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Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:26am
My daughter has had an infection in her toe since the end of June.  After the first course of antibiotics (cephalexin) failed to clear it up, she was switched to Bactrim, and the drainage was cultured.  The results indicated she has a drug-resistant strain of Staph.

She was referred to the surgical unit of a hospital to have it drained, but the doctor declined to perform the procedure because he was able to get fluid to come out with squeezing.  He recommended soaking in hot water with Epsom salt and rinsing with H2O2 and then keeping it covered.  We've been also applying Oregonal P73.  Tonight for the first time I added about 1 tsp of bleach to the soak.

So here we are six weeks later with no progress.  Suggestions?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:38am; Reply: 1
What is her blood type?

I would give her Genoma Security.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:39am; Reply: 2
Andrea, what about tomato goo....Remember Ribbit and her staph infection being cured with
tomato goo....
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:58am; Reply: 3
I had staph in a surgical incision and i took the most powerful antibiotic vancomycin (however you spell it) for 8 weeks.

It never came back, but it left residual damage in my hip muscle in the incision.  Staph is no joke!
Posted by: md, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 2:35am; Reply: 4
Chloe,

What about Manuka Honey?
Posted by: brinyskysail, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 3:27am; Reply: 5
A topical combo of Manuka and GSE (and maybe take some internally too)?
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 10:22am; Reply: 6
collodial silver intern-and externally.... the mix between 50:50% & of niauli & lavender oil or teatree oil if she can agree with it.... ??)and load up with fresh garlic as well ;) :D
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 12:19pm; Reply: 7
starve them eat less or zero sugary foods and spray the little sucker with olive oil or hydrogen peroxide better still alternate them.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 1:10pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from md
Chloe,

What about Manuka Honey?


Manuka honey used topically finally did kill all staph on my dog's skin.  It was a relentless infection and lasted
close to a year.......M Honey is capable of killing MRSA, so I'm totally in agreement that this is great option...I mentioned tomato goo because Dr. D helped RIbbit cure her staph infection using it topically.

At this point, I'd try just about anything to avoid having to use drugs.

Our vet (and please forgive me because I do not want to compare a dog with a child ever) said
that staph is indicative of a low functioning immune system....I'd probably also want to focus
on the gut.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 2:32pm; Reply: 9
what a fab thread..

some threads are so good I send the link to me by email for the future when I might need it.. thanks all for these conversations.. I have taken many anti biotics and  hope I will be OK in future.. if not their is still hope here..! thanks
Posted by: EquiPro, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 3:29pm; Reply: 10
I think that you should go and see an infectious disease specialist and not mess around with this too much.  We had MRSA in our household (hubby caught it at a hospital when he fell off of a ladder) and it was pretty much a expletive deleted until seeing the ID doc.  Turns out to be one that responds well to a tetracycline-cousin antibiotic. The medicine was cheap and worked very well.

These things can get quite nasty, quite quickly and, ultimately, kill you, so it's best to get them gone.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 4:24pm; Reply: 11
an ozone generator will kill it just don't get too much near your lungs
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 7:58pm; Reply: 12
B-I-L, who is definitely an Explorer, just got back from hospital from a Staph infection on a cut on his leg.  Ten days antibiotics and a minimum of two weeks off work on crutches or a wheelchair.

Could not interest the poor man to eat as an Explorer.  He will see the improvement in my body next family get-together.
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 8:12pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from EquiPro
I think that you should go and see an infectious disease specialist and not mess around with this too much.  We had MRSA in our household (hubby caught it at a hospital when he fell off of a ladder) and it was pretty much a expletive deleted until seeing the ID doc.  Turns out to be one that responds well to a tetracycline-cousin antibiotic. The medicine was cheap and worked very well.

These things can get quite nasty, quite quickly and, ultimately, kill you, so it's best to get them gone.


I agree with this!  The staph can literally eat flesh.  It compromised my left glutues medius muscle function in my surgical incison.  I limped like Eric Schweig in "The Missing" for like 5 years after!   :o  

I had to work very hard to rebuild the muscles that got damaged from the infection and i have virtually no limp now.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 3:45am; Reply: 14
Thank you for all your suggestions and concerns.

I forgot to mention that she also had x-rays taken to ensure that the bone was not affected.

My wife has just started to apply Tea Tree Oil in addition to the soak and rinse with H2O2.  As for internal remedies, we're working with garlic and Echinacea tea.

Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 1:15pm; Reply: 15
Covering it is the last thing I'd do!  Covering wounds, so that they're moist and dark, creates a breeding ground.  I'd put it in the sun and let it bake!  For moisture, rubbing tea tree oil alternating with tomato goo on it every hour or so should help.  I've read great things about the raw honey too.  My 6 y.o. cut his heel very badly on a screw head a while back and the triple antibacterial cream I put on it wasn't keeping it from getting infected.  I went straight to that because I didn't like the looks of it.  But it was the tea tree oil that healed it in the end.  As soon as I started using that, it healed very quickly.

As for the tomato, it didn't cure the staph--because the staph is coming from inside my body and I can't get rid of that, even with antibiotics or homeopathic everything-under-the-sun--but it does reduce the size of each individual bump and help heal it as long as the tomato is fresh.  After a few days of sitting in the fridge, it quits working and I have to get a new tomato.  There is a lectin in the clear-ish yellow-ish liquid surrounding the seeds.  It's not the tomato flesh itself that does the trick.  Just open a fresh tomato (I get the smaller, round variety because they're juicer--not the big ones for hamburgers, and certainly not the paste tomatoes--Roma--because they lack the liquid part) and take your finger and scoop out the precious liquid.  Rub it onto the affected area several times a day.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:26pm; Reply: 16
As a last resort, you can request a Rx for Phisohex to be used topically. Drug resistant Staph means business, not something you want to mess around with.
Posted by: Joy, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 5:32pm; Reply: 17
I'd also like to add a resounding yes for Manuka Honey.  

Put it on topically (sticky but if it does the job so what)  and also take internally.


Joy
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 7:58pm; Reply: 18
Docs can't cure it with conventional medicine, they just keep giving antibiotics till it is resistant.
Better to work on treating it yourself. The staph may not have caused the muscle damage but the antibiotic that they gave you may have.


http://www.antibiotics.org/
Posted by: benandbecca, Saturday, August 13, 2011, 8:29pm; Reply: 19
I have read that Lemongrass oil from Young Living Essential Oils kills MRSA. You might do some research online and also try Silver Shield, but make sure you get continued medical help if needed.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, August 14, 2011, 2:33pm; Reply: 20
It does seem to be getting slightly better.  The redness has faded at least.

Ribbit, thanks for describing "tomato goo" -- I wasn't sure what the others meant.  I did have her sit outside with it exposed to the sun.  Not sure if UV can penetrate into it, but if it can, it will help.

Thanks for all your responses!
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:31pm; Reply: 21
People Paste is what I always recommend, and what my son-in-law used to get rid of his staff infection. The book I have recommends using Barberry (Berberis vulgaris) if you cannot find Goldenseal, Goldenseal has been over-harvested and is sometimes hard to find or very expensive.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, August 14, 2011, 6:55pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from grey rabbit
People Paste is what I always recommend, and what my son-in-law used to get rid of his staff infection. The book I have recommends using Barberry (Berberis vulgaris) if you cannot find Goldenseal, Goldenseal has been over-harvested and is sometimes hard to find or very expensive.


I use a version of People Paste, and have for the past 30 years.  Equal parts powdered golden seal, myrrh and slippery elm.  I always mixed it with water to paste consistency, but I'm going to start using manuka honey to mix with.  I can find golden seal powder at my natural food store, but lately not powdered myrrh.   :-/

This is also my favorite for the kind of spider bite that causes the flesh to dissolve.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, August 14, 2011, 7:48pm; Reply: 23
For a Staph infection, I would take (either or both) a couple of Chinese herbs  'Andrographis paniculata', which is in Dr. D's formula, Genoma Security.  
Or, if I'm out of Dr. D's formula, I'd buy from my health food store the Plum Flower brand formula called Chuan Xin Lian, which contains Andrographis.

Or, I would consider another Plum Flower formula called Huang Lian Jie Du Wan, which is a formula containing the excellent herbal anti-biotic, Coptis.

Or, I'd get from Dragonherbs.com either Isatis Supreme or the formula called Coptis and Scute.

I'm not a physician.  This is just what I would personally do.  :)
Posted by: angel, Sunday, August 14, 2011, 11:41pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from benandbecca
I have read that Lemongrass oil from Young Living Essential Oils kills MRSA. You might do some research online and also try Silver Shield, but make sure you get continued medical help if needed.


Young Living oils are cut Just slightly, they are not as strong as doTerras. I have used both. I trust doterra and have done more good with doTerra than with Young and others. Use only Certified professional theraputic grade (CPTG) oils. I have taken care of sunburns and worked these oils along with my other conventional treatments and felt these did a good job. The Deep Blue oil really does help with painful joints. I am still learning. The Chief MEd Officer worked for Young and quit when he found out they were cutting the oils-because when he was treating patients they came back saying what he said to do did not work. He now works for doTerra and is a very caring sensitive man. I am thankful for his advice.
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, August 15, 2011, 12:26am; Reply: 25
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Docs can't cure it with conventional medicine, they just keep giving antibiotics till it is resistant.
Better to work on treating it yourself. The staph may not have caused the muscle damage but the antibiotic that they gave you may have.


http://www.antibiotics.org/


For me, i'm sure the antibiotics i was given had some bad side effects.  My hip bones and muscles took a beating and a lot of trauma too.  I came out alive and fully recovered, so I am thankful for that 8)

The Dr. who did the surgery was very upset when he learned it had gotten infected, because he is well renowned as a pelvic trauma surgeon and the intern caring for me was new and didn't recognize it till it was pretty bad:(  I was the second case of staph infection he had ever had in his 15 or so years.  I was on vancomycin taken through a pick line for 8 weeks.


Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, August 15, 2011, 12:57am; Reply: 26
My ND told me the same thing about Young Living oils.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, August 15, 2011, 1:00am; Reply: 27
Genoma will provide deep healing.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, August 15, 2011, 2:32am; Reply: 28
I want to get some, Andrea.
Posted by: benandbecca, Monday, August 15, 2011, 3:35pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from angel


Young Living oils are cut Just slightly, they are not as strong as doTerras. I have used both. I trust doterra and have done more good with doTerra than with Young and others. Use only Certified professional theraputic grade (CPTG) oils. I have taken care of sunburns and worked these oils along with my other conventional treatments and felt these did a good job. The Deep Blue oil really does help with painful joints. I am still learning. The Chief MEd Officer worked for Young and quit when he found out they were cutting the oils-because when he was treating patients they came back saying what he said to do did not work. He now works for doTerra and is a very caring sensitive man. I am thankful for his advice.


That's very interesting, Andrea!  I have never heard of doTerras. I have been using Young Living oils with success since about 1996, but I haven't used many of their products. I have primarily used their lavender and their pan away, which is awesome stuff.  Can you tell me the name of the Chief Med Officer who used to work for Young?  I am very interested in learning more about doTerra. How long have you used their oils?  Can you share any info regarding personal experience in comparing them? If there is something better, I really want to know. Thanks!
Posted by: benandbecca, Monday, August 15, 2011, 3:44pm; Reply: 30
OK, I see that doTerra is relatively new, so maybe that is why I haven't heard of them. I am still interested in learning more. Are you a distributor, Andrea, and do you know if they have a product that is comparable to the awesome Pan Away that Young Living sells?
Posted by: angel, Friday, August 26, 2011, 4:53am; Reply: 31
Quoted from benandbecca
OK, I see that doTerra is relatively new, so maybe that is why I haven't heard of them. I am still interested in learning more. Are you a distributor, Andrea, and do you know if they have a product that is comparable to the awesome Pan Away that Young Living sells?


My name is Angel, I am a distributor. but will not sell via the discussion boards as it is a violation of user agreements. I am also a distributor for Dadamo right 4 yourtype products. I post both doterra and Dadamo lines on sharecare(NASM/HFPN/Sharecare//dadamo-NAP Professional/Doterra) where I am a contributor, but I have not been on the site lately because of my own health issues. Angel's Heavenly Bodies is my business name you can contact me via one of the sites or PM me.

Dr Hill is the doctor who I talked to. I will be trying to go to an ND in ID after I move (30 min drive for me north, better than 1 1/2 hours south.) It does upset me when you find out the cut the oils or dilute them incorrectly.

Experience my son came from FBLA national in FL. They had a day at the beach and  he got a sunburn he came home and asked for the oils I applied Lavender, Tea tree, and roman chamomile the first day. Most of the burn was gone, but he had some patches. Then just lavender the next two days until it was gone.

I use there deep blue for my carpal tunnel and my elbow. It works better than the topical pain killer I was prescribed.

My youngest son will ask for his 'foot massage' which is balance, serenity, and lavender each one put on one after the other then some fractionated coconut oil. He sleeps well. He has asthma and if he come in contact with something that irritates it I also apply breathe. and he sleeps throught the night.

Also If you can't get the oils and want to sleep or want someone else to sleep at night apply vicks rub to the soles of their feet and they will stop within 5 mins and be fast asleep. Did this to my husband and my self many a night and it has been a sanity saver.

Hope this helps.
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