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Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 3:25pm
Had ultrasound, consultant got second opinion, fairly positive that i have a blood clot in my lower leg.

They recommended i see a A&E immediately and have injections and warifin to thin the blood for at least 3 months.

I told them i would pop back later after i did some of my own research.

So I need some pretty quiet responses please.


My thoughts. I have been in bed for 2 weeks due to illness so think the course is that plus infection.

I want to just strat exercising again and take lemon juice and any other natural remedy to ease this. then get a scan again in 3 months.

They want to inject now. so what do you all think

By the way in the meantime I'm taking a a whole lemon in 8 oz of water but how often do i need to take this. it's supposed to thin blood by 20 but for how long etc.

all help appreciated.

I'm 12 stone, 5'8" and in pretty good shape. but i do have UTI.

what supps should i stop taking and what ones should i start?

thanks again


Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 3:37pm; Reply: 1
Regarding swami, which bit if any should i tick to update foods for DVT's
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, June 13, 2011, 3:52pm; Reply: 2
PC,
Sorry I can't help with suggestions, but wish you the best with that leg.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:08pm; Reply: 3
Important to take the medical treatment.. please.
Posted by: maukik, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:18pm; Reply: 4
You need to be under the care of a doctor for a DVT.  Can you go to an ND?  Exercising could cause the clot to dislogde and cause a major problem.  Sorry, I can't be of more help from the natural medicine standpoint.  I am a currently non-practicing RN, so take it for what's it's worth.  If it were me I would also try to find something other than warfarin as an option.  You may not have other options in your health system.  

Did they diagnose what has made you sick for 2 weeks?

All the best.  Keep us posted.  
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:23pm; Reply: 5
This medical treatment, takes no account of blood type, no account of diet, or anything.

I'm blood type O, I eat a blood type diet. I don't smoke i don't drink,

I'm probably only in this position due to being off my feet for two weeks.

there are also loads of risks associated with the treatment in any event.

I'm looking for some reasons behind a decision rather than just a "take the medication"
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:25pm; Reply: 6
they have no idea what caused it and have no interest. they just want to give drugs and injections.

there are no naturpath anywhere near me unfortunately
Posted by: maukik, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:41pm; Reply: 7
There are risks with the treatment.  There are huge risks with a DVT.  You should be treated.  It is important to have your blood INR levels checked frequently to make sure your dosage is safe.
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:54pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Important to take the medical treatment.. please.


Yes extremely important. As a nurse I have never seen this kind of thing resolve without intervention, and the risk to your life is too great, you can always detox later...this is one of those times that medical intervention is necessary...and the sooner the better. Please no exercise or massage in the meantime...wish you all the best...so sorry this had to happen, I can only imagine how hard it is to have to go through the treatment. Good luck...
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 13, 2011, 5:00pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
This medical treatment, takes no account of blood type, no account of diet, or anything.

I'm blood type O, I eat a blood type diet. I don't smoke i don't drink,

I'm probably only in this position due to being off my feet for two weeks.

there are also loads of risks associated with the treatment in any event.

I'm looking for some reasons behind a decision rather than just a "take the medication"

PC  we do not live in a world where blood type matters  to anyone but us. You can do a phone consult with  Dr.D'Adamo if you want to take that route.
We are lay people who can give you our opinions  that is all.
  
You can end up with a pulmonary embolism and more clots, this is serious stuff.
Once you get treated you can then go back to your blood type diet.

In the hospital where I work we put special stockings on everyone who is on bed rest, they inflate and deflate to keep the blood moving.

PC... you have a daughter and a wife so it is even more important to take care of yourself.




Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2011, 5:05pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
they have no idea what caused it and have no interest. they just want to give drugs and injections.

there are no naturpath anywhere near me unfortunately


The cause is more than likely secondary to immobility from being so sick. The thing is that you might be keeping the remainder of your blood thin with the lemon juice, but the problem is that clot, it has to be lysed, and I just don't know if lemon juice will do that. If it mobilizes it can move into the pulmonary circulation, and cause a pulmonary embolism. This is what they want to prevent. Please do the treatment.

Posted by: Lin, Monday, June 13, 2011, 5:29pm; Reply: 11
PC, I'm hoping you have already gone to the hospital.  Once you are out their are supplements that will thin the blood to prevent more.
best of luck, Lin
Posted by: brinyskysail, Monday, June 13, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 12
I agree about not exercising.  the last thing you want is for the clot to dislodge.

Quoted Text
You can do a phone consult with  Dr.D'Adamo if you want to take that route.


That sounds like an awesome idea.  It would be difficult for him to really do anything since he can't physically see you, but he may be able to give some advice.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 13, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from 14428


but the problem is that clot, it has to be lysed, and I just don't know if lemon juice will do that. If it mobilizes it can move into the pulmonary circulation, and cause a pulmonary embolism. This is what they want to prevent. Please do the treatment.






(pray)(pray)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 6:02pm; Reply: 14
Went to the hospital, sake with the doctor, i said that as it was a below the knee DVT surely it is not as serious as an above the knee one, he agreed.

he even confired that some people with the same problem as me would not as a matter of course have the blood thinned - people with hip replacements etc. I glad he said that because that was what iwas going to say next.

So I said that i would like to take an alternative route to the wafarin ect. he said that if i wanted to that's was okay. He also saif tha warefin etc is pretty horrific so he kind of understood what i was thinking.

So that's what I'm going to do so if you would be kind enough to give me some details about thinning blood in detail i would appreciate it.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, June 13, 2011, 6:12pm; Reply: 15
Here is a site that talks about Natural Blood thinners - although nothing like dosages, etc...
http://www.ctds.info/natthinners.html
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 13, 2011, 6:24pm; Reply: 16
http://www.brighthub.com/health/diet-nutrition/articles/91647.aspx

Sardines :) :)
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Monday, June 13, 2011, 6:46pm; Reply: 17
This might be of interest. I have no experience or first-hand knowledge but have heard of Nattokinase and it's ability to dissolve excess fibrin...I wish you well. please keep us posted.
http://www.medical-library.net/nattokinase.html
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 7:20pm; Reply: 18
so tonight i took Explore catalyst, explorer Activator and fish oil formula.

I tool a lemon, bicarb, and water drink at about 4pm I'll have another before bed and another in the morning. I think 3 lemons a day is enough for anyone or until i read more.

I am also drinking a litre of cranberry juice a day. but when that runs out i will be taking capsules of cranberry, one a day. (this can't hurt the UTI.)

i think deflect is a good idea so i will take one of them a day from tomorrow.

I sall leave my olive leaf extract and all that for a few days to see how things go Worth my leg.

I just went for a short walk with Emily round to the shops to get some more lemons that the first time i have walked on my foot properly for a few weeks. my leg feels much better for that, so i will walk twice a day for the next week, slowly increasing distance.

I will have no avoids for the next week. and i am reintroducing beneficial that i had exclude from my diet due to them not wotking for Emily. i will fast track my diet to get this back in total SWAMI within a week.

pleae feel free to suggest more oxo
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 13, 2011, 7:29pm; Reply: 19
Thanks for those links, very useful oxo
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 13, 2011, 10:53pm; Reply: 20
OK here I go..

1 ) a blot clot can kill you..

2) currently as in right now, you have a propensity for more clots.. not all so far away as the leg..
........ you are still alive.. good for you at least we know what happened if we don't hear from you again..

3) by thinning out the blood you might also losen the clot.. the lemon thing according to the writing by DrD is to move blood around faster.. I think that excess of lemon is counter indicated for all sort of things.. read up more about the effects of to much for anyone and of O in partiqular..please..

4) get off all supps .. unless one of them is reccommended by DrD or his staff and then only with them consulting first with one of their doctors.. this is not good enough for a sales clerk to decide..
(I was sold 4 times the amount of one item in teh sups, and they never realized it..

5) A single clot in your foot can actually block blod flow to parts of your foot at which point it may require AMPUTAYION of that part of the foot.

6) my fear is that the clot might get torn lose because it is larger or smaller and then go to places you don't ever wish it to go.. happened to a friend who lost his leg over it.. on a 2 hours drive in his car.. emergency admittance to a hospital en route and being flown to a special hospital did not prevent the damage.. he is totally healthy otherwise..  

7) Your current interpretation that this clot formed because you where in bed.. cr.p : if that where so then half the world would be making clots.. so that is foulty thinking..

8) By now .. your self treatment of the UTI is ridiculous also.. a UTI for 2 weeks is by itself critical.. yes drink the juice, but even with all that washing out from the inside ..it has not been enough.. in the end you will risk becoming incontinent forever.. men don't know when they leak. but their clothes will tell so .. get real.. you don't want this at all .. a pill will not kill you.. but a UTI can be dangerous..

9) being self sufficient is ok, but obviously something went wrong with your progam so admit to it to your self and get help for now and then go back to SWAMI and do it right..

10) the very lemon or whatever you are eating may be the cause for diarhea.. sorry but that has NOTHING to do with UTI's.. DIFFERENT cause and different treatment needed.. you could try banans, rice and applesauce.. to replace some things missing inside..  and use a bidet if you have one..

11) never mind Em she is not you.. she will have many needs that you are not even coming close to understanding, no matter your intentions..

Is there not a mom present who could and would buy the things you need?? why is it such a struggle to shop  while you are ill?

12) Back to the leg..  if you start moving around TOOO MUUUCH -I think- it can cause the leg much more problems then you bargin for.. where is it written that you should move at all?  I dont mean doing some walking in the house.. or some walking in the yard, but even that is not part of treatment as far as I know..  

13) do you have the ENCYCLOPEDIA??? if yes look up all your conditions and symptoms, including mental inflexibility.. on issue we all have.. to some extent, but not at the cost of our health.

IS NOT the enclopedia listed in some place on this site? or are only the supps listed on the website?  *******

14) did you ever ask what causes a blood clot? what blood factor is involved that is not serving you..

15) are you eating peanuts?? did you ever? before you got UTI.. they cause UIT's when one eats to many over time.. Tried it and proved DrD right in his prediction..

OK : enof said.. . ****** I might look at some issues for you if you don't have access to it .. so let me know ....  

some items to consider.. : Lupus?
bacterial infection ..e koli.. is only one of many..
bowle toxicity. there are many .. what is your poliamine levels?
cancer prostate.. frequent urination is a symptom..or hyperplasia benign ..
cancer colorectal diarhea is a symptom..    
colitis..
cystitis in urine tract..
embolisms.. strokes
giardia

I think there are some that will or at least should be looked at..

what exactly is your fear? why not go to the hospital?? they would do all the tests and you could get some answers all at once instead of peacemeal. Is mom there to take care of Emily?

all the best as always.. goldie
Posted by: nowishow, Monday, June 13, 2011, 11:15pm; Reply: 21
Have you tried D-Mannose for the UTI? It works better for me than cranberry.
I also think Hawthorne helps with thinning the blood, I've been using it for about a year for heart related issues due to Lyme Disease and I believe it has helped. My blood is much thinner now but that can be due to a number of things I've been doing. I believe us nonnies tend to have thicker blood.
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-hawthorn-berry.html
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 12:12am; Reply: 22
My feeling is - same as Goldie - a UTI that lasts 2 weeks sounds serious - can cause kidney problems ??) I have never heard of one lasting that long seeing as you are treating it??!!

Also don't BT.0's have thin blood already? When I inadvertently took too much fish oil, combined with E & Evening Primrose Oil last year, I got massive & ongoing nosebleeds... ::)

Hope you get over this soon :o
Posted by: Curious, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 7:53am; Reply: 23
I want to reinforce what people have said before: A blot clot is very serious! If it dislodges, you are likely to end up dead. Apparently the first 2 weks after a clot has formed are the most dangerous because that is the time that the clot can dislodge. After 2 weeks it tends to be stuck to the wall of the vein and needs to be dissolved slowly (e.g. by using warfarin).

There are some people who have a predisposition/gene to getting clots. This can be tested, it is called 'Leiden' - here is a link: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/factorv.htm

I know all this because I have a friend who got a blood clot when he flew from Europe to visit me in Australia. He is very fit, very active and the doctor at the hospital was surprised, because it is normally sedentary people who develop blood clots.

However, as I said before, it is very serious and - if it was me - I would go along with the traditional treatment.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 8:56am; Reply: 24
Goldie, I went to the hospital, they did all the test - came back wth nothing!

The hospital was going to inect blood thinners and give me wafarin to thin the blood - But some now don't want me to thin my blood - make up your minds please.

the clot attachés itself tothe wall within 5-7 days i thought.


I had no issue with my leg prior to being in bed for 2 weeks

The UTI is i think all part and parcel with the bed rest, taking into account prostate problems and actually me drinking less water in error while i was running a temperature. there is now no pain there and I'm taking great care to address that.

the traditional treatment thins the blood, I'm doing that and being very careful about everything else i do.

Once i feel my body is balanced i will then start a course of antibacterial protocols.

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:57am; Reply: 25
Just in case it is not clear the swelling in my leg has completely gone. i just get a very very slight throbbing occasionally when i sit down after walking for a bit

any exercise i do will be very gentle. for example yesterday i walked at Emily's pace (she stops and looks at everything and anything) for a bout 1/2 a mile. today i will do that twice.

apart from that a feel fine. I am eating normally and have a a good appetite. I am eating as healthily as i ever have in my life, which has to account for something.

today I'll be studying more on DVT's. but I'm not sitting at my computer as much as i used to.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 10:14am; Reply: 26
so your life and health means little to nothing?

I would like to know who takes care of Em when you are laying in some hospital bed with a long lasting stroke?  .....

yes O's have thin blood that is why having a clot is not about thinning blood but having the correct balance so it does not clot.. is that so hard to understand?  

I am really concerened that you are so thick  headed.  For two weks everyone here asked about sensible acceptance of what is common modern abilty to take care of our body when it fails to do so itself... going back to the dark ages is far from NORMAL thinking.  We are not living longer healthier because we go in the forrest and pick bear dung to treat you nor me. Medicine has its issues, but so does thinking that we on the outside have all the answers..  

I am not certain if you can find on ND who might have alternative treatments available and is willing to put her licence at risk to treat you.  She can be almost certain that you will be doing your own thing, which may be ok to some degree, but not with a serious ILLNESS - that is what you have, like it or not..

A course of medical treatment does not have to be forever.. it is there where you can help the doctors by asking questions, by suggesting that you will eat right and give your body a chance to help it self.  whatever happened happend because there was oppotiunity for it to happen.

No one in this day and age lays in bed with temperature for more then on hour or two.. temp only happens with a serious infection.. (your thoat)  how do you know it was not strep?  You had 3 serious issue going on, what is your bladder issue from? a cyst, a tumor, or on infection?

You say they found nothing in your tests?  what test did they take? exactly?  No one has pee pain without a cause.. even begnin causes matter in the long run.  What is your PSI?  or your inflammation blood levels? having had one clot so far you don't kno how amny others are throughout your body.. O's have a propensity for heart issues, especially after a clot has formed once already.. How much vit A are you getting in your foods or supps??

PLEASE care for your self by seing on ND and on MD.. both are needed for your health and well being.. NOW.. later is later this is now.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 10:53am; Reply: 27
Goldie, I don't sgree with you no matter how many times you keep saying these things. and personally the reference to my not caring about Emily is not appreciated, no matter how well meaning, Which i know you are.

a few on here remnd me of oppressive doctors and medical workers who insist that we should take vaccines when the information suggest otherwise yet thet play on the conscience regarding hurting children. zealotry by any other name.

God forbid I should die, about half a £ million on insurance will go some way to helping my family plus absolutely no debt.

Of Course it's It is all about risk. it stuns me that when doctors say a blood clot must be cured with drugs alone that everyone believes it is as simple as that. I have been looking at the statistics, they don't add up, I'm not just taking a guess at all this.

may i respectively suggest that you read about the difference between BELOW the knee DVT's and above the KNEE dvt's. mine is BELOW the knee.

also one of the cause of this is specifically being off your feet for a long time. like me being ill in bed.

There is NO ongoing swelling, so something is fixing itself, as i believe the body id designed to do.

also the reason that I'm taking the lemon jucie an bicarb. is because (due to copying Emily's diet) my own diet has been VERY low in food with salicylates (blood thinners by any other name) so I'm mearly correcting that.

If there was a ND any where near me I WOULD SEE THEM, as i keep saying, there isn't so i can't.


I don't trust the drugs industry, and I'm not going to change on that one.

the alternative is to eat whatever i like including any avoid and then take the medication
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 11:43am; Reply: 28
Hi PC.

I have not read the entire thread.

BTD/GTD and modern medicine can and do work together. There are some times that medicine is the best option. It's not a choice between one or the other.

Use medicine where appropriate, alternatives when appropriate, and eat right so that both have improved results.
Posted by: greenman, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 12:04pm; Reply: 29
keep a close watch on your leg.
this can be associated with the uti as was the case with my mother.
Did they check your kidney function?
Did they scan you for kidney stones etc?
You might see another thread where I got great advice from the forum and support,
but PC we have gone through a terrible time due to really the docs not paying enough attention at xmas.
If you do have to go down the anti biotic route then you can build yourself up afterwards using btd/genotype foods/strategies.
Hope you get better soon
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 12:12pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from greenman
keep a close watch on your leg. I AM
this can be associated with the uti as was the case with my mother. hOW SO EXACTLY?
Did they check your kidney function? NO THEY DID NOT, THEY DIDN'T EVEN CHECK PROSTRATE, THEY ONLY CONFIRMED uti BY SAMPLE OF URINE AND DIP TEST.
Did they scan you for kidney stones etc? NO THEY DID NOT
You might see another thread where I got great advice from the forum and support,
but PC we have gone through a terrible time due to really the docs not paying enough attention at xmas. I FEEL FOR YOU AND YOU MUM,
If you do have to go down the anti biotic route then you can build yourself up afterwards using btd/genotype foods/strategies. I AM CONFIDENT THAT I WILL NOT NEED ANTIBIOTICS. IF IT IS NOT ALL SORTED IN A WEEK I WILL USE A NATURAL ANTIBIOTIC REMEDY, WHICH HAS THE SAME EFFECT BUT WITHOU THE SIDE EFFECTS.
Hope you get better soon
tHANKS.

EXCUSE CAPS,

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 12:15pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from 14428
This might be of interest. I have no experience or first-hand knowledge but have heard of Nattokinase and it's ability to dissolve excess fibrin...I wish you well. please keep us posted.
http://www.medical-library.net/nattokinase.html


Is there any infor in relation to this product and blood type - I causios to use a soy based prodcut being and BT O. not that i think i need to use it just at the moment.
Posted by: greenman, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 12:50pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from greenman
keep a close watch on your leg.
this can be associated with the uti as was the case with my mother. Apparently it is another symptom of kidney failure. She had a dvt there in the past so they put if down to that, however after alot of arguing and pleading they finally admitted it. don't now the science about this.

Did they check your kidney function? absolutely stunned that they did not do blood teststhey seem to be just doing the old fashioned urine tests and send you on your way with anti-biotics. They did this to us for years. As a medic friend of mine said when they heard it that throwing antibiotics at a problem continually is not finidng the cause of the problem

Did they scan you for kidney stones etc? try and get this done, you can get it done privately in the south for a couple of hundred euro, your GP should be on top of this
You might see another thread where I got great advice from the forum and support,
but PC we have gone through a terrible time due to really the docs not paying enough attention at xmas.
If you do have to go down the anti biotic route then you can build yourself up afterwards using btd/genotype foods/strategies.
Hope you get better soon


Have a look at your self and this is not meant in a bad way,
have you noticed any changes in your personality, has there been a change, have you gone from cheerful to moody? Is your thinking strange? Have a close look at your self and write down all the changes and try and discuss them with a doctor. These can all be signs of kidney failure, I had this battle with doctors on behalf of my mother. I know how difficult it is to get a decent doctor in this country north or south so I feel your pain. My main reason for concern is that I don't want you ending up the same way we did and nearly lose her. I am not been overdramatic and appreciate the age difference here, we followed what the doctors told us for years and I feel stupid now as they were just treating here and not looking for the cause.

I don't know which specific tests that you should be getting hopefully the forum members may be of help, they are all good guys and girls here and really care and are very knowledgeable. If it still continues try and get a consult with a good urologist. Also understand doctors looking at you if you had two heads when you mentioned btd abd blood thinning. I am sure our good dr. d has a million stories like this.
Good luck
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 1:30pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from greenman


Have a look at your self and this is not meant in a bad way,
have you noticed any changes in your personality, has there been a change, have you gone from cheerful to moody? Is your thinking strange?
Have a close look at your self and write down all the changes and try and discuss them with a doctor. These can all be signs of kidney failure, I had this battle with doctors on behalf of my mother. I know how difficult it is to get a decent doctor in this country north or south so I feel your pain. My main reason for concern is that I don't want you ending up the same way we did and nearly lose her. I am not been overdramatic and appreciate the age difference here, we followed what the doctors told us for years and I feel stupid now as they were just treating here and not looking for the cause.

I don't know which specific tests that you should be getting hopefully the forum members may be of help, they are all good guys and girls here and really care and are very knowledgeable. If it still continues try and get a consult with a good urologist. Also understand doctors looking at you if you had two heads when you mentioned btd abd blood thinning. I am sure our good dr. d has a million stories like this.
Good luck


I agree
my wonderful cheerful and sweet dad was in hopsital for 3 weeks before they found out he had kidney problems.
They first realised it when they said to me
"You dad is a really a very moody and grumpy man" .
I was  ??) ??) ??) ??) ??) he  was so calm and pleasant.
It turned out that 1 kidney didn´t work at all and the other only 25 %

I wish you all the best recovery
- it is YOUR decision to choose whatever treatment- but keep your eyes open sometimes we nedd to combine both BTD with modern medicine.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 1:33pm; Reply: 34
Although the more i read about Nato... the more interesting it sounds

FYI

The human body produces several enzymes that promote the formation of blood clots (clotting is a vital mechanism that prevents hemorrhaging), but only one that dissolves them. This enzyme, known as plasmin, diminishes with age and this is a contributory factor in deaths from heart disease
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 1:49pm; Reply: 35
LOL, I know i might appear to be grumpy, fending off the advice to take drugs, but I'm probably the least moody i have ever been in my life. I'm short tempered and i get frustrated, but no more than most i imagine.

the only time i tend to get moody is when sweets are involved in some way. and it is very brief.

I don't suffer fools gladly but i never have, so no change there.

I walked for 20 mins and picked Emily up from school today and then walked her back. very slight ache in my left ankle, but i mean it really is minor.

Goldie mentioned diarearoh earlier, I don't have that problem.

as far as my suspected UTI going to the toilet is pretty well back to normal, no real pain at all. still not 100 but it never has been for the last 5 years or so.

took my genotype activator, catalyst and fish oil formula this morning. goinf to take another scienca now (even thoigh they smell like paint!.

then my cranberry tablet aromastat.

had some French onion soup for lunch, scrambled eggs on toast fro breakfast. and that was after a large grapefruit.

having beef, red peppers and rice for tea apparently. somewhere in between all that i wll be havig a total of 3 lemons a day in water with a quarter teaspoon of bicarb eash time. 2 cups of green tea.

also the swelling in my tummy is down a lot too.

Posted by: brinyskysail, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:07pm; Reply: 36
It does sound as though you are much improved from last week.  Just don't go overboard - I tend to do that as soon as I start feeling better after I've been sick or hurt and set myself back ::)  Best wishes :)
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:24pm; Reply: 37
This may be late, but I am pretty sure that blueberries are also good for uti's, do you get them in UK?  Glad you are taking that fish oil and explorer supps.  I liked Andrea's link about natural blood thinners, really like ginger tea, or eating other forms of ginger, (dried, fresh in cooking, etc).  I agree with Brinyskysail (love her screen name) to take it slowly, but you sound good PC!
Oh and garlic both thins blood and is good for infections.... ;)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:57pm; Reply: 38
Thanks - had a load of garlic in the home made french onion soup
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 2:59pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from PCUK-Positive


Is there any infor in relation to this product and blood type - I causios to use a soy based prodcut being and BT O. not that i think i need to use it just at the moment.


I'm sorry but reading that you have chosen not to get medical treatment for this life threatening event is very upsetting to me.

I apologize for what I'm about to say. But this is the KEY. You have a blood clot in your leg, and you are at a high risk of DYING. Forget about how it was caused, forget about thinning your blood, forget everything else...every second that you are sitting there is a risk to your life. When you said you were out walking, I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Most of us on this forum feel the same as you do about medical therapies today, but if I was told I had a blood clot, was made aware of the risks, my first thought would me of my son and mother, and I would seek immediate treatment. While you might feel great or good or better, when that clot mobilizes you may not feel it and death might come quickly, but what about your family? People with high blood pressure often say the same thing, "I feel fine", yeah, right up until they have a stroke. Feeling good is not a sign that all is well.

This BTD/GTD is/are used to prevent disease, to promote healing, and to optimize health. It is health promoting but if you break a leg you still have to have it fixed, consider this a broken leg, and please just get it fixed. I know of no other way to help you. I would not attempt something with such a high risk of immediate death with a diet.

I got my almost 80 year old mother off of most of her medications and she is now mostly doing the blood type diet and she is doing well, but the second she has a TIA I'm going to be the first one to call 911.

I wish you wellness and a LONG life.  

PS untreated strep throat, not saying you had that, but many are mentioning kidneys and that reminds me that untreated strep will move to the kidneys.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 3:36pm; Reply: 40
Perhaps someone will read about the risks associated with the medication that I'm avoiding.

And let me make myself perfectly clear, if a doctor can't tell me how something happened yet insists he knows how to cure it, with a drug, and no other way,  i will NOT believe him or her.

I hope i live and prove some of you wrong. if i don't may i remind you a lot of people die from the treatment alone!

Also the high risk are associated with very sick people.

take a old, smoker, who drinks and eat like a pig is over wirght, does no excersise and has lived like that for the past 5 years. but he takes the blood thinners.

then take me under 12 stone, 5'8" no sweets, no sugar, little added salt, no alcohol, no smoking. no history of clots. no problems with my lungs at all. who is an analyst by employment who thinks the best course of action is to NOt take the drugs, taking into account many thing including blood type (the doctor i spoke to didn't even know that statistically type o's have thinner blood. who would you bet on. and why in gods name would you even consider such a course of action

the drug companies don't make some good drugs and some bad ones, they just make money. it's really that simple.

so ask yourself would you take any of the following

dairy - the world says it's safe.
soya - the worls says it makes you healthy
statins - supposedly going to save the world and should be administered to everyone even though they are healthy?

i could go on but time is of the essence.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 3:39pm; Reply: 41
I would not give a hoot if one dies be it you or me.. .. but to lay in a longcare facility with a stroke or on kidney dialisis would not be wish for any on this board nor in my life. ... and money here does not matter.. if you have that kind of cash then fly the whole family to Bridgeport and get first hand advice..  

Quoted Text
Although the more i read about Nato... the more interesting it sounds

FYI

The human body produces several enzymes that promote the formation of blood clots (clotting is a vital mechanism that prevents hemorrhaging), but only one that dissolves them. This enzyme, known as plasmin, diminishes with age and this is a contributory factor in deaths from heart disease


send on email to Dr D. maybe he will advise if it is proper to concider..
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 3:46pm; Reply: 42
So now Goldie u want me to fly with an existing DVT? God help me!

other views on medical advice

a brilliant film in it's own right.

http://www.vimeo.com/24821365
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 4:04pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
And let me make myself perfectly clear, if a doctor can't tell me how something happened yet insists he knows how to cure it, with a drug, and no other way,  i will NOT believe him or her.

take a old, smoker, who drinks and eat like a pig is over wirght, does no excersise and has lived like that for the past 5 years. but he takes the blood thinners.

then take me under 12 stone, 5'8" no sweets, no sugar, little added salt, no alcohol, no smoking. no history of clots. no problems with my lungs at all. who is an analyst by employment who thinks the best course of action is to NOt take the drugs, taking into account many thing including blood type (the doctor i spoke to didn't even know that statistically type o's have thinner blood. who would you bet on. and why in gods name would you even consider such a course of action

the drug companies don't make some good drugs and some bad ones, they just make money. it's really that simple.

so ask yourself would you take any of the following

dairy - the world says it's safe.
soya - the worls says it makes you healthy
statins - supposedly going to save the world and should be administered to everyone even though they are healthy?

i could go on but time is of the essence.


No to dairy, Soy is GMO no one should consume it...statins are just one of Big Pharma's money making machines

I understand too what you say about being so good with your diet and don't smoke, or drink or
take drugs, and yet this happened to you. I can't help but wonder if being a non secretor played a role in this event. I am like you and take the best care and yet I struggle all the time with food sensitivity's etc...then I have siblings who drink and smoke and party all night. Me I'm tired and have to go to bed by 10 or thereabouts. They get up the next day and are raring to go, I'm waking up tired. They are not type O's and most likely not non secretors.

Doctors are taught maintstream medicine and don't forget big pharma funds a lot of their education, etc. They scoff at natural remedies, alternative medicine, and probably the blood type diet, so in that sense we have to be pioneers.

ps...though they say fermented soy is ok...I'm allergic so......
Posted by: maukik, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 5:39pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from 14428


But this is the KEY. You have a blood clot in your leg, and you are at a high risk of DYING. Forget about how it was caused, forget about thinning your blood, forget everything else...every second that you are sitting there is a risk to your life. When you said you were out walking, I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Most of us on this forum feel the same as you do about medical therapies today, but if I was told I had a blood clot, was made aware of the, my first thought would me of my son and mother, and I would seek immediate treatment. While you might feel great or good or better, when that clot mobilizes you may not feel it and death might come quickly, but what about your family? People with high blood pressure often say the same thing, "I feel fine", yeah, right up until they have a stroke. Feeling good is not a sign that all is well.

This BTD/GTD is/are used to prevent disease, to promote healing, and to optimize health. It is health promoting but if you break a leg you still have to have it fixed, consider this a broken leg, and please just get it fixed. I know of no other way to help you. I would not attempt something with such a high risk of immediate death with a diet.

I wish you wellness and a LONG life.  


PC, if you did have a stroke, would your wife call a doctor?  Take you to a doctor?  Just curious.  Would she need to know how you came to have a stroke before she did that?  Maybe.  Maybe that is your choice.  We are only trying to let you know what this can mean.  The choices are your choices to make.  Just make sure you are making them with full knowledge when it is a life threatening situation.  Untreated strep, while not a great idea, is not exactly a risk of sudden death as DVT is.  You could treat it yourself, it could go away in time, you could get dialysis if it ruined your kidneys.  I would treat it with diet if I thought I could.  I would get an antibiotic if I didn't.  

My grandmother died from unmonitored treatment with coumadin.  I HATE the stuff.  I would not want to take it.  I advise everyone I know not to take it just because they have had heart problems and the doctor wants them to get on it. I advise them to follow BTD, take other things that can thin blood, etc., if they will.  But, if I had a DVT and could not take an alternative medical treatement (there are other medications that can be taken), I would take coumadin, insist that the doctor monitor it very closely, avoid other things that could thin my blood too much while on it, with the goal of getting off of it ASAP.  

Like nonnie says, you can feel fine, a blood clot can break loose and you can die instantly.  If you, AND your doctor believe you do not need it, nevermind.  

We are not trying to oppress you.  We just want you to make a well-informed decision.  


Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 6:46pm; Reply: 45
Thanks for that Maukik.

Warfarin can also cause skin tissue death (necrosis) and gangrene requiring amputation and god knows what else.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 7:00pm; Reply: 46
here are a a several hundred people who would rather not be on the medication. notice how many are now on it for life by the way.

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=9218&name=COUMADIN&PerPage=20&sort=timelength&order=1


you may also like to read this forum.

http://experience.patient.co.uk/discussion_list.php?d=29
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 7:01pm; Reply: 47
orrr perhaps does the l.Hays suggs justamente fits ??) ;) ... :o ;)(shhh)(clown)(smile)(shrug)
Posted by: Curious, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 12:11am; Reply: 48
PC, did you read my post about the Leiden-test that can be done to determine whether you have a genetic disposition? You did not say anything about my suggestion, so maybe you did not see it (early in the forum discussion).
By the way, my friend with a blood clot was only on warfarin for 3 months. He usually does not take medication, but made an exception in this case. They tested him after the three month and the clot was gone.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 11:51am; Reply: 49
Thanks Curious I read all posts. tell me more about your friend if you don't mind. info like the location of his dvt, his weight, general health, whether on btd. and perhaps any other stuff like how he got the dvt would all be helpful thanks
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 2:38pm; Reply: 50
I am not curious but she is right on..

My friend was 55 in exellent health returning from vacation, money and health no issue, active and vibrant.. not on BTD.. and playing tennis I think, I forgot, since with his prostheses he does much less running on his leg.. first he lost his foot.. then up to his knee.. he is on his 3rd prosthesis.. from a single clot.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 3:07pm; Reply: 51
Goldie - Perhaps a few more specifics would help. did he smoke, did he drink, how did he get the initial clot, was he offered any other help. did he actual start the medication to thin blood. what was his wight and height, was there any other issues. eg tennis is particularly hard on the lower leg, especially if you play on hard coruts and not grass.

did you know that one of the side effects of taking the blood thinners is the possibility to lose a limb? so perhaps he may have lost it anyway. does anyone really know?

In addition note my appetite is very much back on the scene. I'm trying not to eat the fridge - and I'm stcking 100 % to Swami.

although since I'm always fair, the heel of my hand is a bit sore at the bottom of my thumb. i woke up with that so i may have slept on it or something. also my back is a bit stiff.

but absolutely no pain or swelling in my leg. i also slept much better last night.

I feellike I'm in an episode of House lol.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 5:16pm; Reply: 52
this is  list of people who are desperate to get off the very drugs I refise to take.

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=9218&name=COUMADIN&PerPage=20&sort=satisfaction&order=1

have a read it might make outhink again.
Posted by: Curious, Thursday, June 16, 2011, 2:51am; Reply: 53
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
Thanks Curious I read all posts. tell me more about your friend if you don't mind. info like the location of his dvt, his weight, general health, whether on btd. and perhaps any other stuff like how he got the dvt would all be helpful thanks

Yes, I'd be happy to tell you about my friend: He is 54 years old, about 1.78 m tall and weighs about 68 kg. He owns no car and cycles to work each day (5 km each way). He loves swimming and swims regularly in the European summer. He also loves hiking and goes hiking very regularly (some are big trips with a heavy backpack). He also loves Latin Dancing. He looks and is fit.

He got the DVD when he visited me in Australia. It is a long flight, but he had a stopover for a night in Singapore. So the flight time would have been 13 hours and - after the stop over - another 9 hours. It was acutally his second DVD because he had a DVD a few years back and it seemed to have come from nowhere. That is when he did the Leiden test and found out that he has a gene which predisposes him to DVD (apparently there are 2 versions, one where the person has a slight problem, the other where the person has a big problem, his test showed he has a slight problem).

The DVD he got when he visited me was below the knee (can't remember whether it was the left or right leg). We were about to do lots of bushwalking in Kakadu National Park and my friend was very upset about the news. He decided to take the warfarin (normally he does not take medication) and got adjusted after a few days. We then went bushwalking (in a remote area) and did quite a lot of walks (e.g 12 km walks). He got tested again after we came back (we were away for 3 weeks) and the amount of warfarin he took looked right. We then went to Central Australia and did more walking. We then flew back to my place on the Gold Coast and he flew back to Europe.

It took about 3 months for the blood clot to be dissolved. He then stopped the warfarin. So, again, he is on no medication.

As for what he eats and drinks: He is not following BTD, he even does not know his blood type. However, he eats mostly unprocessed food, lots of them organic and little meat. He likes the occastional beer and red wine. He has never smoked.

I hope the information helps you.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, June 16, 2011, 10:20am; Reply: 54
Thanks curious oxo
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, June 16, 2011, 10:55am; Reply: 55
saw doctor this morning, signed off for 2 months, having urine test done tomorrow, after that as a precaution having psa test done for prostrate and possible referral to consultant again.

walked to doctors, but had a nose bleed just before i left. doctor mentioned taking aspirin if i didn't want to take anything else. she was quiet nice really. although i did have to tell her off for drinking fanta zero! lol
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, June 16, 2011, 3:13pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
she was quiet nice really. although i did have to tell her off for drinking fanta zero! lol

Many in the medical community are certain that sugar is a bigger danger than the chemical sweetener substitutes...  There are many, however, that realize that the chemicals are really bad for the body and refuse to internalize them.  Many are starting to go to mostly water or fruit juices for their beverage.
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, June 16, 2011, 10:46pm; Reply: 57
Hi PC - I understand you not wanted to take the medication. I have never responded well to regular medicine. If fact I usually have a horrible response. Must be the nonnie or explorer :) in me. So, I almost never use Western medicine. I support you in your decision. If it feels right to you, then that's what you should do.

Good luck
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 10:51am; Reply: 58
Well thanks you Nowishow. oxo
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 11:43am; Reply: 59
Came across this paragraph in an articles that sums up how i feel about drugs.

"It doesn’t help that some of these treatments are foisted on people who don’t need them. According to one study, a person who shows up at an emergency room complaining of chest pain has about an 80 percent chance of being admitted and subjected to a series of sophisticated tests, even when the patient is not at high risk for heart disease and thus has an almost negligible chance of actually being ill if a few routine tests don’t turn up any irregularities. The longer round of tests carries a significant chance of falsely indicating that a key artery is clogged, and sometimes leads to the utterly unnecessary surgical insertion of a stent, accompanied by a long-term drug regimen to fight off the real risk of clotting in that stent. In this way, many healthy people each year are converted into long-term patients."
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 11:55am; Reply: 60
“Mainstream medicine uses the placebo effect all the time,” says Ted Kaptchuk, a Harvard researcher who studies the impact of placebos. “Doctors don’t tell you the drug they’re giving you is barely better than a placebo. They all spin.” To be approved by the FDA, a drug has to do better than a placebo in studies—but most approved drugs do only a little better, and for many drugs the evidence is mixed. A number of studies have indicated, for example, that most antidepressants don’t do better than placebos, but patients filled more than 250 million prescriptions for them in 2010. The vast majority of drugs don’t work in as many as 70 percent of patients, according to an estimate from within the pharmaceutical industry. One recent study concluded that 85 percent of new prescription drugs hitting the market are of little or no benefit to patients.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:00pm; Reply: 61
Pradaxa is will be approved for anticoagulation soon I am sure, it is only for Afib right now.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:09pm; Reply: 62
I have been reading about that drug, it seesm to get a better response from peopl, however good diet and lemon juice are already aproved ;) oxo
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:09pm; Reply: 63
So--- you are indeed in a HOUSE TV episode.. and we all agree this is serious: so please take heed.

OK ~so I am HOUSE! not you.. you are the miserably feeling patient.

OK so it is a clot.. and with the Leiden test mentioned I am certain that they would find that you may have a predisposition to getting clots (like when you stit for hours confined to a specific position.. BUT clots can also form in all the rest of the body, so look out .. .. hopefully never again - and only just supposing, but you had one clot -- so yes continue the lemon for at least the 3 month if it will NOT cause you stomch issues.. also add other foods like green leaves maybe?? ..

As for Aspirin, it is not on our O schedule.. I have asked Dr D if we could take Vit E instead.. but that was in place of Aspirin.. not to disolve a clot, so I dont know..
and he never wrote about it as far as I can see.. maybe he would if asked again..or he thinks that conventional treatment is ok when there is a life saving situation ..
you are your second life.. so make good...  

So while you are down in MY (house) hospital I am going to visit your home to see if Em has any toys that might be BAD for you to play with..  and see just what you are having in or under your fridge.. haha

say hi to Em .. it's really here we care about..
you had your life - and (HOUSE) -------is in need to fight hospital expences, so we are keeping secret that we are smuggling a non compliant lollipop to her..

Since you made it so far, so you might survive.. but that is a chance you have to take.. but since you are still under the doctors care (oh she is so nice and good looking too.. House- Looking back over his shoulder.. ) but with further tests for your innerds at least you are no longer out in the wilderness.. please for now remain under  the doctors review.. thanks..

BTD might have saved your BUTT, as you at least might have done most food right.. but the risk and waiting so long was just stupid.. period.. and I am not House here.. ahaha going to a doctor for advise will not kill anyone if we also THINK...

So to continuing witht he story I told you about the man I talked about,, no he was a runner.. 3-8 and swimmer, no smoking, healthy office environment, loving wife and mentally still fit 20 years later.. so back to the Leiden test is something to look at -- ask the lady doctor..  

as for your hand .. for now don't worry, but if in 5 minutes it is not better then call the doctor..

The stiff back might also be  nothing``` but just to make you crazy all around``` my dad died IN the hospital (3weeks) with severe back pain.. I was not there for the weeks before, so no way of knowing what doctors would have told my siblings.. but knowing how he died I know- he ruptured on anurism that is seemingly near the spine and would cause severe pain.. THIS STORY has nothing to do with you this time `` its just chat to tuck away...

..... all I am saying: ok so yes do your own thing, learn and study all that you can, take the test if they are available .. and make your doctor nuts by asking questions.. Your Europen Doctors need to be trained to TALK, making getting off their high horses god like status is a good thing -to be done for the next generation of patients.. who are entitled to know as much as possible.. and if enough people ARE WILLING to be KNOWING then the doc's will learn that it is not as scary as they think.

I am for now declaring that I cured YOUre thick headed ness.. (poor EM) and you can go on your merry way.. I have other battles to fight.. did you read that I am going on new drops altering my diet form soso compliancy to 100% compliant -yet eating will be at different times in my day to give my bodyshape to change...... Hahaha....  6 drops a day to keep 'hunger' away.. hahah  ;D

Hey- I loved this HOUSE episode..  8) ::) :o :X..   HUMOR is the best medicine..
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:21pm; Reply: 64
as for your 2 more recent posts.. yes it takes a lot to be safe in hospitals.. I checked myself out 2- 3 times before they would have.. took matters into my hands and fixed myself from the meds.. but I also looked for a doctor who would listen und explain things and work WITH me against some drugs and not against some others..

be happy that you are OK, I dont know, but klemon juice might be good -but will it SAFELY dissolve a clot?? AND NOT ALLOW IT TO travel tou your lungs or worse.. time might tell.. but ask the doc to do some research.. she should know..

where do you live.. what city near you? what town in case I will ever get to europe and travel further then my home country.. then I can say .. oh how pretty it is here.. hahaha   what is your name here from? it fits you... do you check policies??? what kind .. in case I ever need help..  8)  have a good day..  
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:38pm; Reply: 65
Goldie you're nuts, but in a nice way. lol

I live In Belfast Goldie, in Northern Ireland. I was an insurance analyst for 25 years, so there is not much that i don't know about and life, investment, health or pension contracts. although I'm less up to speed with any contacts started in the last five years. although technically they wouldn't be that different.

thinks ponzi scheme and you have a good basis for understanding insurance. oxo
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, June 17, 2011, 12:57pm; Reply: 66
Not suggesting you should take pradaxa just adding it to the conversation.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 1:37pm; Reply: 67
going to have to start highlighting stuff in orange when I'm attempting To be humorous, in future as the ;) obviously isn't sufficient. lol
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 17, 2011, 1:39pm; Reply: 68
PC. compliment accepted...  so how did you get to retire and stay home so young??
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, June 17, 2011, 1:45pm; Reply: 69
think of it more as a temporary retirement while being available and sorting daughters health out.

Savings now used up so soon I'll be back to work in one way or another but not this year.

we survive by being careful and not being flash. rather than buying things for Emily we spent time with her, that sort of thing. but as she gets older i imagine that will be harder to do.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, June 17, 2011, 4:25pm; Reply: 70
PC,

Both of those articles about drugs are spot on...  

Nowishow said quite eloquently what I have been thinking through this whole thread.  If there is a way that natural therapy will work, give it a chance...  I am a firm believer that the body knows far better what to do to heal itself...

I have always developed a sensitivity to drugs (except penicillin) before they had a chance to work for the purpose intended.  Now that I know I have a sluggish liver, it explains why - but because of that, I will attempt to heal naturally before subjecting myself to Western Allopathic methods.  

Obviously trauma situations, where time is essential, need to be treated expediently...
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 17, 2011, 6:33pm; Reply: 71
well now a day one can work from home..

There is a business I know of that might be a kick start for any peron able to see around corners..

Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, June 18, 2011, 5:02pm; Reply: 72
Had a bit of a rough night last night, by back was so sore it was unbearable. someone said it might be my kidneys, what next i hear you say. i agree. once i got up this morning it was fine but i could hardly move without some pretty horrific pain in my back last night.

I feel fine again today.



Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, June 18, 2011, 5:19pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
Had a bit of a rough night last night, by back was so sore it was unbearable. someone said it might be my kidneys, what next i hear you say. i agree. once i got up this morning it was fine but i could hardly move without some pretty horrific pain in my back last night.

It may have been a short-term overload on the kidneys, depending on the specific location of the pain...  Doesn't sound like anything major if you don't have any residual soreness this morning...  
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, June 18, 2011, 6:49pm; Reply: 74
I have heard that, despite what many people think, a kidney problem is actually a rare cause of back pain.  If the pain comes back, I wouldn't rule out the kidneys, but if the pain doesn't return, I don't think there's any worry.
Posted by: greenman, Saturday, June 18, 2011, 10:27pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
Had a bit of a rough night last night, by back was so sore it was unbearable. someone said it might be my kidneys, what next i hear you say. i agree. once i got up this morning it was fine but i could hardly move without some pretty horrific pain in my back last night.

I feel fine again today.





take it from someone who has had a family member through this that back pain is a symptom of kidney problems.
Re-read the thread where you said that your belly was swollen but going down- swollen belly another sign of kidney problems.
Swollen legs/ankles-another sign of kidney problems.
If you go to hospital/GP again then try and get a ct scan on your belly and kidneys or mri.
best of luck from the west
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 12:51am; Reply: 76
I haven't been able to read all this, but I remembered that a friend had some clots after breaking his foot last year. He is a white male & apparently a certain percentage of them have the tendency to get certain clots. He was only 29 when this happened.
Does anyone know about this syndrome?
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 9:26pm; Reply: 77
So kidneys then - which is the kidney protocol? anti- bacterial and urinary tract?
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 11:01pm; Reply: 78
Urinary Tract protocol and if you have an infection, then anti-bacterial...
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, June 20, 2011, 2:14pm; Reply: 79
okay so UTI health protocol for 4 weeks then the antibacterial protocol. didn't reaslie that thanks.
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