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Posted by: Azure Agony, Monday, May 30, 2011, 9:54pm
Hi  :),

I am aware of several natural alternatives for this such as Magnesium Citrate + B6, though I am currently using lemon juice. Does anyone have an idea about roughly how many lemons daily to use? I read many things and they all seem to vary considerably.

Thank you.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 12:29am; Reply: 1
And read up on Chanca Piedra, also known as Phyllanthus niruri, breakstone or Royal Breakstone.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:49am; Reply: 2
We have used Herb Pharm's Stone Breaker (Chanca Piedra), a product from Planetary Herbals called Stone Free, and one from Optimal called Liver - Kidney.

The "Breaker" was for a severe, acute case.  Worked really well to keep me out of the hospital...

My DD uses the Stone Free for maintenance.  It does a better job for her than NAP's Hepatiguard.  

NAP's Hepatiguard works for maintenance for both myself and my WW.

The Optimal product doesn't have the best ingredients for us, so after a brief period, our bodies rejected it...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:10am; Reply: 3
I would use Hepitaguard from the bloodtype store as on-going support for liver and gallbladder.

Royal Breakstone from Whole World Botanicals is what I would use if I wanted to quickly deal with kidney or gallstones before resorting to surgery.
Posted by: Azure Agony, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:46pm; Reply: 4
Thanks for the replies. :)

Nothing on lemons though? I am out of work atm, that's why I am trying to do this as cheaply as possible, such as temporarily removing oxylates from the diet, e.g. spinach and cocoa powder.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 3:09pm; Reply: 5
my liver enjoys a dash of pure lime juice ;)
Posted by: Azure Agony, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 3:34pm; Reply: 6
I'll have a look at lime juice and see if that is ok for me. :)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 7
I also drink some lime juice regularly - usually an ice cube size piece in a glass of water or apple juice...  It seems to aid my liver, as well.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:19pm; Reply: 8
I'm wondering if the castor oil packs that Dr. D describes, with a hot water bottle over it would assist the process.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:32pm; Reply: 9
Castor oil packs are recomended to help the liver. I'm not sure if they'd have any effect on the kidneys.

I'm sure you already know to drink a lot of water.
Posted by: Azure Agony, Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 12:13pm; Reply: 10
Thank you, I'll bear the castor oil packs in mind for future reference. Fortunately I can have lime juice, so next time I go to the evil empire that is the 'super market', I'll pick up a couple of limes.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 10:24pm; Reply: 11
http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, October 26, 2012, 4:39pm; Reply: 12
Mr. KK, Type O+ Hunter (45%) had his THIRD kidney stone last night. I don't recommend anyone spending time in a county hospital... it's not like the show ER.  It's more like two few people on molasses.  Everything moves at a snails pace. The MRI did show that he has a few more stones in his left kidney that have not broken loose yet.

I'm thinking I need to put him on the "break stone" herb for some time, and get him to do some lime juice in the mornings when he wakes up.

We also just recently got a big supply of magnesium oil, and are starting to give ourselves a quick spray before we go to bed.  (Need to read through the entire magnesium oil thread to get a better understanding as to "how much" we need to spray.)  

What amount of lime juice per a glass of water would people recommend?  

First stone was like in 2005 or there abouts.  Last one was earlier this year that passed easily.  This one, smaller than the other two, did cause a slight infection in his body which gave him the chills and unable to regulate his temperature very well.  I have to go pick up the pain meds and antibiotics in about 30 minutes at Costco.

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. <3 <3 <3

Mr. KK drinks a lot of Gerolsteiner, and he thought that might be a problem but I don't think so.  The % of calcium is 8% and magnesium is 6%, which seems to me to be a good balance, and not where he would get too much calcium and not enough magnesium.  Thoughts anyone?
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 26, 2012, 4:58pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from KimonoKat
Mr. KK, Type O+ Hunter (45%) had his THIRD kidney stone last night.

I'm thinking I need to put him on the "break stone" herb for some time, and get him to do some lime juice in the mornings when he wakes up. What amount of lime juice per a glass of water would people recommend?

Ouch!!!  Sorry to hear that.

I just found our bottle of the Stone Breaker compound made by Herb Pharm.  Ingredients are:
Stone Breaker herb (Phyllanthus niruri)
Hydrangea Root (Hydrangea arborescens)
Celery Seed (Apium graveolens)
Burdock Seed (Arctium lappa)

It seemed to work well for both myself and DD...

I freeze juice from fresh limes in ice cube trays when the limes are ripe and then use about 1 frozen cube per glass of water.  You may want to use less initially, though, depending on how "live" he likes his water... ;D
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, October 26, 2012, 5:05pm; Reply: 14
Thank you AB Joe! <3
Posted by: Jane, Friday, October 26, 2012, 5:29pm; Reply: 15
KK,
Hope he's better soon.  Sounds so painful.
((((Hugs)))) to both of you.
Jane
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, October 26, 2012, 6:20pm; Reply: 16
Hi KK!  <3

Here is another current thread about kidney stones.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1350501293/s-0/
Posted by: Damon, Friday, October 26, 2012, 9:47pm; Reply: 17
Another thing that helps dissolving kidney stones (both the calcium oxalate and the uric acid ones) is nettle leaf. Available in supplements or as tea :-)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:09pm; Reply: 18
I think Lola is referring to the lime juice she adds to her tequila ;)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, October 29, 2012, 8:50pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Victoria
I would use Hepitaguard from the bloodtype store as on-going support for liver and gallbladder.

Royal Breakstone from Whole World Botanicals is what I would use if I wanted to quickly deal with kidney or gallstones before resorting to surgery.


V, then what about ongoing support for kidney hoping to prevent a future rock quarry..?  ;D
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, October 29, 2012, 8:52pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Victoria
Hi KK!  <3

Here is another current thread about kidney stones.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1350501293/s-0/


V, just happened upon this thread - are they able to be combined for ease of communication and reference..?
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, October 29, 2012, 8:53pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
I think Lola is referring to the lime juice she adds to her tequila ;)


Ah ha! Now enters... Mr Patron - cheers!
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 29, 2012, 11:53pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Golfzilla


V, then what about ongoing support for kidney hoping to prevent a future rock quarry..?  ;D


I'm not a professional, so take this as just my thoughts.  I would probably continue with Hepatiguard off and on, because it contains a variety of Phyllanthus which is a relative of the Phyllanthus Niruri.  I would also continue with breakstone in capsule form, a few weeks on, a week or two off.  I don't think I would do them at the same time.

I would continue to use the most bioavailable form of magnesium I could find, probably more than a type O would normally feel that they need.  Maybe even spraying the magnesium oil over the kidney area every day.  I would keep my fluid intake generous.  I'd watch out for too much oxalic acid.

Beyond that, there are probably others who understand more than I do about what initially causes kidney stones.  Wish I could be more help.  :)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 3:59pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Victoria


I'm not a professional, so take this as just my thoughts.  I would probably continue with Hepatiguard off and on, because it contains a variety of Phyllanthus which is a relative of the Phyllanthus Niruri.  I would also continue with breakstone in capsule form, a few weeks on, a week or two off.  I don't think I would do them at the same time.

I would continue to use the most bioavailable form of magnesium I could find, probably more than a type O would normally feel that they need.  Maybe even spraying the magnesium oil over the kidney area every day.  I would keep my fluid intake generous.  I'd watch out for too much oxalic acid.

Beyond that, there are probably others who understand more than I do about what initially causes kidney stones.  Wish I could be more help.  :)


Thanks V, great advice!
Posted by: wanthanee, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 7:42pm; Reply: 24
:D In the book of Prescription for Nutritional Healing Recommendations for Kidney stones:

-For pain relief, drink the juice of half a fresh lemon in 8 ounces of water every half-hour until the pain subsides. You can alternate between lemon juice and fresh apple juice.

-To maintain good kidney function, drink plenty of quality water-at least ten  8 –ounce glasses daily. By far the single most important measure one can take to prevent kidney stones from forming is to increase water consumption. Water dilutes urine and helps prevent concentrations of the minerals and salts that can form stones.(Chronic dehydration is a major risk factor in kidney stone disease.) Also, drink unsweetened cranberry juice to help acidify the urine (unless you are prone to uric acid stones). Drinkingthe juice of a fresh lemon in a glass of warm water first thing each morning can help prevent stones from forming. Lemon juice contains nearly five times the concentration of citric acid. One study showed people who consumed lemonade on a daily basis actually reduced stone recurrence.

-Increase your consumption of foods rich in Vitamin A. Vitamin A is beneficial to the urinary tract and helps to discourage the formation of stones. Good sources of vitamin A include alfalfa, apricots, cantaloupes, carrots, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and squash.

-Use only distilled water for drinking and cooking. Add trace mineral droups to your drinking water.

-Minimize your consumption of animal protein, or eliminate if from your consumption of animal
protein, or eliminate it from your diet altogether. A diet high in animal protein causes the body to excrete calcium, producing excessive amounts of calcium, phosphorus, and  uric acid in the kidneys and often resulting in painful kidney stones.

-Try drinking a large amount of liquid (preferably pure water), allow twenty minutes for digestion, and then run up and down stairs vigorously. This has been known to allow small, stubborn kidney stones to pass naturally.

-Avoid foods that contain or lead to the production of oxalic acid, including asparagus, beet greens, beets, blueberries, celery, eggs, fish, grapes, parsley, rhubarb, sorrel, spinach, swiss chard, and vegetables of the cabbage family. Also avoid alcohol, black tea(green tea is a good substitute), Chocolate, cocao, dried figs, nuts, pepper, and poppy seeds.
  Caution: Green tea contains vitamin K, which can make anticoagulant medications less effective. Consult your health care professional if you are suing them. The caffeine in green tea could cause insomnia, anxiety, upset stomach, nausea, or diarrhea.

-stay active. People who are sedentary tend to accumulate high levels of calcium in the bloodstream. Exercise helps pull calcium from the blood into the bones, where it belongs.

And much more in the book, I am sorry I don’t have much time to write. Best wishes. :D

Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 8:11pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from wanthanee
:D In the book of Prescription for Nutritional Healing Recommendations for Kidney stones:

-For pain relief, drink the juice of half a fresh lemon in 8 ounces of water every half-hour until the pain subsides. You can alternate between lemon juice and fresh apple juice.

-To maintain good kidney function, drink plenty of quality water-at least ten  8 –ounce glasses daily. By far the single most important measure one can take to prevent kidney stones from forming is to increase water consumption. Water dilutes urine and helps prevent concentrations of the minerals and salts that can form stones.(Chronic dehydration is a major risk factor in kidney stone disease.) Also, drink unsweetened cranberry juice to help acidify the urine (unless you are prone to uric acid stones). Drinkingthe juice of a fresh lemon in a glass of warm water first thing each morning can help prevent stones from forming. Lemon juice contains nearly five times the concentration of citric acid. One study showed people who consumed lemonade on a daily basis actually reduced stone recurrence.

-Increase your consumption of foods rich in Vitamin A. Vitamin A is beneficial to the urinary tract and helps to discourage the formation of stones. Good sources of vitamin A include alfalfa, apricots, cantaloupes, carrots, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and squash.

-Use only distilled water for drinking and cooking. Add trace mineral droups to your drinking water.

-Minimize your consumption of animal protein, or eliminate if from your consumption of animal
protein, or eliminate it from your diet altogether. A diet high in animal protein causes the body to excrete calcium, producing excessive amounts of calcium, phosphorus, and  uric acid in the kidneys and often resulting in painful kidney stones.

-Try drinking a large amount of liquid (preferably pure water), allow twenty minutes for digestion, and then run up and down stairs vigorously. This has been known to allow small, stubborn kidney stones to pass naturally.

-Avoid foods that contain or lead to the production of oxalic acid, including asparagus, beet greens, beets, blueberries, celery, eggs, fish, grapes, parsley, rhubarb, sorrel, spinach, swiss chard, and vegetables of the cabbage family. Also avoid alcohol, black tea(green tea is a good substitute), Chocolate, cocao, dried figs, nuts, pepper, and poppy seeds.
  Caution: Green tea contains vitamin K, which can make anticoagulant medications less effective. Consult your health care professional if you are suing them. The caffeine in green tea could cause insomnia, anxiety, upset stomach, nausea, or diarrhea.

-stay active. People who are sedentary tend to accumulate high levels of calcium in the bloodstream. Exercise helps pull calcium from the blood into the bones, where it belongs.

And much more in the book, I am sorry I don’t have much time to write. Best wishes. :D



OMG, I have forgotten all about this book - thank you I will go find it!

Cheers!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 10:25pm; Reply: 26
LOL me too i bought a copy of that a while back. mine is the fifth edition
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