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Posted by: Drea, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 8:42pm
As many of you know, I was sugar-free from October 22 through May 12. That was no mean-feat, either. You can read about that journey HERE.

But on May 13 (the anniversary of my birth), I ingested sugar unwittingly, then went into a wheat flour/sugar spiral that ended yesterday. That's 9 long days of being held hostage by my sugar addiction. The noticeable effects were sluggishness, low energy, intense food cravings, skin erruptions, poor eliminations, and irritability among others.

So I'm back to marking off my portions/frequencies per my SWAMI guidelines, avoiding all things sugar/sweeteners (exceptions being vegetable glycerine and compliant dried fruit) and all flours, and I'm shooting for eating only from my diamond/superfood/neutral lists for 30 days. That's my short-term goal. I'm hoping this will also kick-start my weight-loss again. I'm 10 pounds away from my revised goal.

Anyone else who needs support saying good-bye to a sugar habit, please join me. :D
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 9:13pm; Reply: 1
  Great to hear that you're back on track, Drea.  I know exactly where you're coming from.  I remember years ago my grandmother saying to me "one little piece won't hurt you" (pie).  But for me it has always been a struggle with all or nothing.  Once I'm off sugar it's so much easier to just say no, than to have one little thing and spiral off into addictive cravings.

  Keep up the good work!
Posted by: O in Virginia, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:14pm; Reply: 2
I'm not sure I can give up sugar cold turkey, but I will be here to cheer you on and be inspired by your efforts.  Maybe I can at least begin to wean myself by cutting down.  My sugar consumption has crept back up again, and I do feel it (tired).
Posted by: marjorie, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:35pm; Reply: 3
Good for you. I can resonate with your feelings, once I get too much sugar, I have difficulty stopping the cravings. yup, addiction.

Are you off of fruit as well?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:46pm; Reply: 4
Wow- 9 days of binging from one day of celebration?

I'm glad you're back on track now.
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 11:49pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from marjorie

Are you off of fruit as well?
I eat fruit, but I'm sticking with my beneficial and diamond fruits, and to portion sizes.

Today's food so far:
coffee with soy milk, two small apples, dates, peanuts, tofu with spinach, fresh ginger root, garlic flakes, crimini mushrooms, lemon water, cauliflower with yogurt dipping sauce: yogurt, onion flakes, garlic powder, nutritional yeast, rosemary sprigs. All in all, I've eaten my 6 cups of *green* veggies. *Green* veggies are the ones listed on my SWAMI shopping list card - superfoods and diamonds (on the green side). I printed out the card, folded it, and had it laminated. I keep one in my purse, one at my desk, and one in the truck. That way, no matter where I am, I can look to see where the food in question is rated.

Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:20am; Reply: 6
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Wow- 9 days of binging from one day of celebration?
It was 2 days of celebration and that caused more days of bad food choices. Then yesterday I ate potatoes, wheat flour and sugar (i.e. chocolate cake).

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:27am; Reply: 7
Gotcha. DD2 used to be like that with artificial colors (unfortunatley offered frequently at school) before I'd learned about BTD. It was always much harder for her to make good choices (or, rather, resist the constant temptations for artificial colors) when she was already reacting to colors eaten earlier in the week.

Now that she's off wheat and innapropriate dairy, her reactions to artificial colors are much less pronounced. I think her ability to "clean up her diet" more quickly is because she's matured a whole lot since she was 8, and because she's able to remove herself from temptations more easily (I don't keep that kind of junk in the house, and there's simply less junk being offered at her current school than at her prior ones.) It's not like she has many opportunities to eat out.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33am; Reply: 8
Even with a cast iron will power, it's easy to succumb when our bodies are fighting off the bad stuff. If I can just get through the first 5-7 days...those are the hardest for me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:38am; Reply: 9
But, even in the first 5-7 days, it's easier when your mom only keeps compliant stuff in the house and the only other option is to walk half a mile to the nearest supermarket (since you're not old enough to drive) and use your limited allowance to buy junk food. It's so much easier to grab some dried fruit out of the pantry or eat spelt muffins that Mommy baked.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:19am; Reply: 10
Yes, that's true, ruthiegirl ;). I need to stay home for 5-7 days and only eat what I have here at the house ;D. I'm not scheduled to drive anywhere (other than Espanola) until Thursday, so chances are good that I can get 4 clean days.
Posted by: BCgal, Monday, May 23, 2011, 3:38am; Reply: 11
  My hardest days are 1-3.  If I can get through them then I'm generally well on my way, but I agree, getting a full week in really makes a difference.  Go for it!
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, May 23, 2011, 3:46am; Reply: 12
Drea, take one day at a time and forget about the past.  Don't dwell on what you did wrong.  You are human.  You cheated.  It is not the end of the world.  There are much worse things in life you can do.  Just focus on the future and how you want to eat and achieve your health and wellness goals and you will be fine!  Tomorrow is another day!  We all cheat and need to draw a line in the sand to decide to get back on the diet! ;D
Posted by: Magess, Monday, May 23, 2011, 3:56am; Reply: 13
Drea, I have to do this, too. Between on the go meals in the city and parties, I've been having so much sugar this last week or so. Tomorrow starts a new job and a new routine, so I think it's a good time to get myself back off the sugar.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 4:12am; Reply: 14
Thanks Patty H and BCGal! I finished eating at 7pm (last thing was a small apple, the second of the day) and now I'm drinking Tulsi tea with Lavender. I've already brushed my teeth in hopes that it'll curb me eating anything else. Surprisingly, I'm not hungry.

I managed to eat well, but stay on track portion-wise. The only thing I didn't get in today was carbs/grains.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:34pm; Reply: 15
I still have not gotten the hang of compliance while eating out or eating in situations in which the food is provided by other people (parties).  They are not situations that I can (or want) to avoid, unless I plan to become a hermit, so I need more practice.  It's tricky.  A woman took us out for breakfast yesterday to thank us for something, and it was totally unnecessary, but she really insisted and wanted to.  I knew I was going to eat something I shouldn't - it was the restaurant's homemade muffins.  They are giant, and I ate half of one.  She kept raving about them, "you have to try this".  So I did.   :B  It seems that one half of a muffin is a slippery slope...it paves the way for non-compliance in little bites and bits for the rest of the day.

So, back to sugar:  I will attempt to limit my chocolate intake this week by going back to mixing some dark chocolate chips with dried fruit & nuts in a small serving for my evening *sweet* treat.  The rest of the day, if I stay busy, I sometimes forget to eat at all, which results in a big danger time later because by then I'm ravenous and grabbing for quick sweets.  I will eat a healthy lunch.  I will eat a healthy lunch.  I will eat a healthy lunch.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 6:38pm; Reply: 16
I'm rooting for you, OinVA :D. When I'm solidly in compliance, and have my addictions put away, I can very easily just say "no" to whatever is offered. After this last week of cravings and giving-ins, I realize that it's just not worth it to me to please someone else's idea of what is good food.

I ate a breakfast of oat bran, rice protein powder, cinnamon, dates, peanuts, and a dollop of plain yogurt. That was 4 hours ago. I'm not famished, but am starting to get hungry, so I'll be making lunch soon.

I spent the morning buying supplies for the exterior cat habitat I'm going to build. Of course, now I'm tired and a little hungry, and it's getting hot outside, so I may not start on the project today  :-/.

Lunch: sauteed fresh garlic slices, fresh ginger root, tofu, in evoo, then added kale, wf tamari, and nutritional yeast. Yum.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:17pm; Reply: 17
Thank you, Drea.  :)  I wish I could have tofu.  Soy is an avoid for me.  :(
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:04pm; Reply: 18
I just realized that I don't have to leave the compound until Saturday, so I'll have 6 days of eating right before I have to be away (and eating out). Yippee!
Posted by: 14573 (Guest), Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 8:49am; Reply: 19
I give you a tremendous amount of credit for setting this goal and holding yourself accountable here in the forums.

I too share this addiction to sugar. Friends and family have no concept of how sugar both gives me a sense of stability and instability at the same time. However as I get older my ability to recover is becoming more and more difficult. I know that my threshold has been reached with frequents trips to the bathroom.

Peer pressure sucks. It is even worse when I have already indulged recently. I am at my strongest when my self esteem is high and I have been on a regular exercise routine. Being in shape can keep me in shape. Being depressed is nothing but a slippery slope.

I wish you the best.
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 1:45pm; Reply: 20
Welcome Croft Castrell (that name sounds like something out of the Jetsons! I love it!), and thanks for your support. Yes, peer pressure is the worst. And I was just thinking about it this morning, too. I'm trying to get a group together for a visit, and one of the group loves to cook. She's already emphasized that she wants to run the menu by me so I can eat, too, which I absolutely appreciate. Then I feel a little guilty, so don't tell her "all" the offenders, just the biggies. What I have to remember, though, is that I am in charge of what goes into my mouth.

Today is day 3 of no sugar/sweeteners/flour. I've also maintained (for the last two days, I know it's not long, but I'm proud of it anyway) my goal of not eating past 7:30pm. If I want something after that, I'll have a cup of hot tea. It's been noticeable, but I wouldn't say hard. It helps tremendously that I live alone (human-wise) and can control what is in my pantry. One of my biggest triggers is red wine, which is a diamond. But as soon as I take that first sip, all my will power flies out the window. And it's not just for inappropriate foods, which I attempt to not even have at hand, but portion sizes, too. I found out last week that I "can" eat too much watermelon (a superfood). That may have contributed to my continued back-sliding, culminating with eating that piece of chocolate cake!

Regarding the cake, however...it was not a huge piece, and while it tasted incredibly rich, and I took my time eating it, savoring it as much as possible (somehow knowing that our "affair" wouldn't last), when I laid my fork down for the last time, my tummy was not happy. Just the beginnings of uncomfortable. My friend got up from the table and came back with a handful of dark chocolate covered almonds, but I said no to those. And that wasn't hard. I also said no to a second glass of red wine, which wasn't hard either, even though red wine and dark chocolate are one of my favorite combinations.

I'm feeling stronger each day. My short term goal is to make it through until Saturday when I have to go into Albuquerque for the day to get supplies. It's an all-day affair, stopping through Santa Fe on my way back. If I plan it right, though, I can get a salad bar lunch from WF, bringing my own dressing in a cooler, and not snacking along the way. Eating while driving has long been one of the vices that is hardest to give up.

Fortunately, I no longer have to drive to go to work (I live on the property where I work, how cool is that?!) and drive about once a week. But when I do drive, it's often a minimum of 60 miles round trip. I wait to do that trip because it's so far (relatively speaking), then end up spending my day tooling around from store to store, never wanting to just stop and eat somewhere (not that there are many choices for me in this part of the country, anyway). I end up snacking and driving. Such a bad habit.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 6:29pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Drea
-snip-
I ingested sugar unwittingly, then went into a wheat flour/sugar spiral that ended yesterday. That's 9 long days of being held hostage by my sugar addiction. The noticeable effects were sluggishness, low energy, intense food cravings, skin erruptions, poor eliminations, and irritability among others.-snip-
I can totally identify with that.

Fortunately, the little changes I've made have helped:

Green tea with no sweetener
"Savory" oat bran with no sweetener
Seltzer with just lemon (or lime) and no sweetener
Cutting back a bit on grains
Cutting back on fruit

Luckily for me it's not an "all or nothing" situation.

Posted by: O in Virginia, Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 8:10pm; Reply: 22
I'm hanging in there.  I avoided diving head first into a leftover frosted cake that was in the church kitchen this morning.  I go to a women's bible study group on Tuesday mornings (what somebody this morning called "God's Pajama Party" - it's a lot of fun and inspirational, too), and there are always little treats around.  I had a cup of peppermint tea - no sweetener.  I like peppermint tea just fine without any sweetener.  I avoided all wheat & sweet treats.  I went home and had a compliant lunch with a little fresh pineapple for dessert.  So far today, I've ingested no added sugar.  I can have some chocolate chips in trail mix tonight if I'm jonesin' for something sweet.  So far, I'm doing ok today.  :)
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 12:41am; Reply: 23
Quoted from O in Virginia
I avoided diving head first into a leftover frosted cake that was in the church kitchen this morning.

(clap)


Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 3:26am; Reply: 24
Tried to find something on here about PGX. Did not find anything. I am finding myself getting hooked on sugar again. Esp vanilla ice cream or cake. I decided to give it a try tonight and it did curb my craving. Want to know if it is okay to take.
http://naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/605/pgx-daily-ultra-matrix-750-mg
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 1:07pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from 10809
Tried to find something on here about PGX. Did not find anything. I am finding myself getting hooked on sugar again. Esp vanilla ice cream or cake. I decided to give it a try tonight and it did curb my craving. Want to know if it is okay to take.
http://naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/605/pgx-daily-ultra-matrix-750-mg


I avoid any supplement that purports to "solve" a host of issues that can easily be fixed by eating healthy. PXG (at least the link you posted) seems to fit this bill. I read the description as: "eat anything you like, and as long as you take PXG, you'll be fine."

And didn't you mention in another thread that you are losing too much weight? This supplement looks as if it helps a body to lose weight, not gain it.

But if you take it and it helps with your cravings (I know how hard it is to be around food that I choose not to eat, especially during the period that I'm coming off of a binge -- which is another reason to be thankful that I now live alone at the moment), then continue it for just as long as you have built up "resolve". I know you have resolve, because you shared your story about alcohol. {{{hugs}}}

That's my $0.02, for what it's worth... ;)
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 1:36pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Drea


I avoid any supplement that purports to "solve" a host of issues that can easily be fixed by eating healthy. PXG (at least the link you posted) seems to fit this bill. I read the description as: "eat anything you like, and as long as you take PXG, you'll be fine."

And didn't you mention in another thread that you are losing too much weight? This supplement looks as if it helps a body to lose weight, not gain it.

But if you take it and it helps with your cravings (I know how hard it is to be around food that I choose not to eat, especially during the period that I'm coming off of a binge -- which is another reason to be thankful that I now live alone at the moment), then continue it for just as long as you have built up "resolve". I know you have resolve, because you shared your story about alcohol. {{{hugs}}}

That's my $0.02, for what it's worth... ;)


I just want to use it to get me off sugar. Been seeing allot lately on how it can cause wrinkles and really affect your skin which I do have a big problem with right now. According to my A status, brown sugar and white are okay but if I am the genotype I think, it is an avoid. Really want my skin to bounce back. Will be going to see my birth family soon, want to set a good example for them. Want to prove that if you take care of yourself, you can reverse the signs of aging and heal yourself. I don't miss the alcohol anymore. As I said before, that is a big problem in my birth family. I sure don't believe in the eat anything you want hype. Btd is the only thing that ever worked for me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 11:18pm; Reply: 27
I'd think of this supplement as a short-term crutch to help you get off the sugar. But I wouldn't recomend taking it long term.

Good job on NOT eating that leftover cake!! What I do is keep some compliant trail mix in my purse, so if I truly get hungry when I'm not at home, I have something safe to snack on. Water or unsweetened tea are fine for "something to put in my mouth while socializing" but if I truly get hungry, I like knowing there's something healthy available for me.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 11:31pm; Reply: 28
I keep a case of Lara bars (I buy them when they go on sale at the hfs) in my truck for the same reason. I also have a canister of tamari almonds, and living in the desert, I always carry a couple of gallons of water.

Tonight's dinner turned out better than usual:
Usually when I saute kale it comes out too moist, and I'm thinking that's because I add a bit of water to the pan before covering it. But today, I heated up some walnut oil, then cooked some sliced red onion until soft, and added the kale without water. The steam from covering it was enough water, apparently. Then I scrambled up some eggs and put those in a separate pan with a tsp of ghee (I realized a couple of days ago that I was using way too much ghee and wasting it), then put the cooked onions and kale on top and covered the pan. O-M-G! A delicious fritata with diamond veggies!
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Thursday, May 26, 2011, 12:30pm; Reply: 29
Saw a recipe on a program yesterday for sweet craving to replace ice cream. Avocado, dates and cocoa in a blender. Avocado has a nice texture so I can see this being a nice treat. Going to give it a try today.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 12:49pm; Reply: 30
I've heard many times how nice avocado works with chocolate to make a creamy dessert. I can't make any desserts, since I don't have the will power not to eat the whole thing, so I'll live vicariously through you, Princess Mia! :D
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 4:33pm; Reply: 31
I hear that eating cultured vegetables curves your sugar cravings.  Why that would be, I have no clue.  But I will tell you this, I eat them and I don't crave sugar.  In fact, I'm skeptical if anything is too sweet that I want to actually eat it.  I don't know if it's something my mind has come to been conditioned to, or if it's the cultured veggies.  But the fact remains, I don't like too much sugar.  I like fruits though.  But even if they are super sweet, I'm not really into them.  Like I was cutting up a real nice plantain for my daughter this morning, and plantains have tryptophan in them that helps seretonin.  I know I need that help sometimes, but I cut the ends off and ate it and although it was nice and sweet, I would've not wanted to eat a whole one.  

But mind you, I used to be the biggest junk food junkie around before I started on this whole healing process.  So, I'm not sure what exact things have helped me change, and if it is the cultured veggies, it may be something to look into if you people are struggling with sugar cravings.  Because even quite a few of my family who have tried to eat more healthy, still eat way too much sweet treats and have sort of a  eh, maybe almost denial to it.  Or, they just don't want to be as "fanatic" as I.  But none of them eat cultured veggies. And they just think I'm some kind of crazy guy that is too fanatic.  But I personally think refined sugar is really not good at all for us.  Which I know you guys think that too, otherwise drea wouldn't have started this thread.

OK, that's my 12 cents worth.  Carry on.   ;D
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Thursday, May 26, 2011, 4:49pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Drea
I've heard many times how nice avocado works with chocolate to make a creamy dessert. I can't make any desserts, since I don't have the will power not to eat the whole thing, so I'll live vicariously through you, Princess Mia! :D


Just buy enough to make a small batch. ;D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 4:53pm; Reply: 33
A small batch would be a small slice of avocado. A whole avocado would make several portions.


To make a small batch, you'd need to use an avocado for other recipes, and save back a slice or two to make a single-serving of dessert.

The other day, I mashed a banana, added some water, cocoa powder, and cinnamon, and it tasted like chocolate pudding to me! (Of course, my daughter disagreed after tasting it, but i enjoyed it.)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 5:28pm; Reply: 34
I still need to try frozen banana "ice cream" - whirring frozen bananas around in a blender or food processor until creamy like ice cream.  Maybe I will try that this summer.  Bananas are diamonds on my swami, and I usually eat one a day most days.  They are filling and satisfying to my sweet tooth.

I don't know much about culturing veggies.  I have read other threads here recommending culturing vegetables, but I haven't tried it yet.  And now I'm not even sure what is meant by "cultured" vegetables.  Vinegar or otherwise brined?  Sprouted?  What exactly is being cultured?  That's my new assignment, to find out about that.  :)

Adding...I just found out what culture vegetables are.  Once, I would have doubted the edibility of such a thing, although I've eaten plenty of really nasty smelling cheese in my life.  Maybe I'll try culturing some dried sea vegetables.  I can't have cabbage. Thanks, ABNoWay!  :)
Posted by: ProudWarrior, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 7:41pm; Reply: 35
Everyone is doing so good in this thread. Sugar really doesn't tempt me, it is the simple carbs - bread is my biggest weekness. Wheat in all forms is an avoid for me, along with corn and potatoes. I know they should be avoids, because I have no control when I eat them. I can eat and eat and eat those simple carbs. Rice is beneficial but not a superfood which I tend to over eat too. I am really going to watch portions. I even wrote down all my portions so when I go grocery shopping I can make sure I buy the right amount of everything. I like the idea of printing out the list to place in different place so you always have it. Right now I just have one in my purse. I love having the support of this board. It just makes it so much easier to do the right things. It is nice to hear how other people are doing.
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 9:31pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Claudius
When sorrows come, they come not single spies, but in battalions.


The "cascade of cravings" story has been told so many times on the board that I would like to see some kind of explanation for it.  Is it neurotransmitter based?

I have found how much I have come to depend on the Ginger Yerba Mate tea to suppress my sweet tooth - the hard way!  Every time after a meal the tea makes me feel full and satiated; there is no desire for anything sweet.  A three week "holiday" from both the weight maintenance supplements and Ginger-Yerba has raised my blood pressure, my weight, and my cravings.

Has anyone else had a good experience with this tea combo, or is it just specific to me?
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 11:33pm; Reply: 37
I had a really good day, food-wise, especially since I was on the road all day. I took a page from EquiPro and made a breakfast of a can of black beans, rinsed, added chopped red onion, cumin, sea salt, and heated in the...microwave :o...yes, I use it occasionally. I ate that on the road this morning on the way to the vet, where I dropped off Otto for the day. Then I ate a lara bar a few hours later. Then, when I got to Albuquerque, instead of going straight to Costco as usual, I stopped into WF and got a salad from the salad bar, but didn't eat it until after doing a couple more stops. I wasn't hungry while shopping at Costco (I don't eat 99% of their food, but it's still hard to shop when hungry). Next I ate a small bag (single serving) of dried apple chips with cinnamon, a kombucha, and a handful of almonds. Around 3pm, while shopping at TJs, I bought a premade salad with cucumbers, feta cheese, and sliced red onion, and romaine lettuce, which I ate without the enclosed dressing. I picked up Otto from the vet, and he and Tucker are enjoying a bully stick each. I'll have a small glass of red wine, then be done eating for the day.

I'm really making an effort to stop eating by 7:30pm, and eat like a pauper for dinner. Day 5 and I'm still on track. (clap)
Posted by: grey rabbit, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 11:50pm; Reply: 38
sugar, the bitter truth

watch this when you crave sugar...

and Paul, it's all about the insulin feedback loop.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 11:54pm; Reply: 39
That reminds me, Paul.  I'm going to have some peppermint tea for dessert this evening.

Welcome, ExplorerInNM!  This is a great board.  :)
Posted by: Drea, Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:48am; Reply: 40
Thanks for the link, grey rabbit. Interesting.
Posted by: Drea, Friday, May 27, 2011, 2:41am; Reply: 41
I found some unsweetened 100% cocoa at WF, in bar form, and I have to say "I like it!". 2 squares and I'm satisfied. :)
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, May 27, 2011, 1:08pm; Reply: 42
For me .. responding to the headline.. I drink cocoa powder in hot water in place of coffee.. cravings GONE!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, May 27, 2011, 2:55pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Wow- 9 days of binging from one day of celebration?.


This is why Dr. D says Warriors shouldn't "diet".  I'm cutting my sugar way down low but not totally giving it up for the very reason that Drea had happen to her.  A's need carbs, especially Warriors..we are the 'vegetarians' of the blood groups. I don't have any sugar cravings as long as I take chromium (for insulin resistance due to age) and maintain a somewhat of a low but not absent sugar intake.. either in form of mostly maple syrup, corn syrup, barley malt and honey..but we're talking teaspoon amounts.. and like 1 tablespoon of maple syrup on my pancakes on weekends.

Not for anything Drea, but I think you're gonna binge again until you realize that Warriors shouldn't restrict anything related to carbs..Well,  you know what I mean.. I'm not talking M&M's and Star Burst chews every day.. I mean healthy sugars.. That's how I ended up with the extra weight. Low Carb. My body rebelled and I'd go on sugar binges and sugar with fat binges..until I stopped eating low carb and followed the SWAMI

Now I feel like I'm getting control again and the cravings are gone..without going low carb or sugar free..
Posted by: Kim, Friday, May 27, 2011, 3:49pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from 815


This is why Dr. D says Warriors shouldn't "diet".  I'm cutting my sugar way down low but not totally giving it up for the very reason that Drea had happen to her.  A's need carbs, especially Warriors..we are the 'vegetarians' of the blood groups. I don't have any sugar cravings as long as I take chromium (for insulin resistance due to age) and maintain a somewhat of a low but not absent sugar intake.. either in form of mostly maple syrup, corn syrup, barley malt and honey..but we're talking teaspoon amounts.. and like 1 tablespoon of maple syrup on my pancakes on weekends.



Can you give me an example of how you eat for a day?  I am trying to eat more vegetarian and having quite a time of it.  My swami has me on the cusp of Teacher/Warrior.  Rice gives me pain.  As far as I know, you have to add some grains in to make complete proteins of the beans/nuts etc.  Is it possible to just use quinoa?

I appreciate any help you can give me.  I stress out every morning now trying to figure out how to eat without gaining.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, May 27, 2011, 4:36pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Kim
As far as I know, you have to add some grains in to make complete proteins of the beans/nuts etc.  Is it possible to just use quinoa?

I think the answer to this question is "Yes."  
I have read that quinoa is, by itself, a complete protein - but in this age of having to question everything, I'm not sure it is correct.

Adding link to quinoa information - Thanks Drea!
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?dbid=142&tname=foodspice
Posted by: JJR, Friday, May 27, 2011, 4:55pm; Reply: 46
I was just reading it's higher in Lysine and Methionine than any other grain.  And it's like 20% protein.  I still add nuts though.  

And mayflowers, that sounds completely reasonable.  About 3 weeks ago I started adding about a 1/2 teaspoon of tupelo honey to my grain meal once a day.  I guess honey is supposed to help you digest grains.  Plus, the tupelo honey supposedly goes slower into the bloodstream and you don't get a quick jolt.  Which to me seems true.  Other honeys can ramp me up.  But I let my kids add maple syrup to their grains too.  Not tons, but some.  I think if I cut them off completely, they'd be trying to burn me at the stake.  Hehhehehee
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, May 27, 2011, 5:07pm; Reply: 47
kicking the sugar.. first give it up for 6 weeks and your desire will be less then half..

I have just added some Blue Agave honey like syrup all over the kids vegetables / food .. why because they never ate a single vegetable and this is how I invite them to love it when they come to eat at my hose.. once a week.

I will make a montain of watermelons and blue berries to be spooned on top of a bowl of whip cream  with nuts added ... they will have fun just looking at this fresh desert. 8)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, May 27, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Kim


Can you give me an example of how you eat for a day?  I am trying to eat more vegetarian and having quite a time of it.  My swami has me on the cusp of Teacher/Warrior.  Rice gives me pain.  As far as I know, you have to add some grains in to make complete proteins of the beans/nuts etc.  Is it possible to just use quinoa?

I appreciate any help you can give me.  I stress out every morning now trying to figure out how to eat without gaining.  


BF - is Egg whites with 1 egg during the week
       coffee, w/soy milk, berries usually frozen
        1 slice whole wheat toast or whole wheat enlgish muffin with Polaner All Fruit

Lunch - my favorite lunch is a bean soup, like lentil or black bean and I have a Not Dog on whole
            wheat bun with mustard

Dinner- Either, fish like scrod, cod or mahi mahi, baked or I'll have more bean soup and brown
             rice, green vegetables and or salad.  

Snacks - cereal with soy milk, dried fruit..(I had to cut back on nuts.. I gain weight easily from them) If I
              want some peanut butter, I'll have it as a breakfast on an english muffin. I was eating bagals but I
              found out omg, how fattening they are ..heavy on calories so I just cut them out of my diet.

If you're eating cheese and gaining weight, then try the Warrior diet. You can follow the one from the Geno Type Diet Book and see how you feel.  If you're a Warrior, it's tough to keep the weight down in mid-life.  Chloe doesn't have any weight issues. She's 67 .  Dr. D said we gain weight around the middle.  Dr. D is a Warrior as well. He works out a lot .. He rides his bike,  and he is a 2nd degree black belt in Tai Kwando.  
Posted by: Kim, Friday, May 27, 2011, 7:22pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from 815


BF - is Egg whites with 1 egg during the week
       coffee, w/soy milk, berries usually frozen
        1 slice whole wheat toast or whole wheat enlgish muffin with Polaner All Fruit

Lunch - my favorite lunch is a bean soup, like lentil or black bean and I have a Not Dog on whole
            wheat bun with mustard

Dinner- Either, fish like scrod, cod or mahi mahi, baked or I'll have more bean soup and brown
             rice, green vegetables and or salad.  

Snacks - cereal with soy milk, dried fruit..(I had to cut back on nuts.. I gain weight easily from them) If I
              want some peanut butter, I'll have it as a breakfast on an english muffin. I was eating bagals but I
              found out omg, how fattening they are ..heavy on calories so I just cut them out of my diet.

If you're eating cheese and gaining weight, then try the Warrior diet. You can follow the one from the Geno Type Diet Book and see how you feel.  If you're a Warrior, it's tough to keep the weight down in mid-life.  Chloe doesn't have any weight issues. She's 67 .  Dr. D said we gain weight around the middle.  Dr. D is a Warrior as well. He works out a lot .. He rides his bike,  and he is a 2nd degree black belt in Tai Kwando.  


I used to work out 4 times a week until this fatigue and pain hit. Now that that is happening with kaput adrenals, I can't do anything.

I will check out the "not dogs", maybe WF has them.  I can't eat gluten of any kind so I have to get something in my diet that will fill me up.  I haven't had any bread in years.  Rice causes pain.  I barely eat any cheese.  I stick with Romano/Pecorino and grate less than an ounce in my lunch seeing as I can't use vinegar.  I do eat nuts but I feel like hell with low fat so I am afraid to cut them out.  I eat 1/4 cup peanuts and 1/4 cup almonds daily which is just one serving of plant proteins.

You don't eat hardly any fruit.  So, you eat fish once a day?  

I actually have lost weight ignoring the low fat ideal.  It is easy for me to drop weight cutting back on carbs and increasing protein.  Obviously, that is not a good thing with swami.  I believe I am insulin resistant so that starches go right to the belly.  

I do have lots of inflammation in my body.  

Thanks...I have my work cut out for me.  
Posted by: Drea, Friday, May 27, 2011, 7:33pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from 815

Not for anything Drea, but I think you're gonna binge again until you realize that Warriors shouldn't restrict anything related to carbs..


I do eat carbs, in the form of grains, starchy vegetables, beans, fruits, and veg gly (beneficial).
Posted by: Drea, Friday, May 27, 2011, 7:40pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from Kim

I actually have lost weight ignoring the low fat ideal.  It is easy for me to drop weight cutting back on carbs and increasing protein.  Obviously, that is not a good thing with swami.  I believe I am insulin resistant so that starches go right to the belly.  


Kim, read the labels on the "not" meat products. Most have wheat gluten in them. :-/
Also, protein is fine for A's, as long as it's not red meat. Can you eat turkey?

Fat doesn't make you fat (the link that grey rabbit posted clears that myth up, though I already knew this to be true), excess carbs and sugars make you fat.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, May 27, 2011, 8:40pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from paul clucas


The "cascade of cravings" story has been told so many times on the board that I would like to see some kind of explanation for it.  Is it neurotransmitter based?

I have found how much I have come to depend on the Ginger Yerba Mate tea to suppress my sweet tooth - the hard way!  Every time after a meal the tea makes me feel full and satiated; there is no desire for anything sweet.  A three week "holiday" from both the weight maintenance supplements and Ginger-Yerba has raised my blood pressure, my weight, and my cravings.

Has anyone else had a good experience with this tea combo, or is it just specific to me?
Gosh, Paul, I'm in the midst of weight gain and mild cravings.  I've assumed it was the lack of exercise due to rainy weather and more meat-free meals.  But the other thing I've done was stop the Yerba-Mate tea.

Posted by: Kim, Friday, May 27, 2011, 8:58pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from Drea


Kim, read the labels on the "not" meat products. Most have wheat gluten in them. :-/
Also, protein is fine for A's, as long as it's not red meat. Can you eat turkey?

Fat doesn't make you fat (the link that grey rabbit posted clears that myth up, though I already knew this to be true), excess carbs and sugars make you fat.


I agree, I don't lose any weight if I go low fat.  In fact, fats help me lose weight, not to mention the body does not function well without it.  

Because I can't really read my fingerprints, I am on the line with swami between the Teacher and Warrior.  I gain with rice and am wondering how to really know what to follow when I can't accurately put my fingerprints in.  One tiny change and I go the other direction.  I thought that I could try just doing vegetarian meals for a while and see what happens but that is hard to do if you are not eating any rice or quinoa.  

I would prefer not to buy foods that are "meal ready".  I make all my food and have for a long time.  I can't remember the last time I even ate GF bread.  

I am so frustrated by my weight going up since trying to follow swami.  I am not able to eat all the live food portions due to very slow digestive system.  I just can't digest all that food and what happens is that all of a sudden, I just can't eat.  That usually means skipping dinner which is not helping anything.

I can eat turkey and fish but want it a lot more than swami says I can have it.  Without that meat protein, I am so hungry.  I am dying to eat oatmeal, but so far it is making the scale go up.  Rice causes pain, but I think I am okay with quinoa.  

I was a lousy vegetarian  years ago as far as combining foods correctly.  I lost a lot of muscle mass and at my age, that is hard to get back especially when my health is stopping me from working out.  I am trying to figure out how to mix foods the right way so as not to be protein deficient.  Eating low carb actually helps me keep my weight down, but that goes totally against what swami wants me to do.

I guess that I am feeling very lost with swami right now.  

Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:34am; Reply: 54
Kim, give it some time, relax, go back and read through swami again. Look at the "genoharmonic" food combinations at the end of swami. I am surprised by the large amount of fish I'm given on my Teacher swami, 5 to 7 oz. 5x a week. 5 to 7oz is two cans of sardines, an entire can of tuna, or half a large can of salmon. I don't know how much different your swami is, I'm about the same percent "teacher" as you.

I discovered that sugar was the big issue with my gut that I thought wheat was. I'm still going easy-to-none on the wheat.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:45am; Reply: 55
I've not been eating my swami recommended servings of grains for the week, so tonight I'm having some quinoa with homemade pesto for dinner. Usually I put pesto on rice pasta, but since I'm forgoing any flour products for a while, and I'm eating pasta tomorrow, and rice takes too long to cook, I'm having it over quinoa. I also had some sliced daikon rashish and an apple, while waiting for the quinoa to finish cooking.

Surprisingly, lunch was very filling and lasted me close to 4 hours. I wonder if it was the turnip that filled me up?
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 11:38am; Reply: 56
Quoted from grey rabbit
Kim, give it some time, relax, go back and read through swami again. Look at the "genoharmonic" food combinations at the end of swami. I am surprised by the large amount of fish I'm given on my Teacher swami, 5 to 7 oz. 5x a week. 5 to 7oz is two cans of sardines, an entire can of tuna, or half a large can of salmon. I don't know how much different your swami is, I'm about the same percent "teacher" as you.

I discovered that sugar was the big issue with my gut that I thought wheat was. I'm still going easy-to-none on the wheat.


I don't eat any sugar at all.  I haven't for a very long time. I will look at the genoharmonic food combos again.  They all seem like they would taste terrible to add to each other. My protein servings are the same as yours.

I just can't eat sardines.  I asked the group for suggestions to hide them in things, but I am still reluctant to eat something I hate.  I am not a picky eater at all, just the few things I don't like, I don't want to eat.  

I am wondering if I can just cut out the turkey for a while and increase the fish servings to cover the turkey servings.  I know I digest fish better.  I am eating tuna, although I prefer the albacore. I know it has so much more mercury in it so I am eating the cheaper stuff.  Salmon is sitting like a brick in my stomach when I eat it.  I love it, but for some reason, maybe the extra fat in it, it doesn't digest well.  I am going to have to try some again but maybe split a can over three meals.  

The only thing I have had control over the past year is my weight.  I have lost a lot of weight.  I am hurting all the time, so losing the control over my weight is pushing me over the edge with stress. Not so good when the adrenals aren't working.  I am going to do some more deep breathing and make a few changes within swami, and pray.

Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:08pm; Reply: 57
Kim, have you tried adding a bromalain supplement to your diet? Dr. D has a good one, it has helped me a lot. Before I got my swami I was following the A type diet and I was a pescitarian (I only ate fish, no other meat) and it worked well for me. I don't eat turkey or chicken unless I am having dinner with my type O children, or if it is left over in the fridge and I don't want to waste it.
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:39pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from grey rabbit
Kim, have you tried adding a bromalain supplement to your diet? Dr. D has a good one, it has helped me a lot. Before I got my swami I was following the A type diet and I was a pescitarian (I only ate fish, no other meat) and it worked well for me. I don't eat turkey or chicken unless I am having dinner with my type O children, or if it is left over in the fridge and I don't want to waste it.


I have been using Loomis digestive enzymes but am stopping because of the cost.  I do use Quercitin with Bromelain twice a day.  The one I take is a higher dose of bromelain than Dr. D's product but the NAP Bromelain may absorb better.  I am ordering from NAP this weekend so I will look at that one.    
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, May 28, 2011, 2:00pm; Reply: 59
Soy Boy brand Not Dogs are gluten free. Says it right on the package.  Kim, I'm not a big fruit lover. I have my fruit mostly in the morning. I found that if I eat fruit at night it triggers sugar cravings..
I did think of increasing it to 2 times a day, maybe in the afternoon.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, May 28, 2011, 2:02pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from Drea


I do eat carbs, in the form of grains, starchy vegetables, beans, fruits, and veg gly (beneficial).


I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 2:29pm; Reply: 61
For me, the right kind of sugar makes all the difference in the world. Agave and honey don't have the detrimental effect that cane or beet sugar has. I'm not a big fan of fruit either, except blueberries. Dates are a really good sweet treat if I need it, Lara bars are one of my faves.
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 2:30pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from 815
Soy Boy brand Not Dogs are gluten free. Says it right on the package.  Kim, I'm not a big fruit lover. I have my fruit mostly in the morning. I found that if I eat fruit at night it triggers sugar cravings..
I did think of increasing it to 2 times a day, maybe in the afternoon.  


I really don't crave sugar.  Mostly I want salty things.  

What I find is that if I want something sweet, fruit takes care of that.  I eat Kiwi which are more of a tart/sweet taste.  I do eat pineapple most every day in yogurt and that feels like I am getting dessert.  I just love it.  I found frozen cherries in Costco and they are excellent too. Also, I love dried figs.  It is like a fig newton without the newton.  We have nectarine trees and they just started to fruit this year.  Unfortunately, the deer found the baby nectarines before we could block off the trees.  Down to one tree with nectarines on them.  They are still tiny.

My refrigerator is overflowing so if I buy some frozen fruit or dried fruit to take out as needed it helps. We sell organic eggs and the eggs take up a big part of my fridge.  

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 3:12pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from Kim
I really don't crave sugar.  Mostly I want salty things.  


Have you done an iodine patch test?  Whenever I crave salt, I need iodine...  Not saying it is the same for you, just asking... ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 3:21pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Kim
I guess that I am feeling very lost with swami right now.  

Don't stress over it...  As long as you get some beneficials and avoid the avoids, the body will start healing.  Balance will come as the body heals.  It is not all peaches and cream during the process, though...
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 3:27pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from 815
I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?

While total deprivation from sugar may cause bingeing for some, the largest reason I went on binges was due to eating an avoid that messed with my insulin control.  I would then want the sugars to balance out the blood sugars until I got the junk worked out of the system.
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 3:41pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from ABJoe


Have you done an iodine patch test?  Whenever I crave salt, I need iodine...  Not saying it is the same for you, just asking... ;)


I don't know anything about the iodine patch test.  I used to take Iodorol because I am hypothyroid.  The doctor said I could go off for a while and then when I went to buy some again, everyone was out because of the nuclear issues in Japan.  Craving salt is a symptom of low adrenals.  

My doctor actually has me carry sea salt with me because I have orthostatic intolerance.  I get very dizzy sometimes when I stand as my blood pressure drops and my pulse goes up.  My bp is usually 95/65.  I have the metabolism of a slug.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 5:37pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from 815


I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?


I don't think I feel deprived by not eating sugar. Besides, I didn't binge on sugar, I binged on bread and cheese and wine. The chocolate cake was just the last straw, so to speak.

But, I am listening to your suggestion, Mayflowers. As my contribution to the dinner tonight, I made kale slaw using walnut oil, lemon juice, and agave for the dressing. :)

So far today I've eaten coffee with soy milk, kale slaw (the last that wouldn't fit into the container), sauteed red onion, mushrooms, rutabaga, garlic in evoo.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 5:39pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from grey rabbit
For me, the right kind of sugar makes all the difference in the world. Agave and honey don't have the detrimental effect that cane or beet sugar has. I'm not a big fan of fruit either, except blueberries. Dates are a really good sweet treat if I need it, Lara bars are one of my faves.


Honey does damage in terms of cravings, but agave and veg gly don't. Agave is neutral and veg gly is a superfood. I love fruits, almost all on my swami, and I eat lara bars frequently.

Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 5:49pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from Drea


So far today I've eaten coffee with soy milk, kale slaw (the last that wouldn't fit into the container), sauteed red onion, mushrooms, rutabaga, garlic in evoo.


What kind of soy milk do you use?  Most that I have seen have avoid ingredients.  Not sure I am going to like it in my espresso.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 5:56pm; Reply: 70
I use TJs brand: ingredients are soy beans, filtered water.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 6:00pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from Kim


I don't know anything about the iodine patch test.  I used to take Iodorol because I am hypothyroid.  The doctor said I could go off for a while and then when I went to buy some again, everyone was out because of the nuclear issues in Japan.  Craving salt is a symptom of low adrenals.  

My doctor actually has me carry sea salt with me because I have orthostatic intolerance.  I get very dizzy sometimes when I stand as my blood pressure drops and my pulse goes up.  My bp is usually 95/65.  I have the metabolism of a slug.


Wow, we do sound very similar.  As I think I crave salt more than sweets.  And I've been diagnosed with POTS with hypotension.  I would love to talk to you more about this, because I struggle with low BP too.  They're saying my vessels aren't restricting when they need to be.  I failed a tip table test down at mayo in florida.  Actually I failed most of the neurological tests.  Blowing into a tube, and sweating with electrodes.  Have they ever done those to you?  I think it's low adrenals and poor neurotransmitter function. Plus the usual gut dysbiosis that I've been trying to fix for the last 3 years.  Which is getting better, But, I've yet to overcome all these issues.  At times I feel like I'm getting better in some ways, yet I sometimes feel like I'm worse.  When I try to do much exercise or use my strength, I feel awful.   And it's like there's nothing to slow down my heart rate.  Do you have that problem?  
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 6:26pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from JJR


Wow, we do sound very similar.  As I think I crave salt more than sweets.  And I've been diagnosed with POTS with hypotension.  I would love to talk to you more about this, because I struggle with low BP too.  They're saying my vessels aren't restricting when they need to be.  I failed a tip table test down at mayo in florida.  Actually I failed most of the neurological tests.  Blowing into a tube, and sweating with electrodes.  Have they ever done those to you?  I think it's low adrenals and poor neurotransmitter function. Plus the usual gut dysbiosis that I've been trying to fix for the last 3 years.  Which is getting better, But, I've yet to overcome all these issues.  At times I feel like I'm getting better in some ways, yet I sometimes feel like I'm worse.  When I try to do much exercise or use my strength, I feel awful.   And it's like there's nothing to slow down my heart rate.  Do you have that problem?  


Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?  I know that is a label for a constellation of symptoms.  It is scarey that 3 years later and you aren't fixed by being on swami.  I pray that it doesn't take that long to start feeling like myself again.  

I used to lift weights 3-4 days a week, did cardio 3 times a week or more and trained horses along with a lot of heavy lifting.  When I became ill, just about 4 years ago, everything stopped.  I feel sick if I stand more than 30 minutes.  Even if I have the gumption to try to do a task, I can't finish it because I feel ill. I went from a go, go, go person to a full fledged halt.

I have not done a tilt table test.  Not sure my insurance would pay for it and my doctor hasn't suggested it.  My bp has made it difficult to get my thyroid meds right.  With a low bp, I would get palpitations with the thyroid meds.  The doctor put me on pregnenolone and that has really helped.  Even still, I can't do anything.  Some days it is so difficult to even cook.  My DH helps me on the weekends prepare food for the week.  We make rice and quinoa for him and can even cook something for his lunches for the week days and freeze it.  

When this illness hit, I was sure it was some fluke that would go away if I just rested.  I never thought for one minute that it would last this long.  I have been under a tremendous amount of stress due to my husbands health and a private mortgage we hold that was never paid for by the family we sold the land to.  We are foreclosing on that family now, but we will never get what we had in that note back due to the economy.  They owe us $140K and we will be lucky to get 70K.

I feel your pain with your bp.  Salt helps me get past some of the dizzy spells.  You are younger than I am so you may beat what is going on with you. My gut flora is not good.  I am hoping that PolyFlora is going to fix that.  

My doctor says that chronic fatigue syndrome usually encompasses low adrenals, low thyroid, low hormones, high epstein barr, or past infections.  My past infections on my blood work are long and high titers.  Even with all that, I rarely ever get a cold.  Feeling like you are getting better than actually feeling worse, is the daily grind for me.  I keep praying for God to give me some function back.  My poor husband is doing too much.

Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 10:40pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from SquarePeg
Gosh, Paul, I'm in the midst of weight gain and mild cravings.  I've assumed it was the lack of exercise due to rainy weather and more meat-free meals.  But the other thing I've done was stop the Yerba-Mate tea.
We are well matched in terms of epigenetics.  Try the  Ginger Yerba Mate combination.  I use Traditional Medicinal, but the brand may not be as important as herbs.  I drink a very large pot of this (three bags) as a dessert after each meal.
Posted by: Drea, Sunday, May 29, 2011, 4:43pm; Reply: 74
I went to a dinner party last night and didn't have full control over the menu. I tasted a bit of everything, and brought kale slaw (raw kale, broccoli stems, carrots, walnut oil, lemon juice, and agave), ate the cilantro jicama salad with water cress, ate the pasta primavera with gorgonzola cheese, ate the lemon bars, and the fresh strawberries (one dipped in sour cream, maple sugar, balsamic vinegar mix just to taste it - OMG, very nice combination!), plus some red wine. Oh, yeah, I forgot the corn chips that I ate with guacamole before dinner :o.

Today I'm back on track. I don't have any where to go that I won't be cooking until next weekend.
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, May 29, 2011, 10:46pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from Kim


Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?  I know that is a label for a constellation of symptoms.  It is scarey that 3 years later and you aren't fixed by being on swami.  I pray that it doesn't take that long to start feeling like myself again.  

I used to lift weights 3-4 days a week, did cardio 3 times a week or more and trained horses along with a lot of heavy lifting.  When I became ill, just about 4 years ago, everything stopped.  I feel sick if I stand more than 30 minutes.  Even if I have the gumption to try to do a task, I can't finish it because I feel ill. I went from a go, go, go person to a full fledged halt.

I have not done a tilt table test.  Not sure my insurance would pay for it and my doctor hasn't suggested it.  My bp has made it difficult to get my thyroid meds right.  With a low bp, I would get palpitations with the thyroid meds.  The doctor put me on pregnenolone and that has really helped.  Even still, I can't do anything.  Some days it is so difficult to even cook.  My DH helps me on the weekends prepare food for the week.  We make rice and quinoa for him and can even cook something for his lunches for the week days and freeze it.  

When this illness hit, I was sure it was some fluke that would go away if I just rested.  I never thought for one minute that it would last this long.  I have been under a tremendous amount of stress due to my husbands health and a private mortgage we hold that was never paid for by the family we sold the land to.  We are foreclosing on that family now, but we will never get what we had in that note back due to the economy.  They owe us $140K and we will be lucky to get 70K.

I feel your pain with your bp.  Salt helps me get past some of the dizzy spells.  You are younger than I am so you may beat what is going on with you. My gut flora is not good.  I am hoping that PolyFlora is going to fix that.  

My doctor says that chronic fatigue syndrome usually encompasses low adrenals, low thyroid, low hormones, high epstein barr, or past infections.  My past infections on my blood work are long and high titers.  Even with all that, I rarely ever get a cold.  Feeling like you are getting better than actually feeling worse, is the daily grind for me.  I keep praying for God to give me some function back.  My poor husband is doing too much.



I haven't been doing swami for 3 years.  My crash happened about a little less than 4 years ago.  I think.  It was in the fall and I'm pretty sure I was 35 at the time.  And it took me a while to get on the BTD.  I've only been doing swami for.....  Hang on, let me look...   August of 2009.  But I got frustrated with it and went to the fatigue BTD for a while.  Which was good.  And no, I've never been diagnosed with CFS, but I can tell you, I struggle with it.  Just from how I felt before I had my crash.  It was just like you.  I was strong, full of pee and vinegar, constantly on the go, etc etc.  But, due to stress, lack of sleep, metal toxicity, H.Pylori, and more, I crashed hard.  And had to slow it all down real quick.  

So, I wouldn't be discourage by my results.  I actually see really good things happening.  But, they are kind of bittersweet.  I'm not always sure how to read all my symptoms.  I used to be on over a dozen different supplements to stay afloat.  Now I've been taking 3, daily.  Well, I take digestive enzymes at every meal, so I'm considering that the 3rd.  I do take probiotics some mornings, which would be a fourth.  The other two are a tsp of Cod liver oil and 50-100 mg of ubqh(coq10).  But what I wanted to tell you is that I used to have to take something to kill the H.Pylori, Crypto infection daily.  I was on a homeopath, Gastro D, sometimes 3 or 4 a day.  Sometimes the teacher catalyst.  Paracleanse.  Etc.  I was constantly taking something to get my stomach to want to eat any foods at all.  And have any appetite.  Well, I don't have to do that any longer and my stomach seems to be producing stomach acids better on it's own and getting hungry without all that help.  But it seems like it took me forever.  I eat cultured vegetables every day and I think that helps it quite a bit.  I used to eat ginger like it was going out of style and I KNOW that was helping kill that bug. I also ate garlic quite a bit at one time.  I still eat garlic and ginger nearly daily, but not in the amounts I used to.  There were times I'd eat a clove of garlic on an empty stomach, or two, and still use it in lunch and dinner cooking.    So, there are definite signs of getting better.  

But I was diagnosed with this POTS or what's similar to what you said, orthostatic intolerance and I can tell I get these symptoms.  Dr.D said to try licorice root tea, and I still haven't done it yet.  I need to.  I do notice that when I eat lamb, it helps my bp.  Plus, drinking lots of water every day.  My symptoms with this seem to fluctuate with how I'm feeling.  I got into a good routine over the winter and was gaining weight and felt stronger.  Now this spring, I feel like what you said, after a half hour of being vertical, I'm kind of wiped.  Or just doing mild jobs that take some effort.  My life is doing CAD work on a computer part time, cooking and doing dishes.  In short spurts.  I remember one time in March I was on my feet for about 2 hours, cleaning the refrigerator and cooking and then I overdid and cooked dessert, and I was wiped for a day after that.  It's like my nerves in the center of my body just get all haywire.  I get the chills and my heart rate stays higher than it should at rest.  I got no brakes.  My cardiologist told me to start learning some core strengthening exercise will laying down.  I have exercised some, but it's more like stretching, a little bit of leg lifts and a little bit of stomach strengthening and it never gets my heart rate up much at all.  But it's better than nothing I guess.  I don't do it every day but maybe 3 times a week.  I need to do more, but go slow.  I don't know.  I'd be interested to talk to you more about this either by phone, email or PM.  I have a couple of leads of different people that have struggled with this type of problem and I'm hoping to learn more tips on dealing with it.  There was an exercise program by Dr. Levine in Texas that claims he can cure many people of it.  But my cardiologist said they had people do it and they got mixed results.  I still think for me it all goes back to the disruption in digestion and all the functions it has affected.   Although I'm open to hearing if there is a reason why it happened and if it's treatable.  I have many reasons that I know of that caused it, but some people say it could be a virus or disease like lymes or something.  Which is completely possible.  But even still, I'm not taking antibiotics for lyme, even if they were sure I did have it, because that will just make the digestion worse.  And I think it's the stuff they can't see in the guts that is my problem.  "Biofilms"  Bad bacteria.  Wrong balance, and that's what I'm working on with this diet and trying to find the right probiotic, or cultured food to help that.
Posted by: Kim, Monday, May 30, 2011, 2:55pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from JJR






But I was diagnosed with this POTS or what's similar to what you said, orthostatic intolerance and I can tell I get these symptoms.  Dr.D said to try licorice root tea, and I still haven't done it yet.  I need to.  I do notice that when I eat lamb, it helps my bp.  Plus, drinking lots of water every day.  My symptoms with this seem to fluctuate with how I'm feeling.  I got into a good routine over the winter and was gaining weight and felt stronger.  Now this spring, I feel like what you said, after a half hour of being vertical, I'm kind of wiped.  Or just doing mild jobs that take some effort.  My life is doing CAD work on a computer part time, cooking and doing dishes.  In short spurts.  I remember one time in March I was on my feet for about 2 hours, cleaning the refrigerator and cooking and then I overdid and cooked dessert, and I was wiped for a day after that.  It's like my nerves in the center of my body just get all haywire.  I get the chills and my heart rate stays higher than it should at rest.  I got no brakes.  My cardiologist told me to start learning some core strengthening exercise will laying down.  I have exercised some, but it's more like stretching, a little bit of leg lifts and a little bit of stomach strengthening and it never gets my heart rate up much at all.  But it's better than nothing I guess.  I don't do it every day but maybe 3 times a week.  I need to do more, but go slow.  I don't know.  I'd be interested to talk to you more about this either by phone, email or PM.  I have a couple of leads of different people that have struggled with this type of problem and I'm hoping to learn more tips on dealing with it.  There was an exercise program by Dr. Levine in Texas that claims he can cure many people of it.  But my cardiologist said they had people do it and they got mixed results.  I still think for me it all goes back to the disruption in digestion and all the functions it has affected.   Although I'm open to hearing if there is a reason why it happened and if it's treatable.  I have many reasons that I know of that caused it, but some people say it could be a virus or disease like lymes or something.  Which is completely possible.  But even still, I'm not taking antibiotics for lyme, even if they were sure I did have it, because that will just make the digestion worse.  And I think it's the stuff they can't see in the guts that is my problem.  "Biofilms"  Bad bacteria.  Wrong balance, and that's what I'm working on with this diet and trying to find the right probiotic, or cultured food to help that.



Sent you a pm


Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 30, 2011, 6:01pm; Reply: 77
I think I'm back on track! I didn't react nearly as badly to the avoids (read sugar and wheat flour) in the dinner I consumed on Saturday, and two days later am not jonesing for either. Of course, it does help that I'm not going grocery shopping so soon after the ingesting. It'll still be a couple of days before I can get into Santa Fe to shop.

I'm still keeping track of my swami suggested portions/frequencies and noticed that last week (even including the dinner), I only went over on my dairy and oil portions. And I only went over on the dairy portions because swami gives me 5 tsp OR (5) 6 ounce servings of yogurt, but not both. I eat ghee and yogurt almost every day, so...and I'm not overly concerned about eating more than 5 Tbsp of oil per week.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 12:31am; Reply: 78
I'm in need of a kick-start with "sugar"-y foods. I'm still not ingesting any refined sugar, but have been eating a few too many dried fruits, and drinking too much red wine. I've also been eating too many grains. I get three servings daily, but I find 1-2 per day is more my speed.

I have been drinking a lot of water kefir lately, but don't find that that causes cravings. The opposite, really. It's the red wine, then the bread, even rye bread is causing cravings. I just can't do those right now. :-/
Posted by: chrissyA, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 3:51am; Reply: 79
When you consume alchohol, the first thing to go is your judement - I don't mean you personally, but in general - I know it's true for me. I can be determined to have only one glass, then... well... one more will be fine...etc... Wine is my vice, I just love it. We won't even talk about the sugar/carb factor, and where that leads...

My biggest fear is becoming AuntChrisandherglassofwine (all one word) :B
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 3:56am; Reply: 80
Quoted from chrissyA
When you consume alchohol, the first thing to go is your judgement...


Ain't that the truth!
Posted by: O in Virginia, Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 2:01pm; Reply: 81
Today is Day #1 of avoiding sweets and red wine for me.  Hope I make it!  Auntchrissieandherglassofwine!   ;D
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 10:32pm; Reply: 82
I'm lenient on sugar for some reason.  But by that I mean a once a week treat.... or more, depending.  I am pretty careful really.  Not having a daily dose of chocolate anymore.  It's an important step I think and not as hard as people think if you replace choccy and other sugary foods with healthy foods like nuts, fats, etc.  I find that I can load up on those foods.  If I need a sweet taste I try to use stevia.

The difference for me is that since I eat minimally during the day I don't have that constant insulin battle that can set up you up to want SUGAR!  It's entirely a choice for me now.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:37am; Reply: 83
Since I'm an all-or-nothing type of person (moderation and I are just getting to know one another), I either have to give it up, or eat it. Once a week just won't do, in my case.

I did have a few raisins in my morning bowl of yogurt, and nothing since. I had some rice in the lentil soup I made last night, and some Mary's Gone Crackers for an early dinner, along with some turkey salami (Applegate Farms; my first time trying it...not bad, but won't make it a habit).

I'm off the red wine (again)...as I said, drinking alcohol makes my "resolve" take a back seat.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:37am; Reply: 84
Quoted from O in Virginia
Today is Day #1 of avoiding sweets and red wine for me.  Hope I make it!  Auntchrissieandherglassofwine!   ;D


I'm rooting for you, O in VA! Just take it one day at a time. ;)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 12:41am; Reply: 85
Thank you, Drea.  I made it through Day One with no sugar and no red wine.  I was sorta jonesin' for it, but I stuck it out.  Cold turkey is the only thing that works for me.  I'm the all or nothing type, too.   :-/  I'm having some peppermint tea now...rather than red wine and chocolate.
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