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Posted by: Gina, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 6:44pm
Why is coffee on type O avoid list? I know I need to avoid it, but what is the reasoning behind it??? Please advise.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 6:55pm; Reply: 1
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers :)

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

find out more using the search window
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:19am; Reply: 2
Quoted from Lola
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers :)

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

find out more using the search window


It does that to me and i am A!

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, August 26, 2011, 12:25am; Reply: 3
Increases stomach acid levels in O's..

Why not find something new to drink? i know loads of people really like yerba mate tea.
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, August 26, 2011, 8:28pm; Reply: 4
That has got to be tough for O's.  I still have not really determined if it is beneficial for me or not as an A explorer.  

For O's and some others, it seems to cause irritation to tissues from what i read.  Can increase inflammation.  It seems to irritate my throat even when it is room temperature.  The caffeine is likely not good for me ::)

The only people who really benefit from coffee are probably warriors and teachers, which are A based types.

There are plenty of alternatives!!
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, August 26, 2011, 10:32pm; Reply: 5
Switch to chicory, make it just like your coffee.  Strong unfiltered Coffee was responsible for raising my sister's cholesterol. She's also an O.
Posted by: Stephanie75, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 12:34pm; Reply: 6
Coffee will me my last avoid to go... by October 1st is my goal.
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 2:22pm; Reply: 7
I am usually ok with drinking my yerba mate tea, but I am really missing my coffee this morning during the hurricane.  Is chicory ok for O's?  I can't find it on my SWAMI.
Posted by: Spazcat, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 4:00pm; Reply: 8
Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  Not that I'm planning to drink any  :B  
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 5:08pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Spazcat
Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  Not that I'm planning to drink any  :B  


Thank you so much!  They are the exact same on my SWAMI.  I was looking under spices and beverages.

I would love to find a real coffee substitute, so I would love to hear what the difference is as well.
Posted by: Mickey, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 5:12pm; Reply: 10
Quoted Text
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

Lola,
For gatherer's coffee is a black dot.  I'm wondering why this would be the case if gatherer's are prone to insulin resistance .  Does resetting our gene's make us less prone to the insulin mimicking effect of coffee?.

Muchos Gracias!
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 5:17pm; Reply: 11
WHY NOT try for O's --dark chocolate.. for sweet yearnings...

Why not try cocoa in hot water.. it worked for me not to miss coffee any more.. I still have real coffee for headaches as it works better then pills..

we are all addicts since it is a way to keep the body going froward.. it took me 19 years to get done with caffeine..

Now when I -reallly seldom - have a cup of decaf- I am fine..

but I am certain it made me wanting many other = should not be looking for foods.. avoids or not does not matter, when I look for something it is annoying.. cocoa and choc seems to really help that ..

ADDICTIONS are a mental journey to give it up, but a physical need /right or wrong/ until you find a replacement is hard to come by.. keep searching for what works for you..  
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 5:26pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Goldie
WHY NOT try for O's --dark chocolate.. for sweet yearnings...

Why not try cocoa in hot water.. it worked for me not to miss coffee any more.. I still have real coffee for headaches as it works better then pills..

we are all addicts since it is a way to keep the body going froward.. it took me 19 years to get done with caffeine..

Now when I -reallly seldom - have a cup of decaf- I am fine..

but I am certain it made me wanting many other = should not be looking for foods.. avoids or not does not matter, when I look for something it is annoying.. cocoa and choc seems to really help that ..

ADDICTIONS are a mental journey to give it up, but a physical need /right or wrong/ until you find a replacement is hard to come by.. keep searching for what works for you..  


I know Lola said that coffee can make some crave more sweets, but it never had that affect on me.  In fact, drinking coffee made me less hungry, not more hungry.  Since I have given it up, my BS has gone up, not down . . .
Posted by: Mickey, Sunday, August 28, 2011, 5:56pm; Reply: 13
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I know Lola said that coffee can make some crave more sweets, but it never had that affect on me.  In fact, drinking coffee made me less hungry, not more hungry.  Since I have given it up, my BS has gone up, not down . . .

Patty H,
Again it's an individual thing.  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 29, 2011, 2:57am; Reply: 14
Quoted Text
Coffee increases stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
much help with


Quoted Text
Type O’s avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine can be particularly harmful because of its tendency to raise adrenaline and noradrenaline, which are already high for Type O’s

LR4YT on page 137 it is written that all
    forms of Coffee increase stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
    much help with, if the stomach is working properly.
about caffeine for type O in LR4YT on page 169-70. The short version is it is not recommended.
coffee raises your adrenaline levels (stress) which can cause a hypoglycemic effect in O's because our adrenaline levels are high (flight or fight) to begin with especially if you do not exercise regularly.
    increased cortisol which increases intra abdominal fat. coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.

    [quote]mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia or some sort of blood sugar issue
    Crashing and burning and then...Starting to crave carbohydrates messes w/ the adrenal glands hypertension. Also it causes excess acidity leading to acid reflux.

Posted by: Goldie, Monday, August 29, 2011, 3:14am; Reply: 15
with temper issues, with mood issues, with BS issues, being O .. I mean what else is there to say..

yes coffee is nice.. it took me 19 years to give it up.. headaches and all.. but in the end if I am not willing to at least try to hear new info why bother to discuss it?

I love coffee I drank it every which way, and it never affected me badly, other then burn out my nerves, stress my intestines and many other things like sleep, like less room for water and many others..

I am not even saying that you need to give it up.. I could not no matter how much I gave it up.. BUT i tried and that is what I am suggesting.. if change is what you look for then change is what has to happen.  your body is stressed in so many ways yet you are not able to see the need for big changes... I KNOW giving up dairy is A BIG change, less sugar IS A big change, but you see that is only the first step.. the hard work comes after you stop poisoning your body.. the endurance is in changing the way you think act and feel emotionally.. and physically.. IT takes time to absorb even what I say and what 10 others are saying, and it takes great trust to believe Drud.. but I would bet that if you give this a consideration LONG TERM you will heal from the inside out..  

the numbers are strange, but then what else is going on?  family history is a great indicator for what might be.. I am only happy that I had 20 years in which to change my ways to avoid diabetes.. I am not certain that my last diet effort changed it, but if it did then I am very happy even though I really had to change me in a big way..  If i succeeded then great if not then I will start again and try again.. for my life that is all I can do and that is what I suggest to you..

this way of life is not about quick fixes, not about a pill but longer term exchanges of one molecule and one cell at a time.. you have time.. years.. relax.. wait.. give the system a chance to work..

Reading the books really helps.. all have lists but it is not about the list it is about the stuff in between..      
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, August 29, 2011, 12:10pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Lola





Here's what I don't understand.  If O nonnies don't have the same amount of stomach acid, and in fact their stomach acid is quite low, why is coffee a problem for O nonnies.  I can understand why it is a problem for O secretors, but I don't understand why it is a problem for O nonnies.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, August 29, 2011, 1:00pm; Reply: 17
Patty .. have you read the books? that is important.. there is much info to put together..

O's have enough stomach acid for what is good for us.. A's have enough stomach acid for what is good for them..

O's are not meant to drink charcoal for breakfast, and A's are not meant to brush their teeth with meat sauce..

having some fun here, so you can see what I mean..  ;D

THE food that are good for O's is in any of the books.. Whether YOU or I are able to change from one day to the other is NOT the issue.. you may want to keep drinking coffee, while, A's might want to continue to eat meat - for a while.. YES we all have our threshold of what we are willing to give up or when.. I am not certain that giving it up is one issue, not understanding why is a much bigger one..

NOT wanting to follow blindly and give up all sorts of foods for a time is important, but understanding WHY is a different discussion.. O's have indeed enough stomach acid.. they don't need to have any more, and coffee has little to do with that, other then activating all sorts of body issues that are basically not good for us.

You could ask the same QUESTION about any beans.. certain ones we just don't do well with.. and that is basically all we normal humans need to consider and then IF WE CHOOSE to eat or drink something not good for us, then we don't need to do anything other then accept our selves for whatever follows..

Some add sugars when they have Coffee, strong and ready to go on Monday morning to take apart the world and start putting it back together every day.. while others, learn to get up and smell the flowers along the way.  The REASONS of why what and so on is of no importance.. The tycoons say they need to do what they do, while eventually they get sick and make room for another behind him or her...

Knowing that coffee is not good because it interferes with your development of many body fluids starting in the throat, down the hatch, then the gallbladder needing to respond, then the liver needing to dump stuff to neutralize it, the pancreas having to do extra work..never mind all the processes that are needed to get the stuff poured out of you and keep you going, all the wile the brain nerve centers are busy directing traffic while trying to balance the stuff that is 'poisoning' your mind and body function..  Every gland gets involved trying to process what we put into it, every cell that is preoccupied with foods that are not good for them, need to expend much more energy in defense of short term thinking and acting on it.  I know becasue with diabetes you can see what sugars do to the body in near record time - every time!

Thinking about EACH food, or drink item -- ice cream, coffee ice cream - I can make all sort of excuses for having it, but in the end I need to decide how sick I wish to be, for its sugar, fat, flavor triggering my addiction, its acid, its slowing my digestion for the other ingredients in coffee, the roasted parts, and so on.. I have to accept that I will never know what harm it does.. but I do know it will .. so it is with coffee lattee or any name we give it..

All the reasons of why we should not have it are spelled out in all the books.. It pays to read all the front pages and all the other pages and always the O pages as they tell you why we O's are quick tempered, quick to pic up new habits, slow giving them up and forever doing battle with our own health..

That is indeed the answer to your question, or I could have said.. it is the opposite .. we have more then enough acid.. but that is a minute part of the story.. patience is one such item affecting us big time, time to learn is another.. give your self time.. the results of feeling better one food at a time, will show and tell more then all the words..  

By the way there where many of the same questions already posted and answered on the use of coffee, you might have seen them in search.. and seen how hard it is for everyone to get it that coffee is a bean roasted and charred, to which we add all sorts of stuff to make it delish, and wash down that desserts so that we can feel - spell it backward .. stressed..     8)
Posted by: Kim, Monday, August 29, 2011, 1:14pm; Reply: 18

My Mom is an O and she won't give up coffee.  She has lots of stomach acid issues.  Of course she is taking all kinds of medications that are making it worse, but I can't reason with her at all.  My brothers who are managing her care, buy into all the big pharma decisions that her doctors make so I have no  influence there either.  
Posted by: Gina, Monday, August 29, 2011, 2:45pm; Reply: 19
Why is coffee "avoid" but Green Tea is a "beneficial"? They both have caffeine?
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 29, 2011, 3:29pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Gina
Why is coffee "avoid" but Green Tea is a "beneficial"? They both have caffeine?

Obviously, the modification of disease susceptibility is for the worse in Type O people...
TYPE O:Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.


Green Tea is beneficial for the reasons shown...  More information is widely available on the web for these terms...

TYPE O:Secretor:
BENEFICIAL: Contains component which either blocks polyamine synthesis or lowers indican levels.

Non Secretor:
BENEFICIAL: Contains component which either blocks polyamine synthesis or lowers indican levels.

    * This food is Cancer SUPERBENEFICIAL for Type O


Posted by: Gina, Monday, August 29, 2011, 3:44pm; Reply: 21
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 29, 2011, 4:08pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???

According to LR4YT, pg.160:  "Type Os derive some benefit from green tea.  It contains polyphenols that block the production of harmful polyamines."

LR4YT, pg. 162: "Avoid coffee, etc..., all of which can provoke GERD by increasing stomach acid."
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, August 29, 2011, 6:09pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Spazcat
Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  


It is the root that is used to make coffee substitutes. The root is roasted and ground in order to  make the coffee substitute. There is no caffeine in chicory.

Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Monday, August 29, 2011, 6:50pm; Reply: 24
As an A+ secretor Warrior who should be able to love his coffee and it be a diamond for him, I had to meet the truth head on... I am caffeine sensitive.  Green Tea has a much more therapeutic effect on me.  Coffee charges me up more, makes me more "Rah! Rah! Let's go!!" than green tea.  I sweat under my arms when I drink coffee, which looks pretty awful when you want to look professional.  I can execute tasks at the office quicker and be more mentally alert while on coffee.  But, my job, which I've been at for 26 years and ready to retire from in 4, can *ahem* bite the big one.  I *used* to think that I had to be a freight train getting things done left and right at the speed of light, not so much any more.  Now, it is chamomile tea and chamomile tincture all day long, and a smile on my face.  I would use coffee as a crutch for more energy, but it is just a quick fix, and a poor one at that, the excess caffeine just gives me too much stress.  I think as I lose more weight by sticking with my SWAMI and exercise more, I will get energy, the good kind of energy.
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:50pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Kim

My Mom is an O and she won't give up coffee.  She has lots of stomach acid issues.  Of course she is taking all kinds of medications that are making it worse, but I can't reason with her at all.  My brothers who are managing her care, buy into all the big pharma decisions that her doctors make so I have no  influence there either.  


That happens to many people.  It definately happens to me and i am A.  I love the stuff, but it is a love of poision to me!

As is said, there are exceptions to every rule.  The stomach acid and blood type correlation are high, but not a 1 to 1 correlation.  There must be some O's that would benefit from coffee i would think...prob gatherers.  
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 12:17am; Reply: 26
ABJoe,
I, for one, know I am not alone on this forum in thanking you for all the experience and knowledge you bring! You were one of the first to be patient and help with my silly questions when I first started. I listened and learned from your welcome advice!
Keep it coming! ;) ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:26am; Reply: 27
Quoted from cajun
ABJoe,
I, for one, know I am not alone on this forum in thanking you for all the experience and knowledge you bring! You were one of the first to be patient and help with my silly questions when I first started. I listened and learned from your welcome advice!
Keep it coming! ;) ;D

Thanks...  I realize that I am sometimes terse and don't find all of the information at once, but my skin isn't so thin that I'll let one comment shake me away...  I've gotten so much help here that I feel that I have to give back and most appreciate it.
Posted by: Mickey, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:44am; Reply: 28
ABJoe,
I welcome all your knowledge to!!!.  ;)
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:38am; Reply: 29
Not only your knowledge, ABJoe, but your patience as well ;D. Could you send me some of that? ;D
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 9:55am; Reply: 30
Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful.
How can you say that?

Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:18pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Goldie
Patty .. have you read the books? that is important.. there is much info to put together..

O's have enough stomach acid for what is good for us.. A's have enough stomach acid for what is good for them..

O's are not meant to drink charcoal for breakfast, and A's are not meant to brush their teeth with meat sauce..

having some fun here, so you can see what I mean..  ;D

THE food that are good for O's is in any of the books.. Whether YOU or I are able to change from one day to the other is NOT the issue.. you may want to keep drinking coffee, while, A's might want to continue to eat meat - for a while.. YES we all have our threshold of what we are willing to give up or when.. I am not certain that giving it up is one issue, not understanding why is a much bigger one..

NOT wanting to follow blindly and give up all sorts of foods for a time is important, but understanding WHY is a different discussion.. O's have indeed enough stomach acid.. they don't need to have any more, and coffee has little to do with that, other then activating all sorts of body issues that are basically not good for us.

You could ask the same QUESTION about any beans.. certain ones we just don't do well with.. and that is basically all we normal humans need to consider and then IF WE CHOOSE to eat or drink something not good for us, then we don't need to do anything other then accept our selves for whatever follows..

Some add sugars when they have Coffee, strong and ready to go on Monday morning to take apart the world and start putting it back together every day.. while others, learn to get up and smell the flowers along the way.  The REASONS of why what and so on is of no importance.. The tycoons say they need to do what they do, while eventually they get sick and make room for another behind him or her...

Knowing that coffee is not good because it interferes with your development of many body fluids starting in the throat, down the hatch, then the gallbladder needing to respond, then the liver needing to dump stuff to neutralize it, the pancreas having to do extra work..never mind all the processes that are needed to get the stuff poured out of you and keep you going, all the wile the brain nerve centers are busy directing traffic while trying to balance the stuff that is 'poisoning' your mind and body function..  Every gland gets involved trying to process what we put into it, every cell that is preoccupied with foods that are not good for them, need to expend much more energy in defense of short term thinking and acting on it.  I know becasue with diabetes you can see what sugars do to the body in near record time - every time!

Thinking about EACH food, or drink item -- ice cream, coffee ice cream - I can make all sort of excuses for having it, but in the end I need to decide how sick I wish to be, for its sugar, fat, flavor triggering my addiction, its acid, its slowing my digestion for the other ingredients in coffee, the roasted parts, and so on.. I have to accept that I will never know what harm it does.. but I do know it will .. so it is with coffee lattee or any name we give it..

All the reasons of why we should not have it are spelled out in all the books.. It pays to read all the front pages and all the other pages and always the O pages as they tell you why we O's are quick tempered, quick to pic up new habits, slow giving them up and forever doing battle with our own health..

That is indeed the answer to your question, or I could have said.. it is the opposite .. we have more then enough acid.. but that is a minute part of the story.. patience is one such item affecting us big time, time to learn is another.. give your self time.. the results of feeling better one food at a time, will show and tell more then all the words..  

By the way there where many of the same questions already posted and answered on the use of coffee, you might have seen them in search.. and seen how hard it is for everyone to get it that coffee is a bean roasted and charred, to which we add all sorts of stuff to make it delish, and wash down that desserts so that we can feel - spell it backward .. stressed..     8)


Goldie, I have read all the books, some more than once.  In fact, the only one I don't own is Dr. D's book on cancer because I don't know anyone who has cancer.

That being said, as I stated in my earlier post, my cholesterol and blood sugar were better when I was drinking coffee.  I never had stomach acid issues.  O non-secretors have less IAP.  I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.  I think it is a valid question and would love an answer to that specific issue.  I think it was Mickey who said it is an individual thing and I appreciate that, but I would love for someone with knowledge of nonnies to chime in, if possible.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 2:28pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Gina
Why is coffee on type O avoid list? I know I need to avoid it, but what is the reasoning behind it??? Please advise.


Gina, the short answer is that O's have a highly acidic stomach environment as it is.  Coffee adds more acid to the stomach and makes the stomach environment even more acidic.  It is also why other acidic foods are avoids, such as vinegars, pickles, etc.  Too much acid for an already acidic environment.  I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction  ;)
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 3:09pm; Reply: 33
Patty,
Wish I could answer your question about coffee.  I think that considering all your concerns and the test results, a call to Dr. Nash might be in order to address specific concerns about coffee and about your cholesterol and C Reactive protein test results. Please don't "throw the baby out with the bath water".  Get some answers from those in the know.
(((((MORE HUGS)))))
Jane
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 5:18pm; Reply: 34
There are exceptions to each rule.  I am A and have plenty of stomach acid.  Coffee is the last thing my stomach needs!  There must be Os w lower acid i would think too.  If it works for you, then it works!!  
Posted by: Kim, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 5:30pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Easy E
There are exceptions to each rule.  I am A and have plenty of stomach acid.  Coffee is the last thing my stomach needs!  There must be Os w lower acid i would think too.  If it works for you, then it works!!  


And all A's are different too.  I have very little stomach acid.  Coffee does not affect me at all and is actually listed as a beneficial on my swami.  
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 8:19pm; Reply: 36
Easy E and Kim,

You two are right. Its all about individuality.

Just look at Easy...an A explorer with alot of stomach acid.
            
Kim...an A explorer with little stomach acid.

I am an A teacher/explorer somewhere in the middle with the stomach acid but I enjoy coffee maybe 2 or 3 times a week yet always eat something with it! ;)...no problem. Its a bene on my swami, also.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 2:29am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Kim


And all A's are different too.  I have very little stomach acid.  Coffee does not affect me at all and is actually listed as a beneficial on my swami.  


I envy you that coffee is a beneficial!   I miss it terribly.  :-/
Posted by: Beachgirl, Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 7:05am; Reply: 38
Fortunately, coffee is nothing I had to give up as it never sat well with me anyway.  I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine, anything that mimics caffeine and, well, sensitive to a whole bunch of stuff...(shrug)  I'm hoping my Geno book & secretor kit arrive soon, so I can learn more & hopefully feel some benefits.
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 1:21pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???


Gina...he wasn't showing off...he was just quoting the Blood Type Encyclopedia that Dr. D has written.  

Thank you ABJoe for being helpful.

Debra :)

P.S.  And the main reason I got off coffee...migraines.  ;)

Posted by: Spazcat, Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 1:50pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Patty H


I envy you that coffee is a beneficial!   I miss it terribly.  :-/


Me too.  I've been off it for awhile now (had some on vacation tho!) and now when I wake up in the am I think, "oh, yay! another cup of yerba mate (or green tea) awaits me!"  Might as well go back to sleep.

I haven't noticed much difference being off it.  Thought it was making me jittery for awhile but that turned out to be too much thyroid meds.
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 2:51pm; Reply: 41
I've been off coffee now for about a month, with a small relapse of a few days in the middle of that.  But, this morning, while sipping my Mr. Itaru's Green Tea from Dr. D's web store, I was loving the fact that as I drink it, I know that I'm drinking something that is in there fighting cancer and heart disease.  I make it real quickly using a plunger pot.  Opened a new pack this morning and it is just wonderful stuff.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, September 2, 2011, 12:50am; Reply: 42
Patty H,
I know the feeling.
I watch my DH eat sweet potatoes ( my fave!) or peppers and my mouth waters! :-/
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, September 2, 2011, 5:35am; Reply: 43
yeah, I've gotten off coffee but want something rich but with the gentle kick of yerba mate', but richer so I can add cream to it...... 8) I miss the decadence of that.
Tomorrow I will try morning thunder (bl. tea and yerba m) with cream......... :D
Posted by: honeybee, Friday, September 2, 2011, 6:52am; Reply: 44
Quoted from jayneeo
yeah, I've gotten off coffee but want something rich but with the gentle kick of yerba mate', but richer so I can add cream to it...... 8) I miss the decadence of that


Dandelion 'coffee' is perfect with a lil dash of cream  :P

Look out for the one that does not have additives like lactose, most contain some chicory though.
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, September 4, 2011, 2:18am; Reply: 45
I feel as an A it gives me immune benefits.  I think this is a reason i keep drinking it.

I drink mine black with sugar or honey, i keep it pretty simple!
Posted by: Mickey, Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:18pm; Reply: 46
Quoted Text
Tomorrow I will try morning thunder (bl. tea and yerba m) with cream.........

Jayneeo,
I'm sorry if i have asked this before, where do you buy this in San Jose?.

Thanks!
Mickey
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, September 5, 2011, 3:53pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Gina
Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???


It's not about the caffeine. Coffee has other stuff in it that's bad for us- it causes us to produce more insulin, for example, which then makes it harder for us to keep our blood sugar stable. There may be other problems with coffee as well.

Meanwhile, green tea has all kinds of antioxidants and other properties that are very healthy for us. Caffeine-sensitive individuals would need to drink decaffinated green tea, or lose out on green tea's beneficial properties.

A better question, really, is why black tea is an avoid while green tea is beneficial. The answer is that there's something in the process of turning green tea leaves into black tea leaves that creates harmful substances and weakens the beneficial aspects of tea.
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:25pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Patty H


O non-secretors have less IAP.  I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.  


Patty, where did you get the information that O nonnies have the stomach environment of an A? I'm just curious, because I'm an O nonnie and I definitely have way more stomach acid than my DH, who is an A nonnie. From what I have read, I deduct that even those who have a relatively lower level of stomach acid among the Type O's would have a higher level of it than any Type A's.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:28pm; Reply: 49
O nonnies may have less stomach acid than O secretors, but we still have way more than A secretors! I'm pretty sure that, in order of most stomach acid to least, it  goes: O sec, O non, B sec, B non, AB sec, AB non, A sec, A non.

Of  course, that's just the general rule and there are plenty of individual exceptions.
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 9:40pm; Reply: 50
Having coffee on its own on an empty stomach made me realize the effects it has on me and is generally never a good reaction lol! I never notice any bad issues when I consume it with something else. So I guess the effects are there but tampered by the other ingredients I have ingested.

It significantly increases my adrenaline and I sweat, even if the coffee is not very hot. If I go do exercise to get out of the anxious/disoriented mood I run out of energy after 10 minutes. Sometimes it gives me acid stomach. I lose my appetite mostly because of the weird sensations I get.

I guess it confirms Dr. D’s reasons stated related to adrenaline, insulin and acid stomach.

I do not get the same reaction to green tea, except the sweating if the tea is too hot.
:K)
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 11:34pm; Reply: 51
balletomane and Ruthie, it was in response to a thread I posted on IAP and non-secretors that C Sharp said that O nonnies would have about the same amount of IAP as that of A secretors.  Maybe I am confusing IAP and stomach acid?
Posted by: Desiree, Friday, October 21, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 52
I have looked through the coffee string to see if I could find the answer to my question to no avail.

In BT values there is no indication of WHY coffee is an avoid for B's.  Does it "flocculates" or "precipitate" something? Ha ha...  

I'm putting together a booklet for my own reference that spells out why particular foods are avoids or beneficial - how they affect my body when I eat them and how I have felt when I have consumed them.  If I feel like getting off track I look at it - at a glance - and know, in my own simple terminology, what its doing to me.  Have to keep in in sight sometimes when the sugar fairy calls.  Makes it easier to explain the diet to others, too.  

So - anyone know the explaination for the "avoid" for B blood type?
Posted by: Dianne, Friday, October 21, 2011, 4:40pm; Reply: 53
No ideas to the above question as I am an O secretor, but like your reference idea. I shall implement it for myself.

I believe Ruthie mentioned that type O should probably drink decaf green tea. Well...again it comes down to individuality. I can drink green tea before bed and fall asleep...but I gave up black tea years ago. The time to drink black tea before it affected my sleep changed as the years went by...after dinner, 4:00 p.m. and then as early as 2:00 p.m. kept me up.

My husband, O nonnie, will drink coffee for long distance travel only, no stomach acid problems for him ever. He's got a stomach of steel! But...he can't have green tea after 4:00 p.m. or he won't sleep properly.

I may have consumed 30 cups of coffee in my life; I love the smell but not the taste and its effects. I would burp it up and the stomach acid was awful.
Posted by: Desiree, Friday, October 21, 2011, 5:01pm; Reply: 54
Yes, my fiance is an O and will experience stomach issues, pain with stomach acid.  Me, disturbs sleep, ears ring and seems to make my bladder too active; at least three night runs.  I'm not supposed to drink it - I have to keep my blackstrap molasses, pure cocoa, agave and goat milk handy for those cold winter mornings about to close upon us!  When you are eating to respect your body you have to be prepared! Not always convenient or easy, but keeps me occupied.
Posted by: Dianne, Saturday, October 22, 2011, 3:41am; Reply: 55
I used to love hot goat milk with blackstrap molasses. Haven't had that in years! It was a powdered goat milk and I'd have it just before bed and sleep like a baby. I should try it with carob and almond milk. When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, October 22, 2011, 4:10am; Reply: 56
Quoted from Dianne
I used to love hot goat milk with blackstrap molasses. Haven't had that in years! It was a powdered goat milk and I'd have it just before bed and sleep like a baby. I should try it with carob and almond milk. When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!


Powdered goat milk, sounds good I'll look for that.  It's a black dot, so I don't really like to keep the wet stuff around, but a hot cocoa mix really sounds nice.
Chicory is a diamond for me (gatherer) I have it with agave, and a little cream for the mornings.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Saturday, January 21, 2012, 12:51am; Reply: 57
Hope I got the quote things in the right place!
Lola, I was familiar with this because I am an O. But I am wondering if this is true for Bs as well. (the bit about cortisol really made me sit up and take notice.) My 82 year old mom tolerates me not letting her have coffee, but gets my brother to make it for her when I'm not around... it (and her other food addictions) are so much of an issue that she basically has told me she doesn't want me staying with her and helping her. She's daibetic AND has a heart condition ($ operations so far...)

Quoted Text
Type O’s avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine can be particularly harmful because of its tendency to raise adrenaline and noradrenaline, which are already high for Type O’s

LR4YT on page 137 it is written that all
    forms of Coffee increase stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
    much help with, if the stomach is working properly.
about caffeine for type O in LR4YT on page 169-70. The short version is it is not recommended.
coffee raises your adrenaline levels (stress) which can cause a hypoglycemic effect in O's because our adrenaline levels are high (flight or fight) to begin with especially if you do not exercise regularly.
    increased cortisol which increases intra abdominal fat. coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.

    [quote]mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia or some sort of blood sugar issue
    Crashing and burning and then...Starting to crave carbohydrates messes w/ the adrenal glands hypertension. Also it causes excess acidity leading to acid reflux.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Saturday, January 21, 2012, 12:58am; Reply: 58
Quoted Text
I still don't understand why, if O nonnie's have the stomach environment of an A, with less stomach acid rather than more, why some A's can drink coffee but O nonnies cannot.


This O nonnie is an Explorer! It doesn't bother my stomach but it will keep me up at night , and if I drink the fully caffinated stuff I turn into a motor mouth-- it's embarrassing. Bt the main reason I seldom drink it is that I don't like it without cream, and that makes me snotty-- can't do the smallest amount of dairy without feeling it in my respiratory system.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Saturday, January 21, 2012, 1:00am; Reply: 59
Meant to say-- being a non-secretor is what makes me an Explorer--otherwise I'd be a Hunter-- and its my explorerness that makes coffee not work for me.
I do drink it 1 or 2 times a month, as a "treat" ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, January 21, 2012, 1:58am; Reply: 60
Quoted from Dianne
When I travel by car I take lots with me. By plane, not as much but I always search the net to know where the health food store are where I will be traveling and ask for specific products. It's alot easier to stay at home!


Same here!  ;)  I email or call natural food stores in places I will be traveling to and ask them to set aside products or even order them to have ready when I get there.  
Posted by: ieatmeatnlikeit, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 6:13am; Reply: 61
I always learn  when I click on the "coffee" threads!
I had a couple o cups  today :B.
But I stopped cold turkey last week another long stretch of three or four espresso with plenty o organic 1/2n1/2 routine. For what it's worth I think my reason for trying to cut back now is inflammation. Not severe but pesky. I didn't have any trouble with things like headache and I was surprised that regularity was actually enhanced some. I have indulged mostly with organic fair trade non espresso roasts but I "espress" whatever I can find in a tiny stove top pot. I used a substitute this past week in the same pot. A relative brought me some Chagga to try back in the summer. If it sounds new to you as it was to me it is a fungus found  at the base of some kind of birch trees. Dried up and ground up it works as a tea most any way but for me it was nifty to espress it. I don't sweeten my coffee but I did add a taste o honey to the Chagga oh and still used that organic 1/2 & 1/2 too. Why did I have coffee again today? I ran out of Chagga. I may try green tea this week. Chagga is said to be anti cancer btw but I still need to check on its blood type status. Anyone know about that? I don't think it's listed. I've said this before and I might as well say it again: If you really pay attention I really don't think the wake up effect is all that real when one gets down to it. I don't dispute the stimulant properties of drinking coffee. I do notice magical alertness right out of bed this time just a few days away from the last morning cup of coffee. I really think morning drowsiness in die hard coffee drinkers is just part of the crash syndrome. It's some kind of maintaining the level thing. Death to all harmful Polyamines!
iemnli    
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 7:04am; Reply: 62
Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
I always learn  when I click on the "coffee" threads!
Death to all harmful Polyamines!
So do I ;)Glad you said death to all *harmful* polyamines, as it is such a balancing act...:X http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archiveb/config.pl?​read=102573
Posted by: dawgmama, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 2:08pm; Reply: 63
I am an A nonnie, Explorer, according to my Swami. I am sensitive to caffeine , so Swami declared my previously bennie coffee, an avoid. Could I switch to de-cafe? That would bypass most of the caffeine , but still supply the acid I may need. Any ideas? Thanks, Nan
Posted by: Dianne, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 3:41pm; Reply: 64
Being an O I can't really comment on that, but if you are going to continue with coffee now & then, I suggest that you drink organic coffee. It will be easier on your liver, too many chemicals otherwise.  :)
Posted by: dawgmama, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 4:19pm; Reply: 65
Good idea Dianne, I will switch to that as I wean myself off. s-l-o-w-l-y!  ;) Don't want the headaches that accompany breaking my addiction!
Posted by: Christopher1, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 7:07pm; Reply: 66
Coffee is hard to give up, especially when all those paleo people are enjoying their coffee with chicory root. I want coffee too!
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, January 22, 2012, 11:49pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from Lola
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers :)

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

find out more using the search window


It did that to me (sugar crash and strong rushes).  Dr. D had a reason why explorers should not drink coffee at all.  I thought because i am an A (it is an A superfood), i could drink it and it didn't matter.  I can't have my cake and eat it too!

Black coffee makes my sugar drop low low, hungry and tingly, and coffee with sugar just gives me a rush.  Also gives me a sour stomach and throat irritation that comes on a few hours later and can eat little without getting acid reflux activity.

I am not touching it any more, only small amounts of teas right for my gt.  O's and non O explorers should prob stay away from the stuff altogether.

I drank it last on wed. black with nothing, and felt tingly and hungry for awhile.  I am not drinking it again, i broke the cravings, it only took me a few days.  It is free and there all day where i work, but so are teas.  And most importantly, water!

It really shocked me when i drank it black and felt the way i did, it revealed a lot.
Posted by: yaeli, Monday, January 23, 2012, 5:42am; Reply: 68
Quoted from ieatmeatnlikeit
I don't sweeten my coffee but I did add a taste o honey to the Chagga oh and still used that organic 1/2 & 1/2 too.
I make my morning "coffee" from 2 Chaga capsules, 3 Maitake, 2 Reishi, and sometimes add Lion's Mane.

And my afternoon/evening "coffee" from 1 Chaga, 3 Maitake, and 2-3 Dragon Herbs' "Four Kings". This last one is made of 4 main mushrooms extracts, Reishi, Maitake, Agaricus, and Cordyceps. It is very aromatic, very nice - and very strong...   ::)

This is where I buy: JHS Mushroom Science, Dragon Herbs' Four Kings
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, January 23, 2012, 10:47am; Reply: 69
Meant to say-- being a non-secretor is what makes me an Explorer--otherwise I'd be a Hunter-- and its my explorerness that makes coffee not work for me.
I do drink it 1 or 2 times a month, as a "treat" ;)


Sorry to interrupt the discussion on coffee temporarily--but being an O non-secretor doesn't automatically make one an Explorer. I am an O nonnie and a Hunter, although I am very close to being an Explorer as well. Just wanted to clear things up a little. Please go on with your coffee discussion  ;)
Posted by: ieatmeatnlikeit, Monday, January 23, 2012, 9:28pm; Reply: 70
Heya Yaeli, Nice blending of the extracts and powders! Thanks for the source link!
iemnli
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:36am; Reply: 71
:)  (drool)  ;)
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 9:04pm; Reply: 72
balletomane, sorry to seem to imply that all O non-secretors are Explorers-- not my intent.

With my measurements, RH factor, etc (if you look at the charts in the back of the GT book), secretor status is the critical factor for me-- secretors with my measurements are Hunters. Non-secretors with my measurements are Explorers.
Posted by: balletomane, Friday, January 27, 2012, 3:55am; Reply: 73
I see, Bekki. Thanks for the clarification!
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Friday, February 17, 2012, 9:03pm; Reply: 74
And in fact if I remember correctly it's different by gender as well-- men with my measurements etc are Hunters or something. (finger length I think).
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2012, 3:47pm; Reply: 75
I never drank coffee before but have drank some lately due to stress & was wondering if it contains an actual lectin that is bad for Hunters.
Posted by: wrotek, Friday, March 30, 2012, 4:00pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from Susana
Having coffee on its own on an empty stomach made me realize the effects it has on me and is generally never a good reaction lol! I never notice any bad issues when I consume it with something else. So I guess the effects are there but tampered by the other ingredients I have ingested.

It significantly increases my adrenaline and I sweat, even if the coffee is not very hot. If I go do exercise to get out of the anxious/disoriented mood I run out of energy after 10 minutes. Sometimes it gives me acid stomach. I lose my appetite mostly because of the weird sensations I get.

I guess it confirms Dr. D’s reasons stated related to adrenaline, insulin and acid stomach.

I do not get the same reaction to green tea, except the sweating if the tea is too hot.
:K)


Thank You for Ur very detailed observation. Indeed coffee contains other ingredients than caffeine, that makes it even stronger beverage.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, July 1, 2012, 12:38am; Reply: 77
Quoted from Patty H
Here's what I don't understand.  If O nonnies don't have the same amount of stomach acid, and in fact their stomach acid is quite low, why is coffee a problem for O nonnies.  I can understand why it is a problem for O secretors, but I don't understand why it is a problem for O nonnies.
Can't see an actual answer to this question... :-/
I am also wondering if decaf coffee would actually be a better alternative to cocoa for me?! I have trouble with histamines and cocoa is listed as a histamine releaser, as well as a substance that blocks the diamine oxidase (DAO) enzyme (along with green tea, black tea and mate tea) ??)
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2012, 9:06pm; Reply: 78
This might be a good choice of decaf for the coffee drinkers:

http://www.coffeeam.com/bludebrasorc.html

It is organic and uses the 'Swiss method' instead of chemicals to remove the caffeine.
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2012, 9:07pm; Reply: 79
And, yes, I'd like to know if I can have decaf coffee, even though it is marked avoid on my SWAMI because I checked 'caffeine sensitive'.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, July 2, 2012, 10:43pm; Reply: 80
Thanks Adam!!
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 3:33pm; Reply: 81
You're welcome, Possum.  I'm giving all my coffee supplies, including the decaf I bought, to a co-worker.  I'm done with coffee in all forms.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 12:21am; Reply: 82
Quoted from 10384
You're welcome, Possum.  I'm giving all my coffee supplies, including the decaf I bought, to a co-worker.  I'm done with coffee in all forms.


Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  :)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 8:24pm; Reply: 83
The June 30 edition of Science News reports the results of a study that suggests that drinking coffee may increase life span.  The effect is stronger in women and for those who drink six or more cups per day.  There's no mention of the effect of cream and / or sugar.  But decaf is just as effective as regular.  Read more:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/340733/title/Coffee_gives_jolt_to_life_span
Posted by: san j, Sunday, July 8, 2012, 12:10am; Reply: 84
The reason I'm not going there is because I believe in Individuality, and unless the results are broken down by some marker such as blood type, I don't really care for following "the latest new study".

If it says Coffee increases blood type A's life span, for instance, that might be worth a click. For me, I'm saying.

'Cause it also raises blood pressure, more or less in some people. It also alkalizes the blood, ditto...
For me, it revitalizes, most of the time.


But, thanks for sharing, of course.
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Monday, July 9, 2012, 2:04pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from san j


Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  :)


Number one, I don't entertain guests.  Number two, they can have whatever I have on hand, which may include water, tea, juice, soy milk, or almond milk.  Why have something tempting around while I'm trying to be 100% compliant?  Would you ask an alcoholic why he doesn't keep some booze around for his guests?  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, July 9, 2012, 5:50pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from san j


Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  :)


I keep instant coffee on hand for guests. I still have my 4-cup coffee maker that I bought for myself pre-BTD. I have a type B son for whom coffee is neutral, so I'm keeping the coffee maker around in case he ever uses it someday. It's kept in an out-of-the-way cabinet, though. If my kids were all O's, I would have freecycled the machine.

My coffee grinder is now used for grinding spices and sugar (to make corn-free powdered sugar for birthday cake frosting.)

I don't keep non-instant coffee on hand because it gets stale too quickly- a relatively fresh package of instant coffee is going to taste better than brewed coffee from stale beans! Also, more than half the time, we have guests on Shabbos, when we can't brew fresh coffee but can mix instant with the water I keep hot all of Shabbos. I'd need instant coffee for guests even if I had the supplies for brewing it fresh. And since I don't live alone, my teens invite people over a lot, including several "regulars" who drink coffee.

If I lived alone and didn't entertain much, I'd offer any guests the things I can consume safely, such as green tea.
Posted by: san j, Monday, July 9, 2012, 10:05pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from san j
Guests often ask for coffee. Why not keep it on hand?  :)


Quoted from 10384


Number one, I don't entertain guests.  Number two, they can have whatever I have on hand, which may include water, tea, juice, soy milk, or almond milk.  Why have something tempting around while I'm trying to be 100% compliant?  Would you ask an alcoholic why he doesn't keep some booze around for his guests?  


Adam: Please don't take offense at my question. It was not meant as an enticement to sin or debauchery or illness, I assure you, okay? ruthiegirl explains well, above, that many people who don't drink coffee themselves do keep some around for guests and family. I don't know your family situation.

Ruthie: Re: Your belief that coffee beans go stale, while instant coffee does not: Just keep your beans in the freezer.


Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 1:19am; Reply: 88
I understand that many forum members don't like "one-size-fits-all" advice or study results.

However, given that studies usually deal with random samples of population, and that there are more blood type O individuals in the population than all other types combined, if a study says that something has a certain effect in most subjects, there's a favorable chance that type O will experience that effect.

Besides, Dr. D might not have considered this effect of coffee in the SWAMI.  Since SWAMI is a "black box" to nearly everyone here, it's important to bring these non-blood-type-specific studies to light.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 4:33am; Reply: 89
Quoted from Possum
Can't see an actual answer to this question... :-/
I am also wondering if decaf coffee would actually be a better alternative to cocoa for me?! I have trouble with histamines and cocoa is listed as a histamine releaser, as well as a substance that blocks the diamine oxidase (DAO) enzyme (along with green tea, black tea and mate tea) ??)
Just bumping this question... & adding another one...

I was also looking for the thread where Lola said something to the effect that for some of us O's coffee was actually ok :-/ (individuality at work again) Can anyone recall please?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 5:03am; Reply: 90
Quoted Text
looking for the thread where Lola said something to the effect that for some of us O's coffee was actually ok


I did???? ::) ;D

you do not need my permission to drink coffee......

I can proudly say I weaned my self off it a decade ago!!!
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 5:52am; Reply: 91
Well I thought I read something you (or someone) had said re it helping those O's who actually have lower levels of stomach acid?!
Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 9:53am; Reply: 92
Gatherers, therfore some O's, have coffee as black dot.

Perhaps, as per Swami, some O gatherers can have coffee as neutral or beneficial but I have not read of any.

How about Yerba Mate for you.

:K)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 2:27am; Reply: 93
Thanks for the suggestion Susana... Not sure I can get Yerba Mate here though & I do like drinking coffee - especially in our city (which has extremely good coffee & actually more coffee places per head of population than New York even) I feel it is a nice social thing to do - especially as it is already anti social enough not to be able to order regular food... ;)

Having given it up at various times along the way, it does seem to be suiting me after reintroducing it recently & actually seems to help my weight issues, rather than the other way round - hence my curiosity re some O's actually doing ok on it ;)
I don't get reflux, sleep issues (like yesterday I had a coffee right before bed) or any other of the commonly mentioned reactions to coffee - not even withdrawal if I don't have as much... Today I have had just one coffee at 10.30am & am not craving it even though it is 2.30 now ??) ;)
Posted by: cajun, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 2:42am; Reply: 94
Individuality, Possum! ;)
I experiment just like you. If we listen to our bodies, we learn.
The 3 most difficult things for me to adjust to on my swami (actually BTD and GTD before that)were these avoids...tomato (my salsa and pasta sauce :'(), wheat breads in general( artisan boules, croissants, etc.), and black and red peppers.
Over the years I paid attention to how I felt after eating these avoids...and frankly, were they worth it?
Wheat...not worth it; tomato....once in a blue moon.....peppers, never bothered me!
So, I cut way backon my pepper consumption just to be more compliant.
Coffee for you may be as peppers are for me. ;D  
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 3:01am; Reply: 95
Cheers - I think you're right Cajun ;) Perhaps coffee is ok then...especially as I don't seem to have as much stomach acid as some O's... (which is what the comment was alluding to, that I thought Lola had made...) :-/ ;) Maybe one of my Grandparents was an A?

I typically react so quickly to things & yet don't even seem to react to coffee or even wheat as badly as some??) ;) Cheese will give me an instant 2lb water retention gain overnight, whereas a slice or two of bread, if I have walked plenty that day is not a problem...

Perfumes/airfresheners & petrol fumes plus additives/preservatives/gums & thickeners will give me way more of a problem & fairly immediately, more than most foods, although soy & cucumbers do give me an instant problem::)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 4:10am; Reply: 96
Quoted from san j
Ruthie: Re: Your belief that coffee beans go stale, while instant coffee does not: Just keep your beans in the freezer.
I don't have the freezer space. Nor do I really want to bother with taking down the coffee grinder AND the coffee maker every time we have a  guest- and then I'd have to clean out the coffee grinder before using it to grind sugar for the next birthday cake. It's just not worth the hassle, when I can offer guests instant with the same water I heat up for cocoa and tea.

I know that instant coffee goes stale, so I buy it in small packages every 2 months or so instead of in large packages that last me over a year. I recently threw out a package of instant decaf coffee, because I realized it was a year and a half old and it smelled like stale coffee, not like good coffee.

Possum- you've been on this diet long enough to know how to listen to your body. If coffee doesn't trouble you, then there's no reason for you to abstain!

Posted by: Possum, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 4:56am; Reply: 97
I know Ruthie... It's just that so many other issues have clouded things along the way, that it's seriously been incredibly hard to really know what I am/was reacting to at any given time... :-/ Especially while working in a highly toxic (to me) environment::) which thankfully, I am not now!!
You must remember my earlier thread over that time (*blushes*)??!! And then you read so many threads/posts on how O's shouldn't drink coffee (you'd almost think some people forget we are all individuals) I get the impression it's the biggest sin in the BT world (next to deliberately eating avoids) for O's to indulge in coffee...?!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 6:31am; Reply: 98
I literally lost a good friend to coffee

She is German
The morning I decided to go off coffee, she declared war on me!!! ;)

oh well!!!  her loss, not mine....

I am still reaping the benefits
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 1:06pm; Reply: 99
Lola, how does coffee affect insulin?  Does Dr. D have anything on how it affects insulin on the different blood types?  I am sure genotype plays a role in this too though.

I do not have blood sugar problems, but i am in home health care and some clients of mine are diabetic.  Trying to learn more about diabetes.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, August 2, 2012, 3:05pm; Reply: 100
Quoted from Easy E
Lola, how does coffee affect insulin?  


https://www.google.com/search?q=coffee+insulin+nih&rls=com.microsoft:en-us

Good place to start. Or go directly to the NCBI/NIH website and search there.

Or do a general google search for a simplified explanation that is more than a few sentences.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Saturday, August 4, 2012, 11:36pm; Reply: 101
I allow myself two cups of coffee on a full stomach (after breakfast and lunch, for example).  I've never had a problem with my stomach except for that period during which I snacked on chocolate-covered expresso beans.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, August 5, 2012, 1:20am; Reply: 102
Thanks for posting S.Peg... ;) Coffee (even regular) still doesn't seem to be affecting me either & I have to say my skin is staying clearer (not sure if there is any connection, but who knows, there could be?)
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