from Tom Martens
I'm sorry to hear about your situation.

PT, no pun intended but since it is wintertime are you getting enough sunshine?
Adopting an SAD protocol might help.(think)

Sunshine/vitamin D/etc. isn't a prob, as I'm in The Sunshine City (St. Petersburg) in The Sunshine State (Florida).  I walk every day, at least half an hour.  And the weather has been absolutely stellar for the past few weeks here, really, REALLY warm and sunny.  Getting out in it and walking is my anti-depressant.



(sunny)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:59pm; Reply: 78
P.S.  I should report back/update this thread.  Gots ta go do something for two hours at work right now, but hopefully soon I'll be back.  Later, dudes.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 2:01pm; Reply: 79
Hey, guys.  Just a little update.  I haven’t been taking the Catechol every day so it is hard to know what, if anything, it is or isn’t doing.  I guess I should take it every day, huh?  Duh.  Are there supps for airheadness out there?  Anyway:  bottom line, I’m still basically sad about some things.  I guess all we can do in such a reality is to, as Leonard Cohen said, “ring the bells that still can ring”.  Enjoy the things in life that you can enjoy, give the gifts that you have to give, and just live your life honestly and being grateful for what there is to be grateful for, which is a lot if you open your eyes and look around.

I’ve been focused a lot recently on painful stuff.  I just need to shift my focus.  The painful stuff will still be there but maybe I don’t need to dive into it like a swimming pool, but rather, turn, see and experience something else.  I don’t think that is denial, it is just saying, yeah, that’s there, but looky over here, this is lovely…let’s focus on this!

I don’t know if I’m making sense, but that’s where I am right now, just trying to say, okay, certain realities of my life are really hard, really painful.  BUT, gee willie willikers, look over here:  is this a beautiful, 80-degree day in February or WHAT?  Let’s get out there and plunge into THAT instead of into the aforementioned pool-o-pain.

Meanwhile, I will take the Catechol daily starting today, I promise.
Posted by: Dianne, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 2:26pm; Reply: 80
(clap) Well said! I have come to the realization of late that the best person to take of ourselves is - ourselves. Nobody knows us more than we do...in life, we get to experience the good, the bad and the ugly. But when we look at our lives, if we can open our eyes...the good outweighs the 'uglies'.

There is a company that is called "Life is Good" and they sell the most awesome t-shirts with those words imprinted on them. Even in the face of adversity, I often remind myself that yes indeed - "LIFE IS GOOD!"

You are on the right track PT - you and Leonard!  ;D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 2:37pm; Reply: 81
80 degrees in February? Time to jump into a swimming pool PT!!!
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:53pm; Reply: 82
PT,
((((HUGS))))
How's your Mom?
Jane
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:21pm; Reply: 83
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
I guess all we can do in such a reality is to, as Leonard Cohen said, “ring the bells that still can ring”.  Enjoy the things in life that you can enjoy, give the gifts that you have to give, and just live your life honestly and being grateful for what there is to be grateful for, which is a lot if you open your eyes and look around.

I’ve been focused a lot recently on painful stuff.  I just need to shift my focus.  The painful stuff will still be there but maybe I don’t need to dive into it like a swimming pool, but rather, turn, see and experience something else.  I don’t think that is denial, it is just saying, yeah, that’s there, but looky over here, this is lovely…let’s focus on this!

I don’t know if I’m making sense, but that’s where I am right now . .


You're making awesome sense!  And I congratulate you and celebrate with you.  I think you're on the absolute right track!  :)
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 7:59pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Victoria
You're making awesome sense!  And I congratulate you and celebrate with you.  I think you're on the absolute right track!  :)
& I second that ;) It is definitely not denial, to choose to focus on the positive, enjoyable things in life... I mean there are always going to be things that cause us to be sad or fearful...In fact I think there may be a big move toward trying to make people extra fearful - (not sure how it is going to achieve this, but I think it is tied up with a move to try to make people more dependent/reliant on Govt - if what I read is correct ?? ) But I could be up a gumtree again :-/ ::)
Anyway, what I am trying to say is, if there is nothing you can really do about some of these situations...(sure if there is, do what you can, especially if it is tantamount to your health & survival)...then yes, focus on what ultimately will definitely help your health (avoiding stress) :K)
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 12:12am; Reply: 85
Quoted from Peppermint Twist


I’ve been focused a lot recently on painful stuff.  I just need to shift my focus.  The painful stuff will still be there but maybe I don’t need to dive into it like a swimming pool, but rather, turn, see and experience something else.  I don’t think that is denial, it is just saying, yeah, that’s there, but looky over here, this is lovely…let’s focus on this!

I don’t know if I’m making sense, but that’s where I am right now, just trying to say, okay, certain realities of my life are really hard, really painful.  BUT, gee willie willikers, look over here:  is this a beautiful, 80-degree day in February or WHAT?  Let’s get out there and plunge into THAT instead of into the aforementioned pool-o-pain.



WOW....I want to copy that and frame it....hang it on a wall...share it with others.

Brilliant!  :)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 12:59am; Reply: 86
Thanks for all the positive feedback to my update, peeps. Bestest community ever, this is. Coming to you LIVE from my cell phone now, so this is just a shortie to thank you all so much again for being here. Cue the theme song from "Cheers"...actually, why don't I really link it?  I have that power!   Here yazzz go, to my wonderful BTD buds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KtAgAMzaeg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 1:11am; Reply: 87
;)
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 5:34am; Reply: 88
PT, just want to tell you how your recent posts are lifting my mood up! Thanks so much! It just goes to show that no matter how deep our sorrows are, we still have something to offer others and brighten up their days if we dig deep enough and find that bright spot. You are the bright spot here, do you know that? Now, come out more and share with us that warm Florida sunshine!!!  ;D(sunny) 8)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 2:25pm; Reply: 89
Quoted from balletomane
PT, just want to tell you how your recent posts are lifting my mood up! Thanks so much! It just goes to show that no matter how deep our sorrows are, we still have something to offer others and brighten up their days if we dig deep enough and find that bright spot. You are the bright spot here, do you know that? Now, come out more and share with us that warm Florida sunshine!!!  ;D(sunny) 8)

That almost made me cry (in a good way!).  THANKS.

I have not felt that my posts/contributions to this community that is so important to me have been up to par in recent months, so that feedback makes me feel better about that.

Life is a roller coaster.  The trick is to be honest about the ups and downs.  You may not think you have much to contribute when you are struggling in some way, yet I have found that, for example, when I struggled so much with my weight for many years, yet I never gave up and I still stuck around and posted, I received a lot of feedback that my posts talking about struggling were really HELPING people, people who told me they were struggling, too, and had been about to give up until they read my post.  Well, now my weight and diet are really in a good groove, yet I'm struggling in other ways, and once again I was feeling like, just keep it to yourself, PT, don't "bring down the room".  But being honest through everything is how you really help others--whether it is during good times or rough.  Just as sometimes we learn the most through our "failures", losses, mistakes, tough times, etc., so, too, do those things help others, who may be going through similar things.  Even when we feel like what we are going through is so unique and no one would understand, usually there is something universal about it that could really reach someone else.

I'm just saying that it is good if we all feel free to share honestly, no matter what's going on.  Not that we HAVE to, if we want to keep something private, but just that not only we CAN, if we want, but it might actually help or inspire someone else who is struggling quietly and invisibly.  You may think everyone else on the board or in life has it all together, yet we all have struggles.  And just when you think you and your struggle(s) are so unique, you realize, no, you're just like everyone else.  There is an odd comfort in that.  We're all just doing the best we can and, as the great singer/musician, Joan Armatrading wrote/sang:  "Some days, the bear will eat you.  Some days, you'll eat the bear."  (Great song, by the way!)

Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 9:01pm; Reply: 90
I just love this thread...who would ever believe that asking for sadness solutions would
morph into an empowering, uplifting dialogue where everyone is speaking from their hearts... and having me singing the Cheer's opening theme song...

Only on the BTD forum, of course......

Home sweet home.  :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 9:09pm; Reply: 91
Just recently DD2 and I were talking about fantasy books and "what would you wish for if you had 3 wishes?"

I realized, I wouldn't necessarily WANT to just "wish myself healthy" or "wish myself more financially stable" because then I wouldn't be able to share my journey with others. What good would it do me to suddenly be healthy and strong if I can't come online and help others acheive the same?

I could just see it now. "SWAMI helps, exercise helps, Earthing helps, but it wasn't until I rubbed a magic lamp that I truly got better. And boy, the Djinn was hot!"
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