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Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, July 29, 2011, 2:59am
So I started my fatigue protocol on the 20th, taking my cortiguard (2 capsules twice a day) and my B12 (2 capsules a day) as should. I also started with Bromelain, since I retain a lot of water and I read that this helps. Furthermore I purchased harmonia and have been drinking that once a day, and I am taking my deflect (as always) and I started on my minerals again.

I eat super compliant. I think 99%, not too small meals not to large. Lots of veggies, but I did this already before I started with the protocol, bromelain and harmonia. So that hasn't changed. Now I have diarrhea almost daily, before starting the above it was perfect. And also every night I have my last small meal around 6.30 and then I have nothing more, maybe some water. But every evening around 10, my stomach starts to hurt and I get gas and acid reflux, making falling asleep rather difficult and as such not really helping with the fatigue issue. I have a bloated stomach and have the impression that I am gaining weight. I am not eating more, so weight gain should not be possible.

Please tell me this is my body adjusting, or getting used to the harmonia. And tell me that it will all go away, I just have to hang in there and it will all normalize again.

Any thoughts?
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, July 29, 2011, 6:05am; Reply: 1
I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..    :X    )
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, July 29, 2011, 12:04pm; Reply: 2
Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:38pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Goldie
I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..    :X    )


Goldie, I checked the sups and there is some overlap, but not alarming. For instance I always take Exacta multi vitamins and in the minerals there are some too, but it's iodine and I need that! I did the test again and the patch on my arm is gone within 30 minutes. Apparantly the kelp tablets I have been taking are not giving me enough iodine (which could explain part of the fatigue also).

As for being home, I love it, but I hate the fact that my husband is not yet here with me. He is still in Holland finishing things up there for yet another two months and I miss him terribly. For the rest I love being home, but I would like to get started on changing some things around the house to make me feel even better, but I'm just too tired to do that.

And it's just all very frustrating. I am being so compliant, for years already and this weight just won't go down anymore. I lost those pounds in the beginning, but after that nothing more. And I want to get rid of it, because I know I will feel better if I do. My knees won't hurt as much, my back won't hurt as much. Being back home takes no getting used to for me, but the fact that I just can't seem to loose the weight is getting so very frustrating. I am starting to wonder why even bother... I know that doing this diet has helped me tremendously (think my monthly issues that have gotten so much less) and my mental clarity is so much better. I suppose it's just a bump I have to get through. Probably caused by this fatigue that I just don't seem to be able to rationalize things as well.
Posted by: Kim, Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Goldie
I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..    :X    )


I think it would be wonderful if we could all get our nutrients from food alone.  If we all ate foods just picked off the farm we would be better for it.  Unfortunately most of us don't and need to supplement to get what the body needs.  Fruits and vegetables lose nutrients the moment they are picked and we get them from the super market quite a while after they are picked. Farmers markets help, but most of us do not get all our produce year round from them.

Also, many of us with certain health issues and advancing age, need more of certain nutrients that we can not get from the amount of food we eat.  If the body is not working properly and needs supplements, it is best to use the ones recommended for your body to get back into balance.  

Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:45pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Andrea, I think I had Gastro D, but I was saving it till I was finished with my fatigue protocol. I didn't want to start all my sups at once, so I limited it to those that are supposed to help me get some energy back.
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, July 29, 2011, 2:05pm; Reply: 6
Do any/all of the supplements contain magnesium?  Magnesium can cause pretty severe diahrrea if too much is ingested.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, July 29, 2011, 2:13pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Patty H
Do any/all of the supplements contain magnesium?  Magnesium can cause pretty severe diahrrea if too much is ingested.


I checked the ingredients online and both the Exacta and the geno multi mineral have magnesium. Maybe I should cut the mineral for a while?

Posted by: Victoria, Friday, July 29, 2011, 4:02pm; Reply: 8
I would temporarily cut down or set aside the Harmonia and see how you feel.  If you do have intestinal bacterial overgrowth, the concentrated foods in Harmonia can cause a lot of bloating.  Just for a bit, to see what happens.  :)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, July 29, 2011, 4:09pm; Reply: 9
Support your gut. Everything hinges on good digestion and assimilation. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 29, 2011, 5:45pm; Reply: 10
Just how much total magnesium are you taking from supps each day?

I think that "healing the gut" should come first, before focusing on fatigue or any other specific health complaint. A damaged gut can't absorb the nutrients for the other protocols.

Just how much weight do you need to lose? If you "can't seem to lose those last 10 pounds" then it might be that you need to hang onto that weight for now. Most women gain a little weight around menopause, and according to Susun Weed, that's a healthy thing- extra fat to store extra estrogen to make the change go a little more smoothly. But if you're more than 15 lbs overweight, something else is at play. Your body doesn't need more than 5-15 lbs of extra fat for hormonal balance, and the excess can be unhealthy.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, July 29, 2011, 6:23pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Just how much total magnesium are you taking from supps each day?

I think that "healing the gut" should come first, before focusing on fatigue or any other specific health complaint. A damaged gut can't absorb the nutrients for the other protocols.

Just how much weight do you need to lose? If you "can't seem to lose those last 10 pounds" then it might be that you need to hang onto that weight for now. Most women gain a little weight around menopause, and according to Susun Weed, that's a healthy thing- extra fat to store extra estrogen to make the change go a little more smoothly. But if you're more than 15 lbs overweight, something else is at play. Your body doesn't need more than 5-15 lbs of extra fat for hormonal balance, and the excess can be unhealthy.


I am 30 kilo's overweight at least. That a bit more then 60 pounds. Gained a lot during my thyroid issues and lost 30 kilo's already, but I still have that same amount to go. During that time doctors told me to eat less, that was why I was gaining so much weight. So I tried dieting and starting drinking a lot of diet drinks... the low calorie intake together with the diet drinks probably screwed up my entire metabolism.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 29, 2011, 6:33pm; Reply: 12
OK, then it sounds like the weight does need to come off.

The feeling that you're gaining weight could be from the bloating itself. And the bloating might be a "healing crisis" where you feel worse but are actually healing.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:11am; Reply: 13
Quoted from AKArtlover
Support your gut. Everything hinges on good digestion and assimilation. The two are not mutually exclusive.



Thanks Angela...

Why won't you all listen? I just don't get it? :K) :K) :K) :K) :K)

Support the gut stop running from supplement to supplement.

Wish you could all come here for breath hydrogen testing.  

If you have never listened to Dr. D speak  buy the conference tapes, he has so much info on them. He specifically talks about A's and BOG and repopulating the gut flora.



Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:39am; Reply: 14
It is not in the mainstream knowledge yet in a tangible way even though there have been studies on this for decades. People know the word probiotics, but they don't understand the biology. "Does that have something to do with yogurt?"  In some ways, I think there is a bit of a threat to some cash flow streams and perhaps this is why the information hasn't flowed freely and sooner.

Bravo to the people here learning. (Me too!) And doing the work!

We have to change the ways we think of symptomology and disease to a paradigm of SUPPORT and HEALTH. The US culture is generally looking for the quick fix and/or a silver bullet pill. Guard yourself against that mindset. Good food, good water, good sleep, good emotional balance-- have you taken care of the basics? Have you repaired damage you've done? How can you bring yourself into balance? I would say a good, functioning gut is ESSENTIAL.

Getting back to a basic understanding of physiology and complexity would be useful for most physicians. If the general public "got it" in a basic way, then we would not be in the dire public health crisis that we are in. There are all sorts of complex money issues with this.

The hydrogen test is a definite "buy in" for many. Seeing my blood in a live cell microscope was for me (and Steve--  :)). It still took me a gluten test for me to get serious. ADDICT!

On my soapbox.  :B

Well as long as I'm here-- check out this brilliant marketing. How this is being marketed on TV and what it is. This is a commercial. Look at the packaging. Hmmm.... my guess is someone is making a lot of money.

http://www.lipozene.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphophallus_konjac


Posted by: TJ, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:48am; Reply: 15
Now I'm a B, so we are coming from very different directions.  But with fatigue, the LAST thing I would want to do is suppress my cortisol levels.  So maybe the Cortigard is a contributing factor?  Then again, if low adrenal function isn't a cause in your fatigue, the Cortigard might be a good thing for you.

I second what has been said about healing your body.  That is the first order of business.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:53am; Reply: 16
SandrAruba, nothing personal on that last post.

All the other things you are doing are good and supportive as far as you indicate.

Andrea sometimes comes up with a brief, appropriate answer and because people don't get it-- they don't get it or take it to heart. Gut integrity is critical to good health.

Wishing you the very best. :)
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:57am; Reply: 17
Sandra, what kind of exercise are you getting? What kind of really-good-for-type-A, mind-body exercises do you do? When you are doing these exercises, what images are in your mind? When you think about yourself, what do you "see" and what do you "hear"? Is it a critical voice, or is it a loving, caring, supportive voice?
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 12:59am; Reply: 18
Cortisol is produced when the adrenals are worked up. Not clearing it out is exhausting for me. I have some SNP's that make that a little more challenging to clear.

Holy Basil is a Godsend for me and is balancing to me. Changed my life.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:05am; Reply: 19
You both are here so much-- sometimes it's different new people that you are repeating yourself to, and sometimes long time people still having issues. Takes awhile here, too, for new people to sort out what is a person's individual experience and what applies to yourself as an individual-- as well as what REALLY applies to everyone. Discernment.  ;) Learning, learning.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 4:53am; Reply: 20
Okay, I hear what you guys are saying. I am eating very healthy, mostly beneficials and a lot of diamonds from my Swami. The only supplements I was taking was deflect (to heal the gut, it's what I was told deflect does) and kelp capsules. I need iodine, having no thyroid, iodine is essential for me (btw I did the patch test again and I do not have enough iodine in me, the patch is gone within the hour, but that's not important right now).

So I was eating healthy, doing my meditation and I do some light weight lifting to build muscle. It's all I can do at this moment. I am not a supplements person perse, but only use it in case I can't get something out of my food. But I was sleeping badly and terribly tired despite my good efforts (and not loosing weight, yes carrying all this extra weight tiers you out as well, that's why I want to get rid of it). For that I need to be more physically active, but I am unable to do that, because I am so tired. Vicious circle.

So in order to get rid of the fatigue I decided I would do the fatigue protocol described by Dr. D. That includes the B12 sup, cortiguard and polyvita (I don't do the polyvita so I took the geno multi vitamin Exacta). So now I am taking my B12 once a day, my cortiguard twice a day and my vitamin once a day. And of course my deflect and my kelp. One thing I did notice, my mind is calmer, and I do sleep a bit better. I still have trouble getting to sleep, but when I do fall asleep I sleep for 5 to 6 hours straight. So in that area it is helping.

I figured since I wasn't getting enough exercise perhaps it would be wise to add some extra nutrition in the form of the harmonia. Perhaps extra nutrients without calories can help me loose weight as well. And because I know I retain water (thyroid related as well), I wanted to take bromelain. That way I can perhaps loose some of the waterweight that I am carrying around. Again so that I can maybe get rid of this immensely tired feeling. And because my feet were cramping up in the morning when getting out of bed, I started the mineral supps. They helped in the past. It's just not fun, jumping out of bed in pain because your leg is cramping up. The cramping of my legs is just something that comes and goes. I take the minerals for a month and it disappears and then I'm fine again for months and I stop the mineral, until it comes back.

So that is my reasoning behind starting this protocol that I am on. But like I said in my first post, I am not really feeling any better, and the harmonia is probably giving me gas and bloated stomach. At this point I am so tired I can't even get myself to prepare a meal that I so desperately need.

Just trying to give you guys insight in my reasoning for starting with supplements.

So tell me how do I heal my gut? I thought I was doing that with the deflect.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 11:48am; Reply: 21
I do find that yoga gives me energy rather then depletes it.
Qi gong is one of those exercises that gives energy.

Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:06pm; Reply: 22
I don't know Sandra, maybe if you list what you are eating someone with more experience with 'gut healing' would be able to give you more information.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:14pm; Reply: 23

Quoted Text
I don't know Sandra, maybe if you list what you are eating someone with more experience with 'gut healing' would be able to give you more information.






Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Done...



Posted by: TJ, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:18pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from SandrAruba
I need iodine, having no thyroid, iodine is essential for me (btw I did the patch test again and I do not have enough iodine in me, the patch is gone within the hour, but that's not important right now).
Linus Pauling Institute - Iodine

If you have no thyroid, and all your thyroid hormones are taken as medicine/supplements, I doubt you need any iodine in your diet.  AFAIK, the only part of the body to use iodine is the thyroid, and it is only used for the production of thyroid hormone, so if you can't produce any thyroid hormone internally...

Quoted from SandrAruba
So in order to get rid of the fatigue I decided I would do the fatigue protocol described by Dr. D. That includes the B12 sup, cortiguard and polyvita (I don't do the polyvita so I took the geno multi vitamin Exacta). So now I am taking my B12 once a day, my cortiguard twice a day and my vitamin once a day. And of course my deflect and my kelp. One thing I did notice, my mind is calmer, and I do sleep a bit better. I still have trouble getting to sleep, but when I do fall asleep I sleep for 5 to 6 hours straight. So in that area it is helping.
Apparently, something is improving!

Quoted from SandrAruba
And because my feet were cramping up in the morning when getting out of bed, I started the mineral supps. They helped in the past. It's just not fun, jumping out of bed in pain because your leg is cramping up. The cramping of my legs is just something that comes and goes. I take the minerals for a month and it disappears and then I'm fine again for months and I stop the mineral, until it comes back.
Maybe it would be best to stay on a mineral supplement indefinitely.  You may have an ongoing deficiency that only manifests as cramps once you have gotten down below a certain point.  Even when you aren't cramping, you may still need more than you are getting without supplementation, and that deficiency could be contributing to the fatigue problem directly or indirectly.

Quoted from SandrAruba
So tell me how do I heal my gut? I thought I was doing that with the deflect.
In addition to the other suggestions, perhaps some Genoma Security?

Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:28pm; Reply: 25
I don't have a source, but I have heard that if you feed the thyroid as if it is there, it will regrow in 10 to 15 years. Let me say again, I heard that but don't have a source. Probably worth some digging. :)
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:39pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from TJ
Linus Pauling Institute - Iodine

If you have no thyroid, and all your thyroid hormones are taken as medicine/supplements, I doubt you need any iodine in your diet.  AFAIK, the only part of the body to use iodine is the thyroid, and it is only used for the production of thyroid hormone, so if you can't produce any thyroid hormone internally...
Extrathyroidal Iodine

Sorry, NVM!  It seems that it is used elsewhere.

Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:47pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Andrea would that be your recommendation for BT O as well, the Gastro D for 3 months and then the others? I want to focus on my gut as well. I'm using Intrinsa and Deflect O now...but maybe I should stop those and do the Gastro D?

SandrAruba I wish I had something to add here. I understand what your going through because I'm going through some serious fatigue right now as well. My stomach is mostly ok unless I eat things I'm not supposed to, or that I learn my body doesn't like, but that might be secondary to the BOG mentioned here. I can't take Harmonia either, I get instant pain in my liver region...so my fiance, who is also an O takes it ;D He's used to taking whatever I can't ;D...LOL.

I can see healing going on especially in my skin and hair, so I know that is going on, on the inside as well, and I think that healing could be part of my fatigue, which I think is improving just a bit. Sleep is so important, can you take naps during the day? I'm compulsive about my sleep because if I don't get it I'm a wreck emotionally, and physically, it's not pretty... ;) Lights are out at 10 and if I don't have a good night, I stay in bed until 8-ish that seems to work for me. I don't know what your schedule is but if you can make it a priority not saying you don't, I think you're going to notice some improvement, in addition to working on the gut of course...wish you well, sorry you're suffering, I know it's no fun :( :)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:55pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from AKArtlover
You both are here so much-- sometimes it's different new people that you are repeating yourself to, and sometimes long time people still having issues. Takes awhile here, too, for new people to sort out what is a person's individual experience and what applies to yourself as an individual-- as well as what REALLY applies to everyone. Discernment.  ;) Learning, learning.


Posted by: balletomane, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 3:18pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from SandrAruba


I am starting to wonder why even bother... I know that doing this diet has helped me tremendously (think my monthly issues that have gotten so much less) and my mental clarity is so much better. I suppose it's just a bump I have to get through. Probably caused by this fatigue that I just don't seem to be able to rationalize things as well.


Sandra, I am going through a sort of impasse or frustrating moment myself, so I can totally relate to how you feel. I just want to give you my moral support and to share that I am trying to take the long view that our way of living is worth pursuing even though progress might come ever so slowly. As you mentioned, your monthly issues have gotten much better and your mental clarity is improving. These are no small achievements. So maybe what you're going through is a healing crisis. And from my own experience I know that poor sleep really hinders good healing.

For fatigue, may I suggest a very specific form of meditation--Transcendental Meditation--which gives you a kind of deep rest that has a higher quality than sleep itself. You have to experience it to understand what I'm talking about. Every time I do it, I get an extra boost of energy in a way that nothing else can give me, plus superb mental clarity, as if the mind has taken a shower  ;) You can find more information here: http://www.tm.org

If TM is not readily available where you are, you might consider an alternative, Natural Stress Relief meditation, which was started by former TM teachers who want to bring the technique to as many people as possible through affordable means. Now I have not tried this myself but I assume the technique is similar. It's possible to learn it by yourself at home. Here is the link: http://www.nsrusa.org/home.php
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 3:49pm; Reply: 30
Yes I would recommend everyone to take the Gastro d for two to three months.... then move from there to the other supplements. ;)

I test gut bacteria and very rarely do I find one person that is all zeros, they are mostly O's but even they will benefit from the gastro D.
:)
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Saturday, July 30, 2011, 4:06pm; Reply: 31
Thanks Andrea I'm going to do that!!  ;D ;)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 4:11pm; Reply: 32
;)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 5:25pm; Reply: 33
Andrea, I had already read about the Gastro D suggestion and I have it. Was planning on starting it when I was finished with my fatigue protocol, but I started with it this morning. I am still going ahead with the fatigue protocol, I don't want to stop that now, because I do feel it is helping stay asleep better.

I already read about TM, but there is no one here on the island to help me with that, so I read all I could and am trying some form of meditation 4 times a week. For the rest of the week I just try to find a quiet half hour every day, preferably in my back yard and I just sit, clear my mind and try only to listen to the birds. I try not to think of anything but just sit and enjoy nature. usually when I do that, my dogs and cats come and join me and they lay around me completely relaxed. And that helps me relax a bit more as well.

As for my thyroid, half of it was taken out and of the other half they said I would not have it anymore in a few years since it was all infected (autoimmune). Right after my operation I started BTD, so I am hoping that there is something still left of it. I do notice that when I take enough iodine, I do feel better. So perhaps there still is some left.

I appreciate all the support you guys!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 5:41pm; Reply: 34
Gastro d is on sale this month on the website, and as Angela said the fatigue and the intestinal health are not mutually exclusive.

I think always fix the gut first then, see what is left over that needs attention.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 6:20pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Gastro d is on sale this month on the website, and as Angela said the fatigue and the intestinal health are not mutually exclusive.

I think always fix the gut first then, see what is left over that needs attention.


Just bought Gastro D combined with Intrinsa today.

I am dedicating myself to faithfully taking Gastro D for 3 months starting today....2 pills 2x a day
and will let you all know my progress the end of October.  Just realized Gastro D contains
bentonite clay...which helps to absorb toxins.  It's almost like a lightbulb when on when I started
reading this thread....In my heart of hearts, I know it's all about the gut....but I wasn't faithfully
dedicating 3 months to taking Gastro D.

Starting over again!  :)

Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Saturday, July 30, 2011, 6:32pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Chloe


Just bought Gastro D combined with Intrinsa today.

I am dedicating myself to faithfully taking Gastro D for 3 months starting today....2 pills 2x a day
and will let you all know my progress the end of October.  Just realized Gastro D contains
bentonite clay...which helps to absorb toxins.  It's almost like a lightbulb when on when I started
reading this thread....In my heart of hearts, I know it's all about the gut....but I wasn't faithfully
dedicating 3 months to taking Gastro D.

Starting over again!  :)



Me too Chloe, thanks Andrea. ;D

Andrea I have another question, would you take the Genotype supplements at the same time or strictly work on the gut first..and then start them? I'm very excited about the outcome of this...thanks again  ;)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 11:50am; Reply: 37
Work on the gut... try not to jump from supplement to supplement.


One thing at a time and be patient.

Dr. D makes so much good stuff that want to take it all, but I have learned more is not always better.
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Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:24pm; Reply: 38
If it is appropriate nourishment, though, that is a good thing ALWAYS. Please consider gettting an appropriate multi vitamin, multi mineral, and some type of appropriate oil (fish, flax, krill, etc) at minimum. Dr. D's supps are quality IMO. Harmonia is a food. The sprouts are foods. Nourish your body. Repopulate the good flora.

As Andrea said, jumping around from this to that- I think of that more in the specialty stuff. Also beware anything synthetic.

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As for my thyroid, half of it was taken out and of the other half they said I would not have it anymore in a few years since it was all infected (autoimmune).


Beware of what you choose to believe. Sometimes doctors also like to write death certificates before they have a corpse.

If someone told me this, I would tell them thanks for their opinion and do everything in my power to support and nourish my body. Mental, physical, emotional.
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Sunday, July 31, 2011, 3:25pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Work on the gut... try not to jump from supplement to supplement.


One thing at a time and be patient.

Dr. D makes so much good stuff that want to take it all, but I have learned more is not always better.
8)


Thanks Andrea, that makes sense! It feels good to have a focus and a place to start..;) looking forward to the resuts.. :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 40
The Gastro D info reads that it is for O nonnies especially, you are a tough bunch.
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Posted by: SandrAruba, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 3:40pm; Reply: 41
I just checked the ingredients on the Gastro-D and it has Mastic Gum in it. Mastic Gum is a black dot on my swami. So since I won't be taking it the rest of my life, I don't see it will give a whole lot of problems.

One other thing that it has is Safflower tops. Now Safflower oil is a avoid for me, not only that I am highly allergic to it. It gives me a horrible rash with itch and takes weeks for it to disappear.

So can someone assure me that I will not have the same reaction to safflower tops? I am not willing to experiment at this point and just try and see if I get a reaction. If I was feeling well, I would have no problem doing just that, but not right now.

And I can report that last night I slept for 7 hours straight. That does the body and mind good.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 3:46pm; Reply: 42
Good on sleep! I would contact DPN tomorrow and ask. Often different parts of the plant are different.

There is more than one way to accomplish a goal.
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Sunday, July 31, 2011, 3:58pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
The Gastro D info reads that it is for O nonnies especially, you are a tough bunch.
:)


LOL you can say that again! ;) Wish I'd have found this diet years ago  :)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, July 31, 2011, 7:28pm; Reply: 44
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About 1912 it was recognized that there were to be found in the intestinal content of both apparently healthy as well as diseased people a class of bacilli which had hiterto been considered unimportant, but which were then proved to be associated with chronic disease...

Dr. Edward Bach, 1929

http://www.amazon.com/Original-Writings-Edward-Bach-Compiled/dp/0852072309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312140205&sr=8-1

Following the white rabbit is fun.  :)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 12:03am; Reply: 45
Quoted from AKArtlover
If it is appropriate nourishment, though, that is a good thing ALWAYS. Please consider gettting an appropriate multi vitamin, multi mineral, and some type of appropriate oil (fish, flax, krill, etc) at minimum. Dr. D's supps are quality IMO. Harmonia is a food. The sprouts are foods. Nourish your body. Repopulate the good flora.



I'll just focus on the right foods. Get as many diamonds in this body as I can. And I'll just stick to a few supps (mineral, vitamin and my cortiguard and deflect). Like I already I don't use supps unless there is really something wrong and I need extra help. While I did not sleep great last night (although I think I did get a full 6 hours), I am feeling a bit more energetic. And that is good.

So I'll keep on this track as it seems to be helping after all. Perhaps it was a matter of getting worse before you get better.

Btw I was planning on mailing about the safflower tops vs oil, but this morning I woke up with a huge rash on my arm. I think that's my answer.
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