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Posted by: nowishow, Monday, January 16, 2012, 10:46pm
I was set up to take a urine heavy metals test through my doctors office, using Doctor's Data as the lab. They want me to come in and have two chemical chelators introduced into my system through an IV before the test. I'm uncomfortable with this and so I've cancelled the test. I respond so strongly and negatively to almost all types of synthetic drugs and my health is fragile, due to lyme disease. I have bugs living in my heart and most of my symptoms are heart related. I remember someone talking about eating raw brocoli before and during their test, but I can't find that thread. Does anyone remember this? Does anyone have any suggestions?

If not, I think I'll do the hair analysis instead.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 16, 2012, 11:00pm; Reply: 1
try a search using any of the words you remember being used
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, January 16, 2012, 11:07pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from nowishow
I remember someone talking about eating raw brocoli before and during their test, but I can't find that thread.


Patty mentioned that procedure:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1313696851/#num21
Posted by: JJR, Monday, January 16, 2012, 11:09pm; Reply: 3
Huh, that's interesting.  My doctor did a fecal metals test, which was done through Doctors Data in St. Charles, Il.  It's funny because I just had it out yesterday looking at it.  That's why I know who did it and where.  It was a while ago that it was done though.   And it had nothing to do with an IV of anything.  I was on a glutathione therapy at the time.  Meaning I was taking it orally and I also rubbed a glutathione gel on my liver and kidneys.  And after a little while of doing that, they performed the stool test.  

I was super mercury toxic.  And a couple other ones.  Thallium and bismuth.  And some other ones were a little high but in the normal range.  Nickel and something else.  

Anyways, maybe they can perform that kind of a test.  
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, January 16, 2012, 11:10pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from nowishow
I think I'll do the hair analysis instead.


You may want to consider how you are going to use the data and whether hair analysis is going to be a reliable enough measure for that purpose.

Posted by: nowishow, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:14am; Reply: 5
Quoted from C_Sharp


That was the one I was trying to find. Thanks! I had searched on heavy metals, lead, and broccoli but I couldn't find it. But, I think I spelled broccoli with one "c". So anyway, it sounds like they gave her some chemicals too. I'm just not comfortable with that.
Posted by: nowishow, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:15am; Reply: 6
Quoted from JJR
Huh, that's interesting.  My doctor did a fecal metals test, which was done through Doctors Data in St. Charles, Il.  It's funny because I just had it out yesterday looking at it.  That's why I know who did it and where.  It was a while ago that it was done though.   And it had nothing to do with an IV of anything.  I was on a glutathione therapy at the time.  Meaning I was taking it orally and I also rubbed a glutathione gel on my liver and kidneys.  And after a little while of doing that, they performed the stool test.  

I was super mercury toxic.  And a couple other ones.  Thallium and bismuth.  And some other ones were a little high but in the normal range.  Nickel and something else.  

Anyways, maybe they can perform that kind of a test.  


This sounds interesting. I'm going to ask my doctor about doing the test this way.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:19am; Reply: 7
Talk to your doctor about doing the lab test without the chemicals. IIRC. Patty had the test done twice; once before taking the chelating medicine and once after. It gives different information- the first tells how much is floating around all the time, the second is an indication of how much is in storage.

Since you're worried about side effects of the medication, ask your doctor about doing the test without the chelators, and at least take a look at those numbers before deciding whether or not the chelator test is still needed.
Posted by: nowishow, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:19am; Reply: 8
Quoted from C_Sharp


You may want to consider how you are going to use the data and whether hair analysis is going to be a reliable enough measure for that purpose.



I've heard that's it's a good way to test and a bad way to test. So I'm not sure what to do. I found one website that shows how you can take the results of the hair elements test to figure out if you have heavy metals by looking at the calcium and other element levels (I think?). I don't have that link handy right now.

Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 3:08pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from nowishow


That was the one I was trying to find. Thanks! I had searched on heavy metals, lead, and broccoli but I couldn't find it. But, I think I spelled broccoli with one "c". So anyway, it sounds like they gave her some chemicals too. I'm just not comfortable with that.


nowishow, I just saw this thread.  Sorry I did not see it earlier.  I have not been on the forum much lately.

Ok, so first of all, it was Dr. D's new associate, Dr. Ryan Partovi, who did the metals testing for me.  This is an area of expertise for him, so although I see Dr. Nash in Wilton, CT, she deferred to Dr. Partovi on this.

Second, they were not "chemicals" that I was given.  I had to take two supplements.  

The night before the tests, I ate the raw, organic broccoli and took Cysteplus by Thorne Research.  Cysteplus is the brand name for Thorne's N-Acetyl-Cysteine, which is an amino acid that is needed for the body to produce glutathione.  The body needs glutathione to support its ability to get rid of toxins.

See Cysteplus:

http://www.thorne.com/Products/Antioxidants-Flavonoids/Antioxidants/prd~SA560.jsp

After I urinated my first morning urine into the container, I then had to eat more raw, organic broccoli, take more Cysteplus and then take another Thorne Research supplement called Captomer 250 mg with 8 oz of water.  Captomer is used to help the body release some of the heavy metals into your urine so that they can be measured.  I will admit that I did not feel great that day, but I felt fine the following day.  I am extremely toxic in lead and mercury, so some of those toxins were released into my urine.

See Captomer:

http://pureformulas.com/captomer-45-capsules-by-thorne-research.html

I ran this protocol by an MD who specializes in Chelation Therapy and he said it was very well designed and thought out to protect my body as much as possible from the damage of releasing the toxins.  This is one of the best ways to actually see what is stored in your body.

The question I would ask is why you are having Heavy Metal Testing if you do not want to release it?  I understand your concerns, but detoxification can go a long way towards long term healing.  I am happy to answer any other questions you might have.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 6:50pm; Reply: 10
Why do you need chemicals to do a heavy metal test? I went through Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) too and did a fecal metals test.

I was encouraged to use some chelator, which I did, "Simple Chelate" chlorella & cilantro for 7 days then I submitted the sample. Easy-peasy. No chemicals involved.

The test came back very high in mercury & tungsten. I am now doing the CWP (Comprehensive Wellness) to see how healthy I am in regards to the level of detox my body can handle while removing the mercury.

Good luck!
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 7:29pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from 14922
Why do you need chemicals to do a heavy metal test? I went through Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) too and did a fecal metals test.

I was encouraged to use some chelator, which I did, "Simple Chelate" chlorella & cilantro for 7 days then I submitted the sample. Easy-peasy. No chemicals involved.

The test came back very high in mercury & tungsten. I am now doing the CWP (Comprehensive Wellness) to see how healthy I am in regards to the level of detox my body can handle while removing the mercury.

Good luck!


StarPine, each health practitioner seems to have his/her own protocol.  As I stated in my post above, this protocol was designed by Dr. D's associate in Wilton, CT, so I had complete confidence in the safety of the protocol and in the results.

Also, the MD I have decided to see for chelation therapy definitely would have recommended AGAINST using cilantro, as it can cross the blood-brain barrier.  Certainly it is excellent that you took it in combination with the chlorella, which should eliminate the possibility of re-toxification.

So as you can see, it seems that doctors/natural health care practitioners have different protocols, even for the testing, never mind the chelation therapy.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 8:10pm; Reply: 12
Interesting bit about the cilantro there.  Hmmmm....
Posted by: nowishow, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 12:25am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Patty H


Second, they were not "chemicals" that I was given.  I had to take two supplements.  

The night before the tests, I ate the raw, organic broccoli and took Cysteplus by Thorne Research.  Cysteplus is the brand name for Thorne's N-Acetyl-Cysteine, which is an amino acid that is needed for the body to produce glutathione.  The body needs glutathione to support its ability to get rid of toxins.

See Cysteplus:

http://www.thorne.com/Products/Antioxidants-Flavonoids/Antioxidants/prd~SA560.jsp

After I urinated my first morning urine into the container, I then had to eat more raw, organic broccoli, take more Cysteplus and then take another Thorne Research supplement called Captomer 250 mg with 8 oz of water.  Captomer is used to help the body release some of the heavy metals into your urine so that they can be measured.  I will admit that I did not feel great that day, but I felt fine the following day.  I am extremely toxic in lead and mercury, so some of those toxins were released into my urine.

See Captomer:

http://pureformulas.com/captomer-45-capsules-by-thorne-research.html

I ran this protocol by an MD who specializes in Chelation Therapy and he said it was very well designed and thought out to protect my body as much as possible from the damage of releasing the toxins.  This is one of the best ways to actually see what is stored in your body.

The question I would ask is why you are having Heavy Metal Testing if you do not want to release it?  I understand your concerns, but detoxification can go a long way towards long term healing.  I am happy to answer any other questions you might have.


Thanks Patty!

It's the Captomer that I called "chemicals". I believe it's made from DMSA which I'm concerned about. It's really just a gut feeling that I shouldn't let them put this stuff straight into my veins. I'd be less opposed to taking a low dose pill. But I have such strong reactions to substances that I honor my intuition. I've been working with this doctor for over a year now and I've gotten used to him offering different things and then finding out I could only take about 1/10 of the dose he thinks I can handle. I'm such a whimp!
Posted by: nowishow, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 12:29am; Reply: 14
:)
Quoted from 14922
Why do you need chemicals to do a heavy metal test? I went through Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) too and did a fecal metals test.

I was encouraged to use some chelator, which I did, "Simple Chelate" chlorella & cilantro for 7 days then I submitted the sample. Easy-peasy. No chemicals involved.

The test came back very high in mercury & tungsten. I am now doing the CWP (Comprehensive Wellness) to see how healthy I am in regards to the level of detox my body can handle while removing the mercury.

Good luck!


This sounds much better to me!

I have to do the test because most likely I have heavy metals. Most people with Lyme do. I've been taking Chlorella for about a year and I eat a bunch of cilantro a week. I really crave it so I assume it's a good idea for me.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 2:18am; Reply: 15
Quoted from nowishow
:)

This sounds much better to me!

I have to do the test because most likely I have heavy metals. Most people with Lyme do. I've been taking Chlorella for about a year and I eat a bunch of cilantro a week. I really crave it so I assume it's a good idea for me.


nowishow, you should make your own decisions on cilantro and chlorella, but please read what I wrote.  Cilantro can cross the blood brain barrier, causing re-toxification in the brain.  I have another thread on here about this and the information I was given by my MD was confirmed by others on this forum.  I would not recommend this protocol for you to do on your own without the advice of a health care practitioner who is very experienced in chelation therapy.  If I can find the thread I will post the link for you.

Sharing with the best of intentions!
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 2:22am; Reply: 16
Below is the link to the previous thread I posted on cilantro pesto and chelation therapy.  Please be sure to read the entire thread.  At first many thought that I had been given bad advice, but then a lot of others chimed in with supporting information that the information I had been given was valid.  I think a lot of folks changed their opinions on cilantro pesto and chelation after this thread ran its course.  Good luck, whatever you decide!

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1315527237/
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 6:06am; Reply: 17
Quoted from nowishow


Thanks Patty!

It's the Captomer that I called "chemicals". I believe it's made from DMSA which I'm concerned about. It's really just a gut feeling that I shouldn't let them put this stuff straight into my veins. I'd be less opposed to taking a low dose pill. But I have such strong reactions to substances that I honor my intuition. I've been working with this doctor for over a year now and I've gotten used to him offering different things and then finding out I could only take about 1/10 of the dose he thinks I can handle. I'm such a whimp!



I'm the same way.  I get affected by things to a degree that others seem to not be.  Oh well.  I'm trying to tell myself I'm not that way, and I'm sure mentally it helps to not dwell on it.  But exercising caution and wisdom in taking things is a good practice too, I believe.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 5:25pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from nowishow
I've been working with this doctor for over a year now and I've gotten used to him offering different things and then finding out I could only take about 1/10 of the dose he thinks I can handle. I'm such a whimp!


You're not a wimp, you simply have a sensitive constitution right now. What concerns me is that this doctor has been working with you for a year and is still prescribing 10X the doses you can handle! Why hasn't he or she learned by now that you respond to much lower doses than "average"?
Posted by: nowishow, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 5:34pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from ruthiegirl


You're not a wimp, you simply have a sensitive constitution right now. What concerns me is that this doctor has been working with you for a year and is still prescribing 10X the doses you can handle! Why hasn't he or she learned by now that you respond to much lower doses than "average"?


I only see the doctor every three months. I think eventually he'll get the idea, but this has been a problem for me my whole life. I've had halucinations taking an antihistimine.  :o This was over 25 years ago so probably not related to my current condition. I just don't react to medicines like most folks.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, January 19, 2012, 6:05am; Reply: 20
You probably have polymorphisms in your detox system.  Genetically.  

Do you drink green tea?  And/ or do you take B12?  I need to get back to drinking green tea.  
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, January 19, 2012, 5:15pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from JJR
You probably have polymorphisms in your detox system.  Genetically.  

Do you drink green tea?  And/ or do you take B12?  I need to get back to drinking green tea.  


What are polymorphisms? And yes I take B12 and drink green tea everyday.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, January 19, 2012, 5:53pm; Reply: 22
I believe it is explained in the GTD book in the explorer section.  It basically means that your genetics have let you down and that certain systems or enzymes or whatever can be not optimal.  That's the deal I have with glutathione.  My genetic test says I just don't produce at all in my liver or kidneys.  I guess my skin and brain produces it though, so it's not completely absent.

But then I think there is something about methylating that helps overcome some genetic dispositions.  Meaning if we're eating the right foods or taking in the right substances, like B12, it helps unravel our DNA or something and it can somehow overcome these issues.  But I think when we're under attack by a virus or whatever, our foibles and weaknesses sort of become more dominant.  

I'm not sure if all that is correct, but that's how I feel like I've interpreted the data.  Maybe someone can correct me about the methylating part.  But the test I had done was a "Detoxigenomic Test" by Great Smokies or there is some other name for them.  Genova Diagnostics.  I had many enzymes that weren't optimum.  Well, like 3 or 4.  I think my Super oxide dismutase was really impaired at cleaning out me cells.  And I have a polymorphism in CYP3A4, which I guess detoxes many pharmaceuticals.  And there was another one about not getting rid of estrogen very well.  So I stopped eating soy.  I used to eat a lot of soybeans because it was a good protein that digested well at the time.  But I think it raises estrogen levels, and if you don't clear it very well, it might not be the best option.  I'm not saying it's all bad though.

Anyways, have your read the GTD?  I know my SWAMI talks about these things for explorer and even teachers have some of these issues.  I'm a blend of Nomad/Explorer/Teacher and I've read all of them very extensively.  If I do the book measuremnts, I'm a teacher.  When I did my swami, I've been all 3 of those at one time and I think Nomad is the highest score percentage wise.  But I guess being an AB puts me in that category of having a lot of different options.  Hehehe
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, January 20, 2012, 4:32am; Reply: 23
Quoted from nowishow
What are polymorphisms? And yes I take B12 and drink green tea everyday.
Polymorphism is defined at this site...  Along with many different examples...
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Site_Map
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Monday, April 9, 2012, 4:59pm; Reply: 24
So I got my blood test back- all good. Healthy enough to detox the mercury.

I ordered the Mercury II detox magnetic clay bath.

WOW- 15 mins while in the water I had some intense tingling and zinging going on in my hands. It was quite uncomfortable.

I drained the bath and saw black stuff at the bottom- that's a sign that metals were pulled out.

I still have a few more baths to take to get it all out, but at least I know it's working.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 11:14pm; Reply: 25
I definitely do not detox well because of polymorphisms and despite this I only felt ill for one day with the captomer and I was not super ill.  I felt like I had a mild flu.

By the way, StarPine, do you have a septic system?  If so, you should be very careful doing the clay baths at home.  The clay can really mess up your septic system.  I decided to do my clay baths at a spa because even though it costs like $50, it is a heck of a lot less expensive than having to replace my septic system.  In fact, the company sells a clay bath product specifically for people with septic systems.  It has a screen to catch the clay.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 12:27am; Reply: 26
Quoted from Patty H
I definitely do not detox well because of polymorphisms and despite this I only felt ill for one day with the captomer and I was not super ill.  I felt like I had a mild flu.

By the way, StarPine, do you have a septic system?  If so, you should be very careful doing the clay baths at home.  The clay can really mess up your septic system.  I decided to do my clay baths at a spa because even though it costs like $50, it is a heck of a lot less expensive than having to replace my septic system.  In fact, the company sells a clay bath product specifically for people with septic systems.  It has a screen to catch the clay.


No I don't have a septic system. So it's ok. But I did duck tape a screen over the drain and added the stopper over it. Washed it down slowly.

I don't like seeing all that nasty toxic material being flushed back out to Mother Earth. So I send a blessing that the negative vibrations will be transmuted into healing energies.  :) Like using the Emoto method
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 1:48pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from 14922


No I don't have a septic system. So it's ok. But I did duck tape a screen over the drain and added the stopper over it. Washed it down slowly.

I don't like seeing all that nasty toxic material being flushed back out to Mother Earth. So I send a blessing that the negative vibrations will be transmuted into healing energies.  :) Like using the Emoto method


Good idea!

I have been chelating now for over a month.  I get re-tested in early May to track my progress.  Mostly I feel ok except for a mild headache.  I take an epsom salt bath daily and I am enjoying that.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 4:04pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Patty H


Good idea!

I have been chelating now for over a month.  I get re-tested in early May to track my progress.  Mostly I feel ok except for a mild headache.  I take an epsom salt bath daily and I am enjoying that.


I wonder how many baths I will need to get all the mercury out. I'm assuming that I'll know once I take a bath and I don't see anymore black stuff or residue afterwards? Last night was bath #2 - more black stuff than the first bath!

And I will also take another fecal metal test (ugh! it's gross) after I'm done to see what my progress is.

I read that epsom salts helps with sulfur issues. Good idea.
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