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Posted by: Patty H, Friday, August 19, 2011, 3:09pm
I tested super high for lead toxicity - three times the upper expected limits.  Does anyone have any experience with lead detox?  :o
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, August 19, 2011, 3:29pm; Reply: 1
YES the health department coming to see where you are getting it from..

also, there are questions of what jewelery you might be wearing..

how did you do the test? hair or blood? did you ever do the same test before and do you have a base line for it?  I might do any such test twice just to make sure..

As for detox. start with 100% compliance.. that will heal the part of the body that HOLDS on to the lead..

Look at these.. http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/9.html  interesting  

If there is no lead protocol, I would email DrD's clinic and ask them what to get in terms of sups form DPN.. I think there are some prohibitions to do it to fast or to slow, but none would be better then stop future exposer to lead..

Garage fumes, car truck exhausts, driving behind a big truck for more then on hour can cause such things.. There was a movie about 'laughing to get healthy' the name evades me.. BUT in that movie Mr Cousins did intravenus therapy..  its on old movie.. but it should build hope..

Today lead is much better understood.. the health department will know much about it.. at least I hope so.. all the best..   did you google it?

What about others in the family are they lead overloaded also?    
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 4:07pm; Reply: 2
If you are serious about detoxing the lead tan you probably need to do either intervenous chelation or suppositories.

Detoxamin is the most common brand name suppository.

http://www.detoxamin.com/

Cheaper suppository brands exist.

I have used detoxamin, that I bought in Canada to get better prices.
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If you just want to play with herbs here are some common ones that people try:

Herbs:


aloe vera
Cilantro
garlic
Ginger
Green tea
Silibinin/silymarin/milk thistle


Vitamins/minerals/amino acids:

vitamins A, C, and E, glycine, zinc, and selenium

You did not mention how the lead level was determined.  Some measurements are not reliable and should be disregarded.

You also did not give numbers.

I do not know you considered to be the expected upper limit for lead.
This needs to be defined.

Was this the action limit of OSHA of 40 mcg/dL of blood or some other number?

Posted by: Goldie, Friday, August 19, 2011, 4:29pm; Reply: 3
also what else showed up on the test?? it will not be the only thing out of whack..
Posted by: Mark, Friday, August 19, 2011, 4:34pm; Reply: 4
You can try the herbs, like C just mentioned, but I would not do it alone. Your levels are too high. Go see a doctor in Functional Medicine who has experience in getting rid of heavy metals using chelation therapy. You should experience symptoms of relief very quickly.
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, August 19, 2011, 9:50pm; Reply: 5
Hi Guys, Thank you for your quick responses.  I was tested with the Urine Toxic Metals through Dr. D's  associates, Dr. Nash and Dr. Partovi.  Dr. Nash and I decided it would be a good idea because I eat so much fish on my diet, what with the heart disease in my family and all.  Our plan was to use this as a baseline.  

I was shocked when I received the results, as I don't seem to have any symptoms that I know of.

The testing was done through Doctor's Data, Inc. with captomer as a provoking agent.  My actual lead level is 78, when the testing reference interval is < 2, so as you can see, my numbers are way off the charts.

I also have very high Mercury, which is actually not a surprise given the fact that I have a mouthful of old amalgam fillings.  I need to get those removed and found a dentist who specializes in mercury removal.  My mercury level is 240 when the testing reference interval is < 4.

However, I am hoping to focus on the LEAD in this thread.  I do have another thread regarding the amalgam removal.  My levels of bismuth, gadolinium and thallium are also elevated, but not too bad.

Dr. Nash is on vacation this week, so I am sure we will discuss this next week.  I was hoping to get some information and maybe some links so that when we do discuss it I can be somewhat informed.  

Mark, I watched the post you put up on TEDMED for Dr. Mark Hyman.  He showed a slide of his mercury testing and it was done by the same lab. His mercury was 100, mine is 240!  Yikes.  His lead was in the normal range from what I recall.  Also, Mark, I read somewhere that you have had experience with this?  Is there anything you can share beyond what you already have?

I don't know where or when I was exposed to lead.  My kids were tested when they were little as we renovated an old house and moved in.  As I recall, my son's levels were slightly high, but they resolved over time.  Growing up, my family owned an old farmhouse built in the 1800's and my father was constantly renovating the house.  Maybe the exposure came from that?  I do live not too far from a couple of former landfills, but we live up hill from them and our area is blessed with excellent gravel and lots of woods, so I don't really think it is from that.  I think it may have been from the house I grew up in.

The lead scares me more than the mercury, although neither is great.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, August 19, 2011, 10:35pm; Reply: 6
I am OLD school .. I think the body should be able to eliminate a lot of toxins IF THE BODY is HEALTHY//

having gone to Dr Nash, I think all the conversations here will only confuse some of the same issues.. I would trust the offices a great deal and then see if removal is even possible or more taxing..

also just by feeling you can not tell.. children with toxicity are at a great disadvantage learning wise.. but as on adult you have accommodated your thinking/learning..

I would guess that IF you got rid of one toxin.. not saying which one, then the others will get better..

IF I Had such lead toxicity I would do a intravenous protocol.. but that is just my old time thinking, now they have many more pieces of info that will matter in this..

I think I would wait to hear from the doctor.. all else is just spinning your wheels or stressing you more.. hold on and they will tell you what to fix first and then what to fix next , and then the rest.. I think this is not a quick fix thing..

do you have any idea on how it IS affecting you?  why did you see Dr. N?  what made you go there?  could be the answer to a lot of issues..   all the best..

Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, August 19, 2011, 10:53pm; Reply: 7
A provoking agent is going to raise measured levels.
Still was not sure of the units on the 78.

The reference range may be for unprovoked lead levels.

Did some Internet search of guidelines of urine test values for lead:

Less than  150 µg/g
http://www.drcranton.com/mercury/Mercury_test_results.htm

Less than 70 µ/dL

http://www.patientsmedical.com/healthaz/heavymetaltoxicity/test.aspx

I would trust Dr. Nash's interpretation of results over mine.
Posted by: Mark, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 1:11am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Patty H

Mark, I watched the post you put up on TEDMED for Dr. Mark Hyman.  He showed a slide of his mercury testing and it was done by the same lab. His mercury was 100, mine is 240!  Yikes.  His lead was in the normal range from what I recall.  Also, Mark, I read somewhere that you have had experience with this?  Is there anything you can share beyond what you already have?


I have shared everything, really. People here are offering you really good stuff. You'll be fine, I know.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 1:40am; Reply: 9
I use this product daily.  It's basically laminaria seaweed prepared in a way that removes the coarse fiber before put into capsules.
http://www.dragonherbs.com/prodinfo.asp?number=528

It eliminates both mercury and lead.

I also add chlorella to a drink every day.
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 2:55am; Reply: 10
Quoted from C_Sharp
A provoking agent is going to raise measured levels.
Still was not sure of the units on the 78.

The reference range may be for unprovoked lead levels.

Did some Internet search of guidelines of urine test values for lead:

Less than  150 µg/g
http://www.drcranton.com/mercury/Mercury_test_results.htm

Less than 70 µ/dL

http://www.patientsmedical.com/healthaz/heavymetaltoxicity/test.aspx

I would trust Dr. Nash's interpretation of results over mine.


C-Sharp, the tests take into consideration that a provoking agent was used.  The units are the ones you mention above.  I do not know how to get the first character on my computer, but they are exactly the same.

So given that, your reference says mercury under 150 is ok, but mine is 240, and your reference for lead is 70 and mine is 78.  This lab uses a green/yellow/red graphic to illustrate the different toxic metals with black lines that go into the green if in the normal range and yellow and red for outside the normal range.  My lead and mercury are in the red.  My bismuth, gadolinium and thallium are in the yellow.

Goldie, I do understand that Dr. Nash will help me.  I am just trying to do some research before I speak with her.  Also, I have an appointment with my PCP on Monday morning and I will need to share this info with her without the benefit of having spoken to Dr. Nash, as she has been on vacation for a week and I am sure she will have a lot on her plate before she has time to even read my report.  Again, I am looking for information on detoxing lead, how long it takes, the different processes involved and how I will feel during the process.  I am sure there are ways to do it naturally and ways to do it with allopathic medicine.  I was hoping to get some understanding of what I might expect from others who may have gone through it already.  I just got the results yesterday, so I am just beginning to digest the information myself.

Mark, when you talk about functional medicine and chelation therapy, I am wondering if this is available through both homeopathic and allopathic routes?  If so, do you know the differences between the two?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:13am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Patty H
So given that, your reference says mercury under 150 is ok, but mine is 240, and your reference for lead is 70 and mine is 78.  


The 150 µg/g figure that I quoted is for Lead not mercury.  It is a figure for Lead unprovoked. If you follow the link it is clearly labeled Lead.


Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 1:36pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from C_Sharp


The 150 µg/g figure that I quoted is for Lead not mercury.  It is a figure for Lead unprovoked. If you follow the link it is clearly labeled Lead.




Sorry - yes - my mistake.  :-/
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 3:36am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Patty H


C-Sharp, the tests take into consideration that a provoking agent was used.  The units are the ones you mention above.  I do not know how to get the first character on my computer, but they are exactly the same.

So given that, your reference says mercury under 150 is ok, but mine is 240, and your reference for lead is 70 and mine is 78.  This lab uses a green/yellow/red graphic to illustrate the different toxic metals with black lines that go into the green if in the normal range and yellow and red for outside the normal range.  My lead and mercury are in the red.  My bismuth, gadolinium and thallium are in the yellow.

Goldie, I do understand that Dr. Nash will help me.  I am just trying to do some research before I speak with her.  Also, I have an appointment with my PCP on Monday morning and I will need to share this info with her without the benefit of having spoken to Dr. Nash, as she has been on vacation for a week and I am sure she will have a lot on her plate before she has time to even read my report.  Again, I am looking for information on detoxing lead, how long it takes, the different processes involved and how I will feel during the process.  I am sure there are ways to do it naturally and ways to do it with allopathic medicine.  I was hoping to get some understanding of what I might expect from others who may have gone through it already.  I just got the results yesterday, so I am just beginning to digest the information myself.

Mark, when you talk about functional medicine and chelation therapy, I am wondering if this is available through both homeopathic and allopathic routes?  If so, do you know the differences between the two?


I'm with you.  The more informed you are, the better off you're going to be.  Well, I think so anyways.  If we understand the tools, we can best help ourselves, with the Doctors help.  After all, they are practicing, and it's our body.  And our body has intuition that the doctor can't see or hear that we might understand.  Either way, it's good to have a doctor you trust, but I find that when my thinking and intuition lines up with the doctors, it's just that much better.  I have had sometimes to just trust the doctor because of my own fears, inabilities, or worries.  But I also have to take into account what my insides are telling me.  Or maybe what I've learned.  It sounds like you're in really good hands though, which sure helps.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 2:04pm; Reply: 14
With numbers THAT high, and no symptoms, my first thought is to re-do the testing to make sure there wasn't any kind of lab error.

My only experience with lead toxicity was the tests my kids had when they were toddlers, since babies do things like eat paint chips, and too much lead can hamper normal growth and development. Since all their tests came back normal, I never needed to look further into it. It never really occured to me that this could be a problem for adults.

There don't seem to be too many members on this forum who have personal experience. Have you tried a general web search?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 2:18pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Since all their tests came back normal, I never needed to look further into it.


Their is a fair chance that the would would not have looked "normal" if you had used Doctor's Data, Inc.
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, August 22, 2011, 6:06pm; Reply: 16
Come to find out, I did not receive the pre-provocative test results along with the post-provocative test results.  My pre-provocative test results are still high for lead.  The reference interval is < 2 and mine is 3.8.
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, February 24, 2012, 12:51am; Reply: 17
I have lead toxicity too. :(

I spent many years in a house with lead pipes. :-/

From what I understand, only DMSA can get it out. Also, the DMSA will only get the lead in the blood and the body, not in the bones. It takes YEARS to get lead out of the bones, and a chelator won't help. My source is Andrew Cutler (noamalgam.com).
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, February 24, 2012, 12:57am; Reply: 18
EDTA is another one, but Cutler recommends DMSA first, I think.
Posted by: Niagreen, Friday, February 24, 2012, 11:09am; Reply: 19
I have read that  lead displaces calcium, so perhaps calcium supplementation (in balance with magnesium) may help with chelation
Posted by: Christopher1, Friday, February 24, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 20
Does Dr. D use chelators in his practice?
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