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Posted by: runningyogagal, Monday, October 3, 2011, 9:06pm
I have a question regarding Hypothalamic Amnorreha-how long does this thing take to fix?!

I am 5'7" and in high school was about 115lb then in college it shot up to 140 (this was due to no more track/basketball and eating plenty of food-junk at that, this being pre BTD)

I started working out again religiously with plenty of strength training/running/yoga -(I am an A of course!) ;D and was introduced to the BTD. I began eating VERY low in calories and shortly after starting this way of living I was down to 130lb and at that point I lost my menstration, I never had any problems prior with my cycles what-so-ever. Completely regular. I was diagnosed by my gynocologest with 'hypothalamic amnorreha' which comes about in female athletes and anorexic women-yikes!, this was NOT me! make no mistake.

Regardless i had only dropprd to 130 at this point and wasn't satisfied. I kept with the 5 day/week workouts and stressing my body which brought me to my lowest weight about a year ago. I dropped my weight super low 107-I know, I know utterly REDICLIOUS and stupid.

After all that hard work it took me to get to 107 to accomplish the same visual of my 115. As it turned out all that stressing my body from all that low cal high exercise sent my body into a muscle burning, not fat buring tale spin (can we say, thank you cortisol!-all due to my A type tednencies). I had no muscle! I felt soo lathargic. I let up on myself and was gaining weight nicely..and still no muscle and was feeling very bad still. I bought Dr.D's book Change Your Genetic Destiny and calculated myself to be a GT5 Warrior. I kept this in mind but adheared to my blood type A diet.

But wait, since I was following the BTD shouldn't I have felt amazing??

My curisoty got the best of me so my husband bought me a saliva test kit and SAMI Express! (Lord bless him!) and that was all it took! As it turns out I am a non secreter and GT3 teacher! (Not a warrior to my own previous calculation-thats a big differance!) I had lots of my favorite foods back! And I could have lots of lean protein! ( love my eggs, fish, turkey and occasional lamb)

I have built lots of lean muscle mass and feel awesome..not hollowed like before. But the one qestion remains: When can I get my period back??? I know when holistically fixing yourself it takes a long time. I was having my period no problem at 115lb before. It will be 2 Yrs for me this month since my last period and weigh over 115 now. I am seeing an irigologest and a chiropractor which has helped.
Advice please :B
Posted by: honeybee, Monday, October 3, 2011, 9:57pm; Reply: 1
welcome :)

sorry I can not answer your Q fully; does your SWAMI recommend any formulas like Aromastat? (Dr D's formula) or Fem Balance? (You select the option for these in the SWAMI form recommendations and they are at the bottom of the report)

You can read about them here...
Posted by: runningyogagal, Monday, October 3, 2011, 10:45pm; Reply: 2
Thanks honeybee!

My SWAMI said listed the Aromastat. I will be looking into this.

I will say that I'm a bit aprehensive to tamper with my hormones anymore at this point. When this came bout my gynocologest gave me 'natural' progestrone capsules to try to balance things out and I can honestly say that is the most messed up I have ever felt in my own skin. I had crazy side effects emotionally (this lasted about 6mo.)

My Iridologest has had me on Natures Sunshine NF-X for women's health along with other things and am doing so well that she has taken me off! She said "there has been a vast amount of healing in the past 6 mo." And that she "wishes her other patients were as dedicated as me." Hahaha I was quite proud of that!

Now I am just on some basic vitamin supplements from her along with IGF-1 (this spray derived from deer antler velvet-crazy awesome stuff to help with the growth hormone lacking right now in my brain needed to help trigger maturity of eggs in the overies)...what's weird is that my body seems to be functioning as it should hormonally. It's just that one tiny thing that needs to happen.

Maybe this will give you more insight on the situation! Thanks
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:06pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from runningyogagal
I have built lots of lean muscle mass and feel awesome..not hollowed like before. But the one qestion remains: When can I get my period back??? I know when holistically fixing yourself it takes a long time. I was having my period no problem at 115lb before. It will be 2 Yrs for me this month since my last period and weigh over 115 now.

I don't know the answer to your question, but I will offer this suggestion - continue with your SWAMI diet and proper exercise / relaxation as suggested.  The body knows what to do with the right fuel.  You seem to be using the right practitioners, so I would trust them in conjunction with SWAMI and let the body heal.  It may heal at a much deeper level than you know needs to be healed, so patience may be needed...

I know women's hormones can be very difficult to "manage" if they aren't right naturally...  We went through years of Ob/Gyn and a natural practitioner not knowing or being able to get it straightened out...  Dr. D's information (diet, exercise and relaxation or stress management) has done more for it than 20 years of Dr. prior...  Although, now we are ambivalent about more children...
Posted by: runningyogagal, Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:47pm; Reply: 4
That is so encouraging to hear! I know we would like to have kids in the future. Of course that's why I'd like to get this straightened out. But we're in no extreme rush eather.
Posted by: chrissyA, Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:52pm; Reply: 5
Are you still working out a lot? At 5'7", 115 is still quite thin. Maybe just practice yoga for now and give your body time to "feel the heal"." Physical stress is very powerful - your body feels that it's been traumatized, and may take longer to feel better than it is taking you. I had that same issue when I was young because I was extremely thin and had a great deal of stress in my life. I didn't menstruate for probably 5-6 years, and had heat flashes. When my period finally started up again, boy, did I miss the days when I didn't have to bother with it. ::)
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:57pm; Reply: 6
Are you working out as intensely as before? For Type A, Dr D warns against overdoing it.
Posted by: runningyogagal, Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 12:21am; Reply: 7
I am not all gungho crazy like before

When it comes to working out I try to incorporate plenty of balance. I have been active all my life and am an experienced runner. My workouts depend on my work schedule for the week and what time may permit I will do anywhere from 90-120 min of cairdo a week and I average about an hr to 90 min of yoga a week.

Right now my routine is 3  non consecutive days of moderate weightlifting followed by 35 min of interval training doing any sort of cairdo. Before i was prob doing this 5x a week at a more intense level. Then is that sweet recovery time in between on my days off where I can do my restoritive yoga. It feels perfect honestly.

I try my best to do as Dr.D says and push but not to the limits. I feel quite in tune with my body (this is a nonnie trait you know! ;D-I am learning this!) I listen when it's saying to let up. type As can excell at cairdo and lifting..but I know to take it slow.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 2:19am; Reply: 8
If I were in your shoes, I might try to slowly gain more weight.  The only time I was ever told that was when I was pregnant with our first child.  I could have kissed the doctor right then and there.  As women, many of us focus on our weight to our detriment.  Your body is trying to tell you something.  In order to menstruate, you need more weight.  Take it slow, but consider making it a focus.  With your determination and goal-setting abilities, I am sure this is something you can work on and achieve in your body's own time  :K)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 3:06pm; Reply: 9
You're only 22; I'm sure you're not in menopause just yet! This means that your periods WILL return.

I can't tell you exactly when your periods will return,  because there are many factors at play. You may need more fat on your body first. Not just extra weight- if you've built up a lot of muscles, that will increase your weight, but not your body fat. Since estrogen is stored in fat tissue, you need a certain amount of body fat for normal cycles.

Even if you're at a healthy body fat %, you may still need more time to heal before fertility returns. Your body might be thinking "I'm not healthy enough to carry a baby- so let's not ovulate!" You may need to be on the program for several months, doing everything "right", and still need to wait a while until you've healed enough for menstrual cycles to return, and then they may be irregular for a while. This means eating the right foods (and enough of them), exercising "just the right amount" and possibly taking some supplements too.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 3:10pm; Reply: 10
Might like to try some fem balance from D'Adamo personalized nutrition.
Posted by: runningyogagal, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 1:04am; Reply: 11
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... Since estrogen is stored in fat tissue, you need a certain amount of body fat for normal cycles.

Even if you're at a healthy body fat %, you may still need more time to heal before fertility returns. Your body might be thinking "I'm not healthy enough to carry a baby- so let's not ovulate!" You may need to be on the program for several months, doing everything "right", ...

Thanks Ruthiegirl!

What body fat % Is ideal for menstration? Would your body frame effect what your body percentage should be?
Posted by: David, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 1:51am; Reply: 12
It sounds like you all have covered the majority of runningyogagal's dilemma.

This discussion "sounds like" a classic description of amenorrhea due to an extended low calorie diet resulting in a low body fat composition and low estrogen production. This condition sounds like amenorrhea as an over-training effect of a female athletes.

Eating more beneficial calories, resting, sleeping, lighter training, lower stress may be the simplest route to a normal cycle.

You did mention an unpleasant experience with progesterone supplementation. It may not have been what you needed at that time.

What is your percentage of Body Fat or cholesterol levels. It seems both are essentially connected with production of hormones. One day, you may want to discover what are more missing pieces of this metabolic puzzle. You could discover via Saliva testing if there are hormone imbalances, which could include; estrogen, progesterone, testosterone FSH, LH, cortisol, etc which your DC could order.

Hormone levels should always be evaluated before attempting hormone supplementation.

While a single evaluation would be informative; In come cases Rocky Mountain Analytical says that a more thorough test method is:

The month-long assessment requires the collection of eleven saliva samples over 33 days.  Progesterone and estradiol are reported for all 11 samples, and an average testosterone is reported.     Women with erratic bleeding, amenorrhea, fertility issues or cycle-specific symptoms such as migraine headaches, hot flushes, and mood disturbances may benefit from a month-long assessment.
Posted by: David, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 2:05am; Reply: 13
"What body fat % Is ideal for menstration? "

good question  :)  here's an interesting answer
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 4:48am; Reply: 14
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"What body fat % Is ideal for menstruation? "

The very question ... in my mind.. is enough to scare the workings in your body.. stop thinking about it.. stop the dumb exercising.. go out and ride a bike, swim a little, dance more, paint more, do other things then exercising.. clean the floors on all fours - to strengthen the inner core.. give up the gym membership for 6 month, give up the men who will push you ..

You said you where not anorexic.. no but soon enough.. so healing needs to happen with a clear mind, with laughter, with fun, with loving you the way you are,== Stand in front of the mirror every day and just say: I love you!..

mental attitude is as important for health.. get your priorities in order.. woman are meant to do all sort of nesting things, seldom do you see a bird or animal run itself ragged.. go shopping for nice things, take a college class just for the fun of it..

and relax with the moon cycles.. take walks if its light and safe out, rise to see the sun rise.. do many things you never made time for.. write letters, visit friends, do loads of things you forgot to do..

and in a short while you will laugh and cry and then you will heal..    .... and empower your self not to be told what to do (by me) .. there is a great book: The Clan of the Cave bear.. worthwhile reading while sitting in sunlight.. it speaks of growth from child to woman.. with a twist..
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 11:59am; Reply: 15
I have seen women who menstruate with 12% BF, I have also seen women who need at least 18%-20% BF to menstruate.

I know a couple of trainers who have done similar things to their bodies and it took a couple of years and allowing their bodies to get up to 20% BF to start menstruating again.  One needed bio-identical estrogen and progesterone to get her body right again.  

Posted by: runningyogagal, Friday, October 7, 2011, 3:36am; Reply: 16
David, everything you have said is right on! About fourteen months into the whole thing I went to my ob gyn and had them test me on everything...hormones and such. As it turns out my FSH levels were super low. They did an intrauateran ultrasound and found out that my uterus was pencil thin and my eggs were under developed. (That has been almost a year ago & I have made lots of progress since then according to my other specailists. I can feel it in my body that I've healed alot too.) Yes he did say that itwas due to over training and the low Cal diet.

That link you gave was really good. I was curious what my bf % is now and if I am in the "safe" range. The calc on the live strong website said that I'm 17.75. So that's good!

I can't help but wonder though how I could menstrate so normally when I was in school weighing 115 and going to rigerous track practices everyday? I guess the lack of calories has everything to do with it??

Goldie, thank you for the wisdom. I want you to know I am most definatly over 115 now and feeling great every day that I stick to my SWAMI.  :D so please no worrying of me being on the road to anorexia anytime soon haha. But I DO need to chill out and domesticate more. I have a hard time with that.

I wonder if I had some acupuncture if that would get things going?
Posted by: runningyogagal, Friday, June 8, 2012, 9:25pm; Reply: 17
  Well the deed is done!! I had a period on may 31st! And it wasn't back with a vengeance either. Very mild cramping followed by 5 regular days! I can honestly say that I feel like me again.

  I have just been doing everything in moderation. And it's not easy by no means..takes lots of discipline to not go over board one way or another. I really think this is the first time in my life where I have everything in my body is functioning as it should. I have plenty of energy, clear skin and best of all I feel like a woman again. ;D

Thanks for all of the advice everyone.
Posted by: Niagreen, Friday, June 8, 2012, 10:23pm; Reply: 18
yaaaaay!!! nothing like the return of a long awaited period :) it feels so good!!!!  :)
Posted by: runningyogagal, Saturday, June 9, 2012, 12:51pm; Reply: 19
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