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Posted by: 16807 (Guest), Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 9:27am
Hi to all,
am pretty new to the whole BTD. Used to be on paleo diet but wanna give it a go and see
if i really do better without red meat and most proteins.
I know some ppl have asked about this before, BUT specifically for A's, can we have BCAA's?
There is not much protein in the A diet and i'm not gonna do Soy, so was thinking if Amino Acids
are a strictly NO for A's as the whey protein shake is off the list for me now.

If i'm gonna loose much of my muscle mass on this diet i will stop it straight away.

Hope someone knows more about this. And as an A, i don't do things halfway, i wanna 100% commit to the diet to see if it works well for me.

Thank you,
Andreas
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 1:18pm; Reply: 1
Lose muscle mass-- not on this diet. A's gain muscle on this diet.. :)

Your protein sources are not just tofu and tempeh ( which does not include all soy like TVP) but beans, fish and poultry.


If you want to do this  100% i would get a SWAMI and a secretor test to find out more about who you are.

BCAA's are fine but not for the long term.

Dr. D'Adamo makes a blood type specific protein powder.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 2:46pm; Reply: 2
Even if you're not ready to invest in SWAMI right now, take a look at the Genotype Diet. If you measure out to  be an Explorer, then you'll need  more protein than the typical A, and you may find yourself doing worse on BTD than you did on Paleo.

I agree with Andrea that secretor status and SWAMI are the absolute best dietary approaches, far more individualized than any of the "book diets." But I also understand that not everybody has the means to purchase all of those items at once.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 4:41pm; Reply: 3
Welcome Andreas!

Great to have you join us on the forums.

If you do decide to consider the GenoType diet mentioned by Ruthie above as an alternative to the Blood Type Diet, you may want to take this little quiz to see if it is likely that you would do better on the GenoType diet:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

Which diet you do better on is largely dependent on your particular health needs and goals.

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 5:38pm; Reply: 4
besides, all Branch Chain Amino Acids you mention
have been taken into consideration when designing these systems

no matter which you choose to follow

Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 6:18pm; Reply: 5
And you can always choose to take the A-protein blend if you can't get all your protein needed from food. Works fine for me.
Posted by: bluejay, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 6:44pm; Reply: 6
Welcome to the forum, Andreas!

My HD and I both use an organic all vegetable protein that works well and is 100% compliant. He has a very muscular build (Explorer) and his physique hasn't changed at all since we switched to BTD/GTD about a year ago.  I also cook with a lot of fish and turkey.

I would definitely find out your secretor status and your genotype if you are putting 100% into this. My meal plan changed a lot once I plugged in all my info into the swami. A lot of the foods that I loved were avoids in BTD book but when I ran my swami with my secretor status, genotype, etc. they were beneficial.
Posted by: 16807 (Guest), Thursday, November 10, 2011, 10:38am; Reply: 7
Thanx for all the replies, awesome!!

The genotype diet is what i wanted in the first place but my natropath kinda wants to start me off the bloodtype diet, dunno why. Will see him next week and convince him to do all the measurements and tests.

Meanwhile, can you guys tell me if the swami will tell me if i can have supplements like glutamine (which is an avoid for A's) and Branch Chain Amino Acids during training?
This is very important to me as i loose weight ( muscle mass) very quickly if not enough protein in my diet.

I definetely won't do soy, even if it means i'm not following it 100% and dadamo's protein poweder for A's doesen't even state the soy in it is organic.

Again, thank you for all the quick replies and tips coz what i found so far doesen't really say yes or no to BCCA's for A's.




Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, November 10, 2011, 2:05pm; Reply: 8
Call D'Adamo personalized Nutrition. You might lose muscle because you are not eating the right foods, once you eat the right food it will make a difference.

Just have to clarify--- if you turn out to be a Warrior tofu and tempeh ( which is not all soy) will keep you healthy, it has many benefits for Warriors.. Maybe you are an Explorer then you will get more meat ;)

would you mind telling us who your ND is?
Posted by: SandrAruba, Thursday, November 10, 2011, 3:24pm; Reply: 9
Why won't you do soy? (if you don't mind my asking)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, November 10, 2011, 11:52pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from 16807
Meanwhile, can you guys tell me if the swami will tell me if i can have supplements like glutamine (which is an avoid for A's) and Branch Chain Amino Acids during training?


SWAMI does not directly discuss either BCAA or glutamine supplements.

Posted by: 16807 (Guest), Friday, November 11, 2011, 4:36am; Reply: 11
Not sure how much i'm allowed to say in this forum or post any links in regards to how bad soy is.
The question would be if the the advantage of having soy for an warrior outweighs the disadvantage or danger i should say of soy. From what is well known so far is  its toxicity, potential hypothyroidism,
estrogenic effects for guys, blocking of mineral absorption, Soy based infant formulas are linked to ADD. They contain 80 times more manganese than breast milk. Too much manganese content is linked to neurotoxicity, lowering of testosterone and the list goes on..
I have read the link about the soy question in the faq section and really don't wanna talk bad about it or convince anyone to stay off it. Besides it's me asking for help here ;)

So no way i'm gonna do soy, i just wonder if there is any way to increase my protein intake without stressing my immune system.

And it's such a pity it's so hard to get more infos on most supplements out there in regards to how well they go with the bloodtype diet or genotype diet for each bloodgroup.
The diet seems to be very good for fat loss ( which i don't really need) but not that good at increasing lean body mass ( especially if you're an A type)

My natropath has been trained under dadamo, and said i don't have  to do the soy, so will ask him next week again and convince him doing the genotype diet.

If anyone has more infos on
most supplements for bloodtype A, that would be very much appreciated  :D

Thanx again!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:18am; Reply: 12
all one size fit all blanket advice has an agenda

always look at the physiological perspective in everything you read

here, read this for starts
http://drpeterjdadamo.com/BAS/2011/11/when-you-point-one-finger-four-usually-point-back-at-you/
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:21am; Reply: 13
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The diet seems to be very good for fat loss ( which i don't really need) but not that good at increasing lean body mass ( especially if you're an A type)


wrong

http://www.4yourtype.com/2011_newsletter_v8n1.asp
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So no way i'm gonna do soy, i just wonder if there is any way to increase my protein intake without stressing my immune system.

http://www.4yourtype.com/2010_newsletter_v7n10.asp
and I think you urgently need this as well
http://www.4yourtype.com/2010_newsletter_v7n12.asp
:)
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?subject=988813483
now if Dr D s word on soy and type As, hasn t convinced you by now
off-handed accusations about the effects of soy on the thyroid, Clare Hasler, Ph.D., one of the
world's experts on soy and human nutrition had the following to say:

"There is no convincing evidence that soy protein has an adverse effect on thyroid function,
particularly at the moderate level of consumption (25 grams) that would occur due to the approval of a health claim for coronary heart disease."


Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:34am; Reply: 14
and last but not least

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specifically for A's, can we have BCAA's?


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Dr. D
Vitamin C (preferably from food derived vitamin) 1000mg daily
Branch chain amino acids (500mg each minimum Valine, Leucine
Isoleucine)

These nutrients are in great demand in situations of bone breakage. I can
testify to their efficacy. They made my recovery from a broken ankle amazingly
rapid.



so until you break a leg, ...... you might want to find out more about your unique makeover, talk to your Dr about a secretor test and maybe will also know where to get a serotyping panel done to determine your subtype and MN status
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_subtypes.htm

the more you know, the better educated choices you can make
Posted by: 16807 (Guest), Friday, November 11, 2011, 8:38am; Reply: 15
Thanx lola for the articles. Yes i have read the faq section before about the soy and will definetely NOT touch it.  She says  about 25gr of soy a day has no convincig evidence  on having negative effects on Thyroid.
25 gr is nothing to what i'm used to eat on protein to get a positive nitrogen balance ,
usually about 250gr of protein a day :

The fundamental rule when aiming to increase nitrogen balance is to eat sufficient complete proteins.

Indeed, a caloric surplus of protein should be maintained at all times, to keep nitrogen balance positive. It is advisable to eat about six meals (each spaced two-three hours apart), each containing around 30-40-grams of protein, per-day.



I have yet to hear from a trained A type who has not lost any muscle or even gained lean muscle mass on the A type diet. It easy for O's, your diet makes total sense to me in regards to building lean muscle mass.
Besides the first 30 gr of protein a day goes straight towards your immune system.

Great quote you found about the bcaa's from Dr.D, but it doesen't say for A types. Apparently even glutamine is an avoid for A's.

Will get secretor status done next week and waiting for Rh status as well.

Lola, when you state wrong, do you know any trained idividual type A who went on the bloodtype diet and has imporved his physique ( and am not talking about fat loss, am pretty lean already)

Also does anyone know why for a warrior whey is a beneficial while an avoid for type A?

cheers
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 11, 2011, 9:08am; Reply: 16
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Great quote you found about the bcaa's from Dr.D, but it doesen't say for A types.


Dr D is an A!!! :)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 11, 2011, 9:10am; Reply: 17
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Also does anyone know why for a warrior whey is a beneficial while an avoid for type A?


this will help clear all
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/03/27/hows-and-whys?blog=24
hows and whys
parameters capable of being evaluated as per each food
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202698596/#num13
Posted by: 16807 (Guest), Friday, November 11, 2011, 10:05am; Reply: 18
Thanx again Lola, interesting read.
I know Dr. D is an A, didn't realize he was talking about himself.
I have used 40 gramms of BCAA's a day so far, will shoot a bit higher due to less
protein in my diet. So the mentioned 0.5 gr is not that much compared to how much i'm having  8)
and wanna be sure it's an ok for A's.
We shall see, will keep you up to date in regards to muscle loss and so on  :-/

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, November 11, 2011, 12:41pm; Reply: 19
Type A eat tofu everyday and have no muscle loss-- Dr. D is an A  Warrior that eats non GMO soy and he has not muscle loss.

He also has two healthy daughters--- he is manly and eats soy! ;D

Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, November 11, 2011, 4:52pm; Reply: 20
Didn't Dr. D say that unless you consume 40% of your body weight in soy, there is nothing to be worried about??

Anyway, for A's and muscle mass, yes I have to loose weight, but in the beginning of this diet I would have my fat% calculated on a bi-weekly basis. In the times that I did not loose weight, I still did decrease my % of body fat. So in other words, that fat was turned into muscle.

The A type diet is great for increasing muscles.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:26pm; Reply: 21
Why not get your genotype and then go from there?  In the mean time if you want to use a whey protein powder that contains BCAAs, Natural Factors is pretty good:

http://naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/672/whey-factors
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 12, 2011, 4:15am; Reply: 22
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So the mentioned 0.5 gr is not that much compared to how much i'm having  and wanna be sure it's an ok for A's.


note you have no bone breakage.....
why add something you really do not need? it is like stepping on the accelerator with the car gear on park
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 12, 2011, 4:21am; Reply: 23
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Dr D

As for me, Warrior, I'm beginning to see some 'six-pack' abs of all things!

And I'm currently only doing yoga 3 times weekly.

Six years of martial arts (and a couple of hundred thousand crunches) had no effect whatsoever.
Lost a few excess pounds, resolved and old skin rash on my shins, have more energy now (cycling versus martial arts), skin tone is better, memory retention sharper, much less inclined to overreact to things.


also a warrior......
I would suggest you stick to your guidelines
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