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Posted by: Frances AB, Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:06pm
I am hoping that somebody out there may be able to give me some useful advice about SWAMI and ankylosing spondylitis.

I started doing the original BTD about 10 or 11 years ago, progressed on to Genotype and have been virtually 100% compliant with my SWAMI professional diet plan for nearly 2 years now.

However, I have certain symptoms that have got markedly worse over this time – bloating, fibromyalgia (started about 4 or 5 years ago), low blood sugar, fatigue and Inflammation (even though I have an anti-inflammation filter on my diet plan). I recently had blood test results that were high for thyroid and liver & bone function. I have puffy white bags under my eyes and dark circles.

I have persisted with BTD because I know that it is at least on the right track and I feel worse if I don’t stick to it. Every now and then I try one of my inflammatory foods eg chicken and I get an aggravation.

Other info:  I also have a filter on my SWAMI plan for bacterial overgrowth, which has limited my intake of grains and I’m pretty sure that I have a problem with cow’s dairy, which features quite heavily on my plan.

More recently I have been reading about SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth)and bowel problems generally being associated with AS and other autoimmune conditions, also about the link with klebsiella bacteria.

As a result, I have tried to incorporate various low-starch diets with SWAMI – GAPS, SCD , Paleo, Urban Caveman and even the London diet for ankylosing spondylitis, which is very low starch indeed.

When I eat a low-starch diet most of my symptoms improve but I lose far too much weight (I’m always a bit thin) and I feel very demoralised about eating such a limited diet.  As I am a Teacher, my SWAMI plan isn’t very compatible with a low-carb diet - grains are a fairly important part of it (Dr D explains why in the book), as is tofu, and my meat & poultry intake is relatively minor, only lamb and turkey.  I have a variety of beneficial fish but many of them are American (I’m UK) and I’m a bit concerned about the supposed high mercury content of many of them.

Most supplements that I have taken have made no difference or made me feel worse, apart from turmeric, ionic magnesium and omega-3 fish oils – when I’ve experimented with stopping these I get a lot of muscle cramps and more inflammation. When I took anti-fungal herbs, eg oregano oil, and probiotics for the bacterial overgrowth, I got very raised liver enzymes and felt terrible.

I have come across a couple of bloggers who are combining one of the low-carb diets with BTD but they are blood type O and so it’s not such a big deal for them.

I would be very grateful for any insights/tips/ideas, thank you.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:32pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from Frances AB
I am hoping that somebody out there may be able to give me some useful advice about SWAMI and ankylosing spondylitis.

I started doing the original BTD about 10 or 11 years ago, progressed on to Genotype and have been virtually 100% compliant with my SWAMI professional diet plan for nearly 2 years now.


You indicate that you have SWAMI professional, so you may want to consult with your practitioner
and make sure they understand Ankylosing spondylitis and through all the switches appropriate for treating this condition.
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However, I have certain symptoms that have got markedly worse over this time – bloating, fibromyalgia (started about 4 or 5 years ago), low blood sugar, fatigue and Inflammation (even though I have an anti-inflammation filter on my diet plan).

I recently had blood test results that were high for thyroid and liver & bone function. I have puffy white bags under my eyes and dark circles.
Be sure the practitioner knows about all your conditions and your family history.

Also numbers from tests or knowledge of any SNPs.

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I’m pretty sure that I have a problem with cow’s dairy, which features quite heavily on my plan.
The practitioner can deemphasize foods containing lactose. This will reduce (not eliminate dairy), even if you are not lactose intolerant.
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More recently I have been reading about SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth)and bowel problems generally being associated with AS and other autoimmune conditions, also about the link with klebsiella bacteria.

As a result, I have tried to incorporate various low-starch diets with SWAMI – GAPS, SCD , Paleo, Urban Caveman and even the London diet for ankylosing spondylitis, which is very low starch indeed.
The practitioner can set SWAMI GenoType to strongly deemphasize starch if desired
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When I eat a low-starch diet most of my symptoms improve but I lose far too much weight (I’m always a bit thin) and I feel very demoralised about eating such a limited diet.  As I am a Teacher, my SWAMI plan isn’t very compatible with a low-carb diet - grains are a fairly important part of it (Dr D explains why in the book), as is tofu, and my meat & poultry intake is relatively minor, only lamb and turkey.  I have a variety of beneficial fish but many of them are American (I’m UK) and I’m a bit concerned about the supposed high mercury content of many of them.
Have practitioner set SWAMI to UK vernacular to get food names more commonly used in the UK.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:48pm; Reply: 2
I see you tried Paleo - did you adhere strictly by avoiding all grains?  I had the same symptoms as you (bloating, inflammation, blood sugar problems, fatigue, etc.  Actually the blood sugar crashes were why I tried a grain-free diet; it had gotten to the point that I wasn't even able to stand up to wash the dishes after eating because my blood sugar would drop so low), and I discovered that it was being caused by all and any grains including corn (even psuedograins seem to affect it).  From the very first day of eating grain-free it has been amazing.  I am not totally better, though - still treating myself for sibo.  Although it's a slow process, when I look into the past, I'm amazed at how much better I am now.

Anyway, I don't know if grains are an issue for you, but I thought I'd share since the symptoms were the same.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 8:06pm; Reply: 3
One thing to note is that D'Adamo uses a nonstandard definition of a carbohydrate.

So teachers can get D'Adamo carbohydrate servings using Flaxseed Bread, Larch Fiber, Lentil Flour, Dahl, and Papadams, without using any grains.  These foods will not count as carbohydrates in most other diet systems.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 19, 2011, 8:59pm; Reply: 4
my brother has kept his AS at bay using the appropriate exercise techniques recommended for this particular condition, besides following his swami nutrigenomic approach and supplementation.
Posted by: Frances AB, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 9:28am; Reply: 5
Thank you very much for your replies, C-Sharp, brinyskysail and Lola.

Lola, interesting that your brother has AS too. I have done my exercises rigororously twice a day for 30 years and they relieve stiffness and keep everything as mobile as possible. I actually had almost no pain for a very long time after the first few v painful years, but inflammation started again a few years ago.

My reason for starting BTD wasn't inflammation, because it wasn't a problem at that time, it was because of bloating and fatigue.

Re grains and starch, I've stopped all grains, root veg, beans and lentils because they exacerbate the bloating. Whole flaxseeds actually cause me pain, even when soaked. They don't if I have them sprouted or ground and soaked, but they seem to make me constipated (I know that they're supposed to have the opposite effect), so I don't take them any more.

Research has shown an association between AS and an overgrowth of klebsiella association (Prof Alan Ebringer) and this is the basis of the London AS low-starch diet ie exclusion, not only of all grains, but also root veg, pulses, starchy veg in general. This diet seems to suit a lot of people with AS and I suspect that those whom it doesn't suit are of a genotype that, in other respects, need more carbs and who can't handle the realtively large quantities of meat/poultry, or for whom chicken is inflammatory ie ME.

Yes, I think it's probably a good idea to ask for a re-run of my SWAMI program as this will give me a wider choice of foods to eat. But what bothers me is that I feel that I'm not really eating the balance of foods that's right for my type. Metabolically, I think that I do in fact need grains, beans and lentils but my digestive system doesn't seem to tolerate them, and I'm eating an excess of "flesh" foods, which doesn't really suit me. Despite strict adherence to my diet plan I still have white lines on my fingerprints and my symptoms tell me that my gut isn't happy.

It would be useful to know whether this need to avoid starch could be a temporary measure so that I'd be able to reinstate my full SWAMI diet at some point.

Many thanks again for your help. And brinyskysail, I'm glad that Paleo is working for you, it's always good to get positive feedback.

BTW, I meant to post this thread on the SWAMI express board, don't know how I managed to get here instead. Is it possible to move me please? Thank you.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 1:48pm; Reply: 6
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Yes, I think it's probably a good idea to ask for a re-run of my SWAMI program as this will give me a wider choice of foods to eat. But what bothers me is that I feel that I'm not really eating the balance of foods that's right for my type. Metabolically, I think that I do in fact need grains, beans and lentils but my digestive system doesn't seem to tolerate them, and I'm eating an excess of "flesh" foods, which doesn't really suit me. Despite strict adherence to my diet plan I still have white lines on my fingerprints and my symptoms tell me that my gut isn't happy.


I have the Swamixpress.. I was told it is the same as the professional version... just that I can not use it for others.. If there is on advantage for either I would like to hear about that..

But to address what you are looking for, I might suggest that there are many ways of cooking things.. and POSSIBLY that would be a thing to look into??

Like some beans ought to be soaked over night?? I don't really know much about it as I do not eat them or at least never go the effort of cooking them for me.. BUT my suggestion might still be worth looking into..

Nuts that are soaked in salt water seems to soften them in some way it changes the texture and might make a difference in digestion..  

I think fruit, berries, might have to be cooked rather then eaten raw.

Maybe blanched vegetables might also be in order. I learned a lesson by cooking asparagus recently for just half time sort of 'al dente' only to find that in that state they are very bitter.. later by fully cook them they became 'sweet'.

Another sort of education I had recently, is that I could have Quark cheese,-- I had it once in childhood so its nostalgic for me - nothing to do with reality of today)  BUT now I find that there are two ways of making quark.. I have always felt that dairy cream does me little if any harm (in ice cream so long as it is not made with milk) .. So making quark with cream is my preferred way.. But other recipes call for other types of milk, and even some with skim milk.. so rather then making on error, my inclination is not to make any! Sad.. because if I would make either, and just take a risk, at one being better then the other, I would know in a few days-- yet I could add it to salad dressing, sauces, on fruit or veggies and who knows even make it replacing sweet ice cream???

I wonder if all such cooking or ingredient differences could make a difference in the way (you, me or some ) people ought eat?

I have nothing to go by with, (I cook in quick and limited steam quick fashion for me alone) but there is where the food lists sort of leave a gap.. (in fairness with out it the books would be the size of the NY telephone books..)  but among us here maybe it would pay to talk about such differences.  

I could imagine some foods that pile on pounds if cooked 'wrongly' might affect stomach issues or weight, where cooked some other way it might not do it the same way????

One more way that I would bring foods to a sick or weak person is to strain it, or in the case of vegetables-  juices them, thus increasing the value by many times..

By comparison eating fruit whole is supposed to be best..  

Another thing that is better understood in other cultures, eating foods at different times of day.. rather then the American way.. this stemming from time of day when the liver is most active, or foods that affect the kidneys and broken sleep going to the bathroom ever hour..

As you see I have many questions and few answers..

What kind of treatments have you done so far for your condition? I would like to congratulate you for the years of success you seem to have 'wrangled' out for your health..

are you new here? if yes.. welcome..    
Posted by: Frances AB, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:28pm; Reply: 7
Thank you Goldie, for taking the time to write such all of that. I'm not new, but thank you for the welcome anyway. I haven't posted for ages, mainly because I was planning to report back on my SWAMI success but my experience probably doesn't sound very positive so far and I didn't want to discourage new people. I'm aware that sometimes people are looking for a magical fix and don't take into account that their individual health issues may require a more nuanced approach.

Yes, I have investigated all the things you mention, such as ways of cooking and preparing food, times of day etc. Have you read Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions? It's very interesting and I was very excited at the possibility that more traditional methods of food preparation, such as soaking, fermenting, sprouting, long slow cooking etc, would make the difference for me and allow me to eat my beneficial grains and beans, but sadly it didn't. I gave it a really long go but I was still just as bloated and tired. I also have Paul Pitchford's Healing with Wholefoods, which is a wonderful book, but again, it didn't really help. The only thing that seems to make a big difference is low-starch, and even then I'm still sometimes bloated by the time I go to bed. But at least I'm fine for most of the day and don't wake up already bloated and uncomfortable.

It's very frustrating for me as I would very much like to be able to just eat what's on my SWAMI beneficial list.

Right now I'm in the process of making my first batch of goat's milk yoghurt, made from biodynamic organic yoghurt and being fermented for 24 hours, as opposed to the 4 hrs that most commercial yoghurts apparently get. This is according to advice on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and the GAPS diet - it causes most of the lactose to be consumed by the bacteria.

I realise that what I have to do is heal my gut. I assumed that just doing SWAMI would be enough to do the trick, but apparently not so. According to the SCD and GAPS, and also Nourishing Traditions/WAPF (Weston A Price Foundation), bone broth and gelatine are very healing for the gut, but they are both avoids for me. Shame, because I really love them.

I really appreciate your (and others') ideas. I'm sure that I'll crack this problem and I really like to share knowledge. There are various nutritional approaches out there and a lot of interesting information to be gleaned, even if the diets themselves aren't universally applicable as their proponents claim them to be eg we should ALL be vegan or ALL eat only meat or ALL be grain-free or dairy-free.  

Re SWAMI Express, I assumed that it was different from the professional version and that you couldn't apply filters, am I wrong then? I went to see a practitioner partly because I kept making a mess of doing my measurements and was constantly changing Genotypes (I've been a Nomad and an Explorer as well as a Teacher). Also because I felt that I needed a bit of expertise about the AS.

Thank you again.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 4:30pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Frances AB
Re SWAMI Express, I assumed that it was different from the professional version and that you couldn't apply filters, am I wrong then? I went to see a practitioner partly because I kept making a mess of doing my measurements and was constantly changing Genotypes (I've been a Nomad and an Explorer as well as a Teacher). Also because I felt that I needed a bit of expertise about the AS.


Some filters are the same in SWAMI Xpress as in SWAMI GeonType (what you are calling professional).  Most filters are removed from the Xpress version to avoid confusing users unfamilar with different settings. Set incorrectly the filters will result in an undesirable diet plan.

Posted by: Frances AB, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 5:06pm; Reply: 9
Thank you for that explanation C_Sharp. I'll contact my practitioner.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:01pm; Reply: 10
my brother has the right starch and carbs for his gt swami

but as soon as he ingests avoids, he is in for trouble


revise your diet and guidelines, and up your compliance, it does help enormously!
Posted by: Frances AB, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:20pm; Reply: 11
Hi Lola, Thank you again.

I'm not sure there's anywhere for me to go with this within my SWAMI plan, as I seem to have problems with all of my beneficial grains and beans. Quinoa is probably the least bad but the bloating is bad. Rice increases the fibromyalgia enormously. I haven't eaten wheat/buckwheat/corn since I started over 10 years ago.

And I really can't up my compliance as it is almost 100% over a period of years - I have only ever very rarely veered from the plan when I've deliberately experimented with chicken or beef whilst doing SCD/GAPS. But I've been doing this for ages and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've eaten an avoid. I make all my own food from scratch at home, no processed foods at all and all my friends and family just cook me simple compliant foods, so nothing ever creeps in.

That's why I'm not sure what to do now.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:31pm; Reply: 12
You mentioned SIBO, do you think you have it?  That could definitely explain the bloating.  SIBO can cause gas not just from sugar and starchy/carby foods but from any poorly digestible food, like some vegetables and nuts.  It could also cause fructmal which would lead to lots of vegetables, all fruit, many sweeteners and artificial sweeteners, and some grains causing gas.  SIBO/fructmal can also be implicated in other things like fibromyalgia and depression.  Just a thought - wishing you the best of health!
Posted by: Frances AB, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 8:26pm; Reply: 13
Thank you brinyskysail.

I did a lactulose test with my BTD practitioner that did show some degree of bacterial overgrowth, about 2 years ago. I was getting more bloated than usual and that's why he applied the bacterial overgrowth filter, which removed many of my previously beneficial grains but still left quinoa and rice. However, the fibromyalgia, fatigue and bloating continued to get much worse until I removed almost all carbs a few months ago. He didn't use the term SIBO, I just realised that this was a possibility from doing internet research, and you've summed it up pretty well.

The question for me is whether I can get rid of the SIBO and return to the full SWAMI plan as I'm managing by complying with the avoids and eating as many beneficials as possible, apart from the grains, beans and starchy veg eg sweet potato, which unfortunately feature quite largely on my beneficials/anti-inflammatory list.

I'd be very interested in hearing from anyone who has had a similar experience ie finding they have to eat a diet that doesn't fit their type in terms of balance.  
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 9:17pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Frances AB

I'd be very interested in hearing from anyone who has had a similar experience ie finding they have to eat a diet that doesn't fit their type in terms of balance.  


That'd be me.  With fructmal and a grain intolerance I follow a high fat, high protein, fruit-free paleo diet, none of which makes sense for a Type A, but it's the only way I can manage.  I just avoid avoids while eating what I can from neutrals and beneficials.  It's a little strange, I guess, in terms of balance of food groups, but it's either eat the way I do, eat foods that make me feel horrible, or don't eat at all.  (I wish I could learn to photosynthesize LOL ;))  Right now I feel better than I have in the past 4 years (which is when I first really began having problems) so I guess I'm doing something right...
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 9:55pm; Reply: 15
work on the bacterial OG first and then go back to your swami

there s a yeast fungus protocol
also read about bio films
http://www.4yourtype.com/herbs_biofilm.asp
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP048
Posted by: Frances AB, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 7:46am; Reply: 16
Thank you Lola and Brinyskysail.

My big hope is that I can heal my gut and return to my full SWAMI plan. Everything that I read about SIBO is a bit discouraging ie that it takes ages to shift and that it can come back quite easily when carbs are resumed. As it got progressively worse over a couple of years even though I was eating only beneficial carbs with the bacterial overgrowth filter applied, I wonder whether this may mean that I won't be able to return to full SWAMI.  

Brinyskysail, I'm sorry that you're also in the same situation as me but, selfishly, it's also a bit of a relief to find someone who is attempting a hybrid diet. Most people that I know are pretty sceptical about BTD/SWAMI in the first place and I'm constantly getting advice from people about the foolhardiness of trying to adhere to two diet regimes that combine to restrict me even further.

I suppose that if I ask my practitioner to rerun SWAMI I'll know which are the least bad meat options that will expand my repertoire eg rabbit, so it's not just lamb and turkey.

I actually really like lamb and turkey, but organic turkey only seems to be available at Christmas and sometimes at Easter.

Do you concern yourself much about the mercury content of fish and other pollutants eg PCBs? I stick mainly to salmon, sardines, mackerel and cod, with occasional other beneficials, and I eat a lot of eggs.

Unlike Paleo, the SCD and GAPS diets allow certain beans and lentils if they're prepared correctly (very long soaking, fermentation and cooking). It doesn't work for me right now but maybe it will when the SIBO has gone.

I'm about to have another go with digestive enzymes for starch (Zycarb). Didn't feel good on them the first time I tried but that was when I was also taking Hydrozyme for low stomach acid, so I'm going to do them individually for a while.

Thank you so much for all your helpful suggestions.

  
Posted by: Frances AB, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 3:42pm; Reply: 17
Thank you for moving this.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, August 22, 2011, 2:11am; Reply: 18
Are you allowed bone broth made from the bones of beneficial or neutral animals? If beef is an avoid, I can see why beef  bone broth would be problematic. But what about turkey broth?
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 10:27am; Reply: 19
Hello ruthiegirl, thank you.

No, sadly. Bone broth, even from beneficial meats ie lamb and turkey, are on my avoid list. It's a bit frustrating as they are highly recommended for gut healing generally and also delicious!

I've tried various supplements that are supposed to be healing for the gut and they've just made me worse.

When I was originally doing the AB diet in the first few years I was eating some foods on my beneficial list that turned out to be avoids when I switched to SWAMI eg tomatoes, so I could understand why my symptoms had got worse at that point, but, even though I don't expect diet alone to necessarily be the whole answer, I assumed that that I would at least stabilise on SWAMI.

It seems that what I needed all along was to stop the carbs, and whilst I could cut them out quite easily without cravings, I do have a sense that my SWAMI diet is more "me" than the Paleo/Urban Caveman/SCD/GAPS diets - I'm not really very carniverous!

Anyway, I've emailed my practitioner about re-running SWAMI, so it will be interesting to see what shows up.

Thank you again.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, August 22, 2011, 12:23pm; Reply: 20
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I'm not sure there's anywhere for me to go with this within my SWAMI plan, as I seem to have problems with all of my beneficial grains and beans. Quinoa is probably the least bad but the bloating is bad. Rice increases the fibromyalgia enormously. I haven't eaten wheat/buckwheat/corn since I started over 10 years ago.


... why even type those words?? Who knows how ill you would be without eating that way... but for me starches in grains are not worth the issues.. so I avoid them.. and would just add them if I MUST..


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And I really can't up my compliance as it is almost 100% over a period of years - I have only ever very rarely veered from the plan when I've deliberately experimented with chicken or beef whilst doing SCD/GAPS. But I've been doing this for ages and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've eaten an avoid. I make all my own food from scratch at home, no processed foods at all and all my friends and family just cook me simple compliant foods, so nothing ever creeps in.


YOU MIGHT Need to ADD foods you have never tried before yet are listed on Swami..
That's why I'm not sure what to do now.  what are the options you can tick?  is the issue inflammation? or heart related, or enzyme related.. Look at the list again and THINK of what MIGHT be the underling factors involved in every question? IT not just the word used but the stuff behind the word.. then tick of and see what will happen and if in 3 month it is not showing as feeling better then go back and tick off differently..

Then if you are 100% compliant, is it possible that you are toooooo compliant?? (other then for grains) maybe you need to add foods fats and other things just so as not to make the body be tooooo pure.. and lose its ABILITY to react to food based stressors??   I think just a little here and there of impurity might not be the worst thing??????? DO others agree here????  
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, August 22, 2011, 1:10pm; Reply: 21
Some A or even AB folks can be explorer GT's.  The explorer foods are higher in protein and not as many carbs and grains.  In fact, it is dairy, grains and carbs that can be toxins and trigger inflammation in explorers, along with other things like too much caffeine and drugs/medicines (they linger around and make you feel like a waste dump).

In the BTD book, i would have been better off following the O type foods than the A type foods...most of them anyway.  Before the GTD, I identified with both the A and the O stuff.  

The explorer foods work very well with me, and it was more or less what i always liked anyway...i never could eat fatty meats, but love lean meats like lamb, turkey, etc.  All the veggies for explorers i like.

But explorers can have some carbs, and we all need them.  I do well with some breads, usually the whiter the better.  Whiter breads have more of the allergen inducing grain stuff taken out.
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 1:31pm; Reply: 22
Hi Goldie, thank you for your interesting post.

I don't know how to display selected extracts from a previous post, is it just cut and paste - please excuse my ignorance.

I get the impression that maybe my post wasn't clear.

Re "nowhere to go within my SWAMI plan", the reason I typed those words is because they are a reference specifically to grains and beans, in response to Lola's post about her brother's being ok if he sticks to the recommended starches and being not ok if he eats avoid starches. I've tried eating all of my beneficial starches, in combination, in isolation and prepared and cooked in different ways, and I don't seem to be digesting them whatever. That's why I think that, at present anyway, there is nowhere for me to go with them (beneficial starches) in my SWAMI plan.

I most certainly wasn't referring to my SWAMI plan in general as I am sticking to it, apart from the starches, precisely because I think that that's what keeping me as healthy as I am. So when you say "Who knows how ill you would be without eating that way" I totally agree with you, and this is my response when friends and family are critical of my adherence to the diet despite the worsening symptoms.

As I said, I don't have  a huge problem in not eating the starches as such, but excluding them means that I'm not eating the balance of foods prescribed by my SWAMI plan and my SWAMI plan is what feels right for me, if only I could digest the starches.

My approach to the BTD has always been that it's not just a collection of beneficials and avoids, the balance is also important - in the Genotype book, Dr D explains why the grains are important for the metabolic balance of my type.  

So I feel that I'm not really eating right for my type even though I'm sticking to my avoids and beneficials. My SWAMI plan always felt perfect for me - some meat, more fish, some dairy, quite a lot of beans/lentils and grains, it's how I would choose to eat anyway.  

Your comment about being too rigorous is really interesting though. I've always been compliant because I've worked very hard at keeping myself healthy despite having an autoimmune condition, maybe it would have been better to have allowed a few avoids. But there have been times when I've eaten them by accident and really felt it, notably hidden cornstarch and haddock instead of cod.

Re eating the different foods on my SWAMI list, I do that already pretty much with the fruit and veg, less so with the fish and some things that just aren't available in the UK. My issue is inflammation, that's why I have the anti-inflammatory filter on, and I certainly eat nearly all of the anti-inflammatory foods. Maybe it's worth paying attention to the neutrals a bit more.

Thank you again, it's useful to have some food for thought.
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 23
Hello Easy E, just spotted your post.

Funnily enough, when I was trying very ineptly, I think, to work out my Genotype, I did come out as an Explorer and was doing that diet for a while. My energy wasn't great but I wasn't so bloated and it felt like a diet that I could live with. Then my husband measured me again and I was a Nomad, then a Teacher, then I decided to go for SWAMI and went to a practitioner and was a Teacher!

Maybe I should ask my practitioner to doublecheck my measurements? It sounds really pathetic to be so bad at it myself but  we were particularly and laughably awful at things that sound so easy, like measuring the fingers accurately and taking our fingerprints.

Your comment about the white bread is interesting. I find that I'm much better with white rice than brown even though brown is a beneficial and white a neutral.

Thank you.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, August 22, 2011, 2:31pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Frances AB
I've tried various supplements that are supposed to be healing for the gut and they've just made me worse.


Worse how? Sometimes  gut healing can be very uncomfortable, causing a temporary increase in gas, bloating, constipation and/or diarhea, along with whole-body effects such as fatigue and overall pain.
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 3:36pm; Reply: 25
Hello Ruthiegirl, all of the above, very soon after starting them, which inclines me to think that it was a reaction to them rather than the healing process. I usually finished a bottle or course, to try and give them a fair go. In the case of Arabingalactans I took it for months and got progressively worse. But at the time I was still eating grains and beans so maybe that was clouding things.

I know that it can be hard to assess whether an aggravation of symptoms is a genuine worsening or a healing effect. I used to be a homoeopath and have had a fair bit of homoepathic treatment myself so I'm aware of the issue.

When I stopped grains and beans I went cold turkey, excuse the joke. I didn't experience any cravings or discomfort, as I'd been warned I might, I just felt better almost instantly.

So if it's just a matter of sticking to low-carb for a while, until my gut heals itself, that would be fine by me, even if it's slower progress than when taking a supplement, because at least I'm not debilitated to the point where it's hard to live my life.

But my aim is to resume full SWAMI when I'm ready, so it would be great to know if there's anyone who has had a similar experience and been able to resume eating grains, beans etc.

Are there any supplements that you would recommend?
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 22, 2011, 3:48pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Frances AB
Your comment about the white bread is interesting. I find that I'm much better with white rice than brown even though brown is a beneficial and white a neutral.

It sounds like the brown rice is causing a "healing crisis".  It is probably doing more good, but the good is symptomatic, whereas the white is just digesting, but not causing the healing symptoms...  Frankly, I know I still need to heal more, so I welcome symptoms that indicate that healing is happening.

As I shared in another thread, quite often it is difficult to know whether the symptoms you are feeling are due to the food causing healing or a sensitivity type reaction...  I have come to the conclusion that I need to trust the Beneficial or Superfood status initially and let the symptoms run for up to three weeks...  Since I have been doing this for several years, I can quite often tell the difference within several days, but not always.  I quite often will limit the amount of a new food to a symptoms level I can tolerate and moderate up or down as the symptoms allow until I can eat whatever amount I want or an inflammatory response becomes unbearable.
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 4:23pm; Reply: 27
Hello ABJoe

I really wish that I could think of brown rice as healing because I love it and it was my main grain for years, most of my adult life in fact.

I was still eating it when I started to get fibromayalgia, about 5 years ago. At that point I was also getting crippling fatigue and a lot of pain around the ileocaecal valve. A practitioner suggested that I switch to quinoa, mainly to deal with the fatigue. I don't think that the switch made any difference in that respect but I suddenly realised after a few weeks that the fibromyalgia had gone.

So I experimented for a while with rotating grains and came to the conclusion that they all gave me bloating and fatigue and that the fibromyalgia returned most markedly as soon as I ate brown rice.

I've never eaten enough white rice to know whether it would also eventually cause the fibromyalgia to return but I seem to be able to get away with a small amount and not get pain, just the usual bloating and fatigue.

I agree about how tricky it can be to assess what a food is doing, but it seems logical in the case of my brown rice experience (ie ate it for years and felt better when I stopped) that it's connected to the fibromyalgia, not in a positive way.

There are so many variable factors though. Undoubtedly, when I'm generally feeling ok, my tolerance for certain foods is much higher.

It's always interesting to hear from other people who are managing inflammation, thank you for sharing that info, especially on the way in which you introduce foods. I find that I have to allow about 5 days before I know for sure what effect a food will have. At one point I suddenly went through a phase (that then changed just as abruptly) when I could virtually set my clock by getting a cold sore exactly 5 days after eating spelt.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 22, 2011, 4:58pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Frances AB
Hello ABJoe

I really wish that I could think of brown rice as healing because I love it and it was my main grain for years, most of my adult life in fact.

I was still eating it when I started to get fibromayalgia, about 5 years ago. At that point I was also getting crippling fatigue and a lot of pain around the ileocaecal valve. A practitioner suggested that I switch to quinoa, mainly to deal with the fatigue. I don't think that the switch made any difference in that respect but I suddenly realised after a few weeks that the fibromyalgia had gone.

In this case, I would highly suspect the brown rice as well.  This would only be tempered by a possibility that 1) significant other changes took place at the about the same time; or 2) other toxins in the diet changed how the brown rice was affecting you system.  If either of these have any merit, you may attempt to re-introduce brown rice after significant healing has taken place, unless you are happy with your current diet and find no real need / desire for the rice.
Posted by: Frances AB, Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:05pm; Reply: 29
Thank you ABJoe. Yes, I'll definitely start off with brown rice after I feel that my gut has healed. Probably best to just have a tiny bit then wait a while, then introduce it very gradually. Also, I'll prepare it as per Nourishing Tradiotions, giving it a long soaking in lemon juice.

Actually, that raises a question. In all this Nourishing Traditions/Weston A Price stuff, there is great emphasis on neutralising phytic acid, as it is an anti-nutrient, but I'm sure that Dr D says that my type benfits from the phytic acid.

It's all quite complex and what I like about BTD is that it addresses our individuality rather than making blanket prescriptions based on the idea of universally healthy and unhealthy foods.
Posted by: yvonneb, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:03pm; Reply: 30
Hi Frances AB!

Curious to see an update  :)

Did you get remeasured?
Did the SWAMI get reset by your practitioner?

How are you now?

I have a young friend who got diagnosed with AS. I'd like to send him to a practitioner that does SWAMI pro (they live in Arizona, Texas).
All his family are new to 'all of this' - I would like to start them off in a way that is not too 'far out' for them.

Suggestions very welcome!


Posted by: Seraffa, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 2:43am; Reply: 31
I'm sorry I weighed in so late on this thread but I agree with the others, esp. if you purchased a Professional SWAMI

I never get AS anymore in my back unless I have eaten straight sugar along with a non-compliant, or a GMO starch!

But the thing is to also address that thyroid and liver function with your physician.  If there's an imbalance somewhere in the body like that that has to be temporarily treated with "drugs" to bring levels down, please do it for the short term because of the other physical discomforts and emotional changes associated with thyroid and liver disorders. Short term. And please get a proper mattress, supportive shoes...anything that will help your muscle/skeletal structure depending on where the AS affects you. I know how badly it affects the nerves.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 9:24am; Reply: 32
I just came back here.. the way to make those boxes the way I did is not the best way, it does not show who typed it.. others are doing them correctly.. but for me, there is a box while typing that looks like a typed sheet of paper with a box around it..  copy first then hit that box and voilà:
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ankylosing spondylitis and low-carb diets


Frances AB: I am going to address this one more time.. KNOWING not much about your geno type...
and now I see I can not tell your blood type either.. it has a red X in a box there.. (DO others have the same ???    

BUT my guts tells me that at your age, "ankylosing spondylitis and low-carb diets" deserves more considerations..    

First-of: Where do you live?.. it might matter in the advise you could get .. some things are available in some Countries, and not in others.  

Frances AB: Is your diagnosis getting worse or is progress halted?  Is it compressing in one specific place or the whole spine?   and, is it bothering you in debilitating pain?   or just age related? I will PM you.. look way above on this thread you will see a connection for you to click on, under private messages.

The part about low carb is for me understandable, I am O, yet in your diet maybe have you tested some foods made of beef bones?  there are some who would say that the gel from such bones should be used to provide nutrients to bone and tissue.  My grandma used that broth for all liquids needed in her cooking all week and made new broth every Saturday.  She carried a big suitcase (without wheels) all over town every day selling beautiful embroidered clothing into her old age..

Low carb? and most likely low meat? would seem restrictive to me.  I honor what your best experience has developed over your lifetime, eat the foods you think best.. yet: I wonder what do you eat? Do you even eat enough?  do you eat for the body as a whole or only with your condition in mind?  I wonder if you restrict your food intake just a little to much? out of fear to hurt or do damage.  

What else have you done for your 'condition'?  when did you discover it? HOW did you deal with it emotionally?  I think it matters how we deal with a 'diagnosis'.  do we take it with a grain of salt, and live with what life presents, or should we try and change the genetic 'destiny' ..   Both has its place.  but the emotions connected can make a big difference.. fear is a terrible experience.  It can constrict free movement and by that, constrict living.

I am sorry if I am seemingly all over the place here, but the body is connected.  Maybe there are some other things you can do along side your diet..

Tell me please, is Low carb maybe also LOW fat????  maybe way low? I would just be famished-I am O.  ;D  
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