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Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 3:30pm
I seem to go back to this darn ice cream (something cold) every so often.. so I ask this question... would a addict like me be better of eating whipped cream -a little made in the magic bullet in seconds- and add some instant decaf or cocoa powder?  I wonder - not to give me permission - embarrassed, but just asking...  
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 4:19pm; Reply: 1
You not really just asking Goldie, you ARE looking for permission lol. NO! ;)

"which is better death by an Axe or a chainsaw, you decide. :0

It's in the realm of a novel idea called "Will Power" a friend of "sensible"

read the thing on addiction, that I sent you, AGAIN. every day if necessary.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 4:34pm; Reply: 2
Make "ice cream" with frozen bananas, Goldie.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 4:47pm; Reply: 3
but not too much and not too often oxo
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:07pm; Reply: 4
I think balance is the key. When we keep telling ourselves "I can't do/have that" it sends negative stress to the mind and body.

So I ask, what's worse? An ocassional indulgence of something "bad" or negative stress because we "have to" limit ourselves? No one is perfect.

I feel this diet is wonderful, but we are human and shouldn't it be ok to cut ourselves some slack sometimes? Obviously some of us here have serious medical issues and a slip-up could actually be no good.

But for those of us with no serious medical issues...

Just ask yourself, what's more important in your life? Perfection of following a diet to the letter or a stress-free mentality?

Stress is a killer, not the occasional indulgence in dairy. My grandfather is an O who is 97 and eats a balanced diet including dairy and coffee. A big part of his longevity is that he has very little stress in his life.

Food is meant to be a joyous experience, if you allow it. Just giving you another perspective :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:37pm; Reply: 5
I use organic heavy cream now and then for a treat. Whipped on berries, or a splash in chai. Ice cream has sugar....that's the culprit.
(blend frozen blueberries with heavy cream and stevia for a delicious ice cream)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:43pm; Reply: 6
Goldie, you're the only person on this website who keeps talking about " I can't eat neutrals- only beneficials!" and then continually gets plagued by cravings for outright avoids.

I think your diet is too restrictive, and that's what's leading to the cravings. Sugar and dairy are poisons for you and me, but neutrals are foods to be enjoyed in moderation! You also may need more calories in your daily diet and/or more fat. Perhaps you'd find an end to your cravings if you ate some extra ghee or olive oil with your meals, even though it would mean going over SWAMI reccomended portions for dairy or fats.

What are your neutral  and beneficial cheeses Goldie? As an O Nonnie Gatherer like me, I'm guessing your cheeses are all soft cheeses such as ricotta or quark. How about whipping up some compliant cheese with cocoa powder, then freezing that? You'll have chocolate ice cream, with no guilt and no cravings when you eat it.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 5:57pm; Reply: 7
Difficult to get across the point about food addiction. without going over a lot of stuff we have already and also getting across in a fun way - but..... ;)

I also know People who are older and don't eat perfectly but they didn't have so many vaccines if any, they didn't drink and eat the way people do today. so with respect it's not always the same.

I' know Goldie well and the reply was aimed at her, with humour which i know she will appreciate.

To be fair to you, Stress is a big part of it.

but Food is actually there to help us survive also, it may well be joyous for some and an indulgence on occasion but if you eat stuff you are not supposed in addition to toxins and environmental stuff to you will get ill, eventually.

If you are already a diabetic with other complications ;) you need to think differently.

I also think the "balance is the key" is over used and also used as an excuse sometimes. balance is perhaps one of the many keys but it is not enough on it's own and is open to a wide degree of variation and misinterpretation, by other mere mortals perhaps. :)


Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 6:06pm; Reply: 8
Goldie, try eating a salad every day with a nice pesto made with a lovely extra virgin olive oil.

I think Ruthie is right re the oils, although i am not a fan of the cocoa to be honest, but we have covered that before.

how much coil oil do you use a day and what kind? oil may be a key but the salad is another one.

as always though remember what i said about too much water not helping.

Put that Ice cream Down Girl !! ;)

make the pesto your indulgence - it works for me. fresh basil, glove of garlic or two, sea salt. cold pressed extra virgin organic oil. it's so nice it makes you have a salad every day just to get more, a soup spoon or two will be loads and within swami guidelines (check).

I even had some pesto on some cod this evening, yummy licking lips thinking about it - lol
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:02pm; Reply: 9
What I do for cravings is that I buy and eat the purest ice cream that I can find, such as Breyers, or I choose Stonyfield Farm frozen yogurt.  (Both yogurt and cow's milk are outright avoids on my SWAMI, but at least the yogurt is organic.)  Then I add beneficials, such as carob powder and pecans or almond butter to moderate the glycemic index.

If you're interested in advice, here's mine:

1.  Find someone who practices acupuncture and request the Five Needle Protocol for Addiction.  (I've written about this before.)  This is supposed to work for cravings, too.

2.  Watch out for the ingredients in whipping cream.  It's been a long time since I've seen a carton without dextrose and/or carrageenan.

3.  Watch out also for the ingredients in ice cream.

4.  Take deflect for Type O.

5.  Try your cocoa beverage with a base of hot green tea, peppermint tea, or yerba mate instead of cream and add 1/2 tsp ghee (for the "milk" fat) plus a pinch of sea salt.  You can sweeten that if you want, but I keep it savory.  Try adding Cinnamon, too, if it's not an avoid.

Good luck!
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, December 1, 2011, 11:41pm; Reply: 10
:K) ::) ;) ;D :P  I am  having fun reading all your responses..

LISTEN all::::  THANKS .. I am so pleased for all the responses from my PARTNERS .. I love the feelings I got from reading it all.. hahahahahaha  Thanks..  

PC your email does not come through, I did all that I could to add you, but something is blocking you.. .. can you post the links here???????? Please..

The idea of Quark and banana or whatever is VERY great.. QUESTION:

I am familiar with quark in 2 ways.... with cream or low fat.. which is better?/

I can have.. ........ but which is better..  
Milk: 6 ounces; Cheeses: 2-4 ounces; Ghee and Butter 1 teaspoon
Frequency: 4 servings weekly.

SUPER FOODS NEUTRALS  
Ghee, Clarified Butter
Quark Cheese

NEUTRALS  ..........  at least some are cream based.. **
Butter
Cottage Cheese
Farmer Cheese
Manchego Cheese
Paneer Cheese
Ricotta Cheese
Romanian Urda


ONE THING you all cleared up for me .... cream is better then all the stuff in store bought..

I will do Quark.. with banana.. and cocoa... nice idea..

MILK gives me stomach aches.. cream does not... **so maybe 'cream' it will be.. as a test !

LISTEN all::::  THANKS .. I am so pleased for all the responses from my PARTNERS .. I love the feelings I got from reading it all.. hahahahahaha ;D Thanks..  






  

Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 12:14am; Reply: 11
OK so here some other "excuse ' making responses.. haha

Put that Ice cream Down Girl !! YES I NEED someone to say that .. I miss having had that proverbial FATHER .. mine was long distance and i called him Papa.. ha ha if ever he told me what to do I would have fainted.. or cut him out of my life.. (Is there on answer in that???? )   PC you as my Dad would have made me into a lier..

Ruthy girl... Stress I stood in line for >>>>  Willpower, I was not even in the same room when it was given to me by the (snow white) 'fairies' -- --- It must be that one with the thorn that left me with the ice cream 'habit'....  :-/ ................... NOW, where is that prince..

Talking about a Prince.. hormones really make  a difference in what food does on the inside.. I used to drop weight in direct relation to how much I 'anticipated' the arrival of that prince..  :o

Ha..  there is a direct relation to anticipation and endorphins.   :B

jayneeo... Your ideas match some of mine.. nice going.. ;D

Star Pine.. yes grandpas ate all as did the rest of my family and some got cancer, but I came down with the diabetes Gene and so some things affect me more then others..

I get sleepy real quick, I mean I can sleep 1.5 hour after every sweet or snack or main meal.. not exhausted/tired as I used be a few years ago, when I was tooooo tired to breath... but I need to keep my energy up to have a life. Even A whole banana and other fruit makes me sleepy..

I used to be in pain and agony when exercising or walking, yet, now on BTD for 16 years, I can do some and feel ok.. but it's like a chore I don't care for.. so eating would be nice, if I could, but my health numbers where bad and only recently changed to the better (after dropping weight), To stay that weight and health I need to stay real compliant.. I am at least 95% of the time, but I can succumb for some things but would be willing to make it a 'beneficial.. ice cream is one of the foods I muse over..

I tried the OIL thing recently, it helped with bathroom visits I think, but did nothing for the munchies..

SquarePeg... ....Then I add beneficials, such as carob powder and pecans or almond butter to moderate the glycemic index.  INTERESTING ... I like nuts in ice cream and chocolate too.

If you're interested in advice, here's mine:  ALLLLWAYS even if it comes with WAGGGGING fingers ha ha  :K)

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1.  Find someone who practices acupuncture and request the Five Needle Protocol for Addiction.  (I've written about this before.)  This is supposed to work for cravings, too.


That one interests me.. I wonder if we have such specialists.. just the one point in front of the ears made me MORE hungry.. so this might be different.. I will call around..

THANKS ALLLLLLLLL !




  
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, December 2, 2011, 1:14am; Reply: 12
Goldie, if you have to go for ice cream or whipped cream, I would recommend the whipped cream since you can have it without the sugar, which is a problem with your diabetes.  Add some cocoa powder (I know how much you love it) and live it up once in a while.

Sometimes cheating, as long as you do not suffer afterwards, makes you feel a bit devilish and more in control of your own life.  I love ice cream, too, and do cheat with it once in a while, but I don;t have diabetes or anything close to glucose problems.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, December 2, 2011, 5:21am; Reply: 13
You need some positive support to reinforce your goals of staying on your SWAMI and not eating these foods.  I say that because you have diabetes, right, or you are pre diabetic.

You need to find someone you can talk to when you have these cravings, (imho)

because you need to keep in the forefront of your mind those positive thoughts of staying compliant.  For your health.  Your health.  Your goal (imho) should be better health.

It takes at least ten positive statements (usually much more) to drown out that negative, craving statement.

Look in the mirror and talk to yourself out loud.  Give yourself at least 25-50 positive statements about your goals (I would write those out and tape them up all over your house) and staying on your SWAMI.  Everytime you pass one of those goals taped up all over your house, speak it out loud.

Sharing with the best of intentions.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 12:19pm; Reply: 14
OHHHH ..... I Love it...... I agree... yet I seem to do it here?  maybe really.. look for some serious issue ...........or at least a diversion?

I am going to do something about frozen something.. just how does one make something soft again after it is frozen solid? Like water melon chunks are so solid.. banana slices stays soft as do prunes.. : but they all have sugar?  

I can go with :

Carob ◊

Pumpkin Seeds ◊
Walnuts ◊

Guava ◊

Celery Juice ◊
Elderberry Juice ◊
Ginger Root Tea ◊

Somehow I can make something out of all these and make Quark to mix it with...

It is obvious here that I do not show other 'real foods' with these.. so it is 'dessert' = stressed foods that I am looking to????  Satisfy alone-ness,  boredom?   Just might be//  I will see if I can make it and then feel ok with it..

It's the cream that makes icecream softer and available or the sugar? ... then is it the no-no or the sugar?

Time to go walking - 2 miles.. will think about it.. Thanks all ...
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, December 2, 2011, 12:40pm; Reply: 15
It's the dozens of little choices we make every day that determines the outcome of a trajectory of diabetes.  For example, the choice between the taking the stairs versus the elevator, the beef jerky versus the candy bar, going to bed when you're tired at night versus staying up to watch TV, etc.

I'll add one more recommendation: read "Sugar Nation," which you might be able to get through an inter-library loan.  If this doesn't scare you off of sugar, you might want to consider profession help.

Good luck!
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 2:25pm; Reply: 16
I am allowed 2 slices of bread or beans carbs a day.. I do not eat any grains, nor beans...

I eat protein powder 1 scoop 75 calories..  alternating with daily egg for breakfast..

I eat vegetables 2/3 cup portions lunch and dinner -plain most days.  Would love mayo or vinegar but its avoid..  
I eat meat 4 oz.. plain fresh cooked lunch and dinner, with cayenne spices and olive oil (for now)

I have 1 small fruit during in the day. Recently found 1 Diamond Guava satisfying... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes, but on LOW carbs only 1 is allowed.  

Snacks are either some 90% chocolate, or (seldom -dream of) a scoop of choc ice cream with a sugar cone..

I drink cocoa in water in the morning and water the rest of the day.

I drink coffee plain only when I have severe headache.

So you see: I have no grains and no other sugars, unless I eat a banana when visiting sis.

Oils are on issue, but even when I added some by the table spoon full, recently, it still left me wanting what I call - 'something'..... and holiday and alone time is on issue..

I can have some sweet or starch if I don't have another fruit.. So I could have some a scoop  of Quark on Swami - so with chocolate or some fruit flavor it could become ice cream .. guilt free .. IF ever I figure out what is better..

ON BTD.. IT does not say if cream or low fat is better.. I don't eat any dairy other then a dab of butter per week..
Cream has no carbs..  low fat does have some carbs - but milk gives me stomach pains..  

So here is the 'rub'.. what to consider better: Cream or NONE!!! -----NONE ---as in going to dun a 'black and white' HABIT with wings on the head???  OR correct old memories of my horrid early childhood teachers >:( - dressed in blk (choc) and white as snow -- (is that the connection to childhood = chocolate in a fresh bread bakery and white snow? to counter the nun's that tormented me? :-/)

Yet, if it is to be NONE of the treats....  then,  ::) I might as well become a 'flying off the handle' Nun.  ;D

There has to be a way to find eat GUILT and calorie free treats..  :P  

Maybe pieces of frozen O bars?? I wonder?.. what is in them and how many carbs and calories?  :X ;)

I am going to see what PC sent me in email..




Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 2:28pm; Reply: 17
What is glutamine water.. where to get it?  

My sugar numbers are coming down, so long as I stay compliant on the foods above.. at least some good thing!
Posted by: O in Virginia, Friday, December 2, 2011, 2:32pm; Reply: 18
I once had a recipe (years ago) for buttermilk ice cream, which I never tried, but as Quark is made from buttermilk it might be worth making own ice cream from Quark.  You could add some grated lemon zest, and use a compliant sweetener.  Do you have an ice cream maker?  You might be able to do it another way if not.  I don't know whether or not it would work, might need to add some heavy cream, too, for the right texture. but just a thought.  If I was absolutely jonesin' for ice cream, and I KNEW that regular ice cream would make me very sick, I would experiment to come up with an alternative.  What have you tried so far, Goldie?  Do you like banana?  Have you tried the frozen banana trick (whir it up in a food processor with compliant flavorings)?  I still haven't tried that one, and I keep promising myself I will.
Posted by: Drea, Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:20pm; Reply: 19
Not a nonnie, but my fridge froze everything in it solid last week, and one of those items was a half-gallon of plain yogurt. I personally like plain yogurt, so I ate it like ice cream (or...wait for it...frozen yogurt! ;D). When the fridge stopped being "broke", the yogurt went back to it's normal consistency, none the worse for the experience.
Posted by: Dianne, Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:55pm; Reply: 20
Last year I made ice cream using cashews which is now an avoid; I hope to experiment in the spring with nuts & such from my SWAMI. I used to soak goji berries and use the soaking water for sweetening and things like lucuma powder, lo huan powder etc... perhaps you can make some type of ice cream using quark as your base.

My husband was using the computer last night so I tried looking at this site on an i-pod and it would be too much to type a long answer on one of those!

But I got a good chuckle when I saw the title and thought: "Goldie strikes again!" I understand your quest though as I felt that way about cinnamon buns this year. A gluten-free place opened in our neighbourhood and they have compliant ones for me now that I know I am a Secretor. You'll figure out a recipe eventually I'm sure. But thanks for the chuckle. I'll eat two of these per month and the cinnamon craving monster has settled down. ;D
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 4:04pm; Reply: 21
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Do you have an ice cream maker?


yes but have no book.. could I call you to discuss?

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If I was absolutely jonesin' for ice cream, and I KNEW that regular ice cream would make me very sick, I would experiment to come up with an alternative.
    I do not get sick at all .. but calories / carbs?? are they to be considered?? I think yes....

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What have you tried so far, Goldie?


staying away, seems to be best, but feels punitive.. and sometimes I do have on ice cream with cone.. feeling guilty, because: it can drive me out of bed at 11 at night.. that is where the addiction is on issue.. I HAVE no control over thinking at such a time -- I can only make better choices.. like less or exchange for 90% chocolate..    

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Do you like banana?
   I love frozen banana slices, but I try to reduce them to a minimum.. the same with prunes.. love them, but one is to many a thousand not enough..

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Have you tried the frozen banana trick (whir it up in a food processor with compliant flavorings)?  I still haven't tried that one, and I keep promising myself I will.


The only issue I have with most frozen things they are SOLID.. and I am afraid to use my bullet to crush the ices.. as for flavorings.. fruit would do it.. watermelon cut up, frozen is sold ice.. and still full of sugar/calories.

If I where to use fruits -- like carrot juice or orange juices (avoids) - it takes way to many to make a portion and then I am back to many calories..  

so, cocoa is a cheap calorie/carb wise flavoring.. drink or sprinkled.  

I think it comes down to home made Quark.. with buttermilk.. what does it look like? is it like that blue stuff? might it give me stomach pain?  I could try it.. and see..  

Buttermilk.. Serving Size 100g - 3 oz, 1 scoop?)
Calories 58 , Fat 2.07g ,  Carbs 5.48g , Protein 4.24g

I tried to look up equivalents for cream on google,, try it .. its near impossible to figure out.. my books say

Calories  maybe 195?     Carbs 1/2 cup 3.2     whipped 1/2 pint  3.g grams..

so what to decide.. GUILT FREE.. since I don't KNOW if cream in quark is avoid.. I will try buttermilk.. if it does not gross me out to look at it.. (had no white milk dairy for 35 years)  

maybe I make (rice) pudding add on egg, with one of these...  could be a good substitute!!!!!!
Amaranth
Artichoke Flour, Pasta ◊
Essene, Manna Bread ◊
Flaxseed Bread (containing allowable grains) ◊
Fonio
Job's Tears, Coix spp.
Kudzu
Larch Fiber
Quinoa
Teff
????????????????????? never had any of these... only quinoa, but it has no umpf.. needs to many additives to make it taste like anything.. might as well have chocolate..

(rice is neutral but puts me to sleep..

oh, the conundrum.. of guilt and waist line..  ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, December 2, 2011, 7:21pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Goldie
I am allowed 2 slices of bread or beans carbs a day.. I do not eat any grains, nor beans...

I eat protein powder 1 scoop 75 calories..  alternating with daily egg for breakfast..

I have 1 small fruit during in the day. Recently found 1 Diamond Guava satisfying... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes, but on LOW carbs only 1 is allowed.  

Snacks are either some 90% chocolate, or (seldom -dream of) a scoop of choc ice cream with a sugar cone..


So you see: I have no grains and no other sugars, unless I eat a banana when visiting sis.


I can have some sweet or starch if I don't have another fruit.. So I could have some a scoop  of Quark on Swami - so with chocolate or some fruit flavor it could become ice cream .. guilt free .. IF ever I figure out what is better..


Something that is jumping out at me is that you don't seem to eat beans or grains.  Your carbohydrate intake is low, yet your body does need carbs.  I think that is what you are desperately craving, yet you select sweet foods to try and meed your carb need.  It seems that you are setting yourself up to lose control.  I'd rather see you eat beans and/or 1/2 cup of cooked grains (in the evening if they make you sleepy) than to wait until your body is demanding carbs and then trying to fight the compulsion to stay away from sweets/dairy.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:47pm; Reply: 23
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to wait until your body is demanding carbs and then trying to fight the compulsion to stay away from sweets/dairy.


So what is the difference if I eat some chocolate, or a scoop of ice cream instead of beans or starches... ?

Yes I could make rice pudding but it would be no more nor less compliant then either of the above.  I would add some sugar, be it in fruit or berries or some other flavor..

Like I started out with .. what is better? Or as I see it.. to some extent... it's not the food, but the IDEA of food that makes me the addict.. see it or think of it and I am a victim and do not wish to be.. SO WHAT is the lesser of evils???

PC please send me the text to the links via this PM site .. the other just does not arrive!!!
Posted by: Debra+, Friday, December 2, 2011, 8:59pm; Reply: 24
As a nonnie...sugar is our poison...very much so.  

I am with Victoria on the (compliant) bread and (compliant) beans.   As a gatherer...Dr. D recommends these and he is right.   Beans are excellent for losing weight.   In small amounts like everything else that is NOT an AVOID.   Tooooo many avoids girl.   Really, really, really.  

To again quote jeanb...one avoid = one dress size.   :X

Debra :)

P.S. Chocolate has sugar and so does ice cream. ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, December 2, 2011, 9:07pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Goldie


So what is the difference if I eat some chocolate, or a scoop of ice cream instead of beans or starches... ?

Yes I could make rice pudding but it would be no more nor less compliant then either of the above.  I would add some sugar, be it in fruit or berries or some other flavor..

Like I started out with .. what is better? Or as I see it.. to some extent... it's not the food, but the IDEA of food that makes me the addict.. see it or think of it and I am a victim and do not wish to be.. SO WHAT is the lesser of evils???


Goldie, the difference is that you are a sugar addict and that addiction can kill you.
Posted by: Debra+, Friday, December 2, 2011, 10:17pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Victoria
Goldie, the difference is that you are a sugar addict and that addiction can kill you.



And...when you are allergic or have intolerances...you get cravings for those said avoids like sugar, etc.  

In the beginning, I tried to deny this also...just doesn't work that way.   You need to get your head wrapped around the fact that sugar is an avoid for you and once you do that...all is well.   :D

Debra :)

P.S.   And as the great one says...'just follow the book and don't look for magic fixes that are going to get you off the hook...do the work.'
Posted by: Dianne, Friday, December 2, 2011, 10:30pm; Reply: 27
It is so true about the beans and grains, there is a reason why Dr. D'Adamo has them in the SWAMI. Veggies and fruit and the 45 oz. of protein allowed through fish, red meat and poultry & 6 eggs for week would leave me hungry. I pre-soak and cook my grains and beans, I believe that they provide important nutrients for the body. Look how Balletomane was recommended to up her grains and I think she's a hunter. The SWAMI print out recommends to limit the grains to a certain amount not to eliminate them completely. The weight is keeping off and I definitely feel more balanced, energy and mental clarity from consuming them.

One day a week, I usually feel like eating lightly and I believe it's because I'm an Explorer and my liver wants a holiday. I've always been like that with food, I listen to my body and then the next day we are happy and ready to go.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 12:32am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Goldie


I eat vegetables 2/3 cup portions lunch and dinner -plain most days.  Would love mayo or vinegar but its avoid..  is that 2/3 or 2-3 which would be more likely better.

I eat meat 4 oz.. plain fresh cooked lunch and dinner, with cayenne spices and olive oil (for now) i would have though you would be limited to 3 meat meal a week, 3 poultry a week and 4 fish a week- meanig perhaps ou are eating toomuch meat?

I have 1 small fruit during in the day. Recently found 1 Diamond Guava satisfying... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes, but on LOW carbs only 1 is allowed.   portion wise a guava would be 4 fruits (you being allowed a small fruit liake a small plumb as one protion -

Snacks are either some 90% chocolate, or (seldom -dream of) a scoop of choc ice cream with a sugar cone.. (this is not on swami Goldie tut tut, if you have this you have to not have something else - oxo

I drink cocoa in water in the morning and water the rest of the day. (addicted to cocoa- did yo get my two EMAILS EARLY THIS MORNING?

I drink coffee plain only when I have severe headache. IT WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE STOP!

So you see: I have no grains and no other sugars, unless I eat a banana when visiting sis.

Oils are on issue, but even when I added some by the table spoon full, recently, it still left me wanting what I call - 'something'..... and holiday and alone time is on issue..

I can have some sweet or starch if I don't have another fruit.. So I could have some a scoop  of Quark on Swami - so with chocolate or some fruit flavor it could become ice cream .. guilt free .. IF ever I figure out what is better..

ON BTD.. IT does not say if cream or low fat is better.. I don't eat any dairy other then a dab of butter per week..
Cream has no carbs..  low fat does have some carbs - but milk gives me stomach pains..  

So here is the 'rub'.. what to consider better: Cream or NONE!!! -----NONE ---as in going to dun a 'black and white' HABIT with wings on the head???  OR correct old memories of my horrid early childhood teachers >:( - dressed in blk (choc) and white as snow -- (is that the connection to childhood = chocolate in a fresh bread bakery and white snow? to counter the nun's that tormented me? :-/)

Yet, if it is to be NONE of the treats....  then,  ::) I might as well become a 'flying off the handle' Nun.  ;D

There has to be a way to find eat GUILT and calorie free treats..  :P  

Maybe pieces of frozen O bars?? I wonder?.. what is in them and how many carbs and calories?  :X ;)

I am going to see what PC sent me in email..



I sent you a big stick to spank your bottom with eating all these avoids LOL coffee, ice cream too much fruit, have some more salads like i told you girl oxo -
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:57am; Reply: 29
P/C I am trying another route for your emails.. Yours seem blocked no matter what I do..  You might hear from my IT...

Guava ... the one I eat is about one inch big..

•1 medium guava, including seeds and skin (about 2 oz): 5 grams effective (net) carbohydrate plus 3 grams fiber and 37 calories..  

What is the concern about eating sugar?? /carbs//// carbs are carbs.. from beans, rice, breads and and fruit.. all have CARBS..  I don't eat sugar other then in fruits.. most of my vegetables are low glycimic..  
I think on average I get 100 carbs a day, from veg, salad, fruit and choc.  

I 'cheat' with a whole banana 2x a month, or 90% choc. or occasional ice cream with cone, or  sprinkle cheese..  I am confused about 'lowering' those .. can you explain?  

My cocoa powder has 5 g (bean) carbs per cup and 10 calories.. I drink 3 cups which is more then allowed in 'condiment' /spices.   I Like the warmth of hot water..
I don't like lemon water .. teas leave me empty..  
  

I seldom eat chicken any more/contaminated/ it's neutral now on Swami .. never grew up with it..
I ate turkey for a year on gatherer, leaves me hungry.. Swami has it as Beneficial -
I never tried Ostrich ◊ Pheasant ◊ Squab ◊   I would not know where to buy it..    
Fish I can not stand the flavor of unless it is tuna with mayo....
that leaves lean meat ..  for 2 meals..
(protein from beans I am afraid of, I would need to eat more to feel full.
1 egg a day on Swami ..  

coffee ... I can go days without headaches and have no need for coffee..
when I get headaches weeks on end -for 6 hours any time of day - I choose coffee in place of a pill.. what else to take for it?.. (similar to Trygeminal nerve pain..) pills are on issue!..
I took thousands during my life of fibro pain I had until 4 years ago....  

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 10:13am; Reply: 30
Debra..

Quoted Text
Tooooo many avoids girl.   Really, really, really.  


can you show me where? or how?  or better why?

---- Do you never eat any sugar?  

I have carbs 5 times a day.. in green vegetables, in cocoa powder, in fruit, in choc. with walnuts ..

my cheat is 5% in all else when out of the house.. (dairy in icecream, grains in bread, legumes/beans in banana).  
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:42pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Goldie
What is the concern about eating sugar?? /carbs//// carbs are carbs.. from beans, rice, breads and and fruit.. all have CARBS..  I don't eat sugar other then in fruits.. most of my vegetables are low glycimic..  
I think on average I get 100 carbs a day, from veg, salad, fruit and choc.  

Yes and No...

Sugar is a carbohydrate, but not all carbohydrates are treated equally in the body.  The more processed the carb is, the faster it gets into the bloodstream, causing a greater insulin rush, etc...  Sugar is worse than white rice, which is worse than brown rice, etc...

The amount of carb may be the same but how much processing time determines how big the blood sugar spike is that your body has to deal with.  The more spiking your blood sugar does leads to insulin resistance - as I recall...

I find I do much better with natural sugars, from fruit, veggies, or whole grains rather than processed sources - such as white or brown sugar.  Maple syrup and honey are somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 3:50pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Goldie


So what is the difference if I eat some chocolate, or a scoop of ice cream instead of beans or starches... ?

Yes I could make rice pudding but it would be no more nor less compliant then either of the above.  I would add some sugar, be it in fruit or berries or some other flavor..

Like I started out with .. what is better? Or as I see it.. to some extent... it's not the food, but the IDEA of food that makes me the addict.. see it or think of it and I am a victim and do not wish to be.. SO WHAT is the lesser of evils???

PC please send me the text to the links via this PM site .. the other just does not arrive!!!


You're an O. You know the answer to this question.  And if you don't, then you really do not understand the diet and the importance of only eating beneficial and neutral foods on your SWAMI.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 4:00pm; Reply: 33
Goldie, why do you not eat stevia? I eat it everyday. And I never eat sugar! I may put it in tea, delicous in peppermint tea or ginger tea, or when I really need a comfort food I make hot rice cereal (rice grits) and top it with cinnamon and stevia and ghee!!! Fabulous! ;D
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 4:25pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from KimonoKat


You're an O. You know the answer to this question.  And if you don't, then you really do not understand the diet and the importance of only eating beneficial and neutral foods on your SWAMI.


LOL exactly! It's called addiction.

Goldie - open a hotmail email account and i'll send them to it. oxo
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 4:28pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from KimonoKat


You're an O. You know the answer to this question.  And if you don't, then you really do not understand the diet and the importance of only eating beneficial and neutral foods on your SWAMI.


KK...not just an O...but a nonnie to boot. Bigger issues here. ;)

Debra :)

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 4:42pm; Reply: 36
I do not ever eat sugar.. only in cocoa powder in hot water.. I don't think there is sugar in that..

I do not eat sugar substitutes,

I eat only fresh foods.  

1 or sometimes 2 fruits a day ... a guava or some pineapple.. or a banana out of the house 2 x a month.

and 90% choc ..  

occasionally ice cream.. when out of the house..

no other carbs unless you consider green vegetables or zucchini steamed in water as a carb.or walnuts. I do not count them as such.. seldom use salad dressing.. 1 -2 Yams a month.

I eat no starches, no dairy (other then ice cream 2x a month), no grains, no beans, nor rice and nothing white, and nothing store prepared....

So YES ... please educate me on where I am overdoing the carbs and sugar.. I just don't understand that part.. Thanks..


Today: This is my foods most days..  

I -3 cups of cocoa in hot water.

1 egg with steamed zuccini for breakfast

3-4 oz steak  with spinach or celery or Belgian endive for lunch
"            "        "       green salad or sometimes yam for dinner

in between 1 guava, and maybe another at night

Snack walnuts and some 90% choc.







  
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 5:04pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Goldie
Debra.. can you show me where? or how?  or better why? COFFEE for one...I have not had a coffee in over seven years...I don't even want to imagine what it would do to me.  I used to be like you and drink coffee not so often during the week and that was one of the things that would give me a migraine...withdrawal.  Especially Tim Horton coffee.   I never really drank coffee till I came here to the town I live in now.  My parents always had coffee at home, but it never really interested me.
Bananas and fruits...if they are giving you sugar problems then they are not for you.   I try to stick with the fruits on my Swami...watermelon pieces dipped in cocoa powder is one of my favorites, banana...not so often as it is neutral and I tend not to lose when I eat those...just maintain...guava, mango, grapefruits, can't remember some of them right now.  Stick to what is on your Swami and go from there...yes, even on Swami some of the things will give me grief so I stay away from them.
Whipping cream and ice cream...soooooo bad...even the whipping cream without the sugar...dairy...I stay away.


---- Do you never eat any sugar? About the only sugar I get would be in a fruit.  I was making my flaxseed/quinoa bread with Agave Nectar, but took that out as it causes cravings for me.   I was never one for the sweets very much except when I used to have those times of the month and then I could wolf down 4-5 chocolate bars in a sitting...then, of course, the migraines would start. ;-)  You asked me if I never eat sugar...I did about three weeks ago on one of my friends homemade goodies she was baking for Christmas.  Within 5 minutes of eating it the back of my neck and left shoulder started tightening up and my lower back started to ache.  It was quite a learning experience for me as now I know that if I would've kept eating it a migraine would've been set in.  When I got home I got on the treadmill to help get rid of it.  So...my lesson is...no sugar.  

I have carbs 5 times a day.. in green vegetables, in cocoa powder, in fruit, in choc. with walnuts .. I don't have that many carbs during the day...When I used to eat chocolate it was the 90%, but still has brown sugar...I don't even have that now.   More cocoa with no sugar.  My carbs (and by that I mean grains like quinoa/flaxseed/teff) are more for the middle of the day or later.  

my cheat is 5% in all else when out of the house.. (dairy in icecream, grains in bread, legumes/beans in banana).5% cheat is still 5% cheat. ;-)  Is this everyday?  Like Dr. D says...you can cheat on other diets, but when you cheat on BTD/GTD the blood knows. ;)
  


I hope this helps you Goldie.  Once you get rid of the sugar cravings (by staying as compliant as possible) things get better.

(((((Big hugs)))))

Debra :)



Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 5:17pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Goldie
I do not ever eat sugar.. only in cocoa powder in hot water.. I don't think there is sugar in that..

I do not eat sugar substitutes,

I eat only fresh foods.  

1 or sometimes 2 fruits a day ... a guava or some pineapple.. or a banana out of the house 2 x a month.

and 90% choc .. Sugar in it. ;-)

occasionally ice cream.. when out of the house..Sugar and dairy together...yes, ice cream was one of the hard ones for me to give up...ask Isa...she was on me for that one...while I was on her for her coffee. ;-)  

no other carbs unless you consider green vegetables or zucchini steamed in water as a carb.or walnuts. I do not count them as such.. seldom use salad dressing.. 1 -2 Yams a month.

I eat no starches, no dairy (other then ice cream 2x a monthTwo times a month would be lots for me...and it can stay in your body quite a while...especially if it has carrageenan and depending on how much sweaty O exercise you do to help your body deal with it.), no grains, no beans,You need some of these to help you to better health...I love to make bean soups with lots of veggies and then I put them in little glass containers and freeze them.   I take them out and pour them over greens like swiss chard, spinach, arugula, romaine lettuce, chopped up fine zucchini, celery,=.   Love it and feel fantastic. nor rice and nothing white, and nothing store prepared....

So YES ... please educate me on where I am overdoing the carbs and sugar.. I just don't understand that part.. Thanks..


Today: This is my foods most days..  

I -3 cups of cocoa in hot water.

1 egg with steamed zucchini for breakfast

3-4 oz steak  with spinach or celery or Belgian endive for lunch
"            "        "       green salad or sometimes yam for dinner

in between 1 guava, and maybe another at night

Snack walnuts and some 90% choc. Sugar


And where is your good oils/fats like olive oil  and ghee?
Water...with a pinch of sea salt.

Do you exercise?  Can't remember if you do or not.

(((((Big hugs))))

Debra :)

P.S.  Try doing the cortices technique (see in the bottom of my signature) when you are feeling ansy or stressed about food.  ;)

Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 5:41pm; Reply: 39
its the ice cream....loaded with sugar. but whipped cream with stevia= zero sugar!!!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 5:44pm; Reply: 40
take the sugar and dairy blinkers off Goldie ;)
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 6:24pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from jayneeo
its the ice cream....loaded with sugar. but whipped cream with stevia= zero sugar!!!


But as a secretor...you don't understand jayneeo...dairy is a big avoid for we nonnies.  Sugar or not.   :-/

Debra ;)

Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 6:25pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
take the sugar and dairy blinkers off Goldie ;)


In TOTAL agreement here with you pc.  :D

Debra :)

Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Saturday, December 3, 2011, 6:27pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Goldie
What is glutamine water.. where to get it?  

My sugar numbers are coming down, so long as I stay compliant on the foods above.. at least some good thing!


I thought the HCG diet you did helped a lot with your numbers. What has been the end result with that diet? Do you still have a lot of cravings?

For me, I did the HCG diet a year and half ago and I still don't have cravings for sweets. Although I've never had blood sugar issues, so this really must be a challenge for you to live with!

We're here to support you :)
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 6:34pm; Reply: 44
Today: This is my foods most days..  

I -3 cups of cocoa in hot water.

1 egg with steamed zucchini for breakfast..Only one egg...I need three to satisfy me along with some good fat and...I find onions really help satisfy me too.   I have them, at least, three times a day.   And...I don't care if I smell of onions...or garlic for that matter. ;)

3-4 oz steak  with spinach or celery or Belgian endive for lunch
"            "        "       green salad or sometimes yam for dinnerAgain...some good olive oil and I like lemon or lime juice on the veggies...make sure you are getting enough veggies also.

in between 1 guava, and maybe another at night For my fruits it is usually one in the morning and one in the late afternoon about an hour or so before supper.   If you eat fruits later at night...especially after a supper the fruit sits on the top of your other foods in your tummy and ferments causing other problems.

Snack walnuts and some 90% choc.
Sugar...it is only 10%, but it is still sugar. ;)


Debra :)

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 7:13pm; Reply: 45
My Swami has one tea spoon for Ghee a week.. not much.. so in eggs ..

olive oil I use when making meat.. 1 spoon a day..

Swami Dairy = 6 oz milk, and 4 oz cheeses.. x 4 a week..

So you think I should not consider it at all...?

whip cream or Quark with cocoa is the dairy I was going to consider in place of ice cream, but you say no dairy and no sugar - at all.

Swami Fruit I am allowed 2 a day.. guava is Diamond while pineapple is Beneficial..  I might need to find berries but they don't have the Diamonds on my Swami in the local store..  

Swami Eggs I am allowed 1 plus on extra one on Sundays..

IF I do the above I will be on low carbs, no problems.. but I think I will have issues with wanting things..

What is glutamine water.. where to get it? I wish to try it as drinking is a big issue..  


----HGC while I am on it works wonders, but once I went of I was back to my Pituitary taking control again.. -- I wish I could be on it all year...  
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 8:00pm; Reply: 46
Swami Dairy = 6 oz milk, and 4 oz cheeses.. x 4 a week..

your swami has to wrong goldie - stop all dairy and including milk & cheese for a month. (feel free to correct if you think differently.

my swami has much less than that and Emily and amber his practically nil

email me a copy of your swami if you like save it as a pdf and attach to email i always get yours oxo
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 8:44pm; Reply: 47
GT2 'Gatherer' (Blood Group O Non-Secretor)
Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
Portion Size: Milk: 6 ounces; Cheeses: 2-4 ounces; Ghee and Butter 1 teaspoon
Frequency: 4 servings weekly.  

P/C This is the direct snip and paste!!!! ..  Quark and Ghee being Beneficial, and nothing with Diamond.. ha ha

I have not had dairy per se since 1975 so not much chance that I will overdo.. Quark will be one way I can add cocoa to it and see how to make some treat I can have..  

but the above NO sugar .. on second thinking.. that will be near impossible.. and I think would not be worth living with.,. way to depressing..  

Yet, my sugar levels have dropped considerably sine the HCG diet weight loss, so there is even a good chance that by the spring and some more weight loss by then, I might get off all diabetes drugs.. but that is for spring..



Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:06pm; Reply: 48
it we be done quicker without sugar, and Milk

it says 2 - 4 oz not 4 oz, you sly vixen lol

and milk isn't in your lists is it? so NO milk Ha Ha back at you  ;)

Posted by: Possum, Saturday, December 3, 2011, 9:48pm; Reply: 49
Just wondering what is in your "whip cream" If it is canned cream there are chemicals in it!!! Then there is the "icecream & sugarcone" They are full of bad avoids (possibly chemicals & usually thickeners) & no matter how small in quantity, they wreak havoc in nonnies' systems (same as coffee has a bad effect on insulin...)

Also when you say you are having "...cheat is 5% in all else when out of the house...(dairy in icecream, grains in bread..." All these things have AVOIDS in them & nonnies just can not do avoids!!! If you are looking to cheat (as it seems) then you will never get anywhere... I can maintain no problems, even when cheating but I gain overnight when - no matter how tiny the cheats are - they are really bad avoids, like wheat & sugar ::) :o So try NO AVOIDS & more fats instead??!!

You say "Oils are on issue, but even when I added some by the table spoon full, recently, it still left me wanting what I call - 'something'....." Quite possibly the "something" your body was probably craving was more fats? Like when we start giving our body more water it craves more as it realises it has been missing the feeling of being hydrated your body is craving more fats?!
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 12:25am; Reply: 50
Well, it's going to be Buttermilk Quark.. with cocoa powder over it.. that becomes the new ice cream.. .. what does buttermilk look like? blue? I may have to ask someone to make it as I am 'afraid' of dairy..  

....... 5 minutes ago..I JUST SAW THIS LINE.. in Swami: Minimize your use of processed cheeses, cream cheese, high butterfat forms of milk and cream. does that mean no buttermilk quark????

........some of the wishful thinking comes and goes as fast as the blink of the eye.. P/C you must be rolling on the ground with glee.. - I am there with you hahaha

bread stuff..  well here is Swami:

GT2 'Gatherer' (Blood Group O Non-Secretor)
Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
Portion Size: Grains, Cereals: half cup; Baked Goods: 1/2 muffin; 1 slice bread
Frequency: 2 servings daily.

I rather just don't have any - I can not have it in the house, I would eat tooo much. You are SO right - weight gain overnight..  

Cheats for me are anything that is not Beneficial or Diamond..  all else is sleep inducing or weight gain ..

Luckily I am happy most days with my foods listed above, and the cheats of 5% is as close as I can come to .. I don't think I have what it takes for perfection..

those of you who can eat compliant - I am pleased for you to be 100%'ers .. sis can be like that, but she is B and has different personality..  

I think I have no inner drive to make me nuts over more restrictions.. as it is, it is just enough.. at least no counting of calories/carbs..

as for oils, I am allowed little spoon fulls, I use in cooking..

Someone asked.. 2 miles walk is long enough.. to keep me going.. in summer I swimm 20 - 40 min..
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 12:43am; Reply: 51
What I find, as someone who also used to crave icecream, yoghurt &/or other cool dairy treats is that upping my allowed amount of oils &/or butter/ghee keeps me satiated & I can resist these temptations...Usually anything we are craving is due to a deficiency in what we are eating...

Maybe you might want to try it, rather than simply giving up & saying you just can't be compliant (NB I initially mistyped that word & it can easily become "complaint")

No worries if you are happy with the progress/results you are getting...but it doesn't sound like you are....

Imo, not entirely sure buttermilk quark sounds like it is going to do it, unless you process the buttermilk yourself??!! Despite the low fat element, I found buttermilk had other avoids & you are extremely dairy intolerant by the sounds of it... :-/
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 1:08am; Reply: 52
try a salad every day with a nice pesto Goldie like i keep telling you.

and watch both of these videos please. (the basics)

Part One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1owcjetxEQ&feature=related

Part Two - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8u9P32hVvj4

and think of all those avoids as toxaemia -
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 4:20pm; Reply: 53
Possum:  I like that.. so correct!!!!

compliant (NB I initially mistyped that word & it can easily become "complaint")!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



PC thanks..

So for now life will be.

eating protein powder 1 scoop 75 calories and a tbsp olive oil.
or alternating with daily egg for breakfast..

I might try to replace meals or snacks with protein powder and see how that works.

I am also slow cooking all the meat cut offs and celery and onions and make a broth that will keep me happy in liquids..

4 oz meat.. fresh cooked lunch and dinner, cooked in olive oil ...

Vegetables lunch and dinner - plain most days.    

a small fruit during in the day. 1 Diamond Guava or pineapple... I am allowed 2 small fruits a day - even with diabetes..

90% chocolate,  it has the least caloric value compared to other treats..

This just has to be it for me for now, and maybe I find glutamine water.. where to get it?    

or any other thing that takes your hunger messages away..

Thanks for all the support.. all is well..  ;D :-/ 8)
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 7:38pm; Reply: 54
So glad to hear ;)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, December 4, 2011, 10:21pm; Reply: 55
I am not sure why you are putting  TABLESPOON of olive oil with yoUr protein by the way - where did that come from. what is your daily or weekly allowance of oils?

Have a salad every day Goldie with a pesto. it's nice for breakfast 45 mins after that tiny fruit - like 1/2 a grapefruit!!!

Goldie put the chocolate away until Christmas and stop sneaking in fruit so much! oxo

give it a few weeks to see if slightly less fruit, a salad and no chocolate help you then YOU can decide what will work. We all know they will.

why are you frying your meat vegetable by the way, it would be better to steam them no?

maybe have a stir fry once in a while but not all the time darling. eat those lovely organic cold pressed oils cold most of the time on SALADS! ;)

oxo
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