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Posted by: la fille, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 2:08am
i'm wondering why coconut is a no-no for blood type O? if O's are typical of a sluggish thyroid, i thought coconut is excellent for thyroid? most natural health practioners rave about the benefits of coconut for thyroid health. thanks!!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 2:16am; Reply: 1
Coconut is an avoid for Os, because it:

"Enhances effect of other food toxins. Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins."

You could have found this out by looking up the value for coconut in typebase:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm

The primary factor for rating foods for the blood type diet is how the food interact with blood type antigens.  The impact of a food on thyroid health may have been considered in rating a food, but it would not have been the only factor in rating.



Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 2:17pm; Reply: 2
Most natural health practitioners don't understand Blood Type Diet, or the underlying concept of individuality. They just see foods as having certain healing properties, or not. If coconut oil strengthens the thyroid, or kills candida, then it follows that coconut oil is a good choice for ANYBODY with a weak thyroid or candida overgrowth. And, if coconut oil is so healing, then whole coconut must be good too, right?

The reality is that coconut oil is an AMAZING healing food- for some individuals. For others, it inhibits healing because it's toxic for their individual body chemistry. For others it falls somewhere in between. Naturopaths may not notice that the coconut oil doesn't promote healing, because other changes made at the same time (other herbs or healing modalities, other beneficial dietary changes) caused the person to heal, and they don't realize that the coconut oil wasn't helping.

Some individuals simply do horribly on coconut oil- there's somethign about the oil that just doesn't work for their body system. And even for those who do OK (or fantastic) on coconut oil, not all do wel on whole coconut. There are proteins and sugars in whole coconut that are hard for some bodies to process, even when the oil itself is healing.

There is a TON of nutritional information out there, and little of it takes individuality into account. Coconut is bad! Soy is bad! Soy is good! Well, the truth is they're all right. And they're all wrong. Soy is an amazing healing food for most As, but  a toxin and endocrine disrupter for most Os.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 4:35pm; Reply: 3
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i thought coconut is excellent for thyroid?


one for all and all for one!!! ;D
ER is all about individuality, a factor most do not care to see.

happy you joined! use the search feature, and find out all that has been said on any subject of your interest

here s a quote by Dr D on coconut oil
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Dr D
    I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by certain BT/GTs; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing one needs in this world.

    Dr. Enig is a fine lipid chemist, but has a tendency to think coconut oil is just wonderful in everyone.
    Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts.
Posted by: Spazcat, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 9:29pm; Reply: 4
Interesting because coconut oil is a superfood on my Swami.  So not bad for all O's.  I was thrilled to see that, as I have a few gallons of it laying around!

Just wondering what makes it good for O nonnie Hunters.....?
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Sunday, August 7, 2011, 9:38pm; Reply: 5
Superfood for this O nonnie Hunter too...get your secretor status, that changes lots of things...:) As Ruthie says, the coconut meat is an avoid for me, but not the oil. :)
Posted by: Spazcat, Sunday, August 7, 2011, 11:56pm; Reply: 6
I just realized coconut oil is an avoid for the A's in my family and since I don't know secreter status of my O kids, could be an avoid for some of them as well.  

Bummer.  Need a cooking oil that would be compliant for all of us...
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, August 8, 2011, 12:04am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Spazcat
I just realized coconut oil is an avoid for the A's in my family and since I don't know secreter status of my O kids, could be an avoid for some of them as well.  

Bummer.  Need a cooking oil that would be compliant for all of us...


Rice Bran Oil.  It also has a very high cook point.  And, it tastes great.  I find I don't like foods cooked in anything else.

Not many stores carry it but it's easy to buy online. We buy by the FIVE GALLON and transfer it to empty glass Gerolsteiner bottles and store it in the freezer.
Posted by: Spazcat, Monday, August 8, 2011, 12:16am; Reply: 8
Thanks!  I will see if I can find that in my buying club.  
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Monday, August 8, 2011, 12:59am; Reply: 9
Why not olive oil? Beneficial for everyone.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Monday, August 8, 2011, 1:24am; Reply: 10
Coconut oil is a superfood on my swami, I don't know if your children are old enough to be swamiied.
Posted by: la fille, Monday, August 8, 2011, 1:36am; Reply: 11
how do you swami? what is involved? and what is a nonnie hunter? this is so confusing!! it seems that food changes from being an avoid to something you can have depending on what program you follow.....how can that be........sorry i'm new here
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:22am; Reply: 12
Quoted from la fille
how do you swami?

SWAMI is an online program that you put personal and family health data into and it provides a personalized diet specific for you.

Quoted from la fille
what is involved?

Buy access to the software, take the required measurements, input the required data and whatever other data you want, process the data to get the printout.
SWAMI Description



Quoted from la fille
and what is a nonnie hunter?
Nonnie is a Non-Secretor.  Hunter is one of the six Genotypes from The Genotype Diet book.

Quoted from la fille
this is so confusing!! it seems that food changes from being an avoid to something you can have depending on what program you follow.....how can that be?
The Blood Type Diet and The Genotype Diet are two separate plans.  The BTD fits you to your blood type gene.  The GTD fits your genes to you, by changing what genes are able to express themselves.

Posted by: Spazcat, Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:25am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Wholefoodie
Why not olive oil? Beneficial for everyone.


I want something that can withstand higher temps for cooking.  :)
Posted by: Spazcat, Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:28am; Reply: 14
Quoted from grey rabbit
Coconut oil is a superfood on my swami, I don't know if your children are old enough to be swamiied.


Wow, so it can be OK for A's!  How old do you have to be to get "swamied"?  
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:34am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Spazcat
How old do you have to be to get "swamied"?  

I would defer to Dr. D. for the best answer, but I would think that SWAMI would use the data at any age.  It will be more accurate once the growing stops, which would be about 18 for girls/women and 21 for boys/men.


Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:54am; Reply: 16
Quoted from KimonoKat


Rice Bran Oil.  It also has a very high cook point.  And, it tastes great.  I find I don't like foods cooked in anything else.

Not many stores carry it but it's easy to buy online. We buy by the FIVE GALLON and transfer it to empty glass Gerolsteiner bottles and store it in the freezer.


I will look into the rice bran oil. Never heard of it before. I cant stand the olive oil. It has a very bitter taste to my husband and I. I am a super taster. I made date squares the other day and the olive oil ruined them. Being the non waster I am, I am forcing myself to eat them. :X
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, August 8, 2011, 2:25pm; Reply: 17
Coconut oil is a neutral for me but coconut meat is an avoid, according to my SWAMI.

Remember, you are on a "one size fits none" diet.

Those of us who have the SWAMI software program have moved onto Dr. D's latest book, The GenoType Diet.  Instead of four blood types, he has broken down the types into six different genotypes.  Most of us started on the Blood Type Diet and eventually moved to The GenoType Diet.

There is some cross over between the two diets, but I would say the main reason most of us have switched to The GenoType Diet and purchased our SWAMI software is that it is even more individualized and the software gives more expansive food lists based upon your family/personal health history.  For me, making this a "lifetime" diet and not a quick, lose weight diet, required that I have more food choices tailored to my individual needs.  Hunter, as is mentioned in one of the earlier posts, is one of the six genotypes.  I hope this quick explanation is helpful!

Whichever diet you follow is great!  As you stay on the BTD for some time, you may decide to make the switch to The Genotype Diet, but both are great!  Maybe a good next step would be for you to read Dr. D's second book, Live Right For Your Type.

Welcome and good luck!
Posted by: deblynn3, Monday, August 8, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 18
Walnut oil is beneficial or neutral for all types. I really like it in baked items. (pumpkin, or sweet potato breads etc)

I use olive or the walnut for all my cooking
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Monday, August 8, 2011, 4:13pm; Reply: 19
I took a tablespoon or two, made me dizzy and constipated.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, August 8, 2011, 4:44pm; Reply: 20
Ghee (clarified butter) is also good for all blood types.
Posted by: Munchkin76, Monday, August 8, 2011, 9:34pm; Reply: 21
I love Rice Bran Oil  - It's a diamond bennie for this Hunter  :P  Like others have said, it has a high smoke point so is great for cooking at temp.  I also get olive oil, walnut, sesame oil as diamonds!
Posted by: 28260 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2013, 8:20pm; Reply: 22
Hi all - I live in the Pacific on a small island surrounded by all things coconut!  The Nu (juice) is a staple in my diet as is the flesh - fresh not cooked - although I don't use the oil much except for my skin.  What is the exact issue with the coconut for Os - is it only the oil or the flesh AND the juice as everything points to it being wonderful and has not affected me adversely to my knowledge.

Thanks :)
Posted by: Type Unknown, Monday, January 28, 2013, 8:58pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from 28260
Hi all - I live in the Pacific on a small island surrounded by all things coconut!  The Nu (juice) is a staple in my diet as is the flesh - fresh not cooked - although I don't use the oil much except for my skin.  What is the exact issue with the coconut for Os - is it only the oil or the flesh AND the juice as everything points to it being wonderful and has not affected me adversely to my knowledge.

Thanks :)


I'm type O too and new here. Is it possible that a lifetime of eating fresh coconut products is evidence enough that coconut could be at least neutral for us? I can't tell if it is beneficial to my insides, but the oil definitely improves my acne AND dryness, and I hear it is good for oral health as well. I would hate to give it up now if it only makes me feel better.

Sorry, yes, I still have skepticism. I don't mean to bring negativity!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 28, 2013, 10:34pm; Reply: 24
Coconut oil is OK for some individuals. O nonnies have coconut oil as neutral. On SWAMI (computer-generated personalized diets) many individuals get coconut oil as neutral, beneficial, or diamond (super-beneficial.) Dr D's work is much more complex than the basic BTD, because he's done more research since the BTD was completed.

If you're not ready to invest in a SWAMI, then you need to make some decisions about how closely you want to follow the diet in the books. If you know that coconut oil makes you feel better, it's logical to continue using it for now.

As for fresh coconut, the reality is that you've never "not eaten it" so you don't know how much healthier you'd be if you didn't consume it. Still, if you're not ready to give up fresh coconut, then don't. You'll still benefit from following the O diet "most of the way" even if you don't make 100% of the recommended changes.
Posted by: aussielady582, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 4:24am; Reply: 25
This is an interesting topic to keep looking into.  For me with Aboriginal and Greek ancestory, I don't eat coconut products much (I used to though).  In Dr D's book, Cardiovascular Disease, coconut oil is good for type O nonnies.  For me, I may use it on occasion, but I prefer to use ghee, or duck fat as my aboriginal ancestors would have done.  I was born in Tasmania, and no coconuts down there! With my gut in poor condition (Dr Dr is right about grains, sugars, and starches), yes, the oil in small quantities ok as antibacterial and antifungal properties.  I still use garlic, lemon juice, fresh and dried herbs and spices to help in my gut and now have taken out seed-like grains too as in Dr Cordain's book,
'The Paleo Answer' - low starch veggies are much better in my system.  and of course, freshly cooked broths from beef bones and chicken/duck bones.  The inflammation in my system is slowly disappearing, as my sleep is better, my hair smoother and softer, headaches/migraines better, skin softer, feel better when wake up in morning.  I had chicken/duck bone soup with veggies last weekend and wow, my system worked so well and so much energy yesterday too - I felt like a 'true hunter' able to go walkabout and get so much done during the day.  Plus relaxed in bathtub, abdominal massage all helps.
Now happily grain, sugar, starch free!!  this means no carob or chocolate or cocoa. I make something sweet out of nuts/seeds/nut butters, but less and less often as fruit is so good, esp now in Aussie summer.  I believe Dr Gabriel Cousen's piece from his web site on starchaholics, so now guess I am a recovering starchalcholic, and learning to deal with life much more positively.
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 9:55am; Reply: 26
Quoted from aussielady582
This is an interesting topic to keep looking into.  For me with Aboriginal and Greek ancestory, I don't eat coconut products much (I used to though).  In Dr D's book, Cardiovascular Disease, coconut oil is good for type O nonnies.  For me, I may use it on occasion, but I prefer to use ghee, or duck fat as my aboriginal ancestors would have done.  I was born in Tasmania, and no coconuts down there! With my gut in poor condition (Dr Dr is right about grains, sugars, and starches), yes, the oil in small quantities ok as antibacterial and antifungal properties.  I still use garlic, lemon juice, fresh and dried herbs and spices to help in my gut and now have taken out seed-like grains too as in Dr Cordain's book,
'The Paleo Answer' - low starch veggies are much better in my system.  and of course, freshly cooked broths from beef bones and chicken/duck bones.  The inflammation in my system is slowly disappearing, as my sleep is better, my hair smoother and softer, headaches/migraines better, skin softer, feel better when wake up in morning.  I had chicken/duck bone soup with veggies last weekend and wow, my system worked so well and so much energy yesterday too - I felt like a 'true hunter' able to go walkabout and get so much done during the day.  Plus relaxed in bathtub, abdominal massage all helps.
Now happily grain, sugar, starch free!!  this means no carob or chocolate or cocoa. I make something sweet out of nuts/seeds/nut butters, but less and less often as fruit is so good, esp now in Aussie summer.  I believe Dr Gabriel Cousen's piece from his web site on starchaholics, so now guess I am a recovering starchalcholic, and learning to deal with life much more positively.


So glad you are doing well:) It is nice to hear positive things on the forum!! as well as all the issues and concerns. YAY!!!
Posted by: Living9, Sunday, April 28, 2013, 11:54am; Reply: 27
Oh well, I haven't been on here for a while and in the meanwhile there is a new SWAMI kit which sounds great.

I live in the UK and use an Apple Mac.  I have two questions for users i would really appreciate an answer to.
1)  I am an O (and really getting into Coconut oil, hence the return to this site)
2)  I never established my secretor type
3)  If I buy the SWAMI software will it be important to know my secretor type
4)  Does the software update naturally and without further cost?


Many thanks for any help in this matter.
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, April 28, 2013, 3:20pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Living9
Oh well, I haven't been on here for a while and in the meanwhile there is a new SWAMI kit which sounds great.

I live in the UK and use an Apple Mac.  I have two questions for users i would really appreciate an answer to.
1)  I am an O (and really getting into Coconut oil, hence the return to this site)
2)  I never established my secretor type
3)  If I buy the SWAMI software will it be important to know my secretor type
4)  Does the software update naturally and without further cost?


Many thanks for any help in this matter.


3) secretor type is not needed but is something you should plan on determining. Especially if you want coconut oil.
4) It has to this point and for the foreseeable future, but there are no guarantees.

Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, April 28, 2013, 4:05pm; Reply: 29
Been buying this for years!  It's fantastic.  I don't even THINK about coconut oil since it's a complete avoid for me....
even though that is hard as now all mfg's are putting into anything considered a health food item.   :o

http://www.amazon.com/California-Rice-Oil-Company-25-4-Ounce/dp/B001EQ516C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1367164633&sr=8-3&keywords=rice+bran+oil

I keep 3 kinds of oils on hand:

Rice Bran Oil for high heat cooking
Olive Oil for low heat cooking
Walnut Oil for my salad dressings and adding to protein shakes
Posted by: O plus, Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 7:34pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Spazcat
Interesting because coconut oil is a superfood on my Swami.  So not bad for all O's.  I was thrilled to see that, as I have a few gallons of it laying around!

Just wondering what makes it good for O nonnie Hunters.....?


Glad I read that. Guess I have to break down & buy the swami book. Or is there a type food type base resource for that..?

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 8:40pm; Reply: 31
IG and TU,

until you guys run a swami and find out more about your individuality, like secretor status, variables, health history will you know if right or better avoid.

does epigenotoxic ring a bell?

other biochemical explanation you might get  as well, so here s a quote by Dr D for those skeptical:
Quoted Text
"In English:

Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts."
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 1:14pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from O plus


Glad I read that. Guess I have to break down & buy the swami book. Or is there a type food type base resource for that..?



SWAMI is a  computer program that computes a personalized diet after you give it some information about yourself: the measurements used to determine genotype plus some family and personal health history. SWAMI will compute a slightly different diet for each person. It costs about $70, and if you want one for each family member, you need to buy separate ones for each person. After you've run the SWAMI report, you can save the information on a PDF file to print out and/or view on your computer.
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