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Posted by: Sulis, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 4:04am
Too hard in my case it seems. My doctor refused to add ABO typing to a blood test I had today, I have tried the home test kits twice without success and I am permanently ineligible to give blood thanks to a nasty type of hepatitis I had in my 20's so I can't go to the blood bank.

The problem with the home test cards is that I cannot get enough blood out of my fingertips to do the test properly despite soaking them in a cup of warm water, letting my arm hang down for ages and stabbing my fingertips numerous times, I'm too good a clotter.

I'm open to all suggestions at this point.......... ??)
Posted by: DoS, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 4:34am; Reply: 1
Drink a bunch of home brewed ginger water with lemon juice in it first, then try.

At one point I actually removed the pricking devices from the inside and drove it into my finger because I was so frustrated at trying to get enough blood out.
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 5:16am; Reply: 2
Try pricking a vein on the back of your hand. If you flex your hand you can get one to pop out.  8)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 5:37am; Reply: 3
a real dilemma Sulis!!!! ;D

however I can practically ascertain there s an A somewhere
Posted by: Sulis, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 6:34am; Reply: 4
Thanks for the suggestions guys  :) nice to know I'm not the only one who struggled with those damn lancets! Guess it'll have to be third time lucky with another one of those home kits although I might try slicing a finger open with a razor to ensure enough blood for the test this time  :P
Posted by: geminisue, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 10:50am; Reply: 5
Please say your were joking!

Wash hands in hot water, not warm water.

milk your finger (put the finger your going to use, between your thumb and fore finger (index)pull away from it, the whole tip should turn red, pick up the lancet, put again the side of it and press (have card already prepared)and drop onto each spot by letting the blood release and move on, remember to read directions ahead of time, at how to move the card, so it is going in correct directions.

Good Luck!

(or have someone else do it to you)
(or take with you and have doctor do it next visit)maybe dr will accomodate this)
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 1:34pm; Reply: 6
Check your birth certficate.  I think they put it on there.

Here in Louisiana, they used to have our blood type on our licenses if we were an organ donor.  Not anymore though.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:09pm; Reply: 7
If you can't draw enough blood with a lancet, can you find a private lab who will do it for a fee?  Even if you can't give blood have you called the Australian equivalent of the American Red Cross.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:30pm; Reply: 8
Extra lancets from school, medical facility, or pharmacy really help. I wish the kits had spares.

You may want to read some on suggested places to hit with the lancet.

The fact you are are having hard time, may indicate you have thick blood that clots easily, a characteristic of type A.

I would not rely on that though.

If you can find out siblings and/or parent blood types you may be able to reduce the possible blood types.

It is sometime possible to only need to get one dot on the eldon card to distinguish between the two possible blood types a person could be.

Ethnicity can make some blood types pretty unlikely.

Even if you cannot find out what type of blood relatives have most people in general are type A or O so if one can just get the first dot on the eldon card you can make a probable determination.

If the first dot has clumping (I am assuming usual arrangement of dots on card),
you are either A or AB. But since AB is rare you are most likely A.

If you do not have clumping in the first dot you are type O or B. O is more common than B. But there is still some possibility of B-so if you can get the second as the first you can be more confident in the O determination.

Knowing Rh is nice (third dot), but its affect on diet is only slight. So if you cannot get a third drop you should let it go. It is most important for having children, and the medical folks are going to determine that if you are having children.

The control is nice-but I have never needed it.

I have sometimes had children freak out about the lancet, I have thought about giving parents the cards and tell them to get the 4 drops of blood the next time the kid hurts him/herself. I have not tried this approach.  

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If getting blood is too much of a hassle. You might want to consider doing genetic testing. This is typically saliva or a cheek swab.  More expensive than using eldon cards (but if you have to use a lot of eldon cards).

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Another offbeat/expensive way to determine blood type (that I am not sure will work for you in Australia) is to test use saliva secretor testing.

If there is a probable blood type start with it.

If not here is the procedure.

Test for O secretor.

If this comes back positive, you are an O secretor no further test necessary.

If this comes back negative you are an O nonsecretor or another blood type.

So need to test other blood types.

Test next for A secretor.

If this comes back positive, you are probably an A secretor but could be an AB secretor. Either assume you are a an A secretor or test for B secretor (to determine AB).

If this comes back negative you could be a non secretor or a B secretor,
so test for B secretor.

If B secretor test comes back positive you are B secretor.

If O, A, and B secretor tests are all negative you are a nonsecretor of unknown blood type.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:33pm; Reply: 9
thick blood... sound like and A... quite possibly a non secretor too..

I have seen this a few times.

Wish you where here I would do it for you!

Lemon and water is a natural blood thinner and A's need to drink this every morning 1/2 fresh lemon in a glass of warm water.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:39pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Patty H
If you can't draw enough blood with a lancet, can you find a private lab who will do it for a fee?  Even if you can't give blood have you called the Australian equivalent of the American Red Cross.


May also be able to talk nurse or friend into poking finger and messaging finger to get the 4 drops out.

Most of the time nurses can get enough blood using a single lancet to determine my blood count (or other things), although it would take me more than one try with a lancet for me to get the blood. They have also had to use more than one lancet to get enough blood from me for simple tests.
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:51pm; Reply: 11
I was wondering about the home tests this morning. Are they accurate. I had ordered one for myself but did not have to use it. Found my type in my sons Vaccine book from when he was born. Is it accurate and easy to use besides the bleeding part? I am passing my test onto a friend from the gym who is going to give the btd a try. I want to make this as easy for her as possible. I am hoping to witness someone else in the flesh that will get the results I have had.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:56pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from 10809
I was wondering about the home tests this morning. Are they accurate. I had ordered one for myself but did not have to use it. Found my type in my sons Vaccine book from when he was born. Is it accurate and easy to use besides the bleeding part? I am passing my test onto a friend from the gym who is going to give the btd a try. I want to make this as easy for her as possible. I am hoping to witness someone else in the flesh that will get the results I have had.


Most home testing kits use an eldoncard.

Eldoncards are quite reliable. Eldoncards are also used in clinics and hospitals to determine blood type using the same procedure that you do at home.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 2:58pm; Reply: 13
Try contacting the blood bank anyway. They might be willing to do the blood typing for you, for a fee, even if you can't donate blood.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 3:43pm; Reply: 14
Blood typing cards are accurate.

Find a new doc who will type you.. but you may have to pay out of pocket for it.
Posted by: DoS, Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 5:12pm; Reply: 15
Technically stroking toward the heart increases blood flow to area the most. Do that before pricking, then you can "milk" to get it out, not to increase the blood flow to that area.
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:13am; Reply: 16
Quoted from geminisue
Please say your were joking!

Wash hands in hot water, not warm water.

milk your finger (put the finger your going to use, between your thumb and fore finger (index)pull away from it, the whole tip should turn red, pick up the lancet, put again the side of it and press (have card already prepared)and drop onto each spot by letting the blood release and move on, remember to read directions ahead of time, at how to move the card, so it is going in correct directions.

Good Luck!

(or have someone else do it to you)
(or take with you and have doctor do it next visit)maybe dr will accomodate this)


I tried squeezing my fingertip but got hardly anything, I really think I will need to make a cut next time!

Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:17am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
thick blood... sound like and A... quite possibly a non secretor too..

I have seen this a few times.

Wish you where here I would do it for you!

Lemon and water is a natural blood thinner and A's need to drink this every morning 1/2 fresh lemon in a glass of warm water.


I have been doing the warm lemon water thing for months now and I drink at least two litres of water a dy, I'm religious about it!

If I'm an A I'm going to be in trouble with this diet as I hate tofu, fish and lentils wreak havoc on my stomach, I have always thought I was an O as I don't do well on high carb/grain diets  :(
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:30am; Reply: 18
Quoted from C_Sharp
If you can find out siblings and/or parent blood types you may be able to reduce the possible blood types.


unfortunately no one in my family has a clue what type they are and blood typing is not put on your birth certificate in Australia as far as I know, it's certainly not on mine. I will have to rely on testing to find out.

Quoted Text
Even if you cannot find out what type of blood relatives have most people in general are type A or O so if one can just get the first dot on the eldon card you can make a probable determination.

If the first dot has clumping (I am assuming usual arrangement of dots on card),
you are either A or AB. But since AB is rare you are most likely A.


There was definitely clumping on the first dots on both cards  :( arg! not happy at being an A (if I am) as I hate vegetarian food!

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Quoted Text
Another offbeat/expensive way to determine blood type (that I am not sure will work for you in Australia) is to test use saliva secretor testing.

If there is a probable blood type start with it.

If not here is the procedure.

Test for O secretor.

If this comes back positive, you are an O secretor no further test necessary.

If this comes back negative you are an O nonsecretor or another blood type.

So need to test other blood types.

Test next for A secretor.

If this comes back positive, you are probably an A secretor but could be an AB secretor. Either assume you are a an A secretor or test for B secretor (to determine AB).

If this comes back negative you could be a non secretor or a B secretor,
so test for B secretor.

If B secretor test comes back positive you are B secretor.

If O, A, and B secretor tests are all negative you are a nonsecretor of unknown blood type.


I have purchased a secretor test kit but haven't used it yet, there is a lab here in Melbourne that does the testing so I will look into it.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:48am; Reply: 19
You may well not be an A.




For me the A diet was not high carb/grain. In fact when I followed the BTD, I ate almost no traditional grains at all (Perhaps some rice twice a month or so when eating with others).

Some type As do okay with a moderate amount of traditional grains, but A nonsecretors often need to avoid many of the traditional grains. I did eat some things you may or may not consider grains: Amaranth, teff, quinoa. But I did not eat large amounts of them either.

As an A, I ate turkey, ostrich, lamb, goat, black beans, pinto beans, and a large variety of fruits and vegetables. I did not eat much lamb or goat, but some As can handle more of these than I can.
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:49am; Reply: 20
Thanks for your help everyone :) this board is turning out to be a goldmine of info so far  ;D

I will try another home test kit but I will also contact the bloodbank here to see if I can get the typing done without becoming a donor (I'm ineligible because of hepatitis)

I did notice some clumping on the first dot of the previous Eldon cards I used and I'm a bit stressed at the idea that I could be an A as I have always had type O characteristics diet-wise i.e. I don't do well on wheat or high carbs and I can't tolerate lentils either.

I the past I have done really well on high protein, low carb diets especially if I stop eating sugar and I felt really well. I really want to improve my health now that I'm getting older so I was attracted to the BTD for that reason more than weight loss even though I am about 15 kilos overweight. I have had quite a few health issues in the past; ruptured appendix at age 13 with peritonitis, hepatitis (diagnosed as non A, non B in the 1980's), gall bladder removed in my 20's.

I'm looking forward to feeling healthier and hopefully the BTD can provide that :)
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 12:55am; Reply: 21
Quoted from C_Sharp
You may well not be an A.

But for me the A diet was not high carb/grain. In fact when I followed the BTD, I ate almost no traditional grains at all (Perhaps some rice twice a month or so when eating with others).

Some type As do okay with a moderate amount of traditional grains, but A nonsecretors often need to avoid many of the traditional grains. I did eat some things you may or may not consider grains: Amaranth, teff, quinoa. But I did not eat large amounts of them either.

As an A, I ate turkey, ostrich, lamb, goat, black beans, pinto beans, and a large variety of fruits and vegetables. I did not eat much lamb or goat, but some As can handle more of these than I can.


I'm really curious to know what my type is now! I'm not surprised that I'm having trouble with this as I have been the exception in just about everything my whole life. I really like meat and feel that I do well on it and I do like veggies a lot as well although I was diagnosed with fructose malabsorption about two years ago so I have to avoid some fruits and veg but I'm ok with most of them in moderation. I'm down with Quinoa and Amaranth and I love rice too.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 1:04am; Reply: 22
can t you simply walk into a blood donation center??
have them tell you and do good
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 1:05am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Sulis


There was definitely clumping on the first dots on both cards


I wrote my earlier response saying you might not be an A before reading the message with this note.

Clumping on the first dot would indicate of A or AB.

If you also react (clump/agglutinate) on the second dot, you would be AB.

If you did not get enough blood on the dot you may not see any agglutination.

But if you can see some clumping on a dot, you have enough blood and the blood is reacting and therefore should contain the indicated antigen.



Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 5:33am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Lola
can t you simply walk into a blood donation center??
have them tell you and do good


Unfortunately I later found out that my initial diagnosis of non A, non B hepatitis was most likely hep C and although I have no evidence of infection and am not a carrier it still makes you permanently ineligible to donate in Australia.  :(
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 5:37am; Reply: 25
Quoted from C_Sharp


I wrote my earlier response saying you might not be an A before reading the message with this note.

Clumping on the first dot would indicate of A or AB.

If you also react (clump/agglutinate) on the second dot, you would be AB.

If you did not get enough blood on the dot you may not see any agglutination.

But if you can see some clumping on a dot, you have enough blood and the blood is reacting and therefore should contain the indicated antigen.





I couldn't get enough blood on the card for the second dot to tell. I've never heard of anyone in my family being AB though, reckon I'm probably an A but will find out for sure. Curiouser and curioser!

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:56am; Reply: 26
What about trying the earlobe ( you´ll need help ;) )
My daughter was freaking out when I wanted to test her( when she was 5 ;)  fromthe finger.
so I used blood from the ear- they often do that on the hospitals as well.

Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 9:02am; Reply: 27
my ears are very sensitive  :o so I don't fancy the idea of trying to get blood from there! next time I do the test I'll just have to make sure I get enough blood from my finger.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 11:00am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Sulis
my ears are very sensitive  :o so I don't fancy the idea of trying to get blood from there! next time I do the test I'll just have to make sure I get enough blood from my finger.


Well my now 17 yo daughter actually said it was less painfull in ear  than in finger .... ;)
but the best part was that it was easy to get the blod out.
The reason why the use it with kids on hospitals.
Posted by: zenphoenix, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 12:04am; Reply: 29
this is so interesting, sulis... i hope you are successful on your next go around.

After reading this whole thread, i was going to mention that you could be an AB. My dad and brother are AB, as are a number of nieces and nephews... and they all clot like nobody's business! When my brother and i were still donating blood together, he had to drink 2 full litres of water within a couple of hours of going in to make sure that he would bleed properly.

ABs are rare, sure, but it's not a zero chance, so keep the options open!

As for getting yourself to bleed for the test... when the lancet broke on the test that i did on my honey, we ended up breaking it open, cleaned it with alcohol and just stabbed! Ended up drawing the blood from his arm instead of fingers, he bleed better that way. good luck.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 12:07am; Reply: 30
assume you are type B i nthe mean time. ;)

probably not type O lol
Posted by: Sulis, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 10:27am; Reply: 31
arg! I had long cherished the idea that I was type O, anyway I ordered another test kit and I should get it tomorrow, third time's the charm I hope!

I will be amazed if I am AB, watch this space.....
Posted by: gardengirl, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 10:44am; Reply: 32
I took a food sensitivity test a few months ago and had to collect close to a tsp worth of blood. There was no way on the first try. On the second one, still no luck so I had to get another kit. On that kit, I ran around the yard first, did some jumping jacks to get the blood flowing and instead of pricking the meaty part of the finger pad, I pricked off to the side (of my middle finger, of the hand I use most). This helped (me) tremendously.
Posted by: Sulis, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 10:54am; Reply: 33
I might try that area of my finger Gardengirl. We have had cold weather here and I have been cold all week, to the point where my rings are almost falling off my fingers so I need all the tips I can get!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 1:14pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Sulis
Thanks for the suggestions guys  :) nice to know I'm not the only one who struggled with those damn lancets! Guess it'll have to be third time lucky with another one of those home kits although I might try slicing a finger open with a razor to ensure enough blood for the test this time  :P


I just typed my son's girlfriend last week. You have to run your hand under warm water, as hot as you can stand it for a couple of minutes and then massage the finger pushing the blood upward to the tip. Then you use the lancet on the side of the tip. I got a nice blood supply out of her doing that. 3 big drops. I'm getting better at this  :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 1:37pm; Reply: 35
Also, try drinking several glasses of water with lemon juice in it before doing the  test (over a period of several hours.) Lemon juice can thin the blood. I did this the second time i donated blood last year, and I had a much easier time with that donation than with my first (when my blood didn't flow well and it took a VERY long time to fill the bag.)
Posted by: Sulis, Thursday, September 8, 2011, 11:00am; Reply: 36
My kit has arrived. I will be doing the test tomorrow as this week it's been cold at night and I just know I won't get any blood so I'm going to do it after a gym session.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, September 8, 2011, 2:29pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Sulis
My kit has arrived. I will be doing the test tomorrow as this week it's been cold at night and I just know I won't get any blood so I'm going to do it after a gym session.


Great idea, and take a picture and post the link; perhaps we can help you that way? :D
Posted by: Sulis, Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:21pm; Reply: 38
Well I jumped around like a loony to get my circulation going, drank enough lemon water to float the Titanic and butchered my finger but the test is finally done :) and..... it looks like I'm an A+

here's the very first test I did:


and here's the test I did tonight: (lots more blood this time)


That means that following the BTD for A's is going to be a big challenge for me as I hate tofu and fish and I can't eat lentils or beans as they give me irritable bowel type symptoms. If I just eat veggies, within half an hour my tummy is growling.

Gonna be tough but I have to do something to improve my health before I turn 50 in a few years time. Currently I am very run down and my immune system has taken a big hit this winter as I have had whooping cough and have caught bug after bug.

I have low energy and iron levels and am peri-menopausal to boot. Sounds horrible doesn't it? but I am determined to overcome these obstacles and improve my health. If I lose some weight along the way, great but my primary concern is to get my mojo back.

I'm open to all tips and suggestions :)
Posted by: chrissyA, Friday, September 9, 2011, 4:13pm; Reply: 39
Hi Sulis - Welcome to A+ :)   Yes, for a lot of people it is quite a challenge at first to change to the type A foods. But if you are a secretor, which about 80% of people are (the test should be a lot easier for you, all you have to do is spit :P) you will have all kinds of breads and pasta, and there are some cheeses available for A's as well. What you also may find after some experimenting, is that the combination of certain foods may have been the cause of your discomfort, and when you start to eat foods in various different combinations, your discomfort may not appear.
     For most people, the easiest way to work into this new way of eating is not to worry so much about the "Beneficials", but to reduce your consumption of "Avoids". It may seem less overhwelming, and please don't feel that you have to make all the changes overnight - that would be enough to scare anybody away!
     You'll get the hang of it, and as soon as you start to feel changes - for most people, feeling better is within just a few days!!! - you'll feel the early challenges of swapping out foods is so well worth the effort, you'll forget all about the difficulties. (smile)
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, September 9, 2011, 4:14pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Sulis
it looks like I'm an A+

That means that following the BTD for A's is going to be a big challenge for me as I hate tofu and fish and I can't eat lentils or beans as they give me irritable bowel type symptoms. If I just eat veggies, within half an hour my tummy is growling.

You will still be able to eat turkey and possibly chicken for protein.  My DD makes a dish of ground turkey, black beans, mozzarella cheese, ginger, garlic and cumin.  Puts this on a bed of lettuce and tops with plain yogurt and avocado.

You may need to add ginger to beans (at least for a while) to aid digestion while the gut flora shifts to be able to handle them properly.  I always have had a problem with legumes if I take a while between eating them.

Your tastes can change as you start eating more compliant foods and find that you really don't feel that good when you eat avoids...  Although, I am still waiting for that with my DD...  She will only eat tuna in macaroni and cheese - we use rice pasta, rice flour for the white sauce base and add mozzarella cheese and the tuna.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, September 9, 2011, 8:25pm; Reply: 41
Yup, that looks like A+ to me! From the first test, I couldn't tell if you were A+ or AB+, and I'd already suspected you were one of those two types simply  because you had trouble getting enough blood to flow for the test (Bs and Os tend to have thinner blood.)

I'd definitely reccomend finding out your secretor status. If you end up being a nonnie, then you won't have so much soy as superfoods, and I think A nonnies also get lamb.

Your tastes will probably change within a few weeks of eating right, if not sooner. My daughter (type O) used to be a vegetarian; when she found out she was an O, she decided to eat beef again. At first, she treated it like medicine "I don't like it and it grosses me out but I know it's good for me so I'll eat it." After eating it a few times, she said that the cooked meat was appetizing, but the smell of raw meat and when it first starts cooking nauseated her, so she asked me to cook it while she was out and have it ready to eat by the time she came home. Then one day either she came home early or (more likely) I got dinner started late, and the meat was still cooking when she came home, yet she found it appetizing.

I'm certainly not suggesting that you eat beef-  but I'm sharing the story to show how tastes can change over time. You may feel that way about lentils or tofu.
Posted by: Sulis, Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:52pm; Reply: 42
I have a secretor test kit ready to go and will be sending it off for testing within the week :) God I hope I'm a nonnie as I love lamb and eat it about twice a week currently. I love turkey and chicken too so no problems there.

I will start by not eating any avoid foods and getting more fresh veggies into my diet, now that spring is here I find I'm craving salads. I don't do so well on wheat and grains though as they can bloat me.  I need to look at getting some supplements as well.

Thanks for all your help guys!  :)
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