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Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 6:09am
Hi everyone, I need to check in and get some advice.

My mother is 82, diabetic and has had four heart procedures in the last 20 years.

She recently had a heart incident, was hospitalized but no operation, just a heart cath.

They released her and tweaked her meds.

I moved in with her temporarily to help by cooking for her and watching that she was taking meds properly, etc. Have been working on providing her with B secretor foods.

The doctor says that the animal fats in her diet are causing her blood glucose to remain too high, and she needs to be on plant proteins-- to reduce her dairy and meat intake to 1 oz a day. This is supposed to help her blood sugar to drop to a more normal level.

Some background: we got her to the doc about a month ago because of breathlessness, doc sent her to Columbus OH (nearest big city with a cardiac unit). Once home we tried to get night time oxygen for her, it took a week for us to get that sorted out and paid for. Meanwhile she's taking ferrous sulfate or gluconate (not sure which as they switched them out), to improve homoglobin.

Since getting the oxygen and making sure she is eating regularly, and taking her meds she is much better. (My theory is she was to tired to cook for herself adequately so  she would cheat on her diet; because of sugar imbalance was not thinking well, probably spacing on her meds, and this made her even less capable of eating right etc etc.) It's like night and day. She doesn't fall asleep all the time, she is sleeping better at night, she has interestin things she loves again --like kniting and her plants-- and energy to do stuff. She is more active on her own and much more stable on her feet, doesn't need her cane all the time and isn't breathless after walking even just a few steps.

I have got her off coffee, chicken, wheat, corn and potatoes, and make her green tea frequently. I work on getting veg into her but she is resistant to many vegetables. (She likes broccoli but becaise of one of her meds she can only have it occasionally-- something about the vitamin K.) She does like bean soups, but there are limits to how much of that I can feed her. She doesn't care for turkey.
She does love the muffins I make her-- rice flour, almond meal and flax seed meal-- but she would easily overdo that if I let her.

She probably has been eating too many eggs (it is one of the things she really loves and will eat), but the doc is saying only one or two eggs a month! I have tried feeding her oatmeal in the morning, but if she doesn't have some animal protein she gets foggy and has less energy. Several times when I needed to be gone in the morning my brother has made her 2 pieces of spelt toast instead of one and I swear it makes a difference in her energy (in  this case less is more) and what she has for breakfast seems to set the tone for the whole day.

The other issue she has had for about 3 years is periodic diarrhea, which she has treated with imodium, and I am now shure that this has been more continuous that she will admit. Since I moved in a week and a half ago , I have made sure she has some yogurt (organic and locally made) at least once and sometimes 3 times daily, and this (and I believe the removal of coffee and grains) has cleared it up almost entirely. (since I'm not here 24/7 there are times she gets foods I don't prepare).

Any way, I am hoping some one out there can help with this dilemma. My sister, who doubts the BTD, but has gone gluten free, is insisting that we follow doc's orders regarding the animal products. That means almost no meat, reducing the dairy a lot and going non-fat, and cutting out eggs almost entirely.

What have other folks' experiences been with BTD and these health issues?  She's a Nomad by the way.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 6:30am; Reply: 1
What about good quality Nomad fish for her?  (ok)
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 6:52am; Reply: 2
Thanks for that thought.

She loves salmon,is ok with flounder, is so-so about cod and most other fish. I don't have my genotype book handy, just the BTD books I gave her.

I would think that the doc is ok with any fish high in EFAs. Omega-3 etc...

And I have been thinking about nuts as a protein source.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 7:59am; Reply: 3
follow the diabetes book and protocols
a secretor test might be the right route to go and be on the safe side
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 10:12am; Reply: 4
2 eggs a month  :o and restricted animal fat and dairy
Her doc are taking everything nourishing out of her diet :o everythimg taht is important in old age as well.

when Docs says no animal fat and high fat dairy it is a 1 size fits all approach :(
-sure it might be good for an A type
- but a B type it is the directs way to issues with blodsugar, brain fog and stress. ( and heart disease imo)

I used to be a low fat starchtarian and I was sick all the type - including borderhigh cholestrol
Now when I eat a high fat- low grain nomad diet  I am well and funny enough my cholesterol  are fine  :D


She is 82 and honestely I think she should have some quality in her last years - and she wont have that on a fat and animal free diet

I would give her a varied diet that she enjoys; good quality full fat yoghurt ( no sugar), eggs - yes they have absolutely nothing to do with heart disease- good fish- whatever meat( ofc no chicken and pork) - good veggies.Ghe e and olive oil.
I would restrict her sugars from white grains ( even glutenfree) and juice and fruit due to her diabetics.

She should have a life full of quality food imo .
I have worked with old people ( especially with Dementia) in more than 2 years and I have seen how these extremely restricted diet takes all quality of life out in old people and sure it does not make them better.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:57pm; Reply: 5
The restriction on her green vegetable intake sounds like she takes coumadin. She needs to keep her green vegetable intake consistent then the coumadin can get regulated, many people misunderstand the dietary needs when they are on coumadin.

So if she eats the same  portions of vegetables every day then the levels can be regulated. If she eats some one day then not the next that is when it becomes a problem.

http://coumadindiet.net/
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 2:08pm; Reply: 6
Some doctors don't have a clue about what it does to people to have to severely restrict green vegetables! They are the reason for so much confusion about what people should do when they are on Coumadin - mostly because they don't have a clue themselves. It is amazing how many ways they can come up with to kill people. This doctor takes the prize, though, with the two eggs a month restriction. I knew a woman who lived to be up in her eighties whose cholesterol was consistently around 1000, yes, that is 1000. All the conventional cholesterol lowering treatments had no effect on it whatsoever. Her weight, her diet and her activities were perfect - even for a person twenty years younger than she was. She had no other health problems. A wonderful, inspiring person! Of course, the doctors tried to ruin her life by trying to make her think that she was going to drop dead any second. Well, she proved them wrong for a very long time!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 7:09pm; Reply: 7
I would ignore the doctor's dietary advice- she clearly needs more animal protein and fewer carbs than this doctor wants her to eat. Research that broccolli thing though- a specific food containing chemicals that interfere with meds may be something the doctor DOES have right. Feed her the B or the Nomad diet, with ample animal proteins and fats. Veggie proteins are fine too, but keep those grains in check!

I'd also talk to her doctor about the vitamin K. When my father was on coumadin, his regular MD told him "no more salad." But his cardiologist said "you need to eat about the same amount of salad every day, and we'll adjust the dose to compensate." So my father ate a decent-sized salad once a day for years, until he got too sick to eat much of anything.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:40pm; Reply: 8
Thanks everyone for your input.

She has taken the secretor test and is definitely a secretor, unike me.


It was really clear that she responded well to a higher protein, lower carb diet,she was so much more clear headed.

Does anyone have any ideas about her chronic diarrhea? could the coffee be implicated or is it more likely the wheat? Once I started cooking for her she did much better, I substituted tea for coffee and made sure she was getting lots of good quality yogurt.
Posted by: Spring, Friday, January 20, 2012, 10:52pm; Reply: 9
Thanks everyone for your input.It was really clear that she responded well to a higher protein, lower carb diet,she was so much more clear headed.


This part of your post is really good news!  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, January 20, 2012, 11:42pm; Reply: 10
Wheat is no good for Nomads.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, January 21, 2012, 12:17am; Reply: 11
Does anyone have any ideas about her chronic diarrhea? could the coffee be implicated or is it more likely the wheat? Once I started cooking for her she did much better, I substituted tea for coffee and made sure she was getting lots of good quality yogurt.

Wheat really tears me up, although, I have more problem with tightness rather than looseness...
  
I've never been able to drink coffee - just couldn't stand the flavor.

It is possible that the gut is being distressed by some of the drugs, although that is really hard to "test" without causing significant upheaval due to the intended results of the drugs.  You'll have to do whatever gut healing you can to attempt to override the effects of the drugs.  Intrinsa, Deflect, and ghee are good to use for gut healing.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Monday, April 23, 2012, 1:35pm; Reply: 12
Hi Folks,

All of your input was really helpful. I am so grateful for this great group of people and these forums.

Unfortunately Mom passed away in March-- a return to the hospital in February showed that her kidneys were failing. After 4 days in the local hospital and 5 days seeing specialists in a Columbus hospital to potentially do surgery they releases her to a nursing home, after 5 days there we brought her home and did hospice with her. It was a very good experience though extremely exhausting, my brother, sister and I did 24 hour care for her for about 2 weeks, and she was conscious and intentional in her dying process. It was a very special experience to assist her in leaving her body the way she wanted to-- without interventions, and caring for her ourselves. We were able to prepare her for burial and bury her on the family farm, in a coffin my brother and uncle built, and with a simple burial service with her minister presiding and family and friends.  
Posted by: D.L., Monday, April 23, 2012, 1:41pm; Reply: 13
I am so sorry for your loss.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, April 23, 2012, 1:44pm; Reply: 14
Bekki Shining Bearheart

so sorry ... all the best.. you seem to have done all that a person could ask for..

your loving care shines brightly in your post above.. what a nice post to let us know..
Posted by: Spring, Monday, April 23, 2012, 2:20pm; Reply: 15
Bekki Shining Bearheart, so sorry to hear of your mother's death. It is so sweet, though, to read how her last days were made so much better by the tender comfort and nourishment from those she loved. Thanks for letting us know.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, April 23, 2012, 3:08pm; Reply: 16
Thank you for sharing the news of her passing with us.  Your shining heart is evident and no doubt was a blessing to her!   :K)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Monday, April 23, 2012, 5:00pm; Reply: 17
So sorry to hear that Bekki. My condolences.
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, April 23, 2012, 5:25pm; Reply: 18
Blessings to you and your family, Bekki. You and your siblings did the right thing to help your mother make the easiest transition possible. You will all be in my thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: Jane, Monday, April 23, 2012, 5:34pm; Reply: 19
I'm so sorry for your loss Bekki.  You were a wonderful daughter to her and it sounds like he last days were filled with love.  ((((HUGS)))) to you and your family.
Jane
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, April 23, 2012, 6:41pm; Reply: 20
I'm sorry for your loss. Be thankful you were there with her at the end and she lived a full life.  
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Monday, April 23, 2012, 7:27pm; Reply: 21
I second you have been great for her and you and your siblings are blessed, condoleances for your loss , but still yo did the best
Posted by: Joyce, Monday, April 23, 2012, 9:29pm; Reply: 22
So sorry to read of your loss Bekki, but what a lovely way for your mother to both prepare and go to spirit.
Joyce
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Monday, April 23, 2012, 10:45pm; Reply: 23
Thanks to all who expressed condolences. I do appreciate it.

I feel fortunate to have known my mom, who was a very special person in her own right-- a career nurse who innovated programs at the local mental health center, helped start the Visiting Nurses (hospice service) in our county in Appalachian Ohio, in her 50s fulfilled a lifelong dream to be a Lutheran minister, and in her retirement years served as a chaplain with the Visiting Nursses when she came back to Athens. She had an incredible faith, which served her well as she prepared for death, which she had no fear of. She taught me so much especially in the last days of her life. I am just grateful to have been able to share it with her. It was no burden, but a priviledge. I hope when my timecomes I can follow her example wth as much trust, grace, gratitude and wisdom.
Posted by: Cristina, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 10:08am; Reply: 24
Sorry about your loss Bekki ... your shining spirit is evident here ... such love and devotion given .... beautiful ...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 1:38pm; Reply: 25
What a beautiful Tribute!

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I feel fortunate to have known my mom, who was a very special person in her own right-- a career nurse who innovated programs at the local mental health center, helped start the Visiting Nurses (hospice service) in our county in Appalachian Ohio, in her 50s fulfilled a lifelong dream to be a Lutheran minister, and in her retirement years served as a chaplain with the Visiting Nurses when she came back to Athens. She had an incredible faith, which served her well as she prepared for death, which she had no fear of. She taught me so much especially in the last days of her life. I am just grateful to have been able to share it with her. It was no burden, but a privilege. I hope when my time comes I can follow her example with as much trust, grace, gratitude and wisdom.


Thanks for sharing ..
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