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Posted by: FitnessAddict, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:18pm
i have met people that tried the BTD and did great but they always say it lacks scientific evidence? im like didn't u read the book? isn't ur experience proof enough? what do u guys think?!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:38pm; Reply: 1
It's just lacking the millions of dollars studies that are usually funded by Big Pharma ... :)
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:59pm; Reply: 2
They are parroting what the mainstream media say.  Brainwashing can have a power effect ...

They are asking you to help them find their way through the contradiction.  Hopefully, they want replies to the sceptical voices.

What the media heads are really saying is "I want you to believe that the BTD lacks scientific evidence."  What are the reasons behind this?

  1)  My salary/profit/grant depends upon an understanding about diet, which is threatened by the existence of the BTD.  

When the truth does not help you, a competitive putdown is the way to spin it.

  2)  I don't like the idea of having to change my eating habits but my health is not its best.  My current level of happiness is threatened by the existence of the BTD.

Cynicism is a comfortable way to defend yourself against any new truth that might betray your ignorance.

  3)  Food only feeds you; medicine is what makes you better.

Ignorance can be as pure as the wind-driven snow.

There are many reasons to fear the BTD; we reflexively preserve what has "worked" in the past.  The BTD challenges our notions of food, genetics, personality, pathology, life span, and health.

You will never know why any particular person resists until after they stop doing so.

A little too late to be of use in persuading the person.   ;D
Posted by: 14428 (Guest), Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:16pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from paul clucas
They are parroting what the mainstream media say.  Brainwashing can have a power effect ...

They are asking you to help them find their way through the contradiction.  Hopefully, they want replies to the sceptical voices.

What the media heads are really saying is "I want you to believe that the BTD lacks scientific evidence."  What are the reasons behind this?

  1)  My salary/profit/grant depends upon an understanding about diet, which is threatened by the existence of the BTD.  

When the truth does not help you, a competitive putdown is the way to spin it.

  2)  I don't like the idea of having to change my eating habits but my health is not its best.  My current level of happiness is threatened by the existence of the BTD.

Cynicism is a comfortable way to defend yourself against any new truth that might betray your ignorance.

  3)  Food only feeds you; medicine is what makes you better.

Ignorance can be as pure as the wind-driven snow.

There are many reasons to fear the BTD; we reflexively preserve what has "worked" in the past.  The BTD challenges our notions of food, genetics, personality, pathology, life span, and health.

You will never know why any particular person resists until after they stop doing so.

A little too late to be of use in persuading the person.   ;D


(clap)
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:29pm; Reply: 4
have you ever suspected that so called *scientifique ways of allopathic treatments * might be missleaded??) :o :X ;D ;D  

Evidence based medicine... yup... here BTD/GTD is at home ..but now tell me all about Your belief system... ;)(clap)(ok)(book2)(hehe)(sunny)(shhh)(shhh)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:37pm; Reply: 5
If you just read the first book, you can come to the conclusion that there isn't a lot of scientific evidence for BTD. But once you take a look at Dr D's blogs, the information on this website, all the rest of the books he's written, the textbook he just published, the paramaters for the SWAMI software....

Anybody who claims "there's no scientific evidence" for this work hasn't done their research!
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:38pm; Reply: 6
Paul....great response!  :)

Ruthie, you too!
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:55pm; Reply: 7
Ditto with Ruthiegirl ! Bravo !
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, May 20, 2011, 9:15pm; Reply: 8
Paul, are you implying that there are studies involving actual people who either followed the BTD or were in a control group?

I am familiar with studies that describe how the antigens in the various blood types react with certain foods.  But that doesn't qualify as a study of the BTD itself.

If there are studies for Dean Ornish, Atkins, Mediterranean, Jenny Craig, Nutrasweet, Weight Watchers, etc. then why not BTD?  I would think that a few grad students at UB could conduct one for a thesis project.
Posted by: Freyja, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 5:29am; Reply: 9
Oh please, scientific evidence my a**. Anyone who would like to loose weight starts eating whatever c**p the mainstream reccomends at the moment. "My friend lost a ton of weight doing the 90 day diet I should do that too." Same goes for Atkins, The raw food diet and the pills that reduce the absorbtion of fat, and the ones that reduce the absorbtion of carbs and many many more.
People are lazy and unwilling to do alot of changes to theyr eating habits so they'll grab the first thing that is promising to make them loose weight by doing as little changes to theyr diet as possible.
If you look at the BTD or GTD the first thing that strikes you is the list of avoids and usualy the avoids are your favorite foods. So now you just need an wxcuse to not follow this diet that doesn't let you eat what you want. So you read it lacks scientific evidence and that's enough for you to trash it.  
If a diet suits theyr eating habits they'll try it no questions asked. For instance the 90 day diet is so wildly popular and alot of my friends went on it an realy lost the weight and were all excited about it and noone even thought of asking if it was scientifically proven to work. It alows you one day a week in which you can stuff yourself with cake and one day of carbs, one day of meat and so on. You don't have to give up anything. Sure you loose the weight, all my friends did, but in the end when they stopped the diet they all gained all theyr weight back and then some.
People ado not like to be told that they have to change theyr lifestile and eating habbits completely and forever if they want to loose weight, keep it off and stay healthy. That is the main thing. Once you realize that this is the only way you can do it then you are automaticaly driven to the BTD or GTD because it makes so much sense and after you try and see the results you are hooked and that's the only proof I need.  :)
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 6:19am; Reply: 10
My body is my own doble blind study, my scientific proof, and my test case.. end of discussion..

and when I don't Eat Right then it's my own demise too..

no one else is as good as all that..
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 21, 2011, 8:31am; Reply: 11
tell me the parameters for becoming *scientifique* ;) ;D....
as we once mentioned: first they claim us...second:they beat us and deny...third: they relate to us and accept as it was normal their whole life long  ;D ;D ;D

as usual...another *belief system*...(goofy)(whistle)(funny)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 12:01pm; Reply: 12
They should be paid or compelled to try Dr D's diets and protocols and they'd learn a lot and have the evidences !!
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 3:09pm; Reply: 13
Most people want EASY and FAST.  Whatever promises that wins, everything else is too much work or ??? - whatever excuse they can find...
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 7:58pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from SquarePeg
Paul, are you implying that there are studies involving actual people who either followed the BTD or were in a control group?
No there are no direct formal, peer reviewed studies.  I wish there were!
Quoted from SquarePeg
I am familiar with studies that describe how the antigens in the various blood types react with certain foods.  But that doesn't qualify as a study of the BTD itself.
The XYZ study looked at women in their thirties wanting to loose at least 30 pounds of weight.  The study divided the women into three groups and tried three basic dietary strategies; low fat, low carb, and mixed.  Each woman was found to do best in one of these attempts to loose weight and the tentative conclusion was that genetics were responsible for selecting the most successful weight loss strategy.  Although this does not prove specific food-blood type reactions it does mimic the essential difference between O, A, and B diets.  

IAP is the necessary digestive agent to break meat down for proper digestion.  The levels of IAP range from low in blood type A to medium in blood type B, and high in blood type O.   IAP is one reason why meat consumption should vary with blood type.  This science is not controversial.

If you put the XYZ study, the role of IAP , and provable blood type specificity together this constitutes a substantial defence against the "no scientific evidence" attitude.  I would take these evidences as well as individual experiences and take my stand in a debate.

Quoted from SquarePeg
If there are studies for Dean Ornish, Atkins, Mediterranean, Jenny Craig, Nutrasweet, Weight Watchers, etc. then why not BTD?  I would think that a few grad students at UB could conduct one for a thesis project.
If I had a million dollars (thank you BNL) ..... (whistle)

Quoted from ABJoe
Most people want EASY and FAST.
Sin in haste, repent at leisure.

Will 50 years of poor eating is expiated by only 5 months of good eating?  No.  I don't believe even Dr. D' Adamo can make that possible.

Diets that promise instant success have a rapid turnover in clientele.  People come back to BTD/GTD after years of being away.  You may reluctantly come back to an unpleasant truth, but not to an unpleasant lie.  The extra-ordinary number of people who have bought Dr. D' Adamo's books and have not passed them on to second-hand/thrift retailers is also a unique distinction.

If the diets were not extra-ordinarily good, what can explain these phenomena?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:04pm; Reply: 15
Plenty of Scientific Evidence in the Generative medicine textbook.

Also in the Individualist wiki:

http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Welcome

And in these articles:

http://www.dadamo.com/science.htm
Posted by: Twenzel, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 4:52pm; Reply: 16
I got your scientific proof.  I had three bites of a burger last night.  I was unprepared for a beach BBQ.  I said to myself that I was going to pay.  Sure enough 4 hours later my belly blew up like a ballon and this morning,  you know the term nothing but net, well I had nothing but liquid, if you know what I mean.   Not cheating ever again.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, May 22, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 17
Some people enjoy being ignorant, it does something for them.  People of all blood types will insist  they can eat avoids, that these foods aren't causing them a problem.  I've argued with Os on other boards & my own O sister----wheat & dairy cause weight gain, joint pain & fatigue for Os period but many deny this.  Life is short, I personally don't have time for a scientific study on wheat & dairy.  The blood type diet is for those who have suffered enough already.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, May 22, 2011, 7:01pm; Reply: 18
ya know all about agreements ;) ;D... :X.........
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 7:56pm; Reply: 19
Most people couldn't understand the scientific evidence if you gave it to them.  It takes a certain amount of study/education to "get it".

Scientific evidence isn't what convinced me.  It was, "What's the worst that can happen?" and the answer is "Nothing", so I tried it and it has paid off.  I've been educating myself since starting, and now I can read the scientific evidence and get a little something out of it, but I have enough evidence in my own experience.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, May 22, 2011, 8:04pm; Reply: 20
;D :D(clap)(dance)(evil)(evil)(woot)(woot)(clown) :X
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:17pm; Reply: 21
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:28pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Dr. D
Lack if evidence is not evidence of lack.


true that :)

sometimes lack of evidence is just lack of wanting evidence
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, May 23, 2011, 1:11am; Reply: 23
With some people if they don't know you can't tell them.  ;)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, May 23, 2011, 6:14am; Reply: 24
Assuming someone is a shortsighted naysayer, if they aren't curious enough to dig deeper than the mass market hardback in it's hundred somethingth printing (or are too lazy), they probably aren't ready to find the more detailed answers (or have a vested interest in a different outcome). Instead of asking deeper questions into why he might be saying something and if it has validity as a model, the automatic "no" presents. Perhaps, though, in the case of an individual lay person, they don't want it to be true because they aren't ready to take responsibility for their food or life choices.

The form of what Dr. D is doing now requires a more complex form of study than many of the critics are even capable of yet perceiving. And if they aren't open, they aren't going to get there too soon. It doesn't really matter because they can be worked around.

Results are what matters. Most intimately to the individual. ;)

It chunks up from there.   ;) ;D

Spot on PC.

Night all. I had lots of chocolate and mental stimulation today and it just crashed off. R & R and an essay tomorrow for Masters test and this thread relates loosely to one of the essays so I will process that one tonight and probably write it in the morning.
Posted by: Kim, Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:28am; Reply: 25
All the testimonials and the abundance of healthy people from being on this program for years is enough for me.  All of Dr. D's information makes sense and the proof is in the results that come from it. ;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, May 23, 2011, 1:31pm; Reply: 26
As Dr. D said more than once, he wrote books for lay people. He couldn't put the scientific evidence in the books for mass publication. He has all the scientific evidence anyone would like to look at here on the web site and in his text book.  :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 23, 2011, 1:39pm; Reply: 27
Quoted Text
Peter D'Adamo
The problem with naysayers is that there is usually way too much nay and not enough say.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:55pm; Reply: 28
;D ;D ;D ;D
A gem. Thanks for posting that Lola!
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:56pm; Reply: 29
I'm so glad to read this thread.  I deal with this a lot.  I have a friend who is an authority on EVERYTHING!  When I first started the diet, back in October, we had some friends over for dinner, including Mr. Authority.  I made a fully compliant meal, with other foods for people who could not eat what I could eat.  As we sat around the table, I began to describe the basics of the BTD and why I had chosen it.  Mr. Authority told me that he had read everything about the diet and that it was bunk.  There was no scientific evidence and it didn't work.  One of my friends got really upset at him and told him off in my kitchen, which I was unaware of at the time.

He is a big proponent of the Paleo Diet (he is an O).  Of course, as an O, the Paleo Diet would be pretty good for me as well.  However, when I said that not all people descend from the Paleolithic people, that some descend from Neolithic, it actually shut him up.  He had not response to that.  The funny thing is, too, is that the other people around the table thought that the BTD made more sense because it is not a "one size fits all" diet.

Also, I think it is important to understand that diets like the 90 day diet, for example, are only meant to stay on for 90 days.  It is not a lifestyle eating plan that you can follow for the rest of your life.

People are creatures of habit.  I had dinner at friends' house the other night and sat next to a woman I don't know very well.  I told her about some of my food restrictions and my diet, as there were a lot of things laid out for appetizers I could not eat, so I brought my own Manchego cheese and rice crackers to share.  She started telling me all of the stomach problems she has and all the medication she is on and the pain she suffers after eating.  She had too much stomach acid. She has arthritis as well.  I told her that she should figure out her blood type (I assume she is an O) and consider the BTD, as it will help her to eliminate the foods that bother her and be anti-inflammatory as well.  She told me she could never give up coffee or bread.  I told her about tea with caffeine and non-wheat bread, but forget it.  She would rather suffer and be able to eat what she wants to eat.  Who knows, maybe she will get fed up some time in the future and decide to contact me.  You can lead a horse to water . . .

I chose the BTD because I have read so many diet and nutrition books out there.  I still read them and have a stack of them on my nightstand.  However, while I may gain insight and understanding from the other books, to me, the one size fits none approach is best.

Oh, and by the way, Mr. Authority has lost ZERO weight on the Paleo Diet, while I have lost eight pounds and can only probably lose a pound or two more.  As we all know, those last ten pounds are the hardest and I am just about there.  Mr. Authority has at least 50 pounds to lose, so that is proof enough for me!
Posted by: Jane, Monday, May 23, 2011, 3:48pm; Reply: 30
Great thread.....bottom line is that it works!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, May 23, 2011, 6:55pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Freyja
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...the 90 day diet ... alows you one day a week in which you can stuff yourself with cake and one day of carbs, one day of meat and so on. You don't have to give up anything.
-snip-
Is there really such a diet!??!  Amazing!  I was eating like that before I turned to the BTD.  That my diet!

Posted by: FitnessAddict, Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:07pm; Reply: 32
To be honest with u guys there not all ignorant, most people that dont knw anything about it are IGNORANT! There like man, oranges and tomatoes are good for u! and look at u like ur crazy! I mean i have immediate reactions when i eat those foods u dont know my body?!! But anyways, people that tried it they will be like, man, it works but whole organic foods & eating in variety, fits all and will not harm u but u wouldn't benefit the most of ur body though like when ur on btd. Which to be honest with u, is true. I mean go ask any of the old guys out there that are 90-99 that are healthy they would tell u, eat in variety and simply dont eat too much! Also some people say that eating avoids will benefit you somehow (they tried BTD) although having some bloating and stuff but still we will benefit from it, for example like eating an orange ill get the vit c in it or eating a steak ill get some iron in me and so on! That being said, VARIETY & WHOLE oragnic Foods is key. What do you guys think???

PS; Most people i meet are in the gym, pls every time u go to the gym talk to atleast 1 person after ur workout about btd, i find overweight people and obese people respond better than skinny or muscular lol.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 12:19am; Reply: 33
The more desparate the person, sometimes the more open they are. Or if they are on a journey that has eliminated lots of other possible solutions.  :D
Posted by: DoS, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 6:36pm; Reply: 34
"Plenty of scientific evidence. Zero peer-approved proof. Testimonials claim amazing results."

That is how it should read whenever someone wants to be a skeptic.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, May 26, 2011, 4:00pm; Reply: 35
If you build something based on something that works, is it ethical to subject a control group to something that doesn't? Wouldn't it be more ecological to share what works? Why, me thinks, yes it would-- especially when the results are both short and long term and the size and magnatude to account for individual variables would be ridiculous. Oh, wait, most of the studies are based on the premise that we are all the same or different in one way.  :)

Perhaps a shift in thought will take time for some...

The studies of genes themselves are now clearly pointing to changing the approach. Other people will catch up in the thought process.

Macro/micro maps on my mind.  8)

Perhaps tracking SWAMI with outcomes would be useful. Maybe this is being done in Pro?
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, May 28, 2011, 10:18pm; Reply: 36
There is no place to track anything in Swami except body weight and current medical issues.

We are waiting for the conceptual tide to come in, AKArtlover.   :)

I wish some enterprising lawyer could start a class-action law suit against the use of the Food Pyramid.  Dieticians have a lot to answer for ...   >:(
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Sunday, May 29, 2011, 1:02am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Dr. D
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.


;D Oh, thank you, Dr. D. I am having a bit of a rough night, so I popped onto the board (usually a good idea if one needs perking up) and I saw this post. It made me laugh. Thank you.

Btw, here's a little science for anyone who wants any:  I've lost 85 lbs on the GTD and I'm not done yet. I've kept it ("it" being defined as the original 73 lbs I wanted to lose, plus the extra I've lost since then) off for over a year. I've had not ONE craving, not one major slipping out of feeling in balance and strong, and just this very evening, it's a scientific fact that a neighbor I hadn't seen in a while almost fell over when he saw me out walking, and he said "Ed!  I'm proud of you!"

It's science, baby.  
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, May 29, 2011, 1:23am; Reply: 38
Yes, I procrastinated, brain overload and other priorities, but been thinking a lot and listening to CD's while driving. I see an easier essay test question to condense down to 500-1500 words, but I think this might be the most practical one. There is sooooo much though to this as the ER series books just scratch the surface.

Need to say some prayers and instruct my unconscious to construct this for me tonight and point me to the right resources when I sit down to type. And to chunk up and down as necessary. (pray)(book2)

PT, you rock! Like Dr. D says, you did the work. He gave you a map, but you took the journey.  ;)

This is a great community (with a great person behind it, who's unintentional intention shows through ;)).  8) Thank you all for helping me learn and grow! And giving me some laughs on the way! ;D



Jumping ship on that question with regards to the test, too much to squeeze down. A few hours of work. Letting it float on the hard drive for now.  :B
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, May 30, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 39
Yea the more i learn about myself, the more i realize that most grains, breads, and starchy noodles i used to eat a lot were not good for me.  

I ate a lot of this and my blood sugar would crash, leaving me irritable.  I leaned  up and added muscle eating mostly meats, fruits, and veggies and breaking a sweat!  

So the grains in the food pyramid are not optimal, at least for me.  I never consumed milk or much dairy every in my life.  Dairy sits heavier in me than any other food group by far.

I believe that the lower protein and plant intake and higher grain and sugar intake today causes most of todays "killer" diseases of aging.

If you look at the health of industrialized socieities, it is evident that the typical lifestyle is not conducive to health.
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:05am; Reply: 40
I dispute what i said earlier!  I need to read the actual gt book more and talk less!  The book does say that many grains and seeds and dairy can interfere with explorer detox (which is why i have have been feeling better overall, cuz i cut them down a lot) other GT's do well with them.  I still feel like plants and various meats (depending on GT) are the prime foods for health though.

Different strokes for different folks!
Posted by: grey rabbit, Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 2:28am; Reply: 41
It's odd how the whole "scientific study" thing gets thrown around. Truly, how many diets out there have "scientific studies" behind them?  It is ridiculously difficult to do a study of diets, because it is nearly impossible to control what people eat. Oh sure, they will report their food diary, but rarely is that what they actually ate!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, June 2, 2011, 3:39pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from AKArtlover
PT, you rock! Like Dr. D says, you did the work. He gave you a map, but you took the journey.  ;)

:D  :K)

Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 2, 2011, 8:59pm; Reply: 43
Quoted Text
Truly, how many diets out there have "scientific studies" behind them?  It is ridiculously difficult to do a study of diets, because it is nearly impossible to control what people eat. Oh sure, they will report their food diary, but rarely is that what they actually ate!


Studies from well known universities is what we are talking about, when dieters are supervised 24/7. I mean youtube the Atkins diet, u'll find couple of documentaries just studying the Atkins diet, they bring a bunch of people, feed them the diet and weight & blood test them. They are supervised 24/7, giving at the end of the documentary the experience and evidence the dear viewer needs to knw  ;D. If only Dr.D does a documentary like this, but it needs money! I mean if only a couple of camera men walk around in Dadamo's clinic and ask patients about there experience using D's diet and stuff will do it, people love to see, they need this.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:25pm; Reply: 44
I think there may be a couple of things in the works. I'm working on something related, and I was chatting with Eric at IFHI.

One thing about the Atkins thing you mentioned, very short term. Also, giving up the grains, from what I have learned, is probably going to drop weight on most people.

There is a lot more thought process behind Dr. D's work than most people realize from the mass market books.

There is a lot of info on this website, but seeing Dr. D speak and listening to the IFHI conference CD's absolutely floored me.  ;)
Posted by: Azure Agony, Friday, June 3, 2011, 2:37pm; Reply: 45
In my line of previous work I knew various food sensitivity testers that would periodically visit the store I was working in. One chap, a genuinely nice fellow, though was nevertheless quite opinionated in that he thought everyone should be lacto vegetarians. He picked up my Genotype Diet book, literally flicked through it very quickly, screwed his face up then put it down.

Now, if he had still thought that everyone should be lacto vegetarian but was himself willing to exercise an open mind then that would have been very different. Fair enough in that regard I say / feel. I know lots of people that have gained some benefit from trying out various school of thought, that's great, I don't shove this down their throat, neither do they try to force their experiences and views on me.

I'll be honest, if I could be a successful type O vegetarian, live on several sources of vegetable proteins a day, I would. I've tried it and for me, it doesn't work - I just get over weight. I look very well on it but weight control is very hard. Also eating a lot of just one food group gets a bit 'gutty' after a while in my experience.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, June 3, 2011, 5:04pm; Reply: 46
Oh, do tell what "gutty" means, Azure. I'm not familiar with the term.
Posted by: Azure Agony, Friday, June 3, 2011, 5:13pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from AKArtlover
Oh, do tell what "gutty" means, Azure. I'm not familiar with the term.


Plain bloody boring. ;D A 'chore' would be another way of describing it. :)
Posted by: JayGee7, Friday, June 3, 2011, 5:41pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
With some people if they don't know you can't tell them.  ;)


Ain't that the truth???? I live with some of those kinds and work with some. It can be frustrating, but I don't let it. I just say, oh well! All I can do is the best I can do, take care of myself by doing the diet and show them! Then, if they choose to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the results, it's just too bad so sad!
(wink)
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, June 3, 2011, 6:03pm; Reply: 49
I don't put a lot of stock in science but I know this diet is scientific because it  does seem to work for people.  I can push dairy & wheat through my system; I gain a little, usually in terms of body fat.  Many Os say they eat these two types of food with no problems & refuse to discontinue.  Why do so if there's no "proof".  The symptoms are more subtle, harder to admit I think if you like to think of yourself as healthy.  People don't want to hear about dietary restrictions other than calories..... that sounds more "scientific" to most people.  Like Weight Watchers.  That diet has huge appeal because it let's you eat a little bit of everything & people do lose weight on it.  I've argued with people on other boards who say WW has "scientific" studies to back it.  I always go back to blood type because I like how my tissues un-bloat so quickly.  WW people would rather count points and log exercise sessions.  They think it makes more "sense".
Posted by: DoS, Friday, June 3, 2011, 6:09pm; Reply: 50
I think "scientific evidence" is about the lamest nomenclature possible. It is implying that there is some "evidence" laying about that proves or disproves everything... Reality is that studies with the ABO calculated in have given Dr. D - I would guess - probably the majority of information he has synthesized into something useful.

What lacks is studies. There is plenty of supporting "evidence" found in research journals, but no proof that Dr. D's claims are the answer to the issues.

People are becoming so stupid they should just die. They do not even understand their own language these days. They are inept to interpreting the world around them with words in such a way that should be considered credible. Put it to you this way, I fully support criticism of Dr. D if it is real criticism. I do very little supporting though because that type of criticism barely exists.
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, June 3, 2011, 11:27pm; Reply: 51
Look to nature for answers...eating a plant, fruit, and meat diet (varys with GT) is what we are designed for.
Posted by: Harry O, Sunday, June 5, 2011, 3:34pm; Reply: 52
At one time i used to subscribe to the paleo diet science pioneers e.g. Dr. Loren Cordain and Dr. Weston A Price and while i'm still intrigued of their hunter gatherer diet studies however they haven't answered to my satisfaction about how genetic drift and epigentics plays a part in human diet as Dr. D has done alot of research into these fields to show how and why all humans today are not designed to eat the ''one size fits all'' diet that numerous so called diet experts are still are pushing currently.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:29pm; Reply: 53
I don't need to wait for the scientific study or the documentary.  I am the documentary.  And I like how this non-fiction story is progressing.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:06pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from Harry O
At one time i used to subscribe to the paleo diet science pioneers e.g. Dr. Loren Cordain and Dr. Weston A Price and while i'm still intrigued of their hunter gatherer diet studies however they haven't answered to my satisfaction about how genetic drift and epigentics plays a part in human diet as Dr. D has done alot of research into these fields to show how and why all humans today are not designed to eat the ''one size fits all'' diet that numerous so called diet experts are still are pushing currently.


As an O, however, Tall Hunter, I would imagine you did fairly well on the Paleo Diet?  I first learned about cutting out carbs and eating more protein from the Atkins Diet, many years ago.  As an O myself, that had a profound impact on my ability to control my hypoglycemia, and for that I will be forever grateful for the Atkins Diet.  The BTD and GTD were the natural next steps for me because I had already experienced the positive aspects of the Atkins Diet.  Some are fortunate enough to find the BTD first.  Others of us take a more circuitous route, like me.
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:42pm; Reply: 55
A "paleo" diet would essentially be healthy for all people if all these blood types are millions of years old, as i strongly believe they are.  The specific foods matter, but no person should consume cereal whole grains and dairy in substantial amounts.  These are the top two food allergens in the world.  
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:48pm; Reply: 56
I believe, forgot to say that.  Also, nuts and citrus fruits come in at 3 and 4 in worldwide allergens.
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 12:26am; Reply: 57
Quoted from Easy E
I believe, forgot to say that.  Also, nuts and citrus fruits come in at 3 and 4 in worldwide allergens.
I wonder how many citrus "allergies" are simply due to the histamine release that is caused by eating citrus.
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 3:02am; Reply: 58
I like citrus fruits, but they seem to make my stomach feel acidic and give me a lot of mucus production.  I used to drink OJ all the time!  I read the top four food allergies worldwide are dairy, wheat/whole grain, nuts and some seeds, and citrus fruit.
Posted by: Harry O, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 9:24am; Reply: 59
Quoted from Patty H


As an O, however, Tall Hunter, I would imagine you did fairly well on the Paleo Diet?  I first learned about cutting out carbs and eating more protein from the Atkins Diet, many years ago.  As an O myself, that had a profound impact on my ability to control my hypoglycemia, and for that I will be forever grateful for the Atkins Diet.  The BTD and GTD were the natural next steps for me because I had already experienced the positive aspects of the Atkins Diet.  Some are fortunate enough to find the BTD first.  Others of us take a more circuitous route, like me.


Yes sadly i've only discovered over the  last year or two that i really seem to do well on a blood type-o/paleo high fat diet and so i was at first convinced that all humans should eat that way since we still carry copies of DNA from our 1.8 million years of being hunter gatherer's (homo hamblis, homo ergaster etc.) as like Cordain and others teach however whenever i read about all the testimonials on here from blood type - A's that thrive on a low red meat diet and high carbs along with knowing of the different geno type bodies and millions of thriving vegans that tells me that billions of humans over the thousands of generations have mutated genetically since the first agriculture days of the ancient sumerians along with Dr D's explanation about how and why our blood types changed in relation to our new enviromental stressors while we slowly populated the globe from our ''out of africa'' event some 75,000 years ago..

One thing that has always puzzled me is how those first agriculture peoples while discovering wheat and barley to survive and even thrive to create the first city states how they dealt with celiac as they must have had that disease before numerous future generations developed the genes to deal with it.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 12:37pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from Harry O


One thing that has always puzzled me is how those first agriculture peoples while discovering wheat and barley to survive and even thrive to create the first city states how they dealt with celiac as they must have had that disease before numerous future generations developed the genes to deal with it.


Early grain crops at that time were considerably different than wheat grown today.

Posted by: Azure Agony, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 12:55pm; Reply: 61
I never really have believed in coincidences. People report that they feel better on this way of eating therefore as far as I'm concerned the evidence is right there. Proof is in the pudding!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 1:34pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Azure Agony
Proof is in the pudding!


Is there pudding on your SWAMI?!? JK. I find it hard to resist a bad joke!  ;D
Posted by: Azure Agony, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 2:52pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from AKArtlover


Is there pudding on your SWAMI?!? JK. I find it hard to resist a bad joke!  ;D


I don't need a pudding, I'm sweet enough.  ;D
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 2:54pm; Reply: 64
Nice. ;D
Posted by: Harry O, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 3:56pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from C_Sharp


Early grain crops at that time were considerably different than wheat grown today.



Thanks for that observation as i hadn't realised that.
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 3:24am; Reply: 66
If you consider the great apes, gorillas, bonobos, chimpanzees, and orang-utans, they possess the same four ABO antigens as humans as far as i have read.  Chimps and bonobos are almost all A with small amounts of O, never B.  Gorillas are almost all B with small amounts of O with no recorded A.  Orang-utans are said to possess all four blood types found in humans.  Considering we all hail from a commmon ape ancestor some 15 million years ago, i think these blood types are quite old.  Every ape including humans ate nothing but plant foods, fruits, and meats.  Plants, leaves, and fruits make up the majority of great ape diets, with some meaty foods here and there.  Today, we see people, even on this website, of all blood types who are gluten or grain intolerant, dairy intolerant, etc.  We have not fully evolved to accommodate these foods as well as our original diet of plants, fruits, flowers, and meats.  I personally love red meat and eat it up to 5 times a week.  But i feel very good after eating it.  

Thats what i have got out of all this stuff!! There is no possible way to eat like our cousins with all the processed and instant foods we have that taste so good today though! :P  It is also very sad to see the great apes endangered the way they are today.  I think there is a lot to learn from them.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:21am; Reply: 67
Quoted Text
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. ...... Dr D.    YOU are so right..


Understanding is a key.. the BTD/GENO books I own are mine, when I give one away, I replace it.. my shelf has room for more books.. keep them coming.. It is all the science I need.  
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 7:03pm; Reply: 68
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3925306/video-blood-type-diet
how ignorant is this women?
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 7:09pm; Reply: 69
http://health.ninemsn.com.au/dietandnutrition/nutrition/8200056/does-the-blood-type-diet-really-work

i love this nutritionist better ;D
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 7:13pm; Reply: 70
there's not much videos out there bout BTD  ::)
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:54pm; Reply: 71
Fitnessaddict, this is her opinion.  We do not know what she knows, which i am sure is more than either of us.  I use GTD as a guideline, not as a Bible.  Truth is that there is more variability within a blood type group than between blood groups.  D'adamo's work shows this to be true.
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:22pm; Reply: 72
She looks like she knows the truth, why would a nutritionists not read the book thats a bestseller? ;D but the thing is she can't admit it. If she does, evreytime a client comes in, she should ask them whats ur blood type AND thats what they FEAR. They want the one size fits all because thats what they studied and thats the majority.. ITS all about money, without signing papers with Dr.D why would she admit and use the diet for her clients (BUSTED) lol ;D
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:38pm; Reply: 73
http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/science/5/blood_type_diet_eat_right_for_your_blood_type/29941/
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:43pm; Reply: 74
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=7111829

"And how she feels is all the proof she needs"  :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:49pm; Reply: 75
FA that is our very v own Wholefoodie who did that interview. :)

Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 11:33pm; Reply: 76
I like the genotype diet because the BTD protocols weren't right for me.  The genotype diet portrayed a near perfect sketch of me and i no longer have the anxiety and rage problems i had before.  I eat the explorer diet and exercise accordingly.  The A explorers do poorly with the original BTD.  Neither one, nor four sizes fits all.  Hell, maybe its six!!!!
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:41am; Reply: 77
Andrea AWsec wow atleast we saw her and her kitchen lol ;D..
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:44am; Reply: 78
Easy E; thats great the GTD is working for you, again, BTD doesn't work for everybody thats why u should determine which diet u need via a test. But trust me man, those nutritionist even if you tell the about GTD she will still say it lacks scientific evidence so its not we dont knw what she knows, she knows what we knw but doesn't want to admit so ;D ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, June 10, 2011, 1:12pm; Reply: 79
She ought to at least try it with an open mind.  That is what real science is all about.  It is always a work in progress.
Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, June 10, 2011, 1:44pm; Reply: 80
I've long since concluded that if you are going to do anything significant in this world you're bound to tick off some people.

I don't often quote Lyndon Johnson (LBJ), but on this subject he did have a good point:

Quoted Text
It takes a master carpenter to build a good barn, but any idiot with a match can burn it down.
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Friday, June 10, 2011, 3:14pm; Reply: 81
Dr.D's quotes are epic ;D ;D
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Friday, June 10, 2011, 3:16pm; Reply: 82
i always wondered how tall is Dr.D, he look tall on the pics i saw, anyone met him and would give us a guess??


or maybe he'll reply... heheheh :X :X
Posted by: tessieUK, Friday, June 10, 2011, 5:22pm; Reply: 83

Easy E
no person should consume cereal whole grains and dairy in substantial amountsquote][/quote]
Actually Bs should consume diary in significant amounts for health benefits.

"Truth is that there is more variability within a blood type group than between blood groups.  D'adamo's work shows this to be true."[quote][/quote]
There is variability within blood types-hence Swami/genotype diets. More variability between than within-how could the blood type diet possibly work then?? Dr Ds work proves the opposite. . .
Also a paleo-meat and veggies type diet does not benefit everyone as you seem to keep suggesting. Evidently it works for you-but its a mistake to generalise to 'all people.' What Dr D'adamos work shows is that we each have a unique genetic make-up which determines inner conditions that govern whether foods affect us beneficially or detrimentally (or in a neutral way) and can be placed within the parametres of blood type.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, June 10, 2011, 5:53pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Dr. D
I've long since concluded that if you are going to do anything significant in this world you're bound to tick off some people.

Quotable quote ALERT!  (clap)
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, June 10, 2011, 11:32pm; Reply: 85
I was saying all of these genotypes have certain meats (poultry, fish, red meats) and plants and fruits that are allowable.  Not all genotypes have many grains, dairys, etc.  Some can tolerate better these newer additions, but no one goes wrong with fruits, veggies, and some poultry, fish, or perhaps even a red meat depending on how you are geared.  I am just throwing out ideas.
I am not saying anything bad about this fantastic piece of work.  
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 3:25am; Reply: 86
FA, thanks for finding the video of WF! She showed it to me after explaining it and my jaw dropped at the end. What a smart aleck comment by the anchor! I was stuck by the typical "balanced" superficial reporting. Except the "balance" is by someone who doesn't have a clue! It's all about the calories, same old. same old. ::)

Posted by: FitnessAddict, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 87
Quoted Text
It's all about the calories, same old. same old.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:46pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from FitnessAddict
Easy E; thats great the GTD is working for you, again, BTD doesn't work for everybody thats why u should determine which diet u need via a test. But trust me man, those nutritionist even if you tell the about GTD she will still say it lacks scientific evidence so its not we dont knw what she knows, she knows what we knw but doesn't want to admit so ;D ;D ;D ;D


The only way this diet wouldn't work for everyone is if there is something else involved that's causing a destubrance in the force. Hormone changes ...things like that. or environmental factors. This diet is the bomb..
:)
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, September 1, 2011, 5:10pm; Reply: 89
Now I can't remember enough of the XYZ article, that I mentioned in post 14, to google it!

Some British article, possibly.  

Does anyone remember reading it?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, September 1, 2011, 9:28pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from Dr. D
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.


Dr. D, that's a totally new take on the famous quote by a forensic pathologist,

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."  (I forget who said it, but it's in a well known forensic textbook on blood stain pattern analysis. ETA: by Paul Erwin Kish, 1996; Some attribute the quote to Carl Sagan. I don't know if he said it first or not.)
Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:41am; Reply: 91
Quoted Text

'If I have not paid greater attention to my numerous critics, it is not that I have failed to study them ; it is simply that I have remained --obstinately it may be-- convinced that these views expressed are, relatively to our present state of knowledge, substantially correct.' ---Karl Pearson, The Grammar of Science


Medicine is, by nature, an inexact science.

So there.
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, September 4, 2011, 2:27am; Reply: 92
At least the BTD and GTD uses food, exercise, and supplements as medicine instead of using foreign chemicals in the body.  

The explorer profile described me scarily well bodily and psychologically, the same for my fiance who is a gatherer.  May not be exact, but it is hitting the nail pretty close on the head!  

I actually consider genotypes and personality when counseling clients at work.  It helped me understand that some people really are built differently than others and that what works for one person may not be good for another.
Posted by: Beachgirl, Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:32am; Reply: 93
When I read ER4YT, I was amazed at how perfectly my type O immune system was described from allergies, asthma, anxiety, adrenal fatigue right down to the very antibiotics my type O son & I are allergic to!  There's no way someone could pull that info out of their hat as a "guess"!  That was all the proof I needed!   ;)
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, September 5, 2011, 12:06am; Reply: 94
Exactly!  A dared a person on a FB group to read the Explorer Monograph.

Indentified self as Explorer - as I had expected.

That does not happen by accident.
Posted by: Beachgirl, Monday, September 5, 2011, 3:29am; Reply: 95
:)
Posted by: Harry O, Monday, September 5, 2011, 11:29pm; Reply: 96
When i read Dr. D describing Matt on page 118 of the Geno Type Diet book i was like ''Wow that's also me exactly to the T'' (physically and emotionally) even before i knew that i was a Hunter Geno !!

Great work Dr. D !!
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 11:06am; Reply: 97
YES indeed- had I known my Geno type 47 YEARS ago I would have been able to change my whole life!  

I would have known why I fight myself in almost all I do.. food stress exercise, and SELF image..

Yes WE are the science others can't admit their 'possibility of true science'.....  :o
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