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Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, May 2, 2011, 3:08am
Aw, come on.  You know you want to come.  

So what's one or two foods you'd really like to nibble on that you've deprived yourself of for months or years?

I had some black pepper tonight.  It was delicious.  Now I'm ready to quit it again.
Posted by: geminisue, Monday, May 2, 2011, 4:11am; Reply: 1
what a coincidence, I also had black pepper, first time in a long time, but it was a few days ago.  It was good!  I still like red pepper better!  ;)
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Monday, May 2, 2011, 12:22pm; Reply: 2
I too had pepper last night for the first time in a long time. It was on a bite of pepper steak while I was waiting for my chicken. I did not care for it one bit. My throat was burning and I had edema big time.
Posted by: upnorth6, Monday, May 2, 2011, 12:39pm; Reply: 3
Here is what my "dream" meal would be: A brick oven pizza...the thin crust a perfect ratio of crunchy and chewy. The sauce a sweet tomato basil with a hint of spiciness. The cheese would be a mix of fresh mozzarella, parmesan, feta and goat. There would be giant slices of tomatoes, roasted garlic and basil leaves placed on top....drizzle of olive oil, pinch of sea salt and oregano.....Paired with a fruity, spicy Merlot..

For dessert a decadent slice of tiramisu with an espresso laced with frangelico and baileys....splash of Jameson....
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:14pm; Reply: 4
oh I like this heading... pity.. owauhhh what a treat.. but today I have only to feel sooory for me that I have a big belly and my pants fall down..  why do they turn over.. I mean why?

and I still have to attend one more luncheon .. but today should be the end .. then it is going to be a cleanse and a serious evaluation of how best to drop some pounds..

There has to be a way that this can be done without walking 20 miles with on army back pack going up hill. ;D

I am not sorry for all that I ate, wrong foods and right foods, but I do pay a big price.  So now after 2pm (and the last of the funeral) today it's over and with it the pity party too.  I am looking forward to getting off this 'time out' chair.  Enough already. Great post for 10 minutes 'time out' then back to basics.. I am going to make my own 'pure' cajon spice in my own bottle.. glad you all reminded me. red pepper is best..  8)

question is red pepper the same as cayenne  ??)??      

  
Posted by: Jane, Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:32pm; Reply: 5
Pizza sounds good - any really good bread - like a piece of a fresh baguette......It's been at least 15 years since I've knowingly had any wheat.  
The things I cheat on are sugary.  I found these very expensive gluten free cookies at WFs.  They really don't have any bad avoids for me but they are very sweet....made by a company called Aleia and they are almost $10/bag....but SO good.
I also love goat's milk cheddar and I eat a lot more than I should of that....
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:33pm; Reply: 6
no I don't think so Goldieshatz, red pepper  is a dif. plant as chayenne is...
pp... :o :B(hehe)(hehe)got some no'no's lately and yup what a pity but no party at all ;)... :P I only was forced to seek the woods while driving...(dizzy)(scared)(funny) :X
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:39pm; Reply: 7
I miss coconut more than anything else. I've been dairy-free for so long that it's second nature to me, even if it's something I keep stopping and starting. I don't really miss milk at all. But I've used coconut milk as a creamer for so long- that rich, creamy flavor and mouth feel- yum!

I also miss goat milk yogurt and kefir. I always felt good after eating those.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 8
Wheat pastry and really good bread.  Aged cheeses.  But I sure don't miss the way they made me feel!   ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:50pm; Reply: 9
Lobster, king crab, potatoes, fried chicken (actually anything fried) good Italian bread (gluten grains), pizza, yogurt, cottage cheese. (I get lots of hard cheeses but I prefer soft ones).
Posted by: grey rabbit, Monday, May 2, 2011, 2:14pm; Reply: 10
Potato chips with sour cream and onion dip! I love potato chips and they are the worst thing I could possibly cheat on, don't really miss anything else.
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, May 2, 2011, 4:43pm; Reply: 11
this thread is food porn...the "penthouse letters" version!
Posted by: TJ, Monday, May 2, 2011, 5:07pm; Reply: 12
Pizza, ham, bacon, corn chips, cornbread, grilled cheese sandwiches, PB&J, cold cereal with milk...
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:09pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from EquiPro
this thread is food porn...the "penthouse letters" version!



Food porn!  LOL

Notice how many of us are craving different forms of fat!!  

Now I want bacon!

with a side of potato chips and dip.

and a hot fudge sundae  (with chocolate mint chip ice cream)

and a pizza.

Going to eat lunch now.  Brown rice, tofu and vegetables



Posted by: Freyja, Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:25pm; Reply: 14
Pizza!!! Thin crunchy crust made of wholemeal grain, fresh pelati, mozzarella, radicchio, a couple of slices of prosciutto and a little sauce mede from chopped garlic, parsley and olive oil. Used to be my favorite pizza.
And for dessert cottage cheese cake crostata with blueberryes :)
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 15
The "A"s want fat.  The "O"s want STARCH/ sugar!
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:55pm; Reply: 16
I get plenty of fat; I miss sourdough bread and pizza.
Posted by: Kim, Monday, May 2, 2011, 7:18pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from upnorth6
Here is what my "dream" meal would be: A brick oven pizza...the thin crust a perfect ratio of crunchy and chewy. The sauce a sweet tomato basil with a hint of spiciness. The cheese would be a mix of fresh mozzarella, parmesan, feta and goat. There would be giant slices of tomatoes, roasted garlic and basil leaves placed on top....drizzle of olive oil, pinch of sea salt and oregano.....Paired with a fruity, spicy Merlot..

For dessert a decadent slice of tiramisu with an espresso laced with frangelico and baileys....splash of Jameson....


I am drooling.  Me too!!!  All of the above....but then I would have to go to the hospital for gut pain. :'(
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:00pm; Reply: 18
I can't think of anything I miss except for all the desserts I would like to eat.
Posted by: upnorth6, Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:46pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from EquiPro
this thread is food porn...the "penthouse letters" version!


Thank you for making me giggle...... ;D

Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:50pm; Reply: 20
Ice cream.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Monday, May 2, 2011, 11:01pm; Reply: 21
I don't eat sweets or even want them anymore, but for some reason I sometimes think about fudge-covered graham crackers.  I think, though, that it is more the memory that goes with them than the actual food itself.  When I was about 3-5 years old my mom would take me shopping with her to a local store run by menonites.  It's a cool place because it has that old time general store kind of feel to it.  Sometimes she would buy fudge-covered graham crackers, and I'd eat one on the car ride home.  One time at that store my mom bought me an ice cream sandwhich, and by the time we left the parking lot I had made such a mess with it that my mom had to stop the car.  ah, memories  :)  I still shop at that store, but I leave the cookies on the shelf.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:32am; Reply: 22
Quoted from 10809
Ice cream.

Oh yeah, how could I forget that???  Edy's Mint Chocolate Chip...
Posted by: upnorth6, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:37am; Reply: 23
Quoted from TJ
PB&J, cold cereal with milk...


Both major childhood favorites of mine......I miss the sqishy squash of PB&J, I would load the bread with so much PB and homemade strawberry or raspberry jam I would have to cut it in half because it would be too heavy to pick it up!

MMMM...cereal.....the icy cold with the crunchy crunch.....the other day I was desperate for some type of cereal so I took plain soy milk, frozen blueberries, nuts and flaxseeds....made a good substitute....lol

Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:51am; Reply: 24
upnorth, your pizza.....sounded just too good....and with the merlot!
I am having a glass of awesome chardonnay right now...which I indulge in regularly...
let's see....I frequently indulge in ...a bit more dairy than I am allotted, but almost always goat or sheep. I never eat grain....I had an ice cream bar at a fair the other day....it had been months...or yrs...it did not bother me at all....(they are quite small)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:25am; Reply: 25
enjoy the game all you pity party goers!!!! ;D
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Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:00pm; Reply: 26
Quoted Text
MMMM...cereal.....the icy cold with the crunchy crunch.....the other day I was desperate for some type of cereal so I took plain soy milk, frozen blueberries, nuts and flaxseeds....made a good substitute....lol


making my own personal type snack might be the same as making my own saladdressing or my own Cajun spices... takes some figuring out while I sit in the corner for my pity party-- 10 minutes might accomplish all that .. what does your pity chair look like?? to me right now its like one of the boxes for funerals.. ha maybe I need to paint it red?

AND then let me please say I am sorryyyyy and send you a hug..: I miss someone who would be with me and cooks his or her own compliant meal and supports me in my compliancy.. now that would be a treat that would make me smile again.. 10 minutes of self pity, then back to a glass of cocoa powder in hot water.  I wonder -- should it be brewed through a filter as would be coffee leaving the 'powder' in the sieve instead inside of ME drinking it?  I wonder what happens to all that fine grid inside me.. ?   :-/

..  

    
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:33pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Ribbit
Aw, come on.  You know you want to come.  

So what's one or two foods you'd really like to nibble on that you've deprived yourself of for months or years?

I had some black pepper tonight.  It was delicious.  Now I'm ready to quit it again.

HONESTLY--and I really do mean this--there is NOTHING that I feel deprived of or really miss, and so much that I enjoy and delight in on the GTD.  It is getting back to the time of year now in Florida during which I can live on colorful, fresh CHI, CHI, CHI in fresh salads of romaine and tomato or grapes, and fruits like mangoes (had the best mangoes of my LIFE last week), watermelon (it's back, it's back!!!  And once the organic ones get good--right now I'm eating the non--I will be LIVING ON IT all summer, if it is anything like as fabulous as last year's crop) and pineapple.  I picked some fresh basil, "sweet mint" (I think it is spearmint) and parsley from my new little container herb garden for my salad night before last--yum!

That said, I am not 100% compliant, and I think that is one of my secrets for how to sustain this or any diet for a lifetime:  find out what the IMPORTANT things are for you to be compliant on, and then don't sweat the small stuff.  For example, I am really in a phase right now of putting a homemade yogurt dressing or sauce on everything.  Okay--wait, bad example, as I've been meaning to post that I'm not sure if yogurt is an avoid or a superfood for my Gatherer type, as the book is confusing on that, so let's take another example:  MAYO!  Wait--bad example again, as homemade mayo could be a superfood.  Well, yogurt and mayo are basically the only avoids I ingest on a regular basis, so I am highly compliant and I am 100% compliant on the huge things for me, such as:  wheat and wheat products (I never eat them), corn and corn products (ditto), coffee (ditto), and any and all "junk" ingredients, which, believe me, lets out a lot of food in our society.  I read labels meticulously and I simply won't eat cr*p, period.  The only exception is when my sister and her fam are here in July, which is my most challenging time of the year, "food sobriety"-wise, as ALL we do is eat out at HIDEOUS restaurants the ENTIRE time they are here, morning, noon and night.  It is a surreal series of bad corn syrup dispenseries, I cannot emphasize that enough.  Even then, I do my d*mndest to completely avoid wheat and corn.  But at restaurants, there is NO WAY to avoid junky wheaty corny INFUSION.  ANYWAY:  usually, I am the picture of strict compliance on the big things, and I do choose superfoods over neutrals and both over avoids, but I do eat yogurt and I do eat mayo (organic, non-GMO!), and I will sometimes eat black dots like chicken (okay, I eat a lot of chicken), etc.

So do I miss anything?  NO, as I really know and understand what wheat, for example, does to me, so why would I pine for that, ya know?  And there are so many satisfying alternatives, I don't need wheat, or any avoids, but if you are going to FORCE me to this party, let me think...alright, got it:

Being a Maryland girl, I miss my crab, shrimp and lobster.  But I don't avoid it due to the BTD/GTD, even though they are avoids, as those ARE great examples of avoids I personally wouldn't worry about because I don't think they are big avoids for me.  I avoid them because of good old humankind poisoning the shrimp with chemical dispersant during the Gulf Oil Spill...and crab and lobster are too expensive anyway.   ;D

This party s*cks, I want my compliant GTD fare!  Waaaaaaaaaaah!  I want to go home!  :(

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:35pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I miss coconut more than anything else. I've been dairy-free for so long that it's second nature to me, even if it's something I keep stopping and starting. I don't really miss milk at all. But I've used coconut milk as a creamer for so long- that rich, creamy flavor and mouth feel- yum!

Okay, see, now coconut is an avoid I eat shamelessly.  If I'm at a Thai restaurant (my fave, tied with Chinese), I WILL get some sort of curry containing coconut milk and don't even try to stop me.

'Cause that's how this rebel rolls.   ;) 8)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from grey rabbit
Potato chips with sour cream and onion dip!

Aaah, well, now you've gone and done it.  You've hit upon my drug of choice.  However, I must really be a "recovering addict" because, once any addict regains their biochemical balance and is steady, centered and healthy again, the drug doesn't have the same power or pull for them as it used to.  And such is the case with me and chips and dip right now.  I say "right now", because like any addict in recovery, I'm not and never will be "cured", I'm rather "in recovery".  There's a difference.  Staying humble is key, I strongly believe.  So I'll just say again that right now, I'm in a strong place of balance, courtesy of the GTD, and I can stare down a bowl of chips and it's gorgeous sidekick, sour cream dip, like nobody's business.  In the immortal words of Sawyer on LOST:  "Come on, bring it!"

I'd rather have my romaine salad with red grapes (those are an avoid, btw, but see, there are avoids and then there are AVOIDS, as I see it...grapes are just an avoid) and creamy yogurt dressing.  And, if you are going to be picky about it, I'll have it with red grape tomatoes (superfood!) instead of the grapes.  But I will have my yogurt dressing, okay?

BTW, tonight, I'm going to have a romaine salad with fresh MANGO and spiced ground lamb and, yes, the yogurt dressing.  'Cause that's how I roll.  8)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:45pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from EquiPro
this thread is food porn...the "penthouse letters" version!

LoL!
(funny)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:46pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from EquiPro
The "A"s want fat.  The "O"s want STARCH/ sugar!

Dude, just have some brown basmati rice and call me in the morning.  It'll be all right.  No need to ever feel deprived on the right diet for your type!

btw, CONGRATS and kudos on your 23 lb loss--fantabulous!

Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 2:01pm; Reply: 32
I do miss my red wine.
Posted by: EquiPro, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 2:20pm; Reply: 33
I'm with you, Pep.  The longer I eat according to the GTD, the less this sort of thread interests me.  I'm not 100% compliant yet - aiming for it though - but am between 80-90% on any given day, and, frankly, there's nothing that I really miss.

I find, rather, than when I'm stuck in avoid world, as I was on Sunday (long story - daughter performance, stuck down at the venue and absolutely nothing compliant anywhere to be found), I long for the food that makes me feel good and satisfied.  I ate some of what was around, but it made me feel crappy, and I'm losing my desire for it.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 2:41pm; Reply: 34
PT, I don't know if sour cream if ok for you, but it also makes a good based for dressing.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:11pm; Reply: 35
Pmia ::)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:20pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from 10809
Ice cream.


I stopped missing dairy ice cream when I tried the "So Delicous" brand of coconut milk ice cream. The ingredients on one of them is something like "coconut milk, agave" and maybe a 3rd ingredient.

I had that in mind as well when I said I missed coconut.

For my next birthday, assuming I'm feeling  good, I want to  buy a pint of that ice cream again as a special treat. It will be my only avoid for my birthday. Then I'll see how I do on it- if it makes me sick, then I won't have it again. If I feel good on it, I'll make it a regular treat.

But right now, I'm not feeling good, and I need to be 100% compliant for a while before I do any experimenting.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:38pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from EquiPro
I'm with you, Pep.  The longer I eat according to the GTD, the less this sort of thread interests me.  I'm not 100% compliant yet - aiming for it though - but am between 80-90% on any given day, and, frankly, there's nothing that I really miss.

I find, rather, than when I'm stuck in avoid world, as I was on Sunday (long story - daughter performance, stuck down at the venue and absolutely nothing compliant anywhere to be found), I long for the food that makes me feel good and satisfied.

Good God almighty, so do I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  My sister, bro-in-law, and 2 'phews are coming from June 30 through July 10 and I'm already DREADING, dreading, dreading it.  A big part of that dread is due to the RESTAURANT situation, namely, that all we do for the entire length of their stay is drag PT from one restaurant to another as some sort of cruel, HORRIBLE hazing ritual to get into a fraternity I don't want to belong to!!!!!  Let me out, let me out, back to my pure, organic, chi-laden, biochemically balancing, delicious, nutritious, wheat-free, corn-free, junk-free GTD fare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jane, stop this crazy thing!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:43pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from TJ
PT, I don't know if sour cream if ok for you, but it also makes a good based for dressing.

I LOVE sour cream, but I'm not supposed to have it.  The yogurt dressing I made, also containing some avoids, is healthier because it isn't as high in fat, it has probiotics, and it has olive oil, sea salt, garlic and oregano, which are superfoods for me.

I don't try for perfection but I try to do the best I can.  So, yogurt dressing, yes.  Sour cream, no...though not a "hard no".  I mean, IF a situation presented itself in which I felt like having sour cream at a restaurant or social sitch, I might, versus if a sitch presented itself where wheat, corn or junk were the only option, I would still try like H*LL to avoid it, even opting to skip a meal sometimes (me out with my sister and her fam at certain restaurants:  "I'll just have a huge vat of iced tea with a just-as-huge vat of lemon slices, please.").

I wish I hadn't learned on the news recently that a whopping 74% of lemon slices in restaurants contain fecal e-coli bacteria on them.

Howie Mandel, OUT!   :o
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:45pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from ruthiegirl


I stopped missing dairy ice cream when I tried the "So Delicous" brand of coconut milk ice cream. The ingredients on one of them is something like "coconut milk, agave" and maybe a 3rd ingredient.

I had that in mind as well when I said I missed coconut.

For my next birthday, assuming I'm feeling  good, I want to  buy a pint of that ice cream again as a special treat. It will be my only avoid for my birthday. Then I'll see how I do on it- if it makes me sick, then I won't have it again. If I feel good on it, I'll make it a regular treat.

But right now, I'm not feeling good, and I need to be 100% compliant for a while before I do any experimenting.

Smart.  Me approves.  *thumbs up*   8)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:56pm; Reply: 40
Rather than dragging your butts to restaurants, would your family be willing to do some take-out? This way they can  eat their restaurant c**p, while you get to eat healthy home-cooked meals?

I personally wouldn't put up with not eating well for an entire month because of houseguests. Can't you at least eat breakfast at home before drinking green tea while they eat pancakes at a restaurant? Can they go out to eat without you sometimes? Could they eat junk cereal at your kitchen table for breakfast while you eat a homecooked breakfast some days?
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:16pm; Reply: 41
I'm thinking about your 10 days of restaurants, PT and I'm wondering if you'd be better off seeing
this as a test of your strength and flexibility.  You've been through a lot lately and survived extremely well...
nothing really got the best of you and despite all these ridiculous health issues, you did come
through all of it like a superstar.  All of your tests were initially filled with anxiety..but perhaps this time, you don't go that way.... Perhaps you just approach this as the glass is half full....You will still have choices in restaurants.  As someone who can eat beef/steak, perhaps steak houses or steak and seafood houses so you can have some compliant fish........salads...Most restaurants will serve you compliant vegetables, broccoli for example with some olive oil....OK, not organic. But I eat out fairly often and the food isn't organic, but still it's compliant.   What do you think Dr. D does when he eats out?   I'm sure he enjoys himself.

Perhaps, look at it this way.  Isn't there something good about having flexibility in all situations? Taking a little obstacle and finding some creative way to overcome it?

If I were you, I'd start thinking about the solution....not the problem.

Maybe some meals at home, some dinners out...or eat less out and come home and fill in
what you can from your kitchen.

You're a woman who lost 85 pounds.  Don't you see yourself as a very strong, capable woman who can do just about anything?   Why dread a restaurant?  You've overcome bigger, scarier things than a restaurant!

You can do this~ :)
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:20pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Sour cream, no...though not a "hard no".

I like the way you put this.  I have some things I "don't eat" but will make exceptions for from time to time (soft no's), and others I don't EVER want to eat in any situation short of starvation (hard no's).
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:23pm; Reply: 43
The restaurant situation is tricky.  There's something about eating together that strengthens ties.  More than any food, I miss just sitting down together with family and friends, eating without worrying about what I'm eating, and just enjoying the company. :'(

Ps: All this talk of coconut has me wanting an Almond Joy.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:52pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from TJ
I like the way you put this.  I have some things I "don't eat" but will make exceptions for from time to time (soft no's), and others I don't EVER want to eat in any situation short of starvation (hard no's).

:D

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 7:12pm; Reply: 45
Chloe and Ruthiegirl, I've tried for years to explain the family dynamics of my relationship with my sister to people and I've found that it can't be done.  I can't even explain it to myself.  I've gone to therapy about it, I've banged my head against the wall over it for years, I've tried this approach and that approach, and the bottom line is:  I'm a TOTAL doormat around my (younger, mind you) sister.  I could bore you with a lot of reasons why this is, but that is the bottom line.

I was thinking the other day that this upcoming visit will be their THIRD since I started the GTD in Nov (the day after Thanksgiving) 2008, as they come every summer.  So, I've survived two of their "onslaughts" since GTDing without it undoing my "food sobriety".  This was not the case on the BTD, but I seem to be far stronger and further along in my aforementioned food sobriety now (I made up that term years back but I think it was already in existence/use by folks in Overeaters Anonymous, not that I've ever been to an OA meeting...I love the term, though, as it really fits, imho).  While my sister still throws me off my game in every other way, I seem to have all the tools and tricks to hold steady on my diet now, even when they are submersing me in a big vat of corn syrup and wheat lectins, a.k.a., the American restaurant scene (particularly in central FL!).

During their last visit, I came home and cried my eyes out every evening (poor Brighid45 got the brunt of a lot of that via hysterical phone calls from moi) and, often, at work the next morning, if the next morning was a work day.  She is the most passive-aggressive, controlling person I can't describe, but I wish I could.  ANYWAY, so this time, I'm going to employ "The Kay Method".  My dear co-worker, Kay, upon picking the shattered pieces of me up off the floor one too many mornings during last year's visit, said, Edna:  "you have to just let everything she says roll right off your shoulders.  Physically flick your shoulder like you are flicking something off, she won't notice."  Mind you, it isn't like EVERYONE in my life hasn't ALWAYS told me that I'm too sensitive about EVERYTHING, and I need to let things roll off my shoulders, and I need, as my mom says, to grow "a thicker skin" (how does one do that, pray tell, don't you just have the density skin you are born with?  INFJ ALERT!), but somehow what Kay said got through re my sister especially, as I really think that form of "detachment" is my best option at this point, short of total estrangement, which is just too sad.

Anyway, trust me, I do try to beg off meals, especially if they are "just going to hang" around the pool or something, so we aren't GOING anywhere, then it is like, oh, you are all going to brunch?  Well, why don't I meet you are your condo AFTER that, as I already ate, darn the luck.  But even with all my brilliant strategizing and even on those visits where, mercifully, their time here only falls on one full weekend (this year I have TWO full weekends AND the 4th of July on a weekday), and when they are staying at my mom's cousin Ginny's house, which usually means at least one meal where we grill out there (yay! I bring my own stuff for anyone who wants it, like salad and bison--only not bison anymore since it got recalled and I went off it, but I digress), I always end up being dragged to a minimum of five billion RESTAURANTS until just the brink of madness...or BEYOND.  The year (2004 or 5) they were here for 21 straight days is when I did go mad.  Gained all the weight I'd lost back, starting from that point--second time I did that on the BTD, if I recall.  That WON'T happen again.  Will NOT.  I have never lost this much weight before, and I don't plan to gain it back, let the record show.  I can't afford to, and I don't plan to, and I feel STRONG in my GTD balance.  Yeah!

I mean, I can't ever be SURE of that, but I feel pretty confident, as I do have the tools I need now, finally.  I will be challenged and I may even slip and slide and bruise my dietary knees, but I'll get right back up again, I predict.  I survived 2009 and 10's visits with my food sobriety intact, so again (second time today!) I must quote Sawyer from LOST:  come on, bring it!

No worries.  "The Kay Method" is on board!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 7:48pm; Reply: 46
I'd like to be able to eat shrimp and lobster without vomiting...  :X  Since I've been on the BTD, my avoids are really being avoids.. crikey... :-/  I mean lobster was my favorite food..My mom used to make it for dinner for me on my birthday... :(   I used to like shrimp too...stopped both when I went on the BTD.. then...
a couple of years later, I tried to eat them.. occassionally.. and OMG... I got incredibly ill from both crustaceans!!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 7:53pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from 10809
I do miss my red wine.


Red wine is a  beneficial for A's... isn't it?   :-/ ??)   Well it's a super beneficial on my SWAMI
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 8:48pm; Reply: 48
I laughed pretty good with this thread.  

I could write a book about all the foods I love that don't eat.

Just a few to tempt a few of you that I don't think were mentioned:


Gyro's, slathered with that white sauce, raw onions and that nice thick pita it comes in.  With some good fries on the side.

A Hardee's frisco Burger.  That deliciously tangy bread and cheese on top of that mystery meat and whatever else goodness there is in there.

Cheesecake.  I could go on for years about all the sweets I miss though.  French silk pie.  Ohhhh.  Peanut butter cups.

Oh YEAH!!! Bagels and locks. Oh man, that cream cheese and red onions on that deep fried bagel with that smoked piece of awesomeness.  With those capers on it.  That is just awesome.  I think that's gotta be the one I miss the most.  

Waffle house waffles. Pancakes.  Bacon is not that high on my list.  It's good though.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 10:31pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from 815


Red wine is a  beneficial for A's... isn't it?   :-/ ??)   Well it's a super beneficial on my SWAMI


It's an AVOID for a recovering alcoholic.
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 2:23am; Reply: 50
Quoted from 815


Red wine is a  beneficial for A's... isn't it?   :-/ ??)   Well it's a super beneficial on my SWAMI


I rebelled against alcohol. I quit completely.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, May 5, 2011, 3:26am; Reply: 51
alcohol for some indeed is AVOID ..yes indeed it has ruined some perfectly good lives.  For all who gave up this or other specifics CONGRATULATIONS..

I ate something at 5pm today.. quinoa and loads of parmesan and I woke up at 10 pm moaning in all over body pain.. I don't think it was the parm.. but rather the quinoa even though I can have it.. but I think it does not agree with me.. I was in tooo much pain for on hour.. not worth it.. and if it is the parmesan then so be this the end of that..

some things we learn will just not be good.. I have some and nothing will make it ever ok to try again.. better I stay sober of both the quinoa and the cheese.  Just not worth it. Sober is the way to feel good.. on the wagon and fully understanding the need to stay that way.

one is to many and a thousand not enough!!!!!!!      
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, May 5, 2011, 5:12pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from ruthiegirl


It's an AVOID for a recovering alcoholic.


OOOHHHH..... ooooo...ps...  :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, May 15, 2011, 12:01pm; Reply: 53
Something was said back on page 1 about black pepper and edema.  Every so often, without reason, my feet will be puffy when I first wake up in the morning.  I roll out of bed and I have to step gently for a few minutes because it's like the bottoms of my feet are swollen.  I never could tie it with a food.....but I wonder if it's something as simple as black pepper.  :-/
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, May 15, 2011, 4:14pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from Ribbit
Something was said back on page 1 about black pepper and edema.  Every so often, without reason, my feet will be puffy when I first wake up in the morning.  I roll out of bed and I have to step gently for a few minutes because it's like the bottoms of my feet are swollen.  I never could tie it with a food.....but I wonder if it's something as simple as black pepper.  :-/


Ribbit, don't you do the cooking in your house?  How would black pepper creep into your food?




Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, May 15, 2011, 6:40pm; Reply: 55
Pizza & red wine.  I've had those 2 frequently as a "cheat" meal ok only really once a week the past 2-3 years.  Tiring out on both, finally!
Posted by: JJR, Monday, May 16, 2011, 3:54pm; Reply: 56
I loved pizza cold the next day from the box.  That was really how I liked it the best.  I liked it fresh too, but I think it's better cold the next day.  With a beer.  :)
Posted by: Drea, Monday, May 16, 2011, 5:21pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from JJR
I loved pizza cold the next day from the box.  That was really how I liked it the best.  I liked it fresh too, but I think it's better cold the next day.  With a beer.  :)


Yum. ;D
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, May 16, 2011, 8:18pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from Chloe


Ribbit, don't you do the cooking in your house?  How would black pepper creep into your food?






Oh, it doesn't creep.  I put it there deliberately.  Every so often.  Because I like it.

I like it when my food bites me.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 16, 2011, 8:21pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from Ribbit


Oh, it doesn't creep.  I put it there deliberately.  Every so often.  Because I like it.

I like it when my food bites me.


Aha....a toxin with teeth.... LOL

Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, May 16, 2011, 8:25pm; Reply: 60
(evil)
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 12:50am; Reply: 61
I crave it every once in a while.  Every time you watch a cooking show, they never leave it out.  It just has to be in there for some reason.  Why is that?  I mean, don't people get sick of that same flavor?  
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 1:11am; Reply: 62
I don't.  I love it.  I just leave it out now.  I mean, we really should do without black dots sprinkled all over our food..... ;)
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 2:27am; Reply: 63
I hope you're grinding your own.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 12:45pm; Reply: 64
Yes!  At least I do that.  I especially like the green peppercorns.  White next, and then black least of all.  But I only eat it occasionally.

I made some baked beans the other day (using the no-mato sauce as a base, except without the Italian seasonings) and I put dry mustard in it.  It was spicy and GOOD!
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 3:24pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Ribbit
I like it when my food bites me.


How does horseradish rate for you?  If good, you need to grow horseradish, dig the root, and use it...  It will bite!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 3:29pm; Reply: 66
But horseradish has its own distinct flavor, that doesn't work in all recipes, and that kids are likely to reject. Black pepper is a much more versatile taste- it just "oomphs up" whatever it is you're making, rather than adding its own flavor.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 6:44pm; Reply: 67
If memory serves, horseradish is fine, but I don't like it.  I eat wasabi once a year or so (the real stuff) and could really do without it.  My sister-in-law makes a cranberry horseradish relish every Thanksgiving and....everybody raves about it but me.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 8:19pm; Reply: 68
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1253321380/

http://www.tigersandstrawberries.com/2006/06/22/finding-substitutes-for-black-pepper/
Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 1:17am; Reply: 69
mmmmmmmmmm!.....real French croissants, baguette and boursin cheese, good cheese pizza, my families ravioli and my bruschetta with the fresh tomatoes and basil from my garden and extra sourdough bread.......mmmmmmmmm!  
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:02pm; Reply: 70
I've been in denial about all the fruit I'm eating.  Every morning my tongue is white!  Even the fermented veggies I've been eating aren't making it go away.

I'm trying to use up my fruit today and tomorrow so I can lay off the sugar the next day without wasting food.  I just bought a 3 lb. bag of organic apples, too. :'(  I've started dicing them up into tiny pieces, and I'm going to ferment them so they aren't wasted.  I'll let myself have them that way: hopefully the probiotics will cancel out the sugar, and those bacteria will eat up some of the sugar, too.  Any suggestions on good spices for fermented apples?  Cinnamon is a no-no, unfortunately.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:06pm; Reply: 71
ginger? cloves? nutmeg? allspice?
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 72
I have nutmeg and ginger.  Those are good ideas!
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 4:43pm; Reply: 73
Did you ferment fruit?????????  

Fermenting fruit can turn into alcohol and it can make yeast worse when eating it.  You should be careful about that.  I suppose if you used granny smith apples it might not be that bad.  I don't know.  The only time I've done it is I put a small amount of crushed up raspberries in a jar with smashed up cabbage.  It didn't seem fermented, so I guess if the sugars in the fruit, maybe the fructose, aren't too high, it might be OK.  But regular apples seem to have a lot of sugar.  They make Apple "Cider" or alcoholic beverages out of apples in Europe.  So, be careful.  

You'll get your gut under control.  At least you know what's going on.  When I had all those antibiotics back in the day, I had no clue why my tongue was white.  Then, I was eating ice cream daily also to try and put weight back on.  DOH!!!!!  Slathered with peanut butter.  Those were the days.  Hehhehehehe
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 5:12pm; Reply: 74
Yep, I'm fermenting apples with some ginger root (thanks again for the idea Ruthie!)  This is a bacterial ferment.  Bacteria don't produce alcohol, just lactic acid.  To get alcohol, you have to use yeast.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 8:33pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from TJ
Yep, I'm fermenting apples with some ginger root (thanks again for the idea Ruthie!)  This is a bacterial ferment.  Bacteria don't produce alcohol, just lactic acid.  To get alcohol, you have to use yeast.


Can you please share how you do this, TJ.. When I culture  vegetables, I squish them with my hands until they release water. I only add sea salt, then pack into a jar...but when fermenting fruit, what's the specific process you follow? I've never fermented fruit.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 10:10pm; Reply: 76
Hmmmm...  

I've been told that it's the sugars in the fruits that can ferment into alcohol, if there is enough of it.  Yeast is one way of doing it.  The bacteria in the culturing process will eat up the sugars.  But I think there might be a point that there is too much sugar to be eaten up by the bacteria.  You could be right.  I'll see if I can come up with something more conclusive to show you.  Because now that you are challenging me, I'm not completely certain.  It's what I was told by the Gal at my Doctors office who has a pretty good handle on the cultured food art.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, May 20, 2011, 2:35am; Reply: 77
But yeast is everywhere--in the air of our houses.  It's how you make sourdough without starter. :-/  I've done it several times before with spelt and I've caught good yeasts and I've caught bad yeasts.
Posted by: TJ, Friday, May 20, 2011, 5:55pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from Chloe
Can you please share how you do this, TJ.. When I culture  vegetables, I squish them with my hands until they release water. I only add sea salt, then pack into a jar...but when fermenting fruit, what's the specific process you follow? I've never fermented fruit.
I'm doing it pretty much the same way.  I chopped up the ginger and put it in the blender with the salt and a 1/4 c. of water.  I chopped up 4 apples into tiny pieces.  It filled most of a 1 qt. container.  I used a potato masher to squeeze out more juice, and I put a paper towel on top to catch any molds that might fall out of the air, and to keep the top layer of fruit wet.

Quoted from JJR
I've been told that it's the sugars in the fruits that can ferment into alcohol, if there is enough of it.  Yeast is one way of doing it.  The bacteria in the culturing process will eat up the sugars.  But I think there might be a point that there is too much sugar to be eaten up by the bacteria.  You could be right.  I'll see if I can come up with something more conclusive to show you.  Because now that you are challenging me, I'm not completely certain.  It's what I was told by the Gal at my Doctors office who has a pretty good handle on the cultured food art.
From what I read, keeping the food submerged in brine prevents the yeast or bad bacteria from surviving in the mixture.  I could be wrong, but that's what I read regarding fermentation.  If the fermented apples give me a hangover, then I'll know better than to try that again!
Posted by: TJ, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:13pm; Reply: 79
Hmmm, I just found this:
BASIC PRINCIPLES OF FERMENTATION

It says molds are aerobic, meaning they need air/oxygen.  Therefore, submersion in brine prevents mold growth.  However, yeasts can survive and thrive in anaerobic conditions (which is why they can create alcohol out of juice).

The article mentions Saccharomyces cerevisiae (baker's yeast) as a beneficial yeast.  This yeast is also found in Polyflora-B, which is what I used in my starter.  I think I actually added a capsule to the apples, also.  Perhaps I should find myself a probiotic that doesn't contain yeast!

It was interesting to note that, according to the wikipedia article on baker's yeast, "Antibodies against S. cerevisiae are found in 60–70% of patients with Crohn's disease and 10–15% of patients with ulcerative colitis."  Perhaps that could be generalized to anyone with leaky gut or other digestive problems.

I will have to be careful to only eat small amounts of the fermented apples at a time, and I'm certainly not going to ferment anymore fruit until I've gotten a yeast-free probiotic. :-/
Posted by: brinyskysail, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:20pm; Reply: 80
If you're trying to get rid of S. albicans, you shouldn't be consuming S. cerevisiae :-/
Posted by: TJ, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 81
Absolutely.
Posted by: Melisa, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 2:44am; Reply: 82
Hmmm...funny thing is, I feel better when I follow the diet. The most difficult is eating at friend's homes - I live in California - everyone is "healthy" - and they have whole wheat everything! Such a disaster. And soy. Another one.

Perhaps I miss peanut butter and grape jelly on whole wheat the most. And avocado sandwiches. Funny though, when I think about how it makes me feel (not sick, just foggy and out of it,) I am glad it is out. Chicken is a tough one because it is everywhere - goodness gracious. I do not miss it - never really took a liking to it - makes me sluggish.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 3:15am; Reply: 83
Quoted from brinyskysail
If you're trying to get rid of S. albicans, you shouldn't be consuming S. cerevisiae :-/

This is not true.  Yeast does not feed on another yeast, it competes with it for food...  If you are attempting to reduce one yeast population, providing a beneficial yeast to compete with it is one of the best strategies...  

You repopulate the gut with the beneficial yeast by continually replenishing it while it is competing with the undesired one for food, so some of the undesired one is continually dying - as long as you keep the food source amount constant.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 3:23am; Reply: 84
Quoted from ABJoe

This is not true.  Yeast does not feed on another yeast, it competes with it for food...  If you are attempting to reduce one yeast population, providing a beneficial yeast to compete with it is one of the best strategies...  

You repopulate the gut with the beneficial yeast by continually replenishing it while it is competing with the undesired one for food, so some of the undesired one is continually dying - as long as you keep the food source amount constant.


In the GTD book (I think it was that one) Dr. D did suggest that removing baker's yeast from the diet of a type A who has candida could be detrimental.  He only mentioned type A, and everything else I've ever read or heard says to cut yeast out of the diet - of course, though, a lot of untrue c**p tends to become accepted as truth so I'd be open to hearing other ideas
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 4:14am; Reply: 85
Pity party.....try having an intolerance to bakers and brewers yeast and being gluten intolerant.
I can find gluten free products..but they have yeast. I can find yeast free bread ( Pacific bakery)but it has gluten. The only yeast and gluten free bread I tried was dry, heavy, crumbly and tasteless. :P So, no bread for me. :'(
Its ok because I eat brown rice, quinoa, and Marys gone crackers ( seeds).....they are all good. :)
I do take polyflora for A's, though.... ;)  
Posted by: brinyskysail, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 4:18am; Reply: 86
Quoted from cajun
Pity party.....try having an intolerance to bakers and brewers yeast and being gluten intolerant.
I can find gluten free products..but they have yeast. I can find yeast free bread ( Pacific bakery)but it has gluten. The only yeast and gluten free bread I tried was dry, heavy, crumbly and tasteless. :P So, no bread for me. :'(
Its ok because I eat brown rice, quinoa, and Marys gone crackers ( seeds).....they are all good. :)
I do take polyflora for A's, though.... ;)  


I've had a bakers/brewers yeast intolerance for 8 years too and can't have wheat.  I never tested positive for celiac, but I just gave up all grains, and it's definitely helping so something's going on.  

Maybe we're just too cool for bread ;)
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 8:00pm; Reply: 87
I am so over sandwiches. ;D
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 8:19pm; Reply: 88
I haven't had a piece of bread in over 3 years.  However, I think I'm going to start.  I have had spelt cake that is sweetened with honey though.  And I just made spelt / buttermilk biscuits.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 8:22pm; Reply: 89
Quoted from TJ
I am so over sandwiches. ;D


I eat hero salads instead of hero subs ;)
Posted by: Patty H, Sunday, May 22, 2011, 10:50pm; Reply: 90

I'm SO glad someone finally mentioned BEER!!!  I absolutely love good, micro brew beer.  If the only choice is a Bud, I'll drink water, thank you, but I love beer, particularly heferweizen, which of course, is WHEAT beer.

I just got back from vacation, and my rule is that I do not DIET on vacation.  Unlike many of you, I am not doing the GTD because I have stomach issues with food.  When I go on vacation, I CHEAT with a capital C!  At home, I am close to 100% compliant, except usually every other Sunday, I have ice cream.

Here is what I cheated on while on vacation:

Wheat BEER
coffee
ice cream
french fries
cheeseburger with the bun and cheese and bacon
one day I had BREAD
tortilla's - I was in Arizona, after all
cheese
dessert
Bloody Mary's with vodka
potato chips
popcorn

I am sure I am missing some things.  I gained three pounds on vacation, but I should be able to take it off within two weeks or less, so it was worth it!

Red wine is a geno harmonic food for me with just about everything, so I can still have red wine, but I do miss white wine.  Although I drank vodka in the bloody mary's, I really do not drink booze.  Just wine (and BEER  :'()

I am lucky I like the food on my diet, which helps me to stay compliant when not on vacation or when it is not a designated cheat day!  Staying 100% compliant when I am home is not a problem for me.  It's the exercise I dread, but am doing regularly now.

Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 12:32am; Reply: 91
I do find myself missing corn chips!!!  Bad, good, blue, yellow.  Whatever.  I love them.  And yeah, I love beer.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 2:03am; Reply: 92
I was compliant on wheat till 2008.  Last 3 years I've eaten pizza once a week.  It just occurred to me I was sick all fall.... I had a virus on Christmas day even.  So much for the pizza thing.  I've even developed joint pains.  Have been on & off cultured dairy last several years also.  *sigh*   The headaches, fatigue & bloating are driving me crazy so I'm back on the diet more strictly.  Gosh, the things you might start to believe if you get away  from blood type.  It's kind of dangerous really.
Posted by: cajun, Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 12:27am; Reply: 93
Brinyskysail,
I didn't test positive for celiac either but I know that I cannot do wheat. :P
I do eat old fashioned oats, quinoa, buckwheat and brown rice with no problem, though.
How do you "fill up"? What is a typical days menu for you?
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, June 3, 2011, 2:58am; Reply: 94
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1224

I've been eating these crackers a lot lately.  The children love them.  They're very savory and would work well as a flat bread for a sandwich if you still feel the need for one (I cracked up when I read TJ's comment about being SO over sandwiches).  Sometimes, though, you just need a little somethin'.  And these crackers are really good.

The other day I tried them as a dessert.  I left the cheese out and instead of all the recommended seasonings, I used cinnamon and about 1 Tbsp. of honey.  After they baked, I drizzled on some more honey and sprinkled on some more cinnamon.  Perfect snack or dessert!
Posted by: JJR, Friday, June 3, 2011, 4:00pm; Reply: 95
I wonder if you could throw some pesto and cheese on it and turn it into a pizza?  With some veggies and whatever.  I haven't had pizza in like forever.  I think I mentioned earlier I liked it cold, the next day.  Mmmmmmmmmm...
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, June 12, 2011, 1:58pm; Reply: 96
I guess you could, but this is really a flat, crisp cracker.  If you want pizza, I'd use spelt.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, June 12, 2011, 3:20pm; Reply: 97
A month off wheat & I am doing much better, my hand tremor went away completely.  I had a few skinny days to rejoice then decided I'd replace sprouted bread with grains.  Wrong.  I can't stand the tiny pooch I get from any amount of grains, not sure what to do.  I'm healing my metabolism or I thought I was but putting this diet together...ugh and I have years of experience too.  I'm starting to wonder what the point is of trying to lose more body fat, shouldn't I just try to enjoy life?  Aren't I already skinny?  At least I'm not craving junk.  So bored.
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