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Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 1, 2011, 3:10am
There is alot of controversy about sweetners - artificial or not.  I've used agave nectar in the past and also turbinado sugar.

I recently read about coconut sugar being all natural and certified organic.  I purchased a bag from WF (very pricey indeed) and was curious if it had any "coconutty" aftertaste.  

It is said to have a low glycemic index (good for diabetics).  Since I use one teaspoon of sugar in my coffee in the AM and also a little bit on cereal I wanted to give it a try.

I have used honey also but find I can only use it on certain foods.  

Realistically, I should wean myself off all sugar but I find I'm having a hard time doing that.

Joy
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 1, 2011, 4:32am; Reply: 1
not rated food items consider neutral unless you were susceptible

The most recent rating of a food can be found using typebase:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm
Read about the non secretor issue
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:32pm; Reply: 2
The bottom line is that sweeteners are unhealthy except in very small portions. If you're having two  teaspoons of sugar per day, and you don't have diabetes or yeast overgrowth, then you're probably doing fine. If you find yourself having several tablespoons of sugar a day, then you really need to cut  back.

Coconut sugar isnt' rated. If you get coconut milk/meat as neutral or better, then I'd be comfortable saying that coconut sugar is definitely fine for you. If coconut meat is an avoid or black dot, you need to be more cautious- the sugar itself may not be a problem even if whole coconut is, or it may still be bad for you personally. See how you feel when you consume it.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:49pm; Reply: 3
Just wanted to point out that coconut sugar is made from the sap/nectar found in coconut flowers.  It is not derived from coconuts.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:52pm; Reply: 4
Ah, so in that case, I amend my advice.

Whether or not coconut is good on your food list, consider this to be an unrated food, and tread carefully. Start with a small amount and see how it makes you feel. If you do well on it, keep using it. If you don't feel good, stop using it.
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 1, 2011, 9:12pm; Reply: 5
Thanks, C-Sharp for the clarification about coconut sugar.  I read about it on another site but it didn't specify where it came from.

This just might work out fine as a sweetner.


Joy
Posted by: grey rabbit, Friday, July 1, 2011, 9:40pm; Reply: 6
Quoted Text
was curious if it had any "coconutty" aftertaste.  
Well, does it?
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 1, 2011, 9:46pm; Reply: 7
GR,

C Sharp clued me in that coconut sugar is derived from the nectar of the coconut flower.  

And to answer your question - no, it does not at all have the flavor of coconut.  It's less sugary tasting to me than say turbinado sugar.

Joy
Posted by: grey rabbit, Friday, July 1, 2011, 9:59pm; Reply: 8
If it doesn't taste like coconut I don't think I'd bother, what is the point when we are trying to move sugar out of the picture anyway? I try to keep sugars down to <15g per day.
Posted by: balletomane, Saturday, July 2, 2011, 3:38am; Reply: 9
I buy "Palm Sugar" for my husband to replace the brown sugar he used to add to his coffee. He has a couple of tsp every day and it doesn't seem to bother him  ;) This palm sugar comes from the sap of palm trees grown in Indonesia (but not coconut, I believe). It also has a low G.I. I figure this would be better than cane sugar anyway (assuming it's neutral), since sugar is rated an avoid for non-secretors.
Posted by: Joy, Saturday, July 2, 2011, 4:21am; Reply: 10
Balletomane,

Palm sugar is new to me but so is coconut sugar.  At least its not made in a laboratory!


Joy
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, July 2, 2011, 4:31am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Joy
Balletomane,

Palm sugar is new to me but so is coconut sugar.  At least its not made in a laboratory!


Joy


I thought that coconut sugar and palm sugar were the same thing, but I just found this:
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Although the names are used interchangeably, palm sugar and coconut sugar are not the same. One comes from the palmyra or sugar palm and the other from coconut palm, but both are produced from the sweet, watery sap that drips from cut flower buds. The sap is collected each morning and boiled in huge woks on the plantations until a sticky sugar remains. This is whipped and dropped in lumps on cellophane, or filled into containers. Because it is not highly processed like brown sugar, the color, consistency, flavor and level of sweetness can vary from batch to batch, even within the same brand.
Posted by: purlgirl, Monday, July 4, 2011, 7:01am; Reply: 12
I learn something new everytime I check in.    :)
Posted by: Dianne, Monday, February 11, 2013, 9:18pm; Reply: 13
Good info to know. Thanks everyone!  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, February 11, 2013, 9:38pm; Reply: 14
Dr. Oz had a segment on his show awhile back using coconut sugar...He claimed it's a perfect replacement for sugar and doesn't raise blood sugar....I find it almost impossible to believe it doesn't impact blood sugar at all given its sweetness.....I bought a bag of coconut sugar and baked muffins and cookies with it...tastes exactly like sugar, not coconut-y whatsoever and my final result was excellent....but we still don't know if those who can have coconut oil can have coconut sugar.  And we can't be sure if it's going to be perceived by the body as a sugar or something else.

http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/blogs/dr-oz-recommends-coconut-sugar

http://www.sugarcoconut.com/faqs.html
Posted by: badabing, Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:01pm; Reply: 15
I was also wondering the same thing, I just posted a question about it. Sometimes I like to bake things and crystalized sugar works better than agave, so I thought coconut sugar would be good. So is everyone saying that it is okay depending on how you feel after? It's gotta be better than white sugar I would think, right?
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 2:15am; Reply: 16
Quoted from C_Sharp
Just wanted to point out that coconut sugar is made from the sap/nectar found in coconut flowers.  It is not derived from coconuts.


Thanks for pointing this out; I had no idea! :o
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 2:17am; Reply: 17
Quoted from badabing
I was also wondering the same thing, I just posted a question about it. Sometimes I like to bake things and crystalized sugar works better than agave, so I thought coconut sugar would be good. So is everyone saying that it is okay depending on how you feel after? It's gotta be better than white sugar I would think, right?


I bake with date sugar, and often just soaked dates. I've been off of sugar for long enough that I don't need my foods to be that sweet to feel satisfied.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:58pm; Reply: 18
Dates are an "avoid" for me. I've eaten them occasionally anyway, and they spike my blood sugar just as badly as refined white sugar!
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:26pm; Reply: 19
Today I baked apples using vegetable glycerin and the result was very good....just drizzled a little
VG into the hole of the apple which I filled with water, seasoned with ginger, cinnamon, allspice and added a little water on the bottom of the pan.  Covered the pan and baked for about 40 minutes.

I often take some dried fruit like apricots, prunes, apples, cranberries, blueberries and put them in  a pot with water....When fruit has absorbed liquid and all fruit is soft, I put it into a food processor to make a puree, then refrigerate...Lasts a long while in the 'fridge. Works especially well to replace all sweeteners when baking muffins.  Works in dense cookies like oatmeal...Works great on top of hot cooked cereal.  Is awesome when combining with a package of silken tofu in a blender or food processor...Makes a yummy pudding.  

Real sugar tastes horribly sweet to me. I'd rather eat pureed fruit.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, April 1, 2013, 3:34am; Reply: 20
I often eat a fair bit of dark chocolate with no ill effects, but since Easter started, I have been eating some chocolate made from organic raw cacao which I was given, that contains coconut sugar & have had a killer backache most of the weekend ::) Wondering if it is the coconut sugar, as I haven't eaten much else different! I have been taking plenty of magnesium (& actually more than usual, since raw cacao has a high amount) We also sleep on a magnetic underlay & I haven't had any backache for ages?!
Posted by: Debra, Monday, April 1, 2013, 11:59am; Reply: 21
Very interesting thread! Thanks for all the info. Sorry about your back, Possum! No idea what that could be.  :-/
Posted by: Possum, Monday, April 1, 2013, 11:05pm; Reply: 22
Thanks for your comment & concern Debra... I am thinking it is now the sulphites in some tapioca starch that is more likely the culprit tbh & added to another thread re this... Sure makes me now appreciate how much my back *had* improved/been pain free for the last year ::) ;)
Posted by: rosa, Sunday, May 25, 2014, 3:51pm; Reply: 23
Trying to find 'compliant' sweeteners that work for the occasional time I bake cakes or biscuits for the family. I don't mind too much the 'after-taste' of stevia, although family members very much do!!
So, when I saw that coconut-sugar is available in my local supermarket I'm tempted to try it, though it is pricey :o
Does anyone know the equivalent amount of coconut-sugar which can be substituted for regular sugar in recipes?
Posted by: Xuxuzinha, Tuesday, July 1, 2014, 10:41am; Reply: 24
Hi guys,

I thought I'd let you know that coconut sugar caramelises and can be used together with fresh yeast. So quite the perfect replacement for sugar.
Posted by: sk8ter, Tuesday, July 1, 2014, 1:15pm; Reply: 25
I am also following this thread with interest...I love my local honey but it sure spikes my blood sugar levels!



Lawrence
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, July 1, 2014, 2:10pm; Reply: 26
I am reading a book called The Great Cholesterol Myth by Johnny Bowden, Ph.D., C.N.S. and Stephen Sinatra, M.D., F.A.C.C. (he is a cardiologist) and it appears from reading this book that ALL SUGAR is bad.

http://authoritynutrition.com/coconut-sugar/

This article pretty much says the same thing.  Sugar is addictive and should be weaned from on's diet.  It is nothing more than empty calories that pack a very destructive punch over the long term.  REading this book will really put you off sugar.  While some may argue that the theories posited in the above referenced book could be considered a one-size-fits-all approach to a healthy heart, I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.
Posted by: flynn, Monday, September 7, 2015, 11:52am; Reply: 27
This is only my second week&stevia is an avoid for B's.What about palm sugar as a substitute? Honey&agave have such high calories to use in my morning coffee.
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Monday, September 7, 2015, 1:47pm; Reply: 28
I use coconut sugar in baking sometimes it has a nice caramel flavour
Posted by: san j, Monday, September 7, 2015, 4:41pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Patty H
I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.

For all Non-Secretors, that is.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?409

Posted by: Patty H, Monday, September 7, 2015, 7:49pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from san j


While it may be considered neutral for secretors, it can cause a whole host of problems related to diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, cancer, etc.  There is a lot of information out there concerning the use and overuse of sugar.  It is an addictive substance and the more you eat, the more your want.   It has ZERO nutritive value and just adds calories and weight.  Since all carbs metabolize to sugar, eliminating sugar in any form other than from complex carbohydrates is a great first step towards health, wellness and weight control - just my humble opinion.  Cancer cells feed on sugar.  Heart disease, diabetes and metabolic syndrome can develop due to overuse of sugar and are all made worse by sugar.

I am not advocating that one needs to give it up altogether - an occasional dessert is ok - but to use sugar as a daily sweetener is asking for trouble because there is no daily allowance for sugar since it has no nutritive value.  This article says that only 10% of all calories should come from sugar.  Here is the article.  

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2013/02/lets-ask-marion-whats-the-recommended-daily-allowance-of-sugar/

If you have any questions or concerns about the dangers of eating sugar, please watch Robert Lustig's video, Sugar: The Bitter Truth.  Hopefully it will help you to re-think your daily use of sugar as an added sweetener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Posted by: san j, Monday, September 7, 2015, 8:32pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from san j
Quoted from Patty H
I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.

For all Non-Secretors, that is.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?409

The Bloodtype Diet actually "rates" sugar as a neutral for all secretors (i.e., approx. 80% of all humanity) per this site's TypeBase page and the books.
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Monday, September 7, 2015, 9:51pm; Reply: 32
Agree patty not to mention sugar is the primary cause of inflammation in the body
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, September 7, 2015, 10:36pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from san j

The Bloodtype Diet actually "rates" sugar as a neutral for all secretors (i.e., approx. 80% of all humanity) per this site's TypeBase page and the books.[/quote]

Yes - I saw your other post with the typebase rating.  That still does not mean that one should consume sugar daily.  It is the cause of many major, serious health issues.  It is surprising to me that typebase rates it a neutral for secretors, given all that is now known about the negative effects of sugar consumption.  What typebase does not tell is what amount of sugar one should consume daily.  That would be good to know.  I imagine that Dr. D still wants secretors to consume very small amounts of sugar, given its complete lack of nutritive value and its well-known impact on disease.
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, September 7, 2015, 10:37pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from BTypeAUS
Agree patty not to mention sugar is the primary cause of inflammation in the body


Yes - and inflammation is where most diseases begin.
Posted by: Mother, Tuesday, September 8, 2015, 2:42pm; Reply: 35
TypeBase may rate sugar as neutral for secretors but my SWAMI rates sugar, white and brown as black dots. serving is 0-1tsp as needed.  It is an avoid for me obviously but was for many years before I was diabetic. Their are zero health benefits from consuming sugar and you're just fooling yourself if you think there is. It's just  a legal form of 'crack', haha
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, September 8, 2015, 4:23pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Mother
TypeBase may rate sugar as neutral for secretors but my SWAMI rates sugar, white and brown as black dots. serving is 0-1tsp as needed.  It is an avoid for me obviously but was for many years before I was diabetic. Their are zero health benefits from consuming sugar and you're just fooling yourself if you think there is. It's just  a legal form of 'crack', haha


Now this makes more sense - having sugar as a black dot or avoid rather than neutral.  I would imagine that the more up-to-date information found in one's SWAMI, based upon the latest research and medical information, is a more accurate rating for a empty food like sugar.

Also, as I stated above, it is not just the rating on the food, but the frequency value that I think can often get ignored.  If one consumes ANY processed foods at all, you can almost be sure that sugar is added.
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, September 8, 2015, 5:10pm; Reply: 37
Watermelon is a diamond for me, but I have to carefully watch my portions. I hate the feeling when I have eaten too much sugar of ANY kind, and plain old sugar is poison itself. But I was aware of this long before I heard of BTD/SWAMI. I learned when I was fourteen that sugar was not my friend.
Posted by: Spring, Tuesday, September 8, 2015, 5:13pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Patty H
Now this makes more sense - having sugar as a black dot or avoid rather than neutral.  I would imagine that the more up-to-date information found in one's SWAMI, based upon the latest research and medical information, is a more accurate rating for a empty food like sugar.

Also, as I stated above, it is not just the rating on the food, but the frequency value that I think can often get ignored.  If one consumes ANY processed foods at all, you can almost be sure that sugar is added.

All sugars are avoids (toxins) for me on SWAMI. Makes all the sense in the world to me too.
Posted by: TheGameChanger, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 3:21am; Reply: 39
Well -- still, even if it is from a coconut flower.....the genus of the plant itself is coconut. It's plant nectar. I can have coconut meat so I know this sugar is not a total avoid for me. And it's great that it can be crystalized. But concerning the healthiness of sugars in general......wow I have had so much more of a positive experience using my beneficial honey in my morning tea instead of neutral stevia all the time. I feel it in the energy and brightness of my outlook afterwards.

I just found one of Possum's posts on this thread. Makes me feel wistful. Hugs to you, ((((((((Possie))))))) where you are.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 4:20am; Reply: 40
Quoted from Patty H
I think the Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type Diet rate sugar as pretty much bad for all.
Quoted from san j

Hi, Patty H.
Last week I saw your post claiming that the BTD had rated a food item differently from TypeBase, so I linked to TypeBase. Period.

Now I see that that post of mine, quoted above in its entirety, was responded to by you with tangents: links and defenses and the assumption that I need "help" "re-think[ing my] daily use of sugar as an added sweetener"  ??)
I simply referred the Forum to TypeBase and provided the link. And that's how you responded to me.
Whatever you read into my post, and wherever you went with that, including your advice (about a problem I don't have, BTW), I see your passion, but I don't see its relation to my post. I showed how you had mischaracterized the BTD's actual rating of sugar - that's all. Nothing about sugar's properties, dangers, whatever.  ::)
I don't know if - by coming out with all guns blazing - you're trying to deter people from checking sources or what. I sure hope no one will ever feel browbeaten and afraid to check sources here; it makes for a much richer thread...normally.  :)


For reference: Here's your response to my TypeBase link - nothing added, nothing subtracted:

Quoted from Patty H
While it may be considered neutral for secretors, it can cause a whole host of problems related to diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, cancer, etc.  There is a lot of information out there concerning the use and overuse of sugar.  It is an addictive substance and the more you eat, the more your want.   It has ZERO nutritive value and just adds calories and weight.  Since all carbs metabolize to sugar, eliminating sugar in any form other than from complex carbohydrates is a great first step towards health, wellness and weight control - just my humble opinion.  Cancer cells feed on sugar.  Heart disease, diabetes and metabolic syndrome can develop due to overuse of sugar and are all made worse by sugar.

I am not advocating that one needs to give it up altogether - an occasional dessert is ok - but to use sugar as a daily sweetener is asking for trouble because there is no daily allowance for sugar since it has no nutritive value.  This article says that only 10% of all calories should come from sugar.  Here is the article.  

http://www.foodpolitics.com/2013/02/lets-ask-marion-whats-the-recommended-daily-allowance-of-sugar/

If you have any questions or concerns about the dangers of eating sugar, please watch Robert Lustig's video, Sugar: The Bitter Truth.  Hopefully it will help you to re-think your daily use of sugar as an added sweetener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 2:03pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from san j
[/quote]
Hi, Patty H.
Last week I saw your post claiming that the BTD had rated a food item differently from TypeBase, so I linked to TypeBase. Period.

Now I see that that post of mine, quoted above in its entirety, was responded to by you with tangents: links and defenses and the assumption that I need "help" "re-think[ing my] daily use of sugar as an added sweetener"  ??)
I simply referred the Forum to TypeBase and provided the link. And that's how you responded to me.
Whatever you read into my post, and wherever you went with that, including your advice (about a problem I don't have, BTW), I see your passion, but I don't see its relation to my post. I showed how you had mischaracterized the BTD's actual rating of sugar - that's all. Nothing about sugar's properties, dangers, whatever.  ::)
I don't know if - by coming out with all guns blazing - you're trying to deter people from checking sources or what. I sure hope no one will ever feel browbeaten and afraid to check sources here; it makes for a much richer thread...normally.  :)


For reference: Here's your response to my TypeBase link - nothing added, nothing subtracted:



To each his/her own, San j.  I believe sugar does more harm and zero good and research and nutritional science backs this up.  I wasn't chastising you or trying to correct you - I was simply stating my opinion based on other books and research I have read.  I also agreed that you were correct and Typebase rates it as neutral for secretors, so why the defensiveness?  

I recommended that people look at the frequencies as well.  Sugar is just empty calories that can cause a series of very serious health problems, not to mention add unwanted weight.  Why the need for sweeteners?  Why not allow the food or beverage one consumes to stand on its own without doctoring it up with sugar.   This is supposed to be a "healthy food diet", after all.  Sugar certainly does not fall into the category of a "healthy food".  It's addictive as well.

But again, if you choose to eat sugar daily, go for it.
Posted by: Mother, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 2:18pm; Reply: 42
Wow, over reaction SanJ ?

I don't see where Patty even mentioned your name and certainly can't find any 'guns blazing'.
I believe she simply stated facts and even added the words 'just my humble opinion'.

Why is everything picked apart and argued? Bickering is so unbecoming
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 2:49pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from TheGameChanger
Well -- still, even if it is from a coconut flower.....the genus of the plant itself is coconut. It's plant nectar. I can have coconut meat so I know this sugar is not a total avoid for me. And it's great that it can be crystalized. But concerning the healthiness of sugars in general......wow I have had so much more of a positive experience using my beneficial honey in my morning tea instead of neutral stevia all the time. I feel it in the energy and brightness of my outlook afterwards.

I just found one of Possum's posts on this thread. Makes me feel wistful. Hugs to you, ((((((((Possie))))))) where you are.

I get my "fix" from a very small serving of watermelon. When I was quoting SWAMI about SUGAR that didn't include honey, agave, maple syrup, molasses or barley malt which I can have by the teaspoonful.

I miss Possum too. I was thinking about her this week.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 3:41pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Patty H
But again, if you choose to eat sugar daily, go for it.

You too.  :)
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, September 12, 2015, 4:23pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from san j

You too.  :)


I try to avoid sugar like the plague!  I don't add it to anything unless I am having company and making a dessert or asked to bring a dessert to someone's else's house.  That might be about 6 times per year.  I don't drink juice or soda or eat processed foods, so my daily "sugar load" is pretty low to zero - which is the way I like it.  Sometimes I eat fruit but not every day.
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