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Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, August 19, 2011, 9:52pm
Reading the long "you might be a nonnie if..." thread got me wondering how many people resonate with those "nonnie traits" who are nonnies, how many resonate with those traits who are secretors, and if any nonnies don't experience the hyper-sensitivity that most of us share.
Posted by: zenphoenix, Friday, August 19, 2011, 11:09pm; Reply: 1
i had noticed the same thing ruthie.

For me, i had long suspected i was a nonnie, even before reading that thread. Decided i "needed" to know when that was the one thing that came between being a Nomad (which did not feel right) and an Explorer (which did). Got the results and confirmed what my intuition was telling me... i'm a nonnie and an explorer.

Additionally... i have been curious about idea that HSPs (Highly Sensitive Person) are nonnie's...  would be interesting be interesting to see if anyone has cross referenced the 2.

And BTW...
item  in your poll, i think should it read:

I "feel like a nonnie" but I'm a secretor.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 11:19pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from zenphoenix

Additionally... i have been curious about idea that HSPs (Highly Sensitive Person) are nonnie's...  would be interesting be interesting to see if anyone has cross referenced the 2.



earlier threads

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1214657072/
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1153033507/
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 11:22pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from zenphoenix

And BTW...
item  in your poll, i think should it read:

I "feel like a nonnie" but I'm a secretor.


I took the non out of the "I "feel like a nonnie" but [b]I'm a non-secretor." response
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 2:15am; Reply: 4
Nonnie, nonnie, nonnie...all the way home.  ;)

Debra :)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:00am; Reply: 5
Hmmm. Hope it is OK for a Secretor to post on this thread.  ;D

I figured I was a Secretor because I could not relate to the problems that the O non's on the board were into. i.e. the grains thing.

When I finally got my test done I think it was with the feeling that it was just a rubber stamp thing to confirm, officially, that I was a secretor.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:04am; Reply: 6
From how many problems I had, I thought I was a Non-Secretor, so got the test.  Found out I'm a Secretor.  I guess it was just so much abuse to my body...
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:44am; Reply: 7
Quoted from ABJoe
From how many problems I had, I thought I was a Secretor, so got the test.  Found out I'm a Secretor.  I guess it was just so much abuse to my body...


I ponder this about myself - Do I have so many problems because I am a nonnie or do I seem like a nonnie because I have so many problems?
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:58am; Reply: 8
brinyskysail in my experience, being a nonnie AND explorer must give a potentially double dose of "problems"... :-/
Posted by: bluejay, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:26am; Reply: 9
From the moment I read the nonnie description in LR4YT, I knew I was nonnie.  I was happy to be a nonnie too because my swami added back some of my favorite foods!
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Saturday, August 20, 2011, 2:18pm; Reply: 10
I had never heard about secretor status before coming to this website, and after reading some of the posts, not in the clubhouse, because I didn't even know about that, but just reading on the forum, and especially after having been described as the 'canary in the mine' by family members, I strongly suspected that I was a nonnie...and of course my test proved it. I'm also one fingerprint between a Hunter and an Explorer, as I do have a LOT of the sensitivities that Explorers have... :-/ :)
Posted by: Spazcat, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:19pm; Reply: 11
I found out I was a nonnie way back when (the test says '98, but was LR even out by then?) made sense in that the original O diet wasn't quite cutting it....although it thankfully got me out of my vegetarian stage.  I remember feeling pretty sad about the Nonnie diet at the time, probably why I searched out other stuff....and now I'm back here again!

But it all makes sense...I think most of us nonnies are just intolerant and require things to be "just so".  Secretors can handle much more variation, maybe?
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 7:45pm; Reply: 12
I knew my secretor status long before LR4YT even came out. When I read the LR book, I could relate to some of the nonnie issues. I have seen soy for A's in ER go from highly beneficial to neutral in LR to avoid in the GT Explorer diet and now that I have a SWAMI most soy foods are black dots :-/

I'm really not surprised that soy changed so much from ER to SWAMI. I never really could tolerate soy and now I know why.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 3:07am; Reply: 13
Quoted from shoulderblade
Hmmm. Hope it is OK for a Secretor to post on this thread.  ;D


Absolutely it's OK for secretors to vote and comment on this thread!

Hmm.. maybe I should have posted this is the Live Right forum instead of Nonnie Clubhouse so secretors don't avoid the thread.

C-sharp; thanks for fixing my typo. I read through the options several times before clicking "post" but I still missed it. Do you think maybe you could move this thead to more neutral territory so the other secretors feel free to vote and comment?
Posted by: Minnie777, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:09pm; Reply: 14
I was surprised that I am a nonnie.
The "you know you are a Nonnie if.." thread doesn't resonate with me for the most part. I'm definitely not a "canary in the mine"
Posted by: grey rabbit, Monday, August 22, 2011, 1:18pm; Reply: 15
I have yet to do a secretor test. I feel I am a secretor, I have none of the issues the nonnies seem to have. I did great on the BTD. I decided to go with swami because I'm just like that, curious I guess, and I love cheese (I'd been eating it anyway ::) ). I've recently discovered that the lack of soy is quite possibly why I was getting hormonal headaches (I recently ate a bunch of soy and right now in the middle of menses I have no headache, yea!). The first swami I did moved soy to neutral and since I'm not crazy about it I wasn't eating it. After tweaking swami it has moved back to SF. I've run my swami both ways, as a secretor and as a nonnie, as a nonnie the neutral meats become SF and a few other things go back and forth between SF and neutral, nearly all of the avoids stay avoids, few things move to the avoid column.

I think my oldest daughter is a nonnie, if ever I can afford it and convince her to try it, I will spend the $ for a secretor test on her :)
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, August 22, 2011, 1:27pm; Reply: 16
I assumed I was a secretor, since I really don't have any of the typical problems that nonnies seem to have.  I do have some of the traits and if I had known about the bad teeth and the heightened sense of smell, I might have guessed I was a nonnie.  Other than that, I don't have food sensitivities or digestive issues.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, August 25, 2011, 6:07pm; Reply: 17
The actual numbers keep changing as more people vote,  but the ratio seems to be staying around the same: approxiomately 75% of people guessed their secretor status correctly, based on the "you might be a nonnie if..." thread.

Of those who guessed wrong, it's far more common for secretors to have "nonnie-like health issues" than it is for nonnies to "not notice any problems" but that happens as well.

Bottom line: the "you might be a nonnie" thread is fun, but doesn't replace an actual secretor test!
Posted by: zenphoenix, Monday, August 29, 2011, 11:48pm; Reply: 18
this is really interesting...neat how the numbers are breaking down.

As Possum stated above "being a nonnie AND explorer must give a potentially double dose of "problems""... As an explorer and nonnie, i would concur with this statement, and it makes me wonder how many of the "you might be a nonnie" traits cross over/are similar to Explorer traits.

Even though being a non secretor is common to explorers, it is not 100%.. Perhaps those secretors who resonate with the nonnie thread are explorers?
Posted by: 15892 (Guest), Sunday, September 4, 2011, 1:20am; Reply: 19
I am very brand new (O+ secretor) to this and don't know if this is even the place for this post but here goes: My daughter is booked for gum surgery the end of this month. She has had receding gums since she was about four years old. She is 14 years old now and we have been putting off this gum tissue graft for quite a while.  Just on a whim, I had her blood tested. She is O+. I then did a secretor (which took half the day to get enough saliva) and she turned out to be a non-secretor.
Has anyone else experienced gum/mouth issues with your children and did the BTD help? She is also taking some supplements, doing special mouth rinses (HMF, folic acid/zinc, vit.C and some herbal tinctures) twice daily and being more meticulous with her dental hygiene. Is there anything else that she should be doing? Thanks in advance for your help!
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, September 5, 2011, 5:38am; Reply: 20
Hi Sylvia,
I find the GTD that I am  following with the SWAMI food list has helped a lot with the two pockets in my gums that have become inflammed the past two years. I did the folic acid for one month and now use a toothpaste that has the herb NEEM in it. Neem has amazing properties to kill bacteria. Also the blood type Polyflora help to introduce good probiotics into the system which benefits the whole body. I hope this helps.
Posted by: NancyEllen, Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 11:30pm; Reply: 21
Hi everyone.  I am new here.  Can someone give me the link to "you might be a nonnie if...?"  Thanks.   :)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 1:23am; Reply: 22
Quoted from NancyEllen
Hi everyone.  I am new here.  Can someone give me the link to "you might be a nonnie if...?"  Thanks.


http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-nonnie/m-1169238803/
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 1:29am; Reply: 23
Quoted from 15892
I am very brand new (O+ secretor) to this and don't know if this is even the place for this post but here goes: My daughter is booked for gum surgery the end of this month. She has had receding gums since she was about four years old. She is 14 years old now and we have been putting off this gum tissue graft for quite a while.  Just on a whim, I had her blood tested. She is O+. I then did a secretor (which took half the day to get enough saliva) and she turned out to be a non-secretor.
Has anyone else experienced gum/mouth issues with your children and did the BTD help? She is also taking some supplements, doing special mouth rinses (HMF, folic acid/zinc, vit.C and some herbal tinctures) twice daily and being more meticulous with her dental hygiene. Is there anything else that she should be doing? Thanks in advance for your help!




Ara 6 is a great supplement for gum health. Gums heal very slowly... I know some place Dr.D mentions gums and what to take for them.



Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 5:24am; Reply: 24
Quoted Text
Dr. D

tooth decay and early gum disease nonnie
Myrrh. Internally and topically.
Posted by: Green Root, Thursday, September 8, 2011, 8:30pm; Reply: 25
But what about tooth erosion? There have been some small cracks in my mouth during two years. Although I'm secretor (but love unpasteurized sauerkraut)...
Posted by: Harry O, Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:54am; Reply: 26
Yeap i knew (nonnie) as i'm a BTD-O/Hunter Geno type on steroids so to speak  ;D
Posted by: battle dwarf, Friday, September 23, 2011, 5:15pm; Reply: 27
mom and i are about to find out. she ordered us both the test and it went off in the mail this morning. i'll poll when it comes in. i gusse that i am a nonni but i will just have to wait to find out  ;)
Posted by: Vicktoria, Thursday, August 22, 2013, 10:59am; Reply: 28
I feel f***ed in both ways........ If secretor - no tomatoes, but if I'm nonnie - no white wheat, white potatoes, sugar and some cheeses - double f***ed!   I prefer to be a secretor. With the years my psoriasis symptoms and reactions become many more lesser even when I have ate pork, chicken and other junk foods.
Posted by: cat2, Thursday, August 22, 2013, 11:46am; Reply: 29
Yes, I would say I was likely to be a nonnie, given my background and how a lot of foods seem to irritate me, typical  ::)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, August 22, 2013, 1:39pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Vicktoria
I feel f***ed in both ways........ If secretor - no tomatoes, but if I'm nonnie - no white wheat, white potatoes, sugar and some cheeses - double f***ed!   I prefer to be a secretor. With the years my psoriasis symptoms and reactions become many more lesser even when I have ate pork, chicken and other junk foods.


This isn't about "which diet do you wish you could follow?" I'd personally love to be an A, to eat a meal of rice and beans and veggies and actually feel satisfied from it! But I'm not- I'm an O nonnie and I need lots of meat and veggies. I enjoy beans but they're more of a "carb" for me than a protein source.

The point of this poll was to figure out how many people could correctly guess their secretor status based on overall sensitivity to environmental factors, how strongly we react to avoids, etc. There's a huge thread "you might be a nonnie if..." (I think I linked to in in the first post of this thread?) where people discussed "typical nonnie tendencies" and I wanted to figure out if those tendencies were a good way to guess secretor status, or if it was often wrong.

Before getting my secretor results, I already knew I couldn't tolerate spelt or oats, making me think I was probably a nonnie. But I also knew I could have been a secretor with gluten issues.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, August 22, 2013, 4:01pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Vicktoria
I prefer to be a secretor. With the years my psoriasis symptoms and reactions become many more lesser even when I have ate pork, chicken and other junk foods.

This really isn't about which you'd rather be...  It is about learning what you are so you can eat to:
1) BTD - conform the body to the genes;
2) GTD - change the genetic responses to maintain a healthier body, based on the phenotypic characteristics.

When I started, I needed to replace some 90% of my diet.  It has made a huge difference, so all I can suggest is to "Just Do It!", rather than feeling sorry for yourself...
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, August 22, 2013, 4:24pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Vicktoria
I feel f***ed in both ways........ If secretor - no tomatoes, but if I'm nonnie - no white wheat, white potatoes, sugar and some cheeses - double f***ed!   I prefer to be a secretor. With the years my psoriasis symptoms and reactions become many more lesser even when I have ate pork, chicken and other junk foods.


Vicktoria, if I may chime in (not to be confused with "pile on"),  think about what you're gaining...  the knowledge and tools to change your life. Unhealthy eating habits are a small sacrifice. And as many have previously stated, easy to accommodate as your body rewards you in profound ways.

You'll learn to love the foods that love you back.

Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, August 23, 2013, 12:17pm; Reply: 33
I haven't gotten the secretor test yet.  I'd be interested in knowing  what percentage of explorers are nonnies.
Posted by: walk_the_walk, Friday, August 23, 2013, 4:26pm; Reply: 34
I just found out this afternoon that I'm a Nonnie - it didn't surprise me at all...when Tom Greenfield confirmed it, my reply was .."I knew I was a Nonnie. Thank you!"

A few weeks ago I stumbled across a thread called "You might be a Nonnie  if..." which was so hilarious because I really related to many of the issues in the posts from other Nonnies. Added to that, Dr. D states that Gatherers are often Nonnies (GTD Pg 128 - Biochemical). And the Gatherer food lists are quite similar to the Nonnie modifications in LR4YT and the Diabetes mini book

I started GTD on 23rd May '13 and have lost 22lbs - everyone who knows me comments on how great I'm looking - and I'm FEELING awesome - energy is up, and grazing on Diamonds and Bennies, wine not outlawed, sleeping really well, BM's much better than pre GTD, blood pressure is down, blood sugar spikes are gone - I have absolutely nothing to complain about, and I don't see being a Nonnie as a disadvantage - in fact, I feel rather SPECIAL...
Posted by: Averno, Friday, August 23, 2013, 5:12pm; Reply: 35

Sometimes I feel that being a nonnie offers us a clearer window into our wellness status, for better or for worse. Receiving such strong messages promotes (demands) a higher degree of health maintenance that, thankfully, gratefully, is accessable due to Dr. D.'s work.
Posted by: Seraffa, Friday, August 23, 2013, 5:22pm; Reply: 36
I couldn't vote because I knew I was a nonnie, didn't order a secretor test, and got SWAMI done for "nonnie" instead. "SWAMI for Nonnie wurkz 4 me!" 8)
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