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Posted by: 16772 (Guest), Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 4:48pm
Hi there,
After doing swami I got this as what I am!
     GT4 'Explorer' (Blood Group O Secretor)
Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values

I have two questions maybe people can help me with!

1) I'm an O type but have found that less meat (1-2 servings a day as recommended by swami)
as opposed to more Like the o type and following paleo feels better on my system and digestion!
Are there any o explorers who have tried vegetarian/ vegan with success or is it vital to maintain some protein in the diet?

2) as supplements go I can't afford to much, so is it important to go with what swami recommends and disregard blood type supps like deflect!? For me it was explorer activator and catylist! Is it worth these two?

Thanks
I workout twice a day on heavy strength (body wt mostly) and a lot of hand balancing/ gymnastic traing work along with surfing when time permits!! No health issues except sluggish bowels from time to time! Looking to get the most out of my machine! I'm about to turn 30 male with very low body fat!!

Thanks, any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 5:30pm; Reply: 1
Quoted Text
Dr D
A patient who also helped me with my Web site suffered from a disease called Pemphigus. It’s an autoimmune disease of the mucus membranes in your skin. It causes blisters, it’s messy, and then you die. He was the head of a vegetarian society and a three-time national vegetarian trivia contest winner. He was getting sicker and sicker, and all his vegetarian friends were telling him he wasn’t being a good enough vegetarian. At one point he read my book, and he said “I don’t like the idea, but I just refuse to die for the cause.” He changed his diet to include meat and put his Pemphigus into remission. Years later, he told me that his gluteal muscles, which had been destroyed by all the steroids he had taken, had come back too. You guessed it - he was type O! That’s the power of being flexible in your food choices!
http://www.pemphigus.org/wordpress/2011/06/pemphigus-the-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-me/


welcome!

reconsider your vegetarian/ vegan approach in the long run

swami gives you what your genetics and physiology need.....the choice is entirely yours....let food be your medicine

Posted by: 16772 (Guest), Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 5:48pm; Reply: 2
Wow, really powerful!!!!
Thanks I believe that you make a good point! Maybe
Trusting in swami is the way to go!
So sticking to recommendations and portions size, I should be just fine...

Thanks :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 6:12pm; Reply: 3
1-2 servings a day isnt' all that "low meat" compared to how the O diet is supposed to work. All O's are supposed to fill up on veggies and eat modest portions of meat and even smaller portions of beans and grains.

Follow your SWAMI. O's need animal protein daily.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:11pm; Reply: 4
Welcome!

I have gone a few days straight on a vegetarian diet.  I didn't think it would be so easy, but it was.  I favored my SWAMI vegetable protein superfoods for one meal each day.  However, I don't "workout twice a day on heavy strength (body wt mostly) and a lot of hand balancing/ gymnastic training work...."  My exercise is very fast walking one time each day.

I like the philosophy of the vegan lifestyle.  It makes sense to me.  Explorers can afford to avoid meat once or twice each week, and that will help the vegan cause a little and not harm ourselves.

If you have no health issues, you might consider skipping the supplements.  I didn't notice much benefit from the explorer activator as I did from Type O deflect.
Posted by: 16772 (Guest), Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:15am; Reply: 5
Great, what did you notice taking the o deflect?

Yeah I was wondering if the activator or catylist explorer is worth it,
Thanks!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, December 8, 2011, 2:18am; Reply: 6
to each their own.....
take it one step at a time......write a log to keep track of your results
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, December 8, 2011, 7:32pm; Reply: 7
With deflect, I didn't notice as much the deleterious effects of eating certain foods.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 12:28am; Reply: 8
I find that I need more, not less, meat, than is recommended-- and have have been vegetarian twice in my life for a total of about 10 years. I got pretty sick.

I don't eat huge portions but try to spread it out through the day. My mind is much clearer if I get about 6-8 oz of meat a day, and eat meat 3-4 times. Otherwise I crave other protein source which are not as good for me, like nuts (my Swami doesn't allow all that many nuts, or eggs). Since I can't get such good fish in my area as I can red meat I tend to do red meat more, though my SWAMI recommends a fair amount of fish.
Posted by: Conor, Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 6:51am; Reply: 9
Quoted from 16772
Are there any o explorers who have tried vegetarian/vegan with success or is it vital to maintain some protein in the diet?

The Canadian former professional Ironman triathlete and Vega CEO, Brendan Brazier, claims to be a type O and, according to him, he's vegan ...
Quoted from Brendan Brazier
I’m actually Type O. I do know a bit about the blood type diet and I know that O is supposed to be the carnivore, so obviously it doesn’t really hold true for me. But, I do find that if I don’t eat much protein, I don’t feel as good. So, maybe if you want to look at the blood type diet and think well maybe it doesn’t just mean to eat more meat if you’re O Type, but to eat more protein. And, I find that if I eat foods that are really low in good quality protein and I just eat fruit, then I don’t feel as good and I don’t have as much energy. So, some people say there’s nothing to the blood type diet, but then, some people do. So, it just depends on your taste on that. Like I say, for me, it doesn’t really hold true.

What's your motivation for considering vegetarianism or veganism, i.e., is it more from a philosophical or a personal health perspective?
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 5:54pm; Reply: 10
Brendan Brazier might be an Explorer.  We can get by with less meat and more vegetable sources of protein than other Os.

Eventually it might catch up with him.
Posted by: Conor, Tuesday, June 26, 2012, 11:05pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from SquarePeg
Brendan Brazier might be an Explorer. We can get by with less meat and more vegetable sources of protein than other Os. Eventually it might catch up with him.

Here's a photo for reference ...



I would tend to agree with you, but what do you think of his body type? Seems to me to be the prototypical Hunter physical profile (althought it's difficult to get a real comparison of trunk length to total leg length and upper leg length to lower leg length in the above photo).

I've experimented with being vegetarian (strict and ovo-lacto), vegan and raw food at different times, for at least six months at a stretch, and I can tell you that even though there was a time when I truly wanted a strictly plant-based way of eating to work, it didn't ... not for me. I was also pescetarian for almost a year, on which I fared significantly better than a purely plant-based diet (even when I was incorporating pronounced amounts of legumes, nuts, seeds and high-protein green plants into my diet to facilitate protein consumption).

Initially I was more spiritually motivated to be vegetarian but then, at some point, I bought into the oft-repeated hype that abstaining from all animal meat is better for humans from a health standpoint (e.g., "Plant-based whole foods are the true future of optimal health"). Over time, though, I came to understand via personal experience and observation that whilst some people do seem to thrive on a more vegetarian-based diet, others do not. I was one of those 'do not' people. No matter, I wanted to understand why. Especially as I was supposedly eating healthier than how I'd eaten growing up (which consisted of red meat--beef--every day, as well as a variety of other animal products), but I certainly didn't feel as healthy as I had felt during my childhood. I started studying food history--going back to the Lower Pleistocene period--and it was during this research that I became aware of Doctor D'Adamo's work. Shortly thereafter, I made it a point to start ignoring the food propaganda with which we are relentlessly bombarded, i.e., by the USDA, the NIH, the WHO, the AMA/traditional medical establishment, the media, the special interests, the vested interests, et al. It became increasingly clear to me that not one of them indeed had much more of a clue than I did about what foods truly contributed to my own good health, and which ones didn't (except for the outright poisonous foods, that is, the USDA usually got those right).

I didn't want to eat blindly; to just do what most everyone else was doing. I wanted any food that I put in my mouth to be intrinsically good for me, contributing to positive health. Food choices had to be logical and intuitive, and I stopped making myself eat things from a perspective of forcing myself into a 'one size fits all' dietary culture ... especially foods that one expert or another was evangelizing as being super healthy for everyone, but they didn't make me feel good eating them. In doing so, I found out that a number of so-called health foods were actually unhealthy for me, even when grown/raised under the best of conditions. I also came to understand that although I'm adamantly opposed to so many of the inhumane practices and genetic meddling of modern day agribusiness, any dietary decisions I make had to be based solely upon pragmatic reasoning (not wishful thinking) and, for me, this meant that the quasi-religious veneration--i.e., the deification of one way of eating or another--had no worthwhile place in my decision-making process. Bottom line, I stopped letting outside influences mold my dietary choices by way of emotional or spiritual manipulation (sadly, when one shines a cold light on motivations in the diet-related industry, it turns out they are too often, at best, dubitable or just plain self-serving).

So, I allowed myself the freedom to accept the genetic hand I've been dealt, playing to its strengths rather than revolting against it, and I eat a variety of animal products of known origin, healthy animal and plant fats, a lot a green plants, small amounts of heritage beans and grains, berries in season, a very short list of hard cheeses, and a few nuts and seeds whilst eschewing the corn, wheat and raw dairy (milk) from my childhood. My G1/Hunter genetics have evolved over the past 100,000-plus years. The transition to organized agriculture only came to be about 10,000 years or so ago. This means that at least 90,000 years worth of my ancestors were not vegan. They ate, and thrived, on a meat-centric diet.

Though change is inevitable in life, it rarely happens overnight. So it is with this. You could say that, even those of us today that are G1/Hunters, we're still a part of society's gradual evolution toward an increasingly sophisticated global-scale agricultural system (at least until another natural cataclysmic change event occurs, that is). The bulk of the animal products in my diet are farm- or ranch-raised. Less than 10-percent are wild game/fowl. Likewise, less than 10-percent of the plant matter that I eat is wildcrafted. The rest of it is raised by me (not so much) or farmers (most of it). Just as it has with other GenoTypes, modern agriculture has modified hunter-gatherers, too.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 1:40am; Reply: 12
Thank you for sharing these thoughts with us, Conor.  :)
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, June 29, 2012, 10:20pm; Reply: 13
Eating a vegan or vegetarian meal is enough of a disaster with me that I have never tried to adopt that kind of diet.  Supervised starving worked wonders by comparison.  My three day juice fast in a spa helped reduce my appetite and detoxify me from the alcohol that I had consumed in my youth.

Steam seems to work wonders for me and I recommend you test that for yourself, Ommatter.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, June 29, 2012, 11:46pm; Reply: 14
Paul,
I often comment on how much my youngest son (O-) eats at any given meal. He kind of looks like Brendan but much more muscular. I think he is a hunter but it could be he borders on explorer. He rolls his eyes at my insisting on our family eating the "D'Adamo way" yet asks me for deflect and proberry all the time!

At 24 years old his instinct tells him to eat more protein and veggies than anything else. Never a really big breakfast eater, he does eat oatmeal or yogurt and bananas daily. He is always asking for more meat and like you, truly cannot thrive without it.

As far as O's and vegan lifestyle....my yoga teacher thanked me for showing her ER4YT and telling her about how I eat. She followed a typical A blood type diet until I convinced her to get her blood typed. Good thing, she is O- and a hunter! As much as she objected to eating meat, she is now thriving because of it. ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 12:04am; Reply: 15
Quoted from cajun
...my yoga teacher thanked me for showing her ER4YT and telling her about how I eat. She followed a typical A blood type diet until I convinced her to get her blood typed. Good thing, she is O- and a hunter! As much as she objected to eating meat, she is now thriving because of it. ;)


That's fantastic Cajun, when someone actually listens and is willing to have an open mind to change how they eat.
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, July 1, 2012, 4:09am; Reply: 16
Victoria,
I know! :D She is still in college and wants to be involved in nutrition or become a naturopath someday! She did start with small amounts of chicken and turkey..she already ate some fish...then went on to grass fed beef. She feels so much better eating meat! ;)

Paul,
I believe we discussed my sons genotype before and came to the conclusion that he is a hunter. He certainly craves meat!
Posted by: weekender, Monday, July 2, 2012, 5:26am; Reply: 17
I am new to BTD and GTD, and waiting for my copy of SWAMI to arrive any day now.
What I do know from paying attention to my body over the past 15yrs is that I cannot go for even a few days of not eating red meat without feeling truly awful. It affects my mood and I get bad anxiety.

I have been plagued with poor health for the majority of my life, and I'm the only one in my family with digestive and general health problems. I actually worked out via a variety of methods over the past 15 years - trial and error, IgG testing etc many of the beneficial foods, and avoids that are prescribed for me as an O nonnie explorer. One thing I know for sure is that I feel much better when I eat beef regularly (most days). Chicken doesn't do the same good things for me. Lentils have never made me feel good. My body very clearly tells me which kinds of proteins it likes, but not everyone's bodies shout quite so loudly as others  :)

I'm interested see what SWAMI has to say for me.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 2, 2012, 5:34am; Reply: 18
:)

once you input all your data into swami, click on the 'compute my genotype' box

tell us how you had your secretor test done in Melbourne
Posted by: Conor, Monday, July 2, 2012, 7:06am; Reply: 19
Quoted from weekender
Chicken doesn't do the same good things for me. Lentils have never made me feel good . . .

Hi weekender, glad you found the forums. Coincidentally, lentils was one of those "health foods" that never made me feel good, either. Was so glad to find out that it wasn't for me. Made sense, as have a lot of foods that I intuitively didn't like and subsequently came to find out that they're listed as avoids. I also hear you about chicken. It resonated with me when SWAMI identified that flying fowl are more beneficial for me than ground-based poultry. All the best to you going forward. There's definitely a wealth of beneficial resources here, but the members are what really makes it unique ... especially those who've been regulars here for years and are so willing to freely share what they've learned with others.
Posted by: weekender, Monday, July 2, 2012, 10:57am; Reply: 20
I have "consulted" informally with a naturopath friend who takes a real interest in the blood type diet. According to my health history, and quite a lot of interesting questions that she asked, she deduced that I was a non-secreting explorer. We have been trialling me according to that assumption with the beneficial foods, and also looking at the avoids. I have felt substantially better by reducing some of the foods like cucumber, cauliflower, capers, leek, olives, kidney beans and coconut milk. I have known for a long time that wheat, dairy, potatoes, kiwi, honeydew, oranges are not friends of mine.

Waiting currently on results from the secretor test kit to confirm my secretor status, which take a while apparently to get from one side of the world to the other!

Obviously SWAMI will help me refine it all and help me to be clearer about what I should and shouldn't be eating - and may even possibly change me from an explorer to some other type. Hurry up and arrive!!!
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 6:57pm; Reply: 21
I have a number of O friends who resist the diet for various reasons (I also have lots of O friends who regularly thank me for turning them on to the diets, because they have lost weight, "lost" allergies/asthma, "lost" arthritis, etc.

The ones who don't want to change the  way they eat are often vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, or vegan; often addicted to wheat and other grains; or addicted to dairy. They have frequently bought into the belief that red meat is bad for them. That was me, 20 years ago. I try to be patient and just share my positive experiences. When they comment on how much energy I have (one 29 year-old notes I have more energy and staying power than she does, and I'm 58), or mention their allergies and colds to me, I simply say that I too suffered from those things before I ate for my blood type, now genotype.

I think the thing that brings home to me the power of living like this is that I see people much younger than I (who work out, do yoga, limit their calories and a host of other practices to maximize their health) have less energy, get sick a lot more, and generally don't realize they are burning their candles at both ends. They thingk they are fit because they are slim or relatively muscular, but they don't factor in how much of life they miss because they need a nap every day, or have a cold every month or 2. (I haven't had a cold in over 10 years- 3-4 a year was my old standard).

I don't do the diet 100%-- because I can't bring myself to work out that much (too boring!). I garden vigorously, live a rural life style that requires cutting and hauling firewood weekly among other chores, and spend a lot of time out of doors.
I feel a lot younger than my years, so far, and that counts for a lot with me.  
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, July 5, 2012, 12:50pm; Reply: 22
Some who are vegan actually have an eating disorder or a social anxiety disorder.  Unfortunately, AMA-trained medical professionals actually praise vegans for following the diet without realizing the underlying disorder.

http://square--peg.blogspot.com/2012/05/veganism-sanctioned-eating-disorder.html

Posted by: Possum, Friday, July 6, 2012, 5:12am; Reply: 23
Hi weekender & welcome from a fellow Aussie... ;) What part of Melbourne are you in?
Posted by: weekender, Friday, July 6, 2012, 11:39am; Reply: 24
Hi Possum! I live in Port Melbourne. You're in NZ? Are you from Australia originally?
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 5:41pm; Reply: 25
I have a number of O friends who resist the diet for various reasons (I also have lots of O friends who regularly thank me for turning them on to the diets, because they have lost weight, "lost" allergies/asthma, "lost" arthritis, etc.

.....

I feel a lot younger than my years, so far, and that counts for a lot with me.  
It's amazing what some people can loose with the right kind of help.   ;)

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